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  1. Evernote is pretty averse to censoring user complaints; you might have noticed that there have been a few of them via-a-vis the recent Mac v6 and the web beta releases. Yours is not anywhere near as harsh as others that have been allowed, right here in this topic, as well as others. I'm not quite sure why yours would have been caught in the spam filter. Maybe that post got caught up while the Evernote forum staff may be working on toughening up the spam filters to get rid of all this Indian spam rubbish that has been blighting the forums for the last little while? Just a thought...
  2. I knew that — was posting for those complaining about the "ZOMG Work Chat BEING FORCED ON ME!!" crowd. Sorry, Macfixer - I misunderstood. It sounded like you'd just discovered that method. Apologies. But while that will get rid of Chat from the Sidebar, there is still no way to remove the "New Chat" button from up on the Toolbar. Right between the "New Note" button and the Search box. I really wonder how many people would EVER use that button? And compare that number to those who would use a "Print" button, or an "Email Note" button..... But we can't change it because Evernote, in their wisdom, have decreed that we should not be allowed to customise the toolbar......
  3. @Macfixer: That capability has been there for several versions - both the menu way of doing it as you show, but also simply right-click (Cmd-click) on any item already in the sidebar, and you have the option to "Remove from Sidebar". Don't know if that right-click method is still present in v6....
  4. Hold the option key before right clicking and you'll see the Copy Classic Note Link. The note menu never worked even in 5.5. Of course (sorry, couldn't resist ) - if we had a fully customizable toolbar, those who use that function could simply put a button on the toolbar to do it. (cough, cough)...
  5. Please forgive this cross-post, but I think the other post was in the wrong place - it should be here. And it is relevant to XMG's post above: @XMG: Great work on that mockup above, based on JMichaels' screenshot, and incorporating fixes for many of the complaints. It is a distinct improvement. Personally (and I stress that it is my own personal preference) I'd be happy if the far left sidebar reverted to dark grey with inverted (pale grey or white) text the way it has been in the past. Even put some (gulp) GREEN in there somewhere..! One comment from a couple of people that I don't understand, is when they say the previous design looks "dated" - what exactly does that mean? If it looked good before, then it still looks good. Or are those posters the type of folks who have to paint their house in different colours every couple of years? We had a fairly significant change in UI with v5, but we've got used to that now. But v6 is too many steps too far, and removes all traces of Evernote identity. Now a couple of people have said that's a "good" thing. I'd disagree. Blindly following the current trend to being cool, and heading for complete and utter blandness by removing colour, demarcation lines, highlighting of selections, etc etc, in my own 'umble opinion, is a BAD thing. Which is why I'm staying with v5. And having tried Yosemite on a "spare" iMac, and hating it, I've reverted that one to Mavericks, which is where all my Macs will be staying. As I've posted elsewhere, I hated the bland, flat, "nothing" look of Yosemite, I hate translucency (yes, I know it can be turned off), and it has no character. But above all else - it is badly broken for those who use Apple Mail. That app is my email mainstay for multiple accounts, including my work Exchange account. And the Yosemite Mail app has all sorts of problems playing nicely with Exchange, the Address Panel has gone, there is no way to select multiple email addresses from a list (they have to be added one at a time), etc. Also, WiFi is still badly busted in Yosemite, even after the .0.1 update which was supposed to fix it. It didn't. The point of the last paragraph is that Yosemite is not ready for prime time yet, and if they don't change Mail back to the way it was, it may never be for many. And Evernote has blindly followed it into "coolness" - but got it so badly wrong. Especially for those who are on Mavericks or earlier. Interestingly, at the University where I teach (I teach in the Faculty of Medicine), which is a VERY large Uni, our IT department has issued a warning NOT to upgrade to Yosemite, and they are busy reverting all those who did jump early, using Time Machine or SuperDuper clones (which we all use). The same thing applies to Windows, by the way - by decree from the IT dept, everyone must be on Windows 7 or XP. Windows 8 or higher is banned and blocked. I think it is all symptomatic of software companies, both for OS and for apps, all feeling this pressure to "update" all the time, mostly for the sake of it. But there is nothing wrong with getting the basic app to work perfectly through refinement, and then - and ONLY then - adding the occasional new feature (WITHOUT removing features that are already there and that work just fine). Adobe Photoshop springs to mind - I've been using it since v2. Yes it has evolved over time, but the differences between versions are small, the look and feel really hasn't changed (does that make it look "dated"??), but it works flawlessly. It has to. And new features, like the Smart Healing Brush, are introduced only after everything else is working perfectly. And they did NOT remove the old Spot Healing tool or the Clone tool - two other ways of achieving a similar result but more fiddly. They remain to this day, and many people still prefer to use them. If Evernote were to take a leaf out of Adobe's book (and I am NO Adobe lover, believe me), then it should be that perfecting the base, and slowly building ON it rather than replacing it, should be the way forward.
