BurgersNFries

Additionally, you can use tags to replicate sub notebook functionality. As Wern said, this has already been discussed at great length on the board.

I think what concerns me about your statement of facts is that it could be read as "Look, EN works the way it works today and if you don't like it, stop using it." That is bad for everyone including EN. Forums are for suggestions and complaints as much as they are for help and praise.

Geez, do we really have to keep going around & around in this circle??? I guess you failed to overlook my initial comment on the subject in this thread::

However, if nested notebooks is a deal breaker for you, then EN is not the product for you.

First, please point out where I said no one should post suggestions or complaints.

Second, yeah, as I've said multiple times before, if the way Evernote works today is a deal breaker for you, then yes, you should find another app. Trying to "force" someone to use Evernote as it is today, when a particular feature is a deal breaker for them is not only dishonest (IMO) but also probably futile. Users are presented with workarounds. They can choose to adopt them or not. It's their choice. So we're back to...if it's a deal breaker for you... And I think Evernote would agree with that.

If you are so set on nested notebooks that this is a deal breaker for you, then you should find another app.

Fine. If this is a deal breaker for you, then Evernote is clearly not for you. (shrug) To use Jefito's phrase, "That's why there's chocolate & vanilla."

So if this is a deal breaker or makes you uncomfortable with using the system, then Evernote may not be the right tool for you.

If this is a deal breaker for OP, then OP should look for another app.

To point out just few because, (to reiterate):

Or it could be as simple as priorities... We just don't know.

In the end, speculation by any of us is futile. EN is what it is & they don't post roadmaps or ETAs. So deal with it or find another app. Simple as that.

And saying: 'Evernote is unlikely to ever support nested notes...blah blah) is very true. But it should be backed up with: 'Here is Evernote's statement to date on nested notes'.

Or....if users want to see the "official" replies from EN, THEY can just search the board, just like GM did... But...they usually don't.

I hope others' replies are like yours.Their "you should do it this way" really make me upset sometimes.

I'm not a person who don't accept advises. I appreciate people like @jbenson2 and @JMichael who try to gave us a workaround.

Although their workarounds sometimes does not meet my need, I still thank them.

I already changed my way of arranging notes a lot and I spent hours on it.

Sometimes it's really a pain to make my notes suit for my workflow.

And lack of feature on some platform made it worse.

I just come to asking for what I need and keep seeing people says " You are wrong, you are reluctant to change, you are not not sophisticated enough to learn how to use tags". It's like pouring oil on the flame.

Please stop "quoting" generically (and incorrectly, I might add). The bottom line, as I said above is...

Or it could be as simple as priorities... We just don't know.

In the end, speculation by any of us is futile. EN is what it is & they don't post roadmaps or ETAs. So deal with it or find another app. Simple as that.

Those are cold, hard facts. I'm sorry if the facts make you upset. But it would seem it's best to face them rather than for other board users to lead people on by saying, "yes, I'm sure someday that EN will add feature X so just stick with them.", which would also be untruthful, since none of us (users) know what will or will not be added.

i'd bet 3 of my favourite notes that multiple notebook levels are not implemented in the next 2 years if ever. No inside information, but it's clearly not the way that the app is architected and the cost of changing that architecture and implementing across all the clients would be very very high. The existing model is proving phenomenally successful, in their shoes I wouldn't change it either.

I agree. IMO, stacks were the answer to sub-notebooks. I'd guess most coders who've been coding for very many years have been in a situation where Bossman says "can you do X?" and they say, "not without a new team and a year or two of restructuring". So Bossman says "give me a Plan B". IMO, stacks were Plan B. And if sub-stacks or sub-notebooks were easy/fairly easy/somewhat easy to implement across all the platforms, with all the clamoring, I think they would have been implemented by now. Case in point...the infamous & elusive "due date". That's surely got to be easier to implement across all platforms than sub/nested stacks/notebooks...??? And yet... Personally, I think someone at EN anticipated problems with nested/sub notebooks from the get go when they were migrating from EN the Windows payware to EN the cloud service that will live on many OSs & that's why they focused on tags. (Very forward thinking for that time, too, when pretty much anytime you moved to a new device, you had to get new apps & export/import existing notes/data/contacts, unless you stuck with say, Palm..) IME tags definitely serve the purpose. People are just reluctant to change. (Just like my mom never adapted to cooking fresh green beans in a microwave & continued to cook them to death on the stove.)

