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  1. I consider Evernote's "freemium" model to be a better and more workable version of shareware.  Shareware suffered when people tried it and never paid.  As it stands now, Evernote lets people try it for free and if they sign up that's awesome but if not instead of kicking them to the curb they let them tag along at a reduced featureset.

     

    So, how many companies are like this?  I've signed up for hundreds of services over the years and I can't off the top of my head recall any that let me continue past the initial trial.

     

    All this free service they give to those who don't go premium still cost them!  They are paying data storage, connectivity fees, peripheral costs like electricity, and as GrumpyMonkey said - livlihoods for I don't know how many hundreds of employees.  This stuff costs and they have been letting you keep your information on their system for free - I don't see the gripe.

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  2. I'll speak for myself but suspect Fraserd is of a similar mind.  For me I am feeling an overwhelming sense of dread about Evernote.  [in perspective, I'm not going to jump off a bridge over a program but with respect to that program only.]  I looked at old change logs and found only bugfixes, business features, an update to work with their overpriced Evernote Scanner, and minor changes.  Nothing major has changed for the "Average Joe" user out there for a long time.  Now with others climbing the pile to get to the top it is looking like a death knell for Evernote if they don't get back to the innovation and improvements that got them here.

     

    I wish only the best for Evernote and never thought it would be "second fiddle" but it's not looking good for them.  Just look here in the forums beyond the ever-present whiners and you will see some legitimate concerns being brought by even their most loyal followers.

     

    I would love to hear what Evernote's strategy is.  What I am deducing from outward appearances is not encouraging.  I know they don't talk about specific features but even a believable statement of direction would do wonders.  Something like "We're going to get this Business thing going full force and then we will circle back to adopt some of the suggestions our individual premium users have been wanting for a long time." would help.

     

    Yes, EN has their own strategy and priorities but when paying customers by the ?'s complain about the lame editor, for instance, you have to wonder why they haven't improved on it.  I personally find the editor quite adequate but it just seems EN is non-responsive to their users, more so as they grow.

     

    I hope I'm wrong and I hope they get through this and do make it to be a 100 year company!


  3. I don't know why EN decided not to include this tiny little feature of EASILY clearing checked off notes, if your going to make a robust note keeping software you gotta include the little details that's what keeps someone using it, but when I as a user run into situations that pull your hair out like this I look elsewhere because its not a complete tool.  I look for tools that are comprehensive and simple...  that's useful  It's getting a lot of attention because overal EN is fantastic, why hold it up from being awesome....gonna look into "keep" by google

     

    That's the whole point of Evernote, though, to be a "robust note keeping software".  The genesis of EN is to "Remember Everything", not to create a note that things disappear from when completed.  Granted, that feature would be useful to many, but it's not the scope of what EN was created to do.  For someone like me who needs a place to store things because my memory stinks, EN is awesome, to-do list or not.  I have other tools for to-do's.  Evernote is where I put things to remember and retrieve, not my task lists.

     

    As a "Remember Everything" tool I'm quite content with there being no changes to my notes that I don't specifically do... even to the point of moving checked tasks to the bottom.  Realize, not everyone wants to use EN the same way and for the guy that's doing certain tasks to reorder or remove them when checked is not going to work.

     

    I'm not picking on you Ken, yours was just the closest expression of the sentiment to my reply.  Unfortunately, no matter how many people want a certain feature there are always others, most of whom the first group never knows about, that don't want it and someone has to make the decision.  Personally I feel that EN has done a pretty good job of sticking to the original goal and has given us some good features to do that.  Not everyone is perfectly matched to those features, but if they did what is suggested by the OP's requirements then I, and many others, would be equally disappointed.  

     

    Remember, a Jaguar is not well suited to hauling dirt but no one complains to them about their small cargo space. (At least I hope not!)   :)   

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  4. Heather brings to light the point I was thinking as I read through this thread. Sometimes things change as steps to new versions.  In my own work I have in the past had to remove one feature temporarily to implement a new one just because of the complexity of how they interact.  Then after the feature being demanded by my users is in place I can work on re-integrating the "lost" feature.

     

    Unfortunately it causes some users who rely on that feature pain.  To the number of users wanting reminders, we must add the number of those who want all versions to be in sync.  I feel that this is a goal of Evernote where possible and perhaps the Top List View was a short-term casualty of keeping them together.  I know the frustration when "the other platform" gets a feature I would love to use and can't because it's not on my platform yet.  

     

    Remember, a software business like Evernote is a delicate house of cards and compromises and sometimes they have to let part collapse to save the whole.  It's not fair, and it's not nice, and it's not good business for those who love the missing feature, but it is sometimes necessary for the company wellbeing.

     

    I am nothing more than a happy Evernote user - nothing I say should be taken as how Evernote really functions ;)


  5. ZZZ, your statement of posting politely is undone by calling out, in a personal nature, the work of someone who has done a ton of good in these forums. A polite discussion would have stuck to the pros and cons of increasing the number of notebooks.

    Let's all tone it back and keep it to the issues and not personal attacks against each other or Evernote... It's much easier to get things done that way.


  6. I'm curious about your tagging system and how eight tags applied to a single note and still have meaning. I have four or five tags on some of my notes and even at that I feel like I'm just adding tags to add tags. It seems like with that many tags it would be hard to discern the meaning from them. How are you using your tags? Maybe someone will have some suggestions without needing that many tags.

    There has to be a limit to what we expect from Evernote and that many tags, each with many characters in them, is probably not going to be possible due to screen real estate. On a 15 inch laptop you can't see all of the programs on windows in the System Tray or all of the menu bar items on a Mac. There's just not enough room for all of that.


