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  1. [Advice/request: please learn to use the forum quoting facilities to make it easier to see exactly who/what you are replying to. Otherwise you lose the flow.] You seem to have missed the point that tags and notebooks connect notes semantically; it's as valid a connection as direct connections, and perhaps even more powerful. The missing "C" in your slogan is "Categorize". I'd put it before "Connect" in my version: even a link-based system requires you to mentally categorize a new note, since you need to figure out where to put it. If you con't categorize, then you cannot connect. I'm curious as to how your linking strategy plays out in real life, on a note database that's of some size, say 10,000 or more notes. Remember, you need as many links as you do notes (actually more, as we will see). So just as a thought experiment let's do a little math. In order to link up all of your notes, you need to add artificial index notes to contain the links. Let's assume that for convenience sake, you want your system to be feasible on all devices, including phones, and let's assume that 20 items on a phone display fits on a the first page of an index note. 20 items is a lot to examine by eye, (as before, 7 +/- 2 is a cognitively better number) but it's do-able; but if you have to page through an index note to find the next link, that makes your system a lot less "intuitive" (whatever that means) and convenient. OK, so first problem: now you need to set up, and maintain, 500 index notes to contain the bottom level links, 125 index notes to link to the previous index notes, and 6 or so index notes to link to the previous level. That's if you want a balanced tree. 636 notes. You've inflated your note database by greater than 2%, just for purposes of indexing, and you now need to figure out your tree structure and maintain it as you grow your note database. Second problem: given the assumed limit of 20 items per index note, you cannot index 10000 notes in 3 levels (20 * 20 * 20 = 8000). So something has to give: either the number of levels required to find any note, which breaks your "3 intuitive clicks" rule, or the 20 items per page, which breaks my not unreasonable assumption; i'd actually argue that 10 or fewer is much more easily navigable, for cognitive reasons, but that forces the required number of artificial index notes to be far higher. Third problem: with everything being 3 clicks away, then that's the minimum amount of work you need to do to find a note. Using notebooks and tags, I can easily surface currently useful notes in two clicks: click on "Todo" notebook, click on "Weekly Journal" note (which is the main driver of my weekly workflow) or other pertinent notes (thanks, reminders!). I'll stop there, as this approach seems infeasible over time and large numbers of notes. But this view of a link-based system is based mainly on conjecture; what am I missing in the mechanics of your solution? Other notes: is it a property of your system that each note is reachable by a single sequence of intuitive clicks, or can you get to a note via multiple paths? The former implies that the user has a fixed notion of the unique place in a hierarchy a note belongs, and doesn't miss a click on the way down. The latter implies even more index notes = more work to create and maintain. Forgive me if I don't see this as the panacea to the problem of getting newcomers to Evernote to latch onto it as a solution to their needs, much less as a scalable solution to growing a serious notes database in a feasible, extensible manner. In my view, a solely link-based Evernote would be a disaster. I'd certainly have to switch to something else, and I'd hardly be alone. Thankfully, I'm pretty certain that Evernote will never do such a foolish thing.
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    Evernote for Windows 6.16 GA

