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3 hours ago, delawaredave said:

So what have you found better than Evernote ?

For longer notes I'm using Google Docs, where I love the document outline feature, and for shorter (to-do type) stuff I'm using workflowy.  For Docs, I reduce the page margins to zero and in some cases change the page orientation to landscape to make it more suited to notes versus documents.

I looked at Microsoft Onenote and I really liked the functionality - it is the closest equivelent to evernote - but I found it to be too slow when used in the browser.  If I were a regular Office user then I probably would have gone with OneNote anyway but I'm not.

tl;dr better to bite the bullet and use a service like CloudHQ to move your notes to a better service - there are lots of great options now.

That is not a great solution, in my opinion.  Every extension you add to your browser is then always running and consuming resources - so to add an extension for just 1 site is a dubious proposition.  Particulary when it doesn't fully solve the problem - there is still enough delay to disrupt my flow.  I've also been surprised at how often an inocolous looking extension can cause wierd problems on other pages, ie. before reporting an issue with another site, make sure to disable all extensions and re-test.

I do use a few extensions, but I don't want to add another as a half-work-around for 1 site.

So I pursued a more drastic solution:  CloudHQ.

It allowed me to move everything to other services.

I've been with Evernote pretty much since the beginnning and I had my work and life in EN, so this was a big decision for me, but EN has changed, and making such an anti-user change as the one being discussed in this thread is a symptom of a deeper change.

Finding better alternatives to Evernote was easy (there are so many options now) but even with CloudHQ, moving all my notes, attachments, etc. was not easy.  Now that it's done though I've very happy with the new service and to have left EN behind.

I feel quite badly about all the people to whom I recommended EN in the early years, but it really was one of the best solutions back then and I guess change is inevitably... so users need to remain open to changing their choices and should avoid getting to stuck on any one solution service.

I hope you all find the solutions that are right for you.

There is no site comparable to EN, and I've now tried many of them, that does what EN now does, so I don't see how it is 'compliance'.  I think we've had this discussion before - the other site you are talking about is Facebook.  That is one other site, unrelated to EN, and a site with the lowest standards around for privacy.

The idea that "EN can't be held accountable" makes no sense to me.  EN was having financial difficulties amid flattening sub growth so they brough in a new CEO to wring more money from existing subs.  Soon after they increased their rates and made changes so users wouldn't know when they were going to be charged, changed their privacy policy, and added the change we are discussing.  

It's not an unusual situation, but it's bad news for long term users like us.

I'm part way thru moving my stuff from EN to a combination of G-Docs and Workflowy, and it's a lot of work!  (is there an a tool for converting an EN to a G-doc?)

Does anyone know anything about when this supposed major update to EN web will occur?  

Like others, I've got my fingers crossed that they will reverse this crazy change in that new version, at least for users' who are already paying so they shouldn't need to gather extra data about the links we click.

I apologize if I'm being rude, but I'm irked because EN is now doing some nasty stuff and people seem to be bending over backwards to defend them here.

And I felt that the connection with Facebook change is case in point.  The change being discussed here also happened at the time that EN changed their terms of service so they could mine user's data (that seemed to be the general interpretation of the media).  The possible connection with this is readily apparent and yet people seem very reluctant to connect those and that's the very same company.

10 minutes ago, gazumped said:

It might be preferred practice that not everyone has gotten around to yet.  Facebook has....

1 hour ago, JohnLongney said:

The 'you are leaving' message is considered standard practice right now.

Because of this issue I've been trying other note taking apps and not one of them does this, so I don't consider it standard practice.

5 hours ago, gazumped said:

I imagine this is one of those 'if it were easy they would have done it already' things,  hence the delay.

This has to be easy to fix.  I say that both as a developer and because it is a behavior that they added one day that appears to be independent of any other behaviors - so all they would have to do is back out those changes.

7 minutes ago, gazumped said:

If you downgrade to basic (forinstance) that will happen at the expiry of your current subscription. 

Ah, very useful info, thanks!   Now that I've paid for another year I was wary of down-grading ahead of time.

I've recently been experimenting with alternatives to EN because of the link warning issue and have found that a combination of workflowy and google docs works well for me.  None of the tools I've tried exhibit this obnoxious new behavior:  with all of them I just click a link and go straight to the link destination!

I'm very sad that EN has gone into this 'milk existing customers' mode - and it will take a lot of work for me to move away fully - but the way my account got renewed just re-confirms for me the need to move to something else.

Warning:  because of this issue I was not planning to renew my EN subscription - it just auto-renewed for a year.

You get no warning it is going to renew and there is nothing you can change or set in your account ahead of time, and they increased the amount by 1/3!

Make sure you put a warning in your calendar about this !

Thanks @kirob, I installed that and it seems to work fine.

There is still some delay though, and I do not consider this an ideal resolution to the problem - I prefer to keep my extensions to a minimum - so I will keep hoping that EN reverses this silliness.

It's pretty hard to understand why they would have made this change in the first place.

I wonder if it is related to the changes they made to their terms-of-service about a month ago - that they got in so much trouble for.

In other words, that this is about data mining their customers behaviour - making a record of which links we click on.

It's hard to see why else they would do something that so clearly reduces usability, has no other obvious utility, and wasn't necessary until around the time they changed their TOS.

@gazumped

Thanks, but I saw that and I'm pretty sure that that button just said 'followers 6' and didn't have the checkmark before I replied.  I clicked on it and it just showed me a list of who was following (I made sure I was signed in).  I looked closely and didn't see anything about or around that button that would allow me to follow before I had replied.

Once I replied I got quite a different set of options when I click that button - like in your screenshot.

On the other hand, I can see from your status that you know this system pretty well...

+1

(Sorry, but I couldn't figure out how to 'follow' this thread without replying to it.)