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  1. Nice walkback, but... "...unless you can change the way you think/work." And the clear statement about "if you were just a bit more imaginative..." What was said that if EN doesn't work for you, then you need to change the way you think/work, or be "more imaginative."
  2. This is just what annoys me about these forums... It's never that the software really can't solve everyone's problem, or that some new features would make it much better, it's that those people like me are too stupid, or not imaginative enough, to figure out how to adapt their lives and thinking to the way the software works. Seems like I've heard this before... Oh, yes, some thread about links seems to have gone down this same path. Now, for some reason, links are being touted as the best thing since sliced bread --when just a year ago, they weren't needed, as long as you could be more imaginative, and adapt your thinking to the way the software works. The point of software is to gain features to work the way users want, not for me to adapt my life to the way it works. Tags might provide grouping, but they can never provide order and context. Don't confuse the ability to search with the ability to find information quickly, and don't confuse grouping with structure. Both are just subsets of the concepts, not total instantiations of them. Russ
  3. I've been trying Evernote for years, from time to time. I have friends who tell me how good it is, some new feature that just came out, so I go try it, and then (always) go back to OneNote. Why? In a single word --hierarchy. I know we live in a world of unstructured information, and rely on search to find what we're looking for. But I think that misses a lot of things. First, it's great that you can search, but what do you do when you've done searching? Suppose I'm trying to put together an outline for a paper I'm writing. With ON, I have enough hierarchy that I can build the outline in real time using research notes I've collected. I can move things around, put in many levels, flatten things, etc. Same thing when writing a book --I can go take copious notes, then organize them within the software to mimic the outline of the book. Even when writing fiction --I can write snippets, or scenes, then move them around as the pieces develop. You simply can't do that in Evernote. Imagine reading a book with random sentences that have been tagged with the order in which they were intended to be read. All the sentences are in a single file, but they've been metatagged with some obtuse system to show the order in which they were designed to be read. You can search through the file, but you can't actually move the sentences around so they're in order. It would be maddening. The second point is that Evernote doesn't encourage browsing. Again, I know, the modern world wants the search, not the browse. Yes, browsing takes too long, and requires actual processing of information as you read. You can't just reach out and find the quote that supports your point of view, and "you're done." Structure promotes the idea of context, but searching destroys it. This might all be a bit metaphysical, but I would rather the world didn't go down this "search for everything path." If you don't learn how to structure data, you're going to be a mess when it comes to real work. And yet, almost none of the tools we use on computers encourage, or even support, any real structure within which you can browse for information. Now, on some of the other points... ON does allow you to work on your notes from any machine with a web browser. There is now an apple app, I suppose --though I don't have an iPhone, nor do I use an iPad (I do use a mac laptop). I can modify any notes I want to put up on the 'web through the 'web interface. I lose some functions, but I've found I can live with those restrictions. So ON isn't cross platform, but it's enough to get by --and the ability to structure information is something I just can't live without. Hence, no switching to Evernote for me, for now. Oh --I am glad to see Evernote get linking. I actually think EN's linking is better than ON's now. That was what prompted me to go look at it again, to see if I could switch to get the cross platform capabilities EN has --linking is a critical function. Just thought of something, so I'll stick in here randomly through an edit --I don't think you need full capabilities in terms of linking and deep hierarchy on every platform. ON only supports deep hierarchy on the PC and web app, not on the Win 7 app, for instance. I won't be working on books on a smart phone, so there's no point. I do collect information on the smartphone, and then pull it into deeper organizations. Part of the problem with the crossplatform support here might be that EN wants to look the same on everything --I've seen this mentioned in several places, in fact. Looking the same is nice, but when you do that, you end up restricting to the lowest common denominator --which is why EN is effectively seen as a todo list application, rather than a serious information organizing tool. Russ
  4. On the service --in other words, things that have been synch'd. But if you keep notes on a single machine, and never synch them, they won't have a unique identifier. Identifiers of notes on multiple machines would/could overlap. Hence the need to munge the unique identifier per note with something that's unique per machine. It's unique enough that when two machines show up with the same MAC address it kicks off a thread on NANOG about why. There were network protocols, like CLNS, that somewhat required you to manage your EUI64 addresses manually, but they're all pretty much gone the way of a snow drift in NC in July. The instances now where there are duplicates are generally mistakes --and adding the local timestamp should resolve even those problems. It would be really, really unlikely to have two machines with an identical MAC address, identical times (even if synchronized, at least until TICTOC is really implemented in all devices --which will never happen), and have a note saved on both machines at the very same moment in time. I suppose it's possible, but the odds seem pretty low in the real world. (I just edited to note that IPv6 pretty much counts on the EUI64 address being unique per machine. Mobile devices --smart phones, for instance-- do as well). BTW, if evernote did something like this, it would actually push it ahead on onenote on this front --the url's onenote uses are based on the physical location of the file. That's a nice easy thing to do, but it blows up when synching, or when just moving things around any at all. A unique id per note, globally, would be a much better idea. Russ