  7. I take spells of organizing. I will usually go for a month without sorting what I have but there comes a time when the mess "bugs" me and I'll put things in the right folders/tags/etc. You are right - folder or not Evernote just finds things!

    Thanks for taking the time to write this. There are a lot of articles here about the 16 levels of organization that people use and it's good to see someone else saying how well EN works with zero organization. All we have to do is remember to put it in and learn how to search (advanced search helps!) and it works for us too!


  8. We do this where I work. We happen to have a separate company-only premium account but you could do as Grumpy says and use a shared folder from one person's account.

    For us we have a company account that has a KnowledgeBase notebook shared with all users giving permission. I can from my account create new notes, etc. The only thing I can't do is create new tags - the main account has to do that. I've not checked it lately but that used to be the case.


  9. Thanks Grumpy.

    I only use English text but your settings definitely do apply. In fact, I did my own testing and ended up with almost the exact same conclusions. The only difference is that much of what I scan is crumpled receipts or things like my electric bill which is printed in almost-black on yellow paper so I opted for grayscale as the default. B&W is just a bit too unforgiving for most of what I scan.

    If anyone else is looking for the best scan settings I'd say start with Grumpy's settings and adjust to meet your specific needs.

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  10. I had that turned on in previous versions but can't for the life of me find it in EN 5. I'm sure it's somewhere obvious. I also didn't know, or forgot, that it applied at the notebook level.

    Thanks for the tip, Jeff!

    (Jim wanders off mumbling about getting old and forgetting all he used to know...)


  11. I have several notebooks for different things - work, programming, my homeowners association, medical, etc. The difficulty for me is that the "HOA-Water" tag is next to "How To-C#" and that's near "Heart Test". These are made up but you get the idea. My tags are jumbled together and although I can group them, I'd rather not see "Water Bill", or even the "parent tags" when dealing with my health notebook.

    My suggestion is to have an option (must be optional!) to filter tags by notebook. If I'm in the Health notebook I'd like to be able to turn off the "Water Bill" and "Instantiation" tags and just have the health-related ones show up.

    I understand it's not a trivial thing to do but wanted to put it on the table as something I would find useful and perhaps others would too.

    I understand some of you think I shouldn't use tags and others think that about notebooks, but this is how it works for me so "don't judge me!" :) Seriously, let's not get into why I do it the way I do and just examine the suggestion at face value.

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  12. I also would recommend against so much categorizing. You mentioned one possibility of "Tutorials", "Blog Posts", "Interesting Techniques". I always get myself in trouble like that because I end up saving an interesting technique in a tutorial that is in a blog post :). The question I always ask myself is "is this level of detail necessary when I'm looking for a way to do X?" It helps me keep it somewhat generic and to let Evernote search do the work.

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  13. This is why I built my system in three pieces - each leveraging it's strength.

    1. Evernote to remember everything - Resource File in GTD Terms.

    2. iCal / google calendar for time dependent reminders.

    3. Omnifocus for task management.

    For me Evernote is the best reference system but a lousy reminder or task list manager. I encourage you to find what works well for you and not try to force anyone else's system if it doesn't feel right.

    Best wishes finding your perfect system.

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  14. I notice a recurring pattern here in the forums. Certain people repeatedly participate in threads to say

    The developers are stupid,

    The developers hate and ignore us,

    The developers don't have a clue.

    (Oversimplified but that's the gist)

    Obviously with what, 35 million users, they are doing something right. A lot of us like what is happening and we don't even hear from most of the millions in some other countries so it seems from the vocal minority here in the forums that "everyone is upset". Of course everyone has an opinion but it is interesting to see some with the dogged "do it my way or you are dumb and I'm going to say so... Repeatedly... In the forums". Why not just state your opinions and let EN devs decide what they will and either adapt or leave. Repeating a point over and over by the same people here does little... They listen, but they also listen to other communication channels from other customers and usage stats that we never see.

    I think it is easy to think of our own opinion as what everyone thinks but EN is in a bunch of countries with a bunch of different users and different uses. In fact, the most common use case for EN may be something none of us in the forum would ever think of.

    I just wonder if you guys hound the companies that make your cars and TVs this much. :)


  15. @hvelez, I scanned about 100 documents in last night and they all have thumbs on the web and iPad. Mine are all PDFs and I had to wait a bit for them to fully sync and update on the screen. I can't see how the scanner would make a difference in the thumbnail Evernote makes with its notes. My understanding is that the thumbnail is something Evernote makes for us and not something the scanner does or does not do.

    What am I missing? Are you doing anything differently than I am? (like JPGs instead of PDFs)


  16. Hey gang. I'm running the 5.0.0 public beta 2 version and although I can't drag notes to tags I CAN drag tags to notes. I know this is not optimal, especially for multiple notes at once, but for that you can use the multi-tags Jackolicious mentions for that. You can also multi-select notes and then drag a tag to one of them to apply it to all selected notes.

    To see the list of tags so you can drag, make sure you View/Show Sidebar and in View/Sidebar Options choose to Show Tag List. There is also an option to Show Notebooks if you like that. It gets a bit large with Notebooks and/or Tags showing but for big sorting/classifying operations it's worth it to turn on for awhile.

    For my version you drag notes to notebooks or drag tags to notes.

    Hope it helps!

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  17. I like the new UI, but maybe I'm alone. It is good to see Evernote move forward, even with missteps, rather than being content with past success.

    I would advise you to be very careful though if you want to downgrade... even if you got the old version off a backup the database wouldn't be compatible since it was updated for v5. It may even lead to corruption so please wait to see if Evernote answers this before trying to hack together a downgrade.

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