  6. @XMG: Great work on that mockup above, based on JMichaels' screenshot, and incorporating fixes for many of the complaints. It is a distinct improvement. Personally (and I stress that it is my own personal preference) I'd be happy if the far left sidebar reverted to dark grey with inverted (pale grey or white) text the way it has been in the past. Even put some (gulp) GREEN in there somewhere..! One comment from a couple of people that I don't understand, is when they say the previous design looks "dated" - what exactly does that mean? If it looked good before, then it still looks good. Or are those posters the type of folks who have to paint their house in different colours every couple of years? We had a fairly significant change in UI with v5, but we've got used to that now. But v6 is too many steps too far, and removes all traces of Evernote identity. Now a couple of people have said that's a "good" thing. I'd disagree. Blindly following the current trend to being cool, and heading for complete and utter blandness by removing colour, demarcation lines, highlighting of selections, etc etc, in my own 'umble opinion, is a BAD thing. Which is why I'm staying with v5. And having tried Yosemite on a "spare" iMac, and hating it, I've reverted that one to Mavericks, which is where all my Macs will be staying. As I've posted elsewhere, I hated the bland, flat, "nothing" look of Yosemite, I hate translucency (yes, I know it can be turned off), and it has no character. But above all else - it is badly broken for those who use Apple Mail. That app is my email mainstay for multiple accounts, including my work Exchange account. And the Yosemite Mail app has all sorts of problems playing nicely with Exchange, the Address Panel has gone, there is no way to select multiple email addresses from a list (they have to be added one at a time), etc. Also, WiFi is still badly busted in Yosemite, even after the .0.1 update which was supposed to fix it. It didn't. The point of the last paragraph is that Yosemite is not ready for prime time yet, and if they don't change Mail back to the way it was, it may never be for many. And Evernote has blindly followed it into "coolness" - but got it so badly wrong. Especially for those who are on Mavericks or earlier. Interestingly, at the University where I teach (I teach in the Faculty of Medicine), which is a VERY large Uni, our IT department has issued a warning NOT to upgrade to Yosemite, and they are busy reverting all those who did jump early, using Time Machine or SuperDuper clones (which we all use). The same thing applies to Windows, by the way - by decree from the IT dept, everyone must be on Windows 7 or XP. Windows 8 or higher is banned and blocked. I think it is all symptomatic of software companies, both for OS and for apps, all feeling this pressure to "update" all the time, mostly for the sake of it. But there is nothing wrong with getting the basic app to work perfectly through refinement, and then - and ONLY then - adding the occasional new feature (WITHOUT removing features that are already there and that work just fine). Adobe Photoshop springs to mind - I've been using it since v2. Yes it has evolved over time, but the differences between versions are small, the look and feel really hasn't changed (does that make it look "dated"??), but it works flawlessly. It has to. And new features, like the Smart Healing Brush, are introduced only after everything else is working perfectly. And they did NOT remove the old Spot Healing tool or the Clone tool - two other ways of achieving a similar result but more fiddly. They remain to this day, and many people still prefer to use them. If Evernote were to take a leaf out of Adobe's book (and I am NO Adobe lover, believe me), then it should be that perfecting the base, and slowly building ON it rather than replacing it, should be the way forward.
  7. Good work, JM - thanks for the screenshot. Sheesh - have they mucked about with the forum software too - what I'm typing right now is appearing in my edit box as light grey on a white background! I really hope they haven't done it to the forum as well. That screenshot looks a bit better than before, but the icons at top right have looked grey-out (as in, inactive) since v5.7.2 at least. That's the version I'm using, and they're like that. I hate it. And as you correctly point out, there is still no differentiation between the note title and the note content. And that bug whereby the cursor starts in the title, with the title selected, is a BAD one! Why, in this world of wonderful colours, is everyone trying to impose this drab environment of shades of grey all over us? How depressing. What is WRONG with some colour? Even Apple's own apps, like Pages etc, not to mention 3rd party apps such as Curio, have all been updated to work with Yosemite, and they all have some colour. Curio, in particular, looks outstanding, and has its own character. And virtually everything in it is customizable.
