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  1. 1 hour ago, ChipAHoy said:

    Why does nothing show up when I search for "conflicting changes" in Evernote? I know that they are there somewhere, because changes I made on my mobile device sometimes do not show up on other devices with Evernote. I have seen notes (maybe even a notebook?) in the past with the name Conflicting Changes.

    See https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/209005237-How-does-sync-work-within-Evernote- : if Evernote has detected any conflicting changes, then they should appear in a special notebook. In the case you cite (you're not seeing changes from mobile that don't appear in a different Evernote application, that's not necessarily a conflicting change (which is a note being edited in two separate places); it could however be a bug.

     

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  2. 2 hours ago, fredhammersmith said:

    How is it possible to search within a notebook in the Android client? It seems there is no way to reduce the scope of the search, while you can easily do that in the web-based and Windows client.

    In the version I'm using, 8.12.4, I can select a notebook from the Notebooks list in the slideout panel, and that shows me all of the notes in that notebook. If I then tap on the Search magnifying glass, search terms entered there only apply to the scope of the current notebook, at least as far as I can tell. Does that not work for you?

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  3. 1 hour ago, kimaldis said:

    It's semantics, really.

    Seeing as now "semantics" means meaning, I usually think of semantics as actually being somewhat important.

    1 hour ago, kimaldis said:

    I've done a lot of work with hierarchies over the years, both as a user and as a developer; by definition a tree structure allows for non-unique node names because a node is not global, it occupies its own space and that's one of the big plusses of a tree.

    Huh -- I've done a lot of work with hierarchies over the years as a user and a developer, and there is no "by definition" with respect to node names in a tree structure. They can be unique, or allow duplicates. It's really up to the intended usage, and the implementer. I couldn't find any definition of tree structure that forbids unique node names -- if you can reference one, I'd like to see it. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with "global"-ness of nodes (whatever that means); it's just a way of organizing whatever data you have in a way that's convenient.

    2 hours ago, kimaldis said:

    My real beef is that they're trying to make it do something that it's not. I think what you're talking about is arranging a flat tag list into a hiearchy. If that's the case then, again, it's not a hierarchical tag structure, it's a hierarchical view of a flat tag structure, which is a confusion. But like I said, semantics,

    But we do that with hierarchies and other structures all the time. We arrange things that are not intrinsically hierarchical into hierarchies for whatever purpose suits. A dictionary is a very broad and shallow tree, organizing disparate words by first letter. An org chart organizes a collection of people into functional units in a tree. A disk file system organizes collections of sectors wherever they live on the disk into files, and collections of files into folders, etc. I could go on. There's nothing special about the "view-of" thing: in computers, nodes are not required to hold all of node data, it can hold references to node data, however it's stored. And in Evernote, a user generally interacts with the hierarchy of tags, not the flat collection; in UI where the hierarchy is not available, users are generally offered other ways to filter the tag list down. You seem to have a beef with something that really is at the heart of what computer software is intended to do: present data in some organized form. I don't get it.


  4. 20 minutes ago, Jeshi said:

    @jefito I don’t know how YOU access Evernote Web on iOS because as soon as I go to Evernote.com and sign in, I’m taken to Account Settings — with no option in the hamburger menu to access Notes. 

    I don't access on iOS at all, but on my Android device, in Chrome, to get to the Devices page, I went to the link that @Scott T. provided (Devices page), signed in, and it took me straight there.

    To access the web version of Evernote on Android, I go to evernote.com,  and use a Chrome menu setting to open the desktop site, and there's the Evernote web application, in all its glory, It's a bit painful to use on a small device like a phone as it doesn't adapt to the smaller screen size, leading to lots of scrolling around, but it does work after a fashion, and can be useful in a pinch. I'm guessing you can do something similar on iOS, but I can't tell for sure.

    Anyways, it sounds like @Scott T. has things in hand for you, and hopefully you get things straightened out shortly. Cheers.


  5. 37 minutes ago, kimaldis said:

    It really isn't really hierarchical. If it was you'd be able to have identically named tags in different parts of the tree. You'd also be able to specify tags with a full path and select a full tag branch. You can do none of these things. Tags in Evernote appear to be no more than the same visual decoration that notebooks stacks are. If you want to see it done properly, take a look at Bear.

