Rblover69

Just wanted to say i truly loved Evernote, ( My team Primarily uses iPad Pros and thats how EN is engaged 24-7)  however the slow updates to improve the quality of the iPad Pro app and lack of answering the needs on Evernote Business ( Table Implementation on the iPad Pro is beyond horrible from desktop, for Pete sake the Apple Watch can record Audio in Evernote but not play it in its own player 🤦🏽‍♂️  ) is just becoming to much to deal with. As a team we loved EN possibility, its powerful ability to have everything in one app quick and simple and easy to share with spaces in teams. But every time we attempt to go all in the shortcomings of the platforms lack of updates arise. We are big users of workchat in spaces but its so horrid and a siloed section in the app ( not floating chat and not one that has a note/space ability on the fly ) sharing a space with clients is just insanity. We are huge Apple Pencil users for note taking and wanted to share those notes on the fly while editing them no matter where we are ...Evernotes Apple Pencil implementation is probably the worst i have seen. No lined pages no forever note taking and some of the worst ink i have seen to write down notes on lines i have seen since the iPad was released. The lack of refinement is the issue. Yes i see the videos of whats coming but its been years of these problems and at best we got Dark Mode???

Penultimate become a dead product not being updated for years. 

Apple Watch App is broken ( cannot play audio even captured from its own player )

Spaces hasn’t had a update to how you communicate with teams ( floating chat ) making it easier to share spaces and notes

Seeing updates of peers in spaces is horrible no notifications no understanding of who’s on what they did. 

Apple Pencil support terrible, no lined pages option and infinite page writing ability ( why differ to anything app when this can just be added just to want to sync back with Evernote)

Slow , Slow, Slow 

Table support on the iPad Pro is the WORST. Want to create a table .....horrible want to edit a table created on the Mac..on the iPad Pro. It’s probably the worst experience I have seen and its not even scaled to the resolution of the iPad Pro when attempting to edit a table. Just a lack of interest in user experience. 

Evernote has been a long standing fight for wanting updates from me. Now with the new Apple Notes update paying for Evernote business is becoming a chore for my team wanting these updates primarily utilizing iPad Pros to conduct business. We did a test iteration with the current notes and when the nested folders come with iPad OS along with the support for all the above mentioned and real time iCloud editing on shared notes with the team. Apple Pencil lined paged support etc OCR support etc. We just couldn't understand why Evernote waited this long to add more value. 

From a long time Evernote user for years and 6 business users in spaces migrating our thousands of notes as we speak to Apple Notes i bid you farewell and please update the damn iPad Pro app for future users. 

Stay Classy Elephant. 

4 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Yes, there are reasons. One is that iOS is completely sandboxed, which allows the interaction of apps only through narrowly defined channels („share button“). Another is that the mobile EN apps were designed to reduce memory load and CPU stress by doing most of the work on the EN server. Third iOS is lacking real multitasking capabilities - the processor has one high performance core, and several low energy ones, whereas a notebook CPU will have several full-power cores.

Now the iPads have dramatically improved, and with iPadOS the OS will move more in the direction of a full OS like MacOS. 

An app like EN will have to find it’s own way to translate this into its own capabilities. This may be more difficult than for younger competitors, based on the engine that drives the app.

But things are simple: If you like another solution better, then move on.

But things are not that simple especially for business users like myself who want basic features added or fixed rather to collaborate better with heavy EN usage and content spanning years. If things where simple EN would update their engine to support modern features or even iPad Pros. For users especially those who want EN to do more than Dark mode; its a bit more complex then simply dumping a Dropbox. Whats nice about the younger companies is their ability to add features in a timely fashion. Users feature request X they time table it and it releases. However EN not so much; Im one of the OG EN users when the platform first launched it was an exciting time. However in that time updates where flourishing, the community was busy talking about new features and it the platform was buzzing. Now what i find is EN spaces for instance hasn’t had a meaningful update for sharing. Work Chat is in DIRE need of update. What ever happened to Penultimate ( check out that update version year wise ) We get great updates from the new CEO but nothing is tangible as of yet its all kind of a crawl. Has Evernote become to big to be able to pivot in a world where its competitors are adding features faster then they can have people so eloquently present passive ways to differ a topic? I dont have the answer sadly, What i do know is that Every Evernote business user i know is incredibly frustrated with ENs lack of updates when it comes to collaboration and testing multiple services due this slow ability to act. 

3 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

How about to use something like Goodnotes 5 (like I do) instead of hoping that anytime soon a real note taking solution will emerge from EN labs ?

If you follow the „Behind the scenes“ videos, you can see that the focus actually is not extending the line up, it is to make the existing product line bug free and more in line to each other. 

I do not expect any sound handwriting solution any time soon. But I would be happy if I were wrong ...

That would defeat the purpose of wanting to merge those features onto one platform. I currently use Notability, however one would want the sketch feature on EN to be slightly modified to offer more to utilize one platform. I’m hoping you are wrong and they see value in a simply writing platform for note taking with the Apple Pencil. 

How about a sketch tool that has lined pages and was more featured for the Apple Pencil. 

On 8/17/2019 at 11:03 AM, DTLow said:

It's still baby steps, but I'm excited by the possibilities.

Every year the hardware gets better, the OS gets better, the apps get better.

My hope is the eventual consolidation of IPadOS and MacOS 

But concerning Evernote iPad OS gives no more power to app development than the current development tools in terms of access to metal etc. I’m very frustrated on how Evernote gimps the iPad version.  

There is no technical reason why the iPad cannot have parity. The only reason is because the Dev team is treating it like a resized iphone application. If you look at One Note, Bear, Notion they are pushing the limits of what iPad Pros can do while Evernote is treating the iPad Pro rather lackluster in comparison to the desktop. I use my iPad Pro more than my 3K MBP and prefer it to the MBP and think its ridiculous that it doesn’t have feature parity. 

Looking forward to seeing work chat being improved and notifications of updates on spaces , notebooks for business users 

7 hours ago, GrumpyMonkey said:

Hi. I think you’ll find GoodNotes or some other dedicated app is simply better, and it is exceedingly unlikely that Evernote will somehow leapfrog them to become a superior one. This is true of any app (apple notes, for example, is also inferior), because, especially in iOS, apps that specialize tend to be more useful than ones that try to do everything for everyone.

Is Evernote the problem? Maybe. Penultimate was never a good fit for my workflow (PDF annotations and notetaking in multiple languages, including vertical, left to right ones). But, it did work well for some folks. So, when Evernote bought it, I guess there was some potential there for something. Similar to Skitch, though, it seems to be a tough thing to turn it into aan industry leader without losing focus. Eventually, Evernote sloughed off most of its app ecosystem, and here