Or it could be as simple as priorities... We just don't know.

In the end, speculation by any of us is futile. EN is what it is & they don't post roadmaps or ETAs. So deal with it or find another app. Simple as that.

Once again, Dropbox and Evernote solve different problems. I use them both, every day.

Ditto that.

You mixed several hierarchical system. In fact, you can find them if you put them right there.

Your problem is on classification, not on the system.

Besides, I use hierarchical system but I don't use it alone.

I use search box to find what I need, then I use hierarchical system to see what's relative.

I gave different examples. I don't understand your concept of "mixing several hierarchical systems". Nor do I understand your statement "then I use hierarchical system to see what's relative". The more data you have, the more places you have to dig around to find the data. And you've pretty much agreed with that when you say you use a search box to find what you need. Unless you dump them into one big folder/notebook & use tags to find the data. Oh wait, that's what Evernote's all about!

Well, I was trained to think with a hierarchical system. So maybe it's my blind spot. But I still think hierarchical system is the most efficient way to process massive data. Essays, books, libraries, computer files, and hard drive clusters all uses hierarchical system. It's not easy to make people like me to arrange their thoughts in another way. Without a proper structure, things look like a mess to me.

The reality is that the more data you have, the less efficient a strict hierarchical system becomes. I learned this before even using Evernote b/c I have so much data spread across so many hard drives. I was often having to look through a few Windows folders in order to find a file. I finally started using Locate32 which allows me to quickly find a file, regardless which drive & folder it's in.

A simple example is images/photos. If I'm looking for a photo of Uncle Joe in San Diego, is it in the "family" folder? Or the "San Diego vacation 1999" folder? Or the "San Diego vacation 1997" folder? Or the "San Diego marathon" folder?

What a pain it would be to locate an ebook if it was only in one category? Is it filed under "fiction"? "Best sellers?" By title? By author?

Any comments from EN on this? cheers

EN reads all the posts on the board but does not comment on them all. Nor do they publish their roadmap or ETAs. The most you usually get is a "thank you for the suggestion".

But I have to not only find things, but also knowing where things should be in an organized structure.

Which is where tags shine.

If you're on Windows & want a tag cloud, check out Tag Hunter. I don't like tag clouds but he added a list view, too. I've found the list view very helpful when I forget exactly what a tag name is or where I nested that tag.

This seems to be a clear case of "The Programmers" telling "The Users" how they have to think versus "The Programmers" listening to "The Users" and creating multiple ways to achieve the same desired outcome based upon how their users THINK.

They are not telling you how to think. They have a product & it works a certain way. If this doesn't work for you, you're free to use another app. No one is forcing you to use EN.

I'd guess the tag vs sub notebook system has something to do with making the app function well across all the platforms EN lives on. But I don't know & it really doesn't matter. It's their company & their decision & I'm sure there's a good reason they've chosen to implement it this way. Tags provide the same functionality. If sub notebooks are a deal breaker for you, then you will need to find another app.

@BurgersNFries: Well, this thread has been alive since January and people keep posting to it.

As have other threads on other features that other people want. (Highlighting, due dates, image rotation, ability to color the background of notes, better text editing, Linux client, etc, etc, etc.)

Regardless of whether it's been covered before, having Evernote staff respond would be nice. Speaking for myself, all I'd love to hear is that it's on the radar and a ballpark on when it might get slotted in with all of the other features they're working on.

As Jeff said (and has been mentioned on the board many, many times), Evernote does not publish their road map and/or ETAs. Pretty much the best thing you'll get is "thank you for the suggestion" or a similar variation.