    This is by design, ditto for the notebook case as well. An analogous situation occurs in the Windows file system (don't know how this works in Unixy flavored file systems) if you move a file from one folder to another, it retains the same modified date. If you change read-only or other security attributes, the modified date remains the same. The modified date changes only if you modify the actual file. Works much the same with respect to notes in Evernote and their attributes: notebooks and tags. This apparently doesn't apply to note title, though: if you change it, the modified date does change (unlike filename changes, where the modified date does not change). That may be because of the fact that there's an implicit link in some cases to the first line of a note, I'm not sure. But I know that tag changes vs. modified date was discussed in the forum with input from Evernote staff, some years ago. Couldn't find the link, though. Edit: Found the link. See @Jackolicious's posts from here on:
  3. Ha -- welcome to the world of language. Synonyms are a thing... Generally we're in control of our own tag vocabularies (speaking as a solo user, not as a group participant). Since I don't use tags for navigation, the largest part of any tag maintenance that I do (which is not a lot) is figuring out inadvertent tag synonyms, and paring them down. Occasional rainy-day stuff. An interesting improvement might be the addition of ways to specifying that certain tags are synonymous, so that a search for "tag:banking" would turn up notes tagged with "banks" and "bankers". Not that those words are actually synonymous; they're related for sure, but they don't mean the same thing. And obviously I know that you already know that a search for "tag:bank*" matches all of these.
  4. Of course you can offer your opinion, but this is a very strange stance to take. Tags, notebooks and links serve entirely different purposes. A wise Evernote user knows how to use them as appropriate. Using links exclusively would be a very poor way to operate for many people; they just do not do what tags or notebooks do, thus robbing an Evernote user of powerful categorization and organizational functionality. Sure, Evernote could be better, but having different options is a strength, not a weakness. Each of the aforementioned bits of functionality are useful, and they gain even more utility when used together. The curious thing is that you do web search using literal text (and there's a more complex way of searching available beyond what most people use); you don't find things on the web just using links. Remember Yahoo? They tried that; that approach lost, convincingly. Text search in Evernote doesn't work the same way as it does in Google, but it does work. Beyond that, tags allow a user to categorize (read "describe") notes in ways that are meaningful to them. I use them in ways that mirror what we learn early on to do with language, as nouns and adjectives. I don't find them difficult to organize or maintain because I don't spend much organizing tags; I'd much rather use tags to organize my data. Again, links do not do what tags do. Using tags as a vocabulary to describe your notes is no less intuitive (whatever that means) than links; we learn to use language to describe our world very early on in our lives; what is the parallel for links? Side note: for those people who do use tags to form hierarchies meaningful for their purposes; it's indeed a drawback that the hierarchies are not exposed on some devices. That's a flaw in tag implementation, not a flaw in the utility of tags. Um, that's exactly why tags are useful: a note can belong to more than one category at a time, validly. Notebooks have a different meaning in Evernote; they partition your notes nto discrete sets . I use notebooks sparingly, but in Evernote, they have at least one important usage: you can share individual notes, or individual notebooks. I share several notebooks between my two accounts, and I use notebooks to do it; this generally works well for me. Sorry, but this is misguided. Linked notes do not do this in a way that's convenient for many users, because many Evernote users are comfortable with search. Links are nowhere present in search. Linked structures do not scale well in general: using links to organize a large and varied set of notes will force you into trawling down through a trail of linked notes. Even Wikis, which use links a lot, support search, because it's faster and more convenient for many use cases. And please stop using "intuitive" to describe links. They are not intuitive; they are learned functionality, as is a lot of computer functionality. Most humans learn to use language earlier than we learn the concept of linking. This. Will. Never. Happen. The upshot of your suggestion here deprecates use of tags exactly how? If they are available in search and behave as they did before, why would any software company go through the added gyrations to deprecate them and/or change their underlying implementation so that they behave exactly as before? That would be madness. Oh, and by the way, I am a pretty avid tag user, but I choose not use the note title naming schemes that others find useful. Please do not conflate these two usages. I don't want my titles mucked with; tags work fine as they are, thanks very much. Link creation is certainly something that could be improved. And links themselves could be improved: in particular, links that point to specific locations inside a note would be very useful. All of this has been proposed via feature requests before, but nowhere have I seen them be promoted as the one true solution for Evernote. Links are just one of a set of tools that you can use to organize and navigate your notes. A carpenter has a number of tools in their toolbox; you don't build a house using only a hammer. And have you forgotten that "using the internet" often starts with a search, not a link? Me, I used to keep trees of bookmarks, until organizing bookmarks became a chore (because links don't scale well). Now I keep a small collection of frequently used bookmarks, but search generally suffices for the rest. Much faster and more direct then pawing through a tree of bookmarks. Sorry, but your post makes little sense for many current Evernote users. You criticize tags without seeming to understand what they're good for. There is no best single way to organize and navigate your notes. There are approaches and methodologies that work for certain usages; links alone are not sufficient to encompass them all; neither are tags or notebooks.
  5. Searching (finding results) and sorting (presenting results) are two separate operations. Evernote brings up notes that match your search filter; that set of notes is then are ordered by whatever sorting criteria you are using currently. There is no way to specify sort order in the search language, though that's been requested (by me, for one). And indeed, Evernote's sorting abilities are pretty much limited to a single attribute at a time, forwards or backwards. That could be augmented. Some kind of sorting by relevance would be also nice, but relevance is not always easy to specify, and it's situational (sometimes more recent notes are more relevant, sometimes they're not and some other criterion is). Dropdown menus, checkboxes and other UI affordances are all very nice, but ultimately any search (or combined search/sort) specification almost certainly needs to be specifiable via a mini language (as is the current search language), which is the lowest common denominator for portability. UI stuff can hide that, but it can be tricky to figure out what went wrong. Personally, my approach is generally to filter my notes down via a combination of notebook, tag, literal text or very occasionally special searches (e.g. todos, mime type, date range) to a smallish set of notes (< 10, the "7 +/- 2 principle" holds here) so I can pick out the one I want by eye. I keep my notes sorted by most recently updated, so I get that sort of relevance for free. Tags do a fair amount of the heavy lifting, and are better than notebooks because a note can have multiple tags but only one notebook; in my approach, I categorize (i.e., tag) descriptively rather than hierarchically. But literal text searches factor in a lot too. "Simple search --> small result set --> pick the note" seems to work best for me.
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    Utilize Google to search my notes