  8. Is there any , you know - er, (hushed whisper) .... Green? Or is it still grey on grey on white, but just slightly different shades of grey? I'm still not upgrading. I'll rely on reports from you and others on here, but I'm quite happy sticking with v5 for as long as possible.
  9. I really, REALLY hope that is pure sarcasm...??
  10. For those trying to downgrade, it may be worth checking out this thread - which may or may not be a problem for you: https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/76567-sync-problem/ This MAY apply if you are trying to downgrade to a version EARLIER than v5.7.2 I got this problem - repeatedly and repeatably - when trying to go from 5.7.2 to 5.5.2 Now I'm back on v5.7.2 and all is working well (except I still have that silly "Chat" button I can't get rid of).
  11. For those trying to downgrade, it may be worth checking out this thread - which may or may not be a problem for you: https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/76567-sync-problem/
  12. For those trying to downgrade, it may be worth checking out this thread - which may or may not be a problem for you: https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/76567-sync-problem/
  13. For those trying to downgrade, it may be worth checking out this thread - which may or may not be a problem for you: https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/76567-sync-problem/
  14. Hi Marcus and JM That error message is the exact same one I was getting repeatedly when I tried to "backgrade" from v5.7.2 to v5.5.2. I did a total uninstall (using AppCleaner and Hazel), reboot, then installed 5.5.2 Every time it would start the sync (it would need to sync back the entire database, as if it were a new install on a new machine), I got that error message, either immediately or after some download progress that then stalled before giving me that error. But after another clean reinstall of v5.7.2 (the later version), it synced back with no problems. Took a while (I have thousands of notes) but no problems. So my question, based on a presumption: could Marcus tell me if I'm right or wrong when I guess that there was some sort of change in the database structure between v5.5.2 and v5.7.2 - that's before and after the major re-write? If a person has already migrated notes up to v5.7.2 or beyond, then maybe they can't downgrade below 5.7.2 as I was trying to do. And was the original poster perhaps trying to do something similar? EN syncs back from v6 to v5.7.2, but not from 5.7.2 to v5.5.2 I tried multiple times, with full uninstalls, clean reinstalls, reboots, etc - and got this error message every time. Once I simply reinstalled v5.7.2, it synced back without a problem. If my presumption/guess is correct, perhaps people should be warned that they can't downgrade across that "divide" between 5.5.2 and 5.7.2? And for what it's worth, removing the progress bar is yet another example of taking away something that works, and that many people (including me) were very used to using. And once again, the question is WHY? You say that sync is much faster - but that may be for you guys on corporate high speed Internet connections. For all the poor plebs out here in the real world that have typical domestic or office connections that are WAY slower, the download progress bar is the signal that something is still happening. The spinning blue gizmo doesn't give you any information at all other than that EN is trying to sync. No sign of progress or lack of it. Put me down as another vote for bring back the progress bar - except I want it in v5.7.2 since I'm not going to be using the new v6 or 6.0.1 Better yet - how about bring out v7, complete with fully customizable skins and colours (incl Classic), fully customizable toolbars with ALL functions being able to be put on there, the download progress bar restored, fast sync for those with fast connections, the option to remove/turn off totally things like Context (yes, I know it can be hidden at the moment), Chat (which can't be hidden), etc? In other words - v7 would solve almost ALL the problems that are causing this outpouring of complaints.... Just think how nice THAT would be if we all shut up?
  15. Excellent advice there, JM. I have auto-update turned off everywhere, including on the iPad and iPhone. I don't want to get a nasty surprise with an app that I like. There are too many apps these days, not just Evernote, or Mac OS X, that feel the pressure and need to keep on "advancing" the app or the OS. And that invariably leads to changes, some of which are for the better, but many of which are not. And that's not even taking into account the inevitable bugs - that's just talking about the PLANNED changes. But where this current version of Evernote has fallen down badly - and the last few versions as well - is not only by ADDING things that are of dubious benefit, but by REMOVING things that are an essential part of the app, such as the configurable toolbar, hiding the "Email Note" function, and all the other things that have been the subject of many complaints on these forums over the last few versions. You can add "colour" to that list too - they've removed pretty much all of it. Reminds me of back in the early days, with a monochrome monitor and ASCII text characters. (Yup, I've been around computers THAT long!) So - ALL auto-updates off. I check for updates manually for every app, or simply check the App Store for most (not Evernote, as mine is a direct downloaded version), then update the ones I want, usually after checking forums such as this one.
