BurgersNFries

Y'all can cogitate all you want.  And if one is going to take offense at a "flippant" remark about all the OSs that matter, then maybe one should get some thicker skin.  Bottom line is that EN has stated very clearly they are not building a linux client.  If that's a deal breaker for you, then EN is not the product for you.

@ jefito thanks for the link, it works

@ BurgersNFries Please stop your ridiculous argument, its not always true, and its harmful to EN. Your argument implies that EN is just a so so product because the devs are so impotent that they cannot figure out how to implement features (even the important one) across the platforms. 

Cross platform development has been around for ages: Blizzard games always come in both Mac and PC. So do Libre office, java, flash etc and even iTunes. They work great. None of them blames cross platform for slow dev. By porting windows games to linux Valve devs even found a better way to speed up both their Linux and Windows games.

Cross platform dev is to getting more audience not the excuse to slow it down or dumb it down. If you don't want to add a requested feature just say you don't. Don't mislead us with such blah blah.

Dude.  I didn't say they "couldn't" make it work.  Please re-read my post.  And again, it's a matter of Evernote's priorities. The fact that their priorities don't necessarily align with yours is something you'll have to learn to live with.

Just in case you may not know. The linux clone version Everpad, has this feature. Resize image while keeping its size, no quality lost.

 

I guest Evernote use html as its back end display. If so, the dev should let user to edit the html code of the note, that would allow power users to fix the notes themselves. A lot of requests for features would be addressed as users could edit the code to suit their need.

The minute EN would make their ENML easily edited by the masses is the minute they start getting all kinds of support tickets b/c someone munged up their really important note.   As Jeff pointed out, there is a third party option for those who choose to use it.

It's always easy for users to say "the linux client/Egretlist/Clever/etc does this so it should be easy for EN to implement."  The difference is most third party apps answer only to one OS.  EN aims for feature parity across all platforms/devices (not that they are there, but it's a goal) and must insure features they add work well across all platforms.

It would be great if EN had the ability to create some kind of organizational hierarchy beyond the klutzy and limited stack concept.

That's unfortunate. I assumed that EN addressed these limitations with the business edition. I think it's going to be a hard sell for all but the smallest and simplest business groups.

As someone who has used EN for over four years, has accumulated over 56,000 notes & uses EN in one form of another pretty much every waking hour (certainly every hour I'm on a computer), I find it odd (and naive) that some people refer to this as "klutzy" & "limited". The traditional nested folder concept is truly klutzy & limiting, especially the more files/notes you accumulate.

I want also to put one note into multiple notebooks. I have reviewed previous discussion on this, and the general advice is to use tags. Getting beyond the multiple issues associated with tags (taxonomy gets really complicated with multiple tags over a period of time), having one note in multiple notebooks simplifies sharing, such as a public notebook and a private one.

Hope you can consider doing this, just as photo sharing sites allow one pix to be associated with multiple albums!!

Nick

Yup, tags are the way to go. A note resides in only one notebook. Doubtful EN will change this any time soon, if ever, as I'd guess it's a major overhaul & (again) tags do pretty much the same thing with the exception of sharing, offline and/or local notebooks. And I'm guessing those exceptions are what they are because of the infrastructure of the database, so again, major overhaul.

You may find this thread helpful, if you've not read it before.

multiply per user and you can watch the total per platform then re-read about the great investement

Please stop. It does no good to continue to debate whether or not it's worth EN's time/money to make a linux client. As has been stated many, many, many times already in this thread, EN has chosen to not do a linux client. Period. End of story.

I agree, sorting is needed at the content level.

Three different lists as well as tables are supported, but basic products often omit sorting, to me an obvious need. Note and notebook sorting is supported, so sort algorithms exist in the product. It doesn't seem too big a jump to apply them to content.

It's easier for me to stick with a product that sorts and manually solve the "notebook" problem with the file system, than to jump to Evernote and manually solve the sequence problem. BTW, there is no export to excel or other application; the best you can do is copy/paste. None of the other suggestions are feasible for my list needs.

As is, it is typical of low-end text processors...sadly.

Evernote does not strive to be a "text" processor.