    You're kind of hijacking your own topic here; you might consider making a separate request. Dealing with complex formatting from web clips (or copy/pastes) can be difficult since Evernote's editing tools aren't powerful enough to handle them: they don't handle line or column spacing, for example. If it's just text, I sometimes wind up just selecting and simplifying the formatting. And sometimes I just live with it.
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    Continuously Snycing

    Windows? Mac? Android? iOS? Web?
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    Evernote for Windows 6.16 GA

    My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't mind the cheeriness (hey, fixing bugs makes me happy too!) if they were bolstered by specific details. Surely these comments aren't in the actual bug tickets.
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    Beta issues

    Huh -- with a little double malt?
  10. In the meantime, you can roll back to the current version in your settings.
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    How to avoid tags from shared notebooks

    Exactly what I do, when this situation bothers me, which it doesn't, mostly. I only share notebooks between my two accounts; there's some overlap, but usually I don't worry about finding tags in the tag list anyways -- I keep it closed, since I generally know the tags I use anyways. Regardless, it would be nice to be able to display the tag list and tag panel without any tags that don't come from shared notebooks.
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    Synced Notes Not Visible in Browser

    Second question -- do you have notes in local notebooks (i.e., notebooks that do not sync to Evernote servers)? Those, for sure, won't show up in the web client.
  13. While I'm not willing to 'foment' this topic, I am willing to move it to a feature request forum so it can garner upvotes (and maybe be merged with other existing mind-mapping requests)...
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    Petition to Keep Old Web Design Layouts

    This appears to be a feature request. making it so...
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    Evernote does retain your search history. You can access it using the History icons in the toolbar (you'll need to add them if they're not there already). If you put your mouse over the left arrow (go back in history) and how down the left mouse button, you'll get a dropdown menu that shows the last 10 searches. Click on the last one to go to that search, and from there, if you repeat, you can scan back through your search history, 10 searches at a time. A bit tedious, I understand; it would be helpful if you could access the whol elist.
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    Hide sidebar

    This is the Windows Evernote application, correct? The panel with the dark background is called th e"Left Panel". You can close it to a minimum size, with icons showing for each main item, bot you cannot make it disappear. Menu item is View / Left Panel. Keyboard shortcut is F10. The middle panel is the "Note List". You can make it disappear using the menu item View / Note List, or the keyboard shortcut F11.
  17. Is this the web version, or the Windows application?
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    Right -- missed that. Moving this to the web client area.
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    Moving to the Windows feature request subforum...
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    You are probably running the web beta. You can revert to the current non-beta version in Settings.
  21. Funny, I do this a lot. I do it with Evernote. I do it with the non-trivial application that my company develops, and never think about it. I have rarely had problems. If I've ever uninstalled Evernote over the past 10 years, it's a very small number of times. Actually forcing an uninstall is an action of last resort; installers do this work for you, in general. But some folks swear by this and 3rd party uninstallers like Revo. Anyways, my bringing that up is just checking. My next step, if it were me (other than getting in touch with Evernote support, which I'd also suggest), would be making sure that you're completely synced, logging out of Evernote, moving your Evernote data directory elsewhere to a safe location, and then running an installation, and then letting Evernote download my notes into a fresh new database.
  22. At a guess, most people who might try to help you understand what note links are and use them. I use them myself a fair amount, though as much as you seem to. Haven't seen mass reports about frequent crashes of recent releases, and haven't experienced this -- I think I had one occasion where Evernote just disappeared on me in the last several month (I'm on the beta track, so I see them all), so it's hard to tell what's going on with your installation. Is this happening on a single machine, or on multiple? Laptop or desktop? Standard procedure for situations like this is to start by doing a complete uninstall of Evernote (rather than installing over an existing version), and then installing fresh, as @gazumpedsuggests.
  23. Apropos? BOOL SetForegroundWindow( HWND hWnd ); https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/api/winuser/nf-winuser-setforegroundwindow
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    Allow per notebook sorting on Mac

    Note that the current subforum that this is in is for general (i.e., not platform specific) requests. But it would be a nice feature for other platforms, too, particularly if these settings were syncable to other platforms. I'm guessing that there's a case a user wanting different sort criteria on a different devices, and also there's a case for having the settings sync for shared notebooks, though they should be overridable if the person that the notebook is shared to wants a different ordering. Upvoted, as amended.
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    Space gets added when I use numbers

    Helps to mention which Evernote client you are referring to, e.g.Windows, Mac, Android, iOS, Web... I don't see this happening in the latest Windows beta 6.16.2.