Why doesn't anyone from the Evernote product management team respond to this?

Yes, that was my thought as well. I'm wondering if the Product Management team reviews the forum at all - I think I've seen them respond to other posts so I'm pretty sure they do. I'm a little puzzled why they haven't made any comment yet ... seems like there are a lot of people that really want this feature.

Since you apparently missed the post just above yours...

Why doesn't anyone from the Evernote product management team respond to this?

* Maybe because this is actually a user forum, and while Evernote staff do appreciate suggestions, they don't necessarily respond to all of them

* Maybe because this issue has been discussed elsewhere in these forums, and they have commented on it in those other discussions

That really doesn't make any sense. Merging them is an afterthought and can be too time consuming. It would be great to clip a note on a webpage and be able to "send to" or "append" an existing note, rather than create a totally new note. Feature request?

Sure, it might be neat to add to an existing note. But is it really that much of a big deal having to merge notes...??? No.

(Speaking of trolls...)

@2dvsio: You claimed that it's easy, but evidently it's not worth it for you to make one yourself. That's exactly the sort of calculation that Evernote goes through as well.

With the difference that if I had a Linux client I will most likely pay for a Premium account. And, well, those money goes to Evernote, not to me.

Not really sure what point you're trying to make here. You're a programmer. You think it's easy to make a linux client. So if you want to do one, fine. If not, then as Jeff said, that's pretty much the decision EN came to as well. (For whatever reason(s)). If you're feeling magnanimous, you can always donate any money you would charge to EN. Although they may not accept "donations", I'm sure you could buy premium accounts for you & several of your friends with any money you would get from your app.

For the record, baumgar does NOT charge & prefers donations to charities. That's pretty special, if you ask me.

So why Evernote is not supporting it or backing it in an informal way?

Providing a laptop/money to the developer or for example premium accounts to developers that helps him.

You'll see that you'll have some talented guys appearing if you offer some kind of perks.

Why? Who knows? Probably for the same reason they decided to not make their own linux client in the first place. And the EN folks are pretty darned talented themselves. But since you're so big into thinking the linux client should be supported financially, I will repost GM's post that has links to where YOU can donate/contribute to the linux client.

For those of you who don't know, baumgarr has a publicly shared Evernote notebook (https://www.evernote...mgarr/nevernote), a website (http://nevernote.sourceforge.net), and some information about how you can help support his project (http://nevernote.sou...information.htm), which amounts mainly to donations of your time to the project and/or donations to charities in lieu of direct support. Pretty cool, if you ask me, and definitely something worth supporting.

It's not just you - I see a lot of this in the evernote forum, where "I'm right and your wrong." I'ts a shame because this energy could be spent trying to collaboratively solve problems. If your open to that sort of discussion, I'd welcome the dialog.

Actually, there is not a lot of "I'm right and [you're] wrong" around here - at least by most of the regulars. What is basically reiteration of what Evernote has stated in the past does seem to be taken by some (you?) that way, though. However, if you truly read the posts, you'll see we are not saying feature ___ is bad - just that EN is probably not going to incorporate it soon, if ever. And as has been stated countless times in this thread & others, it's doubtful EN will add nested notebooks (there are no folders in Evernote) anytime soon, if ever, it's best to just bite the bullet & learn to use tags instead of nested notebooks. It's doable. Really. And once you get a huge number of notes, you'll likely find tags much more flexible. However, if nested notebooks is a deal breaker for you, then EN is not the product for you.

I'm adding my voice to the request. Linux users shouldn't be shunned by software companies. Be nice and contribute.

Pretty much every company has to work within their resources in order to stay successful. The fact that they did not develop a linux client doesn't mean you are shunned. Just that they are prioritizing things in order to remain successful. A company owes that to their existing customer/clients.

In addition to what GM said, if you read the posts directly above yours, there IS a linux client but not put out by EN. Since it's open source you can either contribute your coding expertise and/or your $$$.