    Sure it's hierarchical -- there's nothing in the definition of hierarchy (see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy) that dictates that names of items need be or need not be unique.  Evernote's version just allows you to do hierarchical organization of your tag names. File systems are not the only hierarchies -- organizations of people can also be hierarchies, and that's pretty much analogous to Evernote's hierarchy.

    I have mixed feelings about the tag structure allowing tag names to appear at different places in the hierarchy, but the way I use Evernote doesn't depend on the hierarchy at all, just the tag names, which can mean multiple things, much like words in language with more than one meaning, so I doubt that I'd take advantage of a your so-called 'proper' hierarchy anyways (I sure wouldn't want to specify paths in my tag names, yeesh). In other words, I use Evernote tags to describe notes (like keywords) and that usage doesn't depend at all on the tag hierarchy. If Evernote search allowed for what I call 'hierarchical tag search', i.e., find notes that have tag A or any of its children, then I'd consider using that, but otherwise not much use for the tag tree -- I rarely bother with organizing the tree and generally keep it closed in the UI.

    I'd look at Bear if I had an Apple device, so sorry, but no thanks, Somewhat ironic that their opening web page claims "Use it everywhere", though. If you want to see cross platform done properly, don't bother taking a look a look at Bear (Evernote's not there on the 'properly' bit either, FWIW, but it is there).

    Going back a bit:

    4 hours ago, kimaldis said:

    Threre's always a reason...

    Half-baked is a recurring thing in Evernote becuase forward thinking design hasn't ever been a thing with it.  You can see how it probably happened; you  design a fairly simple data structure then, as time goes by and needs expand, your lack of forthought restricts your ability to adapt to new needs so you hack in anything you can to paper over the cracks, make it look better without actually addressing the things that prompted the feature request in the first place. So you get nested tags that aren't really hierarchical so have none of the advantages of a hierarchical structure, likewise with notebook stacks. It's madness that an app the basic purpose of which is to let you organise your data uses a flat data structure and doesn't have even the most basic tools for organising data.

    It can only get worse.

    I stated the reason as descriptive, not prescriptive; for the record, I've always thought that stacks were a bit of a quick hack. Useful enough for organizing the relatively few notebooks (20-odd?) that I have across two accounts, and stacks are recognized in search, so they're fine for my purposes, just not a grand evolution.

    With respect to the original request, I doubt that stacks as implemented (so notebooks names need to be globally unique in an account), but I'd guess that you'll see nested notebooks before you see the tag hierarchy allow tags names to appear in multiple places. From my reading of he forums, I'm pretty sure that vastly more folks want the former than the latter, plus I'm pretty sure that Evernote does want to implement some kind of nested structure for notebooks. If nested notebooks become a thing, it may be possible that they also allow notebooks of the same name to occupy different slots in the hierarchy, but we'll see. They're battling other dragons at the moment (https://discussion.evernote.com/forum/306-behind-the-scenes-series/)..


  6. On 1/11/2020 at 5:18 PM, Boudica1 said:

    Unless you happen to google the exact same wording as this forum is titled, you can't find it and therefore you can't upvote, so the fact that there are only 64 votes isn't representative of how badly it's needed - there are probably a few other forum posts related to this but titled slightly differently also with votes. Plus, tons of people never bother to try to contact the company to ask for features.  

    Except for the fact that that the moderators tend to find common requests and merge them. That being said, basically *all* feature requests are in the same boat: vote count is relative to other vote counts, not number of forum-goers or total number of Evernote users. And that's not to mention the other sources of requests (twitter, tech support, etc.). Companies like Evernote already know that they don't get %100 participation from their users, and make adjustments.

    On 1/11/2020 at 5:18 PM, Boudica1 said:

    For my part, every time I get a survey from Evernote, I keep writing it in every free form text box, so hopefully it cuts through some layers and gets through (though from lack of progress, I guess not).  Maybe one day they'll stop doing internal focus groups and actually ask people other than 20-something white male Silicon Valley software engineers who all think the same.

    Nice bunch of assumptions there., not adding up to much concrete, I'm sorry to say.