And you can export to HTML, which is really the best way for notes that may contain images, files, etc.

Yes, but I don't like them. I am using Tags as much as possible but find them less useful than nested folders. All I am asking for is one, just one, more level of nested folders. It will make EN so much more useful. Pleeease can I have them.. Pretty please... I am begging here..

Asked & answered many times over. Advice is...

Nested notebooks is a long-standing request. Evernote has chosen not to offer it as a feature (though you can put multiple notebooks into stacks). For the time being at least, it would probably be better to try to come to terms with tagging as an organization tool.

Of course my bigger gripe is the lack of image editing. I am saving huge scanned images totally unnecessarily. It eats my expensive bandwidth, consumes my EN allowance and simply means that synching takes longer. It takes a long time anyway. I really have no need for 2Mb snap shots of things filling up my account. I would have through EN would be happy to have less server space taken up with redundant data.. This has surprised me from the start.

Thomas

Also asked & answered many times over. There are many workarounds so your huge images don't need to chew up your upload limit. (In a nutshell - edit before uploading.) Evernote is a cloud service. They really don't care if you add five copies of a huge photo of your dog. (It's not their job to care what you upload.) Their job is to store all five copies, if that's what you elect to do.

Nothing new to see here.

meanwhile, back onto the subject of nested notebooks ...

I'm pretty sure we are/were still on the topic of nested notebooks.

I have a seriously complex folder structure as a result which means I have to scroll through many folders to try to find the document I need.

Which is *exactly* why Evernote's recommended method of using tags is much more flexible than the nested folder system. IMO/IME, having to use nested folders is more & more of a limiting factor the more files/notes you have.

jefito,

Did you not read the posts?

Did the posts show bad attitude? Just sayin. In particular, some posts in the sync thread a day or so ago, but in this thread...

There are others, but I think these three answer all of your points. Take it or leave it was also included.

I see that you were even quoted in the last sentence below. Interesting quote from a previous rebuttal, I suppose.

*The statements below are quotes from other poster(s), and not my opinion/attitude at all.*

Funny b/c it really doesn't matter what "Those of you who think tags are a better solution" think. What matters is how Evernote functions.

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No one is forcing you to do anything. This is a software app. It does what it does. IME, we often have to adjust our thinking/workflows to adapt to software b/c no app is going to do everything that everyone wants. If it works for you then great. Otherwise, don't use it. (shrug)

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The way EN has functioned since it's introduction in early 2008 up to & including today is no sub/nested notebooks. It doesn't appear this will change any time soon. As for me, I find EN invaluable and prefer to spend my time using as it is (and really, I've yet to find a use care where tags don't function similarly to sub notebooks) rather than boycott/protest a feature that may or may not ever appear. If an app works for me, great. If not, I go find one that will. As Jefito says, that's why there's chocolate & vanilla.

And if you think sub notebooks are so invaluable, why would you possibly need to try to get those who are ok w/o subnotebooks to support your request?

*The statements above are quotes from other poster(s), and not my opinion/attitude at all.*

First, you do a terrible job of quoting. You don't even include the links.

Second, exactly what is untrue about what I've posted?

Third, you seem to be saying I have a bad attitude. My attitude is realistic. You can yammer all day long about what you think EN should/could do. But at the end of the day, it does what it does. So yes, if it works for you, then great. If it doesn't, you would be better served to find an app that does. If I said anything else, it would be misleading.

Don't try to force us to use a method that we aren't used to using and have no interest in learning. Many of us want subnested notebooks, and I'd love it if you'd re-consider your position and just add it.

No one is forcing you to do anything. This is a software app. It does what it does. IME, we often have to adjust our thinking/workflows to adapt to software b/c no app is going to do everything that everyone wants. If it works for you then great. Otherwise, don't use it. (shrug)

OK. Good point. Maybe my words were a bit harsh. My apologies.

My point is simply - why not include both functionalities, thereby making everyone happy with minimal effort required on their part? What's the harm in that?