At least it saves on typing, eh?

Great attitude. You realise some people don't live on these forums and land on this page via a search engine?

Also worth noting that a much greater number of people these days use multiple operating systems and multiple devices. Linux is particularly useful on older systems. So I can use EN on my PC, Mac, iPad and Droid phone with a proper application (and they're all great), but have to use the crappy web interface on my Linux machine.

Apologies for the anger, but I love EN and find it very frustrating that this situation exists, although I do understand the economics of the problem.

All the poster had to do was read what the last post was before he posted. (That's pretty much common "netitquette", regardless how someone ends up on this or any message board..) If that's a hardship, I think the lack of a linux client is the least of his/her issues.

At least it saves on typing, eh?

srsly, i'm a paid customer, and i use linux system, also i'm tired use web evernote, its not easy to switch around these tabs , programs, also i close alot by accidents. please give us native linux version!

Any future plans to release a Linux (ubuntu) client? As a Premium member, it would make my membership worthwhile. Thanks.

(sigh)

Search the forum and you will see that Evernote have said that they are not going to build a Linux client.

They have an API for the service and so you are free to write your own if you are so inclined...

Regarding the first one, I have not experienced a huge difference between Dropbox and Evernote. I do think Dropbox downloads the PDFs a little more quickly over wifi. However, if you make a PDF offline in Evernote, it will load more quickly. Both use the same Apple PDF viewer to display the PDFs, so the results are identical. At least, that is waht I am seeing. Maybe I am misunderstanding you.

This has nothing to do with online or offline. I don't have a subscription and still a PDF that you've downloaded will stay cached in your local database.

If you access a PDF and then turn WiFi off, you can still access it, even after quitting Evernote.

The PDF viewer is just slow and I'd appreciate if they'd make it faster and directly display the PDF if that's the only content of a note (as is the case in the majority of my notes).

I'll check out the dropbox app though.

Online/offline most certainly has a bearing on the subject. Recent notes are cached. Cached being the operative word. When something is cached, it may well be gone the next time you want it if the cache was used for something else.

It's doubtful EN will implement nested notebooks any time soon, if ever. As GM & Candid pointed out, you should learn to use tags. There are already plenty of threads on the board on the topic. Please use the search function. IMO, tags are much better than nested notebooks, especially when you have very many notes.

It seems like a smart design decision, and I like it, but I think it would be nice if users had the option to overide the algorithm in a note. Hopefully, the developers will consider this in future updates.

I disagree. It may be "smart" from a technical point of view, but not of a users point of view.

There is very little correlation between the image size and what image is the most important, or most relevant, to the user.

On top of that, the thumbnail often crops the image in the middle, making it almost unrecognizable.

Don't see anything "smart" about this.

Choosing the first image whose width and height are both greater than that used for borders would be "smart", as well a give the user control over which image is used for the thumbnail.

It works pretty well from this user's point of view. The images chosen are appropriate, and even when cut-off (as they must be to fit within the constraints of the snippet view), they are perfectly recognizable.The designers must have done something right if the results work so well a lot of the time (for this user, at least), so I'll stick with calling the current implementation "smart." It would be "smarter," of course, if they added the ability to override the existing algorithm

Additionally, most people who have created/designed apps have made choices that seemed good at the time & later realize it may not have been. Reversing such choices may not always be an easy task. I have no idea whether EN has had any second thoughts on this choice. Nor do I care, b/c personally, I have no issue with the thumbnails. But I do think it's a waste of time to rag on the devs for choices they have made & applying each individual user's idea of what is easy/smart to something they really have no clue about, which is why the decision was made & why/how it affects all the platforms EN lives on.

Any future plans to release a Linux (ubuntu) client? As a Premium member, it would make my membership worthwhile. Thanks.

(sigh)

Search the forum and you will see that Evernote have said that they are not going to build a Linux client.

They have an API for the service and so you are free to write your own if you are so inclined...