  16. If I'm right, JM, then there may have been some sort of change in the database structure when moving up from 5.5.2 to 5.7.2 (i.e. After the re-write). I have now done 3 complete uninstall/reinstall of 5.5.2, with all necessary reboots, and always get the sync failure. Now, having reinstalled 5.7.2 (which is the same version as I have on all my Macs), it is syncing back just fine - my rather massive database is gradually reappearing. I think I'll be sticking with v5.7.2 (complete with the unwanted Chat button) but i will NOT be upgrading to v6 or 6.0.1 And I'm also sticking with Mavericks, after my flirtation with Yosemite, as posted elsewhere.
  17. Hi JM AppCleaner is also very thorough, and looks in all sorts of hidden nooks and crannies. I also have Hazel, which does what it calls a "sweep" after an uninstall of anything, to root out any last vestiges. I then did a reboot, emptied the trash, and rebooted again. THEN I installed v5.5.2 - but consistently got that sync failure message. Interestingly, I uninstalled v5.5.2 using exactly the same methods (AppCleaner and Hazel), installed v5.7.2 again, and now it is syncing perfectly - still a while to go but it is pulling the entire database back from the Evernote servers. The only thing I can think of is that somewhere in the sequence through having v5.7.2 installed has involved the database being migrated - and this has created some changes at the server side of things, that prevent back-syncing to an earlier version. If Jack, Marcus, or anyone else from EN is reading this, could you either confirm or contradict that assumption? Just to clear the air? Thanks... If there has been NO change server-side, then I have no idea why I couldn't sync back to an absolutely pristine, fresh installation of v5.5.2 on a machine that had been wiped clean of everything Evernote-related.
  18. Hi JM I considered downgrading from 5.7.2 back to 5.5.2 (before all the Chat button nonsense), but when I tried to export notebooks - there was no way to do that. According to the EN Knowledge Base, a right-click on a notebook should give the option to export that notebook. But in 5.7.2 there is no such option - just Delete Notebook, Share Notebook (which is basically Publish it), or Settings - which do nothing once the notebook has been created (Duh!). So I wasn't able to export anything. Given that I don't actually HAVE any local notebooks on my iMac (although all my notes are stored locally on my iPad) I figured that just doing a complete wipe, and fresh install of v5.5.2 would do the trick. However, having done that, complete with reboot, I'm now getting the Synchronization failure message - it tries to download headers or something, but presumably the note versions up on the server have been changed to reflect my use of v5.7.2 and simply won't sync back to 5.5.2 Done more reboots, done another clean wipe and reinstall, but no avail. Reinstalling v5.7.2 works just fine. So it would appear that there must be some change in the format of the notes up at the server end of things once we've moved up to v5.7.2 - I can't think of any other reason I can't sync back. My other iMacs, still running 5.7.2 sync just fine, and the web interface still shows everything as it should be up at their end. I just can't get 5.5.2 to sync back. Weird - everything has been wiped clean here - just like installing 5.5.2 on a brand new computer. All references to Evernote anywhere were wiped clean. Anyone else seen this? Has anyone managed to sync back to a reinstall of v5.5.2 AFTER having used a higher version at all? Or is it just me and something on my system?
  19. Using an app such as the excellent (and FREE) AppCleaner (App Store) will remove not only the main Evernote.app, but will also root out all those system files, preference and settings files, etc. That's the best way to do it. If you have Hazel, it will also do a double-check on any residual files. Then simply install the version you want (eg v5.5.2, the last one before the re-write) and let it sync back from the server.