I can't speak to it but I'd guess it's a technical issue. EN lives on many platforms - that's their niche. That's what attracted many of us to EN to begin with. Personally, I've grown tired of migrating my notes from Sharp Wizard to Handspring to Palm. When I got my first iPhone is when I migrated from Palm to EN. I'm hoping I won't have to migrate from EN to anything else for a very long time, if ever. Seriously...how many apps live on all the platforms EN does? I suspect they may have restricted sub notebooks in order to make their app work well across all the platforms. This is all speculation. None of us who are only users can really say how easy a particular feature is to implement.

Don't try to force us to use a method that we aren't used to using and have no interest in learning. Many of us want subnested notebooks, and I'd love it if you'd re-consider your position and just add it.

No one is forcing you to do anything. This is a software app. It does what it does. IME, we often have to adjust our thinking/workflows to adapt to software b/c no app is going to do everything that everyone wants. If it works for you then great. Otherwise, don't use it. (shrug)

It seems like this feature will never happen. The Evernote developers don't say anything about this anymore and the "Evernote Evangelists" are just acting like Evernote should never ever change and every missing feature is just a useless toy for a handful "nerds".

I am missing LaTeX support in Evernote and characterizing it as a "nerd"-feature is not a way to excuse its absence. Putting your notes in a digital form into the cloud is already a very nerdy approach and therefore we should welcome such additional "nerd"-features.

Currently Evernote is not working as a note-taking application for mathematics and I think a good note-taking application should be able to handle every kind of noteworthy content.

Oh, please. You are absolutely wrong that the evangelists thing EN should never change. Please re-read & comprehend the posts.

The fact that you are "missing LaTeX support in Evernote: is no more important than many other users' "missing features". The likelihood of Evernote incorporating every users' feature request is zero. EN makes their choices based on several factors including difficulty of implementing across all the platforms EN lives on, ROI and priority. Some users will always be unhappy/disappointed.

Evernote is the last program keeping me tied down to windows. Come on!

Nothing new to see here. Please read this thread for your options.

I too need the functionality of sub-notebooks. As a project management consultant I work for many companies and have clients under those companies who have various projects. Evernote has become significantly less useful without this ability. While your search capabilities are fast it is an extra step requiring time to go off task and search. Poor decision by the board! Evernote needs to become more in touch with your users.

This topic has been discusssed here at length. Please use the Search function.

In EN you can create STACKS which can hold notebooks. With Stacks you can probably accomplish what you want to do. You can read about Stacks here.

Thinking for some time on HOW you are going to organize your notes (and tags) is time well spent and will also help to find them later with ease.

BTW, not sure what you mean about "poor decision by the board". This is a users board. EN decisions are made by EN owners & top tier management. Not this message board. (Pretty standard company stuff.)

but I am much more comfortable with nested notebooks in a project stack.

And that is exactly what people need to overcome. Really. Let go of folders/sub-folders. It's brilliant. Tags let you do the same thing.

Am I correct that this cannot be done? If so, it is a deal-breaker. Imagine your computer operating system not allowing you to nest folders more than one level?

Although I'm PC, the more notes/images/documents I acquire, I've found the folder system to be very, very limiting. Jefito's 'red, round ball' is a perfect example, IMO.

"Easy example. I have a red ball. Using a strictly hierarchical classification system, where does that ball go? In the tree under Toys? Under Things That Are Round? Or maybe under Things That Are Red? I don't think that this fits nicely into a tree structure, yet it seems perfectly suited for tags (e.g., "red", "round", "toy"). "

People like to say that the tag system works better if you have only a few notes & that you need sub notebooks if you have a lot of notes. IMO & IME, the reverse is true. The more notes you have the more limiting/prohibitive/harder-to-find-what-you're-looking-for a nested folder system is.

Well, currently I'm using Duplicate Files Deleter to find & delete duplicate files. It's pretty effective with multiple settings on how thorough you want to be and it categorizes the results.

Does this have anything to do with Evernote? Evernote for WIndows stores its content in a database, rather than individual files, so it's likely not to be too effective for the problem described here.

Yup, Jeff's right. A duplicate file finder is not going to help anyone find duplicate notes in Evernote.