    On 1/11/2020 at 5:18 PM, Boudica1 said:

    PS: has anyone noticed that the same messy filing comes with the web clipper? It doesn't give you a tree organisation, just *all* the hundreds of subfolders in alphabetical order (ie, out of context), so I have to try to remember what I've called the folder to find it to save the clipping in... Sigh.  

    Well, maybe, but it's not really topical to this particular request, so you should post a separate request in the web clipper feature request forum. That being said, the web clipper does do filtering on notebook names as you type characters in, which I find handier than navigating a stack/notebook structure (assuming that I had tons of notebooks, which I don't).

    On 1/12/2020 at 2:25 AM, Boudica1 said:

    A stack comprised of notebooks which contain folders, which in turn contain notes - isn't that a tree structure?  That's what I do, so then I have a lot of folders which are contained in notebooks. That's what I meant by subfolders.

    First off, there are no folders in the Evernote architecture, only stacks, notebooks, notes and tags. Most folks who want a tree structure for Evernote want an arbitrarily nestable container structure, most likely using notebooks as the basis for the tree (i.e., allowing notebooks to contain other notebooks rather than just notes), much like files and folders in a file system .Evernote doesn't have that; it has a very flat structure where stacks can only contain notebooks, and notebooks can only contain stacks. A tree by strict definition, sure, but not what most people want, from my reading of the forum, anyhow. 


  7. 2 hours ago, Jeshi said:

    I meant I can’t login on browser meaning I can’t view my notes and use it regularly. this is by design because Evernote wants people to sync their phones and not use the browser on their phones. 

    Web browser doesn't count as a device, even if it's on your mobile device. Devices are the native -- meaning Windows, Mac, Android and iOS applications. In particular, it's the native Android and iOS applications on which cached notes are cleared when you change users. The web version does things differently. More info: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/218558068-Understanding-the-device-limit


  8. 1 hour ago, Jeshi said:

    @Scott T. How can I go into Evernote WEB and unsync “Phone 1” and “Phone 2”, so I can re-add “Phone 2” and stop this cycle? I only have one unsync left. 
     

    Using EN WEB only at this point isn’t an option as I don’t always access a computer and EN Web is inaccessible via mobile browser. Please advise

    Accessing Scott's link works on Chrome on my Android device.


  9. On 1/11/2020 at 8:05 PM, RScott said:

    I have a few notes that are permanent with recurring tasks, and I'd like to be able to pin them to the top of the Snippet list. That way they stay at the top even if change the "Sort Notes By" setting.

    A standard workarounds: use reminders. Reminders work well with Snippet view in Windows, in that reminder notes titles & reminder dates are kept in a separate list at the top of the snippet list, so they're easily accessible (the reminder list can also be closed up to give you hack vertical space in the snippet view). The reminder list is independently sortable, and can also be set up a user-sortable (you drag items where you want them to go). I use reminders a lot for exactly this purpose.

    The basics: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/208314338-How-to-use-reminders. You can find a lot of other links with a web search on "evernote reminders"


  10. 23 hours ago, lightflamingo said:

    The information is usually something that is wanted in a hurry while troubleshooting.  To download and unzip a file to view it defeats the purpose of speed.  Probably would be as fast as using a paper-based system in a file.  Unfortunately, with a fixed income the difference in price puts Premium out of my reach.  Thanks for response anyway.

    The only thing that I can suggest (not owning a scanner myself) is to check whether your you can configure your scanner to use TIFF's native compression (it's still lossless) so that you get smaller files. Good luck.


  11. On 1/11/2020 at 11:03 AM, dcon said:

    As I remember, the ordering is simply what Windows says. (Keep wanting to type 'tells us' - but I'm not 'us' now LOL!) EN doesn't know how that is sorted. And who knows how Windows actually keeps its internal list...

    Well, I'll accept 'us' as being past & present Evernote folks -- heck, you still have the scars, er, tattoo, right? :) 

    Anyways, yeah, it was always clear that the order came from Windows, but I seem to remember it as pretty reliable (vs. Mac at the time). I seem to recall that Windows would return things in the order that you selected them if you selected one-by-one (via Ctrl+Click), but can't remember anything about order of drag selects. It may depend on whether you drag select up or down (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6128962/how-do-i-maintain-the-file-order-in-windows-explorer-when-drag-and-dropping-file). It might also depend on the file ordering in the Explorer window as well, though I've not found much supporting that either way.. Microsoft seems pretty opaque about the whole thing.