  20. I've said more than enough about the UI of the new version, which I hate, so I won't go on about it. Others are doing it for me. I also read a TUAW "review" of the new version last night - it reads like an Evernote media release. But while the reviewer apparently liked it, the telling thing was that all the comments below the main article were extremely negative - just like this thread and others. Here's the link - this is the brief version - the one I read last night on my iPad had a whole load more comments, all in the same vein: http://www.tuaw.com/2014/11/24/the-new-evernote-app-for-os-x-is-a-joy-to-use/ But one point that seems not to have been mentioned - not only did they bury the Email Note function two deep in menus, but there is NO KEYBOARD SHORTCUT. They really are trying to make that function disappear, aren't they? They've already said they're "deprecating" that function - meaning they're phasing it out. I wonder if the chorus of complaints will make them reconsider that? It is another commonly used function that works and that many, if not most, people use. Why take away something that works - again???
  21. Excellent work, JM - thanks for putting together this information. Great resource. Of course, it should have been Evernote that put it together, but you've covered their collective asses for them here. Above and beyond the call of duty! Oh hang on - you don't HAVE a duty..... EDIT: Just discovered that in v5.7.2 (i.e. After the re-write) you can't export a Notebook. Only individual notes - which is useless. May as well just email them to myself. In the Knowledge Base article, it says to export a notebook on the Mac, right-click on the notebook and select "Export Notebook". But that option is no longer there, and Evernote haven't updated their knowledge base. The only options are Settings (which doesn't do anything at all once the notebook has been created - duh!), Share Notebook, or Delete Notebook. The Share option only is for publishing your notebook - all that silly collaboration stuff again.! So I'm still on 5.7.2, but it looks like I'm not going to go back to 5.5.2 as I can't export those .enex files for each notebook. And I'm sure as hell not going to export all my notes individually - there are thousands of 'em! So that's something else Evernote took away from the app - the ability to export complete notebooks. Or even All Notes. No can do any more...!
  22. Another thing that seems to have worked for some - not all - with similar problems is to do a reboot. I know it shouldn't be needed theoretically, but it has apparently worked for a couple of posters on other threads.
  23. These forums are being monitored, and therefore represent the best way to complain. Indeed. Jack (Jackolicious) and Marcus (Softwaremarcus) read all the posts, and respond. I have a sneaking suspicion that they may actually agree with many of the complaints, but have to toe the company line so can't say too much. However, they ARE responsive, and they DO engage in good polite debate, for which most in here are very grateful. And going on the incredible number of complaints on this LONG thread, plus all the other threads that have been started on the same topics, it would appear that they are facing a chorus of complaint about version 6. But MOST of the complaints are about the UI, and while there are a couple of posters who actually like it, the VAST majority hate it. And so many are first time posters who have signed in here specifically to complain about that UI. Which begs the question that has been put several times - why not simply make most of the UI elements customizable, from toolbar to icons, from colours to translucency, from fonts to contrast, etc etc? If that were to happen, then ALL of the complaints about the UI would simply disappear, leaving matters of pure function and real bugs as the topics to bring up. I'd be pretty sure that Jack and Marcus would be much less aggravated if that were the case.
  24. @AdamDWright - thanks for the very civil reply, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours also. The good spirit of these forums is alive and well - thank you
  25. That comment quoted, is a bit arrogant, don't you think? I really don't want to start a flaming war here, but with SO many people complaining about the interface and UI, you're basically saying that everyone else is wrong, but you're right, because you're following the trend and are "cool"? I get that you like the change. I don't have a problem with that. But no, I am NOT resistant to change - I am resistant to change for the worse. I LOVE change for the better - but EN6 ain't it. At least, not in the opinions of a lot of people, it would seem. This blind following of Apple is a problem, even though they're not really following Apple - check out Pages - complete with much better readability, coloured icons, and configurable toolbar. So you can feel free to discredit the opinions of those who happen not to agree with you, even though you concede that it is a matter of personal taste. I'm quite happy to have different tastes from others', including yours, but I don't discredit your opinions. OK - I'm going to take a break from posting on here for a while (do I hear cheers all around?). I'm getting somewhat frustrated by the lack of concession that perhaps the new interface and UI are NOT right for many people. There has never been any explanation as to WHY features get removed or hidden when they used to work perfectly, or how the elimination of all individuality from the app's UI is going to help Evernote in any way at all. Sticking with Evernote v5 running on Mavericks here. And trying to find a way of stopping auto-update on my iOS devices so I don't suddenly find any nasty surprises. Would be good to be able to turn off auto-update on a per-app basis, rather than globally.
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