I agree with lpr completely. This issue would simply go away if there were no folder limits. If it costs more to provide them, just charge a fair price. That's what all online storage services do anyway. I really, really, really, don't get why there is a folder limit when there is all that storage space available. All these workarounds with tagging, etc., do not address how my company needs to work. It's no doubt my own fault.... a lack of research on my part....but I got my whole company involved in using Evernote without realizing we were going to reach a folder limit. Sharing folders is critical to our sales team which is spread out up and down the coast. After researching some other options, we had decided on Evernote BECAUSE we could share folders. We experimented with the tagging for a while at first, but being able to share a folder proved to be the only way that actually works for us. Now...suddenly...we can't create any more shared folders. I admit...My bad. So sadly...goodbye Evernote...hello DropBox.....or whatever the best equivilant is.

Comparing Evernote to Dropbox is comparing oranges to apples. They are similar in that they are cloud services. Other than that, they are different. Evernote is a database of notes & since I'm guessing it would require a major overhaul of all the existing Evernote clients & the service, it may well be that to cover their costs, they would have to charge something like several hundred dollars a year rather than $45 (or free for most users.)

but I also wouldn't tell the people who want those features to just live with it the way it is because I recognize their needs are different that mine.

Well, I don't know what you expect then. This is a user's forum & we don't write this code. We don't control Evernote's priority list. So there really is no other answer other than for us to tell you to use a work around or adapt & use the software as it is or find something else. It's really that simple. Anything else would be misleading, unfair and/or a lie. It's that way with every piece of software, that is not your own code. If it doesn't work for you, then you either adapt or find another app.

And additionally, why is it so bad to ask software developers for new features?

Please point out where anyone has told you it's bad to ask for new features. I'm pretty sure no one did.

I didn't mean to imply that I'm unhappy with Evernote. I LOVE Evernote

I agree with you that Evernote is great.

I have grown to be a huge fan of Evernote over the last several months but I agree with the OP and many others that this feature is needed. I dont use tags for organizational purposes, I use them for relational purposes. I'd like to see the nesting of notbooks added so I can orgainze my notes as I see fit. I agree that using tags is a nice workaround, but it is just that, a workaround. Evernote, please add this feature, its the only thing keeping Evernote from being perfect to me.

Those of you who think tags are a better solution:

I'd ask you what hurt it would be to have the additional flexability to have nested notebooks (more than one level deep). You would presumably still be able to use tags if you prefer, so why not support this additional flexability for those of us who prefer to organize differently than you?

Thanks,

Marshall

Funny b/c it really doesn't matter what "Those of you who think tags are a better solution" think. What matters is how Evernote functions. The way EN has functioned since it's introduction in early 2008 up to & including today is no sub/nested notebooks. It doesn't appear this will change any time soon. As for me, I find EN invaluable and prefer to spend my time using as it is (and really, I've yet to find a use care where tags don't function similarly to sub notebooks) rather than boycott/protest a feature that may or may not ever appear. If an app works for me, great. If not, I go find one that will. As Jefito says, that's why there's chocolate & vanilla.

And if you think sub notebooks are so invaluable, why would you possibly need to try to get those who are ok w/o subnotebooks to support your request?

And no, premium accounts cannot make sub notebooks. As Wern said, stacks, notebooks & tags are the way to organize your notes in Evernote & there is already a lot of discussion on the topic on the board.

Please note that the OCRing occurs on the EN servers. Premium users have priority. You need to make sure you've uploaded your image to the EN servers, allowed sufficient time for them to process & then sync again to get the indexing down to your desktop/mobile client. Additionally, it's not an exact science. Indexing words in images produces a tree of possibilities rather than one word for one word. So the word 'house' may show up when searching for the word 'horse'.

I agree. Spell check is horrible, the worst I've seen. I'm using Win7 PC.

EN doesn't know that

• waht = what (EN suggests "wast" - IS WAST EVEN A WORD?)
  
• teh = the (EN suggests tea!)
  
• arent = aren't (EN suggests Aretha!)
  

Really? What is wrong with this company?

It seems like the simplest words are the hardest for it to understand. Are the programmers non-English speakers? Are they illiterate?

Otherwise EN is a fine product.

Would EN benefit if users sent in a list of problem words so they could fix them.

A 12 year old child should be able to figure these out.

This post is so filled with irony... I can hardly stand it.