  5. Because it solves this problem: If you combine some unique number from the local machine with a unique number within the note program instance on a given machine, you have a globally unique number. In fact, if you want to be really fancy, you could: 1. Find the MAC address on this machine. This is globally unique anyway. 2. Take a timestamp at the time of the note's first save. It's pretty unlikely that the timestamps on two notes would precisely, to the millisecond, collide. 3. Combine the MAC address with the timestamp. This is almost certainly a globally unique number within the user's note space. Now this globally unique number could be embedded in a hidden field someplace or another. When you get a link for the note, what you really get is a link to the search engine (already available) with this number prefilled in. Something like this: evernote://search/xxxxxxxxxxxxx When you click on this link, it launches evernote (already done on most platforms), kicks over to the search, and enters the field noted. Although you can't see the field, it pops in the search --it's the only note with this number across all your installations, no matter where you synch it-- and you have your note on screen. I've read the other posts on how hard this is to do --and it all revolves around having unique numbers on multiple synchronizing machines. The timestamp+mac address is a really simple solution to that problem --almost guaranteed to be globally unique in time and logical space. You can gussy it up with some MD5 passes across a key randomly generated when the software is installed, or make it bigger by adding more machine variables (the operating system serial number, which should also be globally unique), but... The unique key isn't all that hard to solve --it's something we deal with in the networking world all the time. Russ
  6. I'm currently using OneNote --I would have switched to Evernote a long long time ago if this feature were available. The primary use I have for this is: http://thinkinginchrist.com/linking-to-logos-4/ But of course I could think of many others --any time you're doing research you really want the ability to link a note into a document. As you build the document, you link to the notes you used to support the specific section of the document you're working on. Of course, you take these notes out when you're finishing the document, but while writing it, this is such a useful thing to be able to do. I know the Evernote folks say this is really really hard to do, but given the search engine and the ability of the designer to add hidden fields, it just doesn't seem all that hard to me. It would be as as simple as finding a unique number on every machine the software runs on (the MAC address, perhaps? Most machines have some unique number on them someplace), and adding a unique semi-random number to a hidden filed in each note. The link would just be a link into the search engine so it searches on just this one hidden field... Don't understand why this one hasn't been done. Russ
  7. Perhaps I was just stating the facts to lend support for those who want this feature. But alas, again, I run into someone who thinks it's really cool to sit around in forums making fun of other people, presuming on their motives, etc. Whatever. If this is the way people are treated in these forums, then Evernote is definitely off my list of products to try. I'd prefer a product with support set on something other than snark and sarcasm. If you represent the company, I feel sorry for them. Russ
  8. Wow...there's a serious flaw in your logic, there. If I can do laundry manually, why can't Evernote do it automatically? If I can heat up my coffee in the microwave manually, why can't Evernote do it automatically? Polish my nails? Take out the trash? Anyway, if you read the thread, you will find the explanation. It's always odd that people think ___ (fill in the blank) should be easy to implement. So, I reread the thread... And I understand this impacts the way Evernote would synch. But is sarcasm a side dish in all your answers? Ever thought about being a little nice to folks who are thinking about buying the product/service? I suppose you wouldn't mind if you went to the grocery store, asked "where's the sugar," and the answer was, "didn't you walk all the aisles before asking? You don't look like you're out of breath to me!" I don't see why you couldn't have two UIDs, one local, and one that's synch'd, for instance? Is it _that_ hard to add a second one for use in local only notes? I would think it would be easy enough to link the two IDs if you do synch, in some way. You make it sound like there's no alternatives, and it's like moving a mountain to change what's there. Russ
  9. Okay--I almost bought Evernote, but then I ran across this thread... And now I realize it won't work for what I want, so there's no point in buying it. I use a software program called Logos to do Scripture study. What I really want is the ability to link from whatever resource I'm in back to a note in Evernote--IE, when I run into a specific spot, to be able to click on a link, and it pulls up Evernote and it brings me to the right note. To give an example that doesn't relate to Logos, say I'm reading through a Word doc I've read before. I've made notes to myself, but I can't remember where, etc. If I can't link from the doc back to my notes in Evernote, then it's just a mess to find them and track them along with the document text. Being forced to put some random number in each note, and then referencing that random number, is just a pain. If I can do it manually, why can't Evernote do it automatically? This is a killer for me--no point in buying it without this feature. Russ
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