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  12. 29 minutes ago, Scott T. said:

    I'd put it more like "It's possible Evernote staff may read your post, but there's no guarantee. This is first and foremost a user-supported help forum." We'd like to have every single post being reviewed, but we just don't have the dedicated resources for that at the moment.

    I appreciate the clarification; it used to be the case that Evernote staff did read everything here, per commends by Dave Engberg, but his tenure is long over, and the forums have a lot more traffic nowadays, so it's understandable. I'll keep that in mind in the future. Thanks.

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  13. 15 hours ago, lightflamingo said:

    Plus Account is limited to 50 MB.

    Plus accounts no no longer exist, except for folks who are grandfathered in. I.e., they're pretty much at a dead end. See the FAQ.  I wouldn't expect them to increase the allocation limits for Plus. Sounds like your use case is more geared towards a Premium level.Is it possible to compress the TIFF files to save space?

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  14. 10 hours ago, Meghna said:

    Hi, I currently have a personal Evernote account where I journal etc. I want to have a seperate account for my school stuff and want to be able to switch between both these emails easily. Is this possible? Will premium make this possible?

    I have two Evernote accounts, a premium account one personal use and basic account for work. I work at home sometimes and at the office other times. I use the Windows and Android Evernote applications (and the web app sometimes, too). At home on my Windows desktop, I can have both accounts open at the same time. At work, I don't want most of my personal notes on my work machine, so I solve this a different way: I share certain notebooks to my work account, and don't share the others. This lets me see a subset of my personal account with my work account, without needing to switch. This generally works fine.

    On my Android phone, I could switch accounts back and forth, but I really don't need to see a lot of work stuff on my phone, and switching requires pulling down notes from the server, because you can only have one account open at a time. So again, I use notebook sharing to make this simple: I share a couple of notebook from my work account to my personal account, and then I can see those notebooks on my phone.

    With respect to Evernote for Windows and multiple accounts, this page says:

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    Note: You can add up to 5 accounts in Evernote for Windows, as long as at least one of them is Premium or Business. 

     

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  15. 2 hours ago, CalS said:

    It happens this works.  An ?idiosyncrasy? of how EN converts symbols to blanks seems to find notes with $xxx in them.  Note the blank in front of sym in the search information.  It's kind of like a word beginning with a blank is in the search index...  You just have to know what is after the special character. 

    Not sure that this does work, really. I tried this and a search for $SYM will find matches for #SYM, $SYM, and @SYM, just plain SYM, and probably others. I see no space character preceding 'sym' in the search information: i.e., it looks the same for $SYM as it does for SYM. In addition, searches on #SYM, $SYM, @SYM, etc. appear to work exactly the same as a search for SYM. As far as I can tell, special characters (punctuation in the search grammar documentation - https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/search_grammar.php) are discarded in the search query, and also in note text (or as treated as if discarded).  If you're trying to find notes containing $SYM but not get matches on #SYM, SYM, etc, I don't think that that's doable in Evernote, at least the Windows client.

    From the docs:

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    Punctuation is used to split the input query and document into words, but it is ignored for text matching. The behavior of a quoted search should behave as if the following operations were performed on both the search query and the target note:

    1. All XML markup is removed from the document, leaving only the visible text as a string
    2. The string is converted to a list of words which are separated by one or more whitespace and/or punctuation characters.
    3. The case of each word in the list is normalized
    4. The list of words in the query must match with the same sequence of words in the converted Note

    All that being said, I think that it would be great to be able to search for special characters, and I'd already upvoted this request.


  16. In Windows, you can use the provided "Find in Evernote" shortcut key to bring up Evernote from anywhere, albeit in position to do a new search. Win+ArrowDown minimises the current program, so dismissing Evernote is already done. You can also make your own shortcuts (https://gizmodo.com/create-your-own-keyboard-shortcuts-to-do-anything-on-wi-1821529700) or use third-party programs like AutoHotKey to do this sort of stuff.


  17. You are using a very old version of the Evernote web application, the "classic" version. To go to a new version, go to your account settings (it's in th edropdown menu by your name in the upper right-hand corner of the screen), look down the page for "Evernote Web", and select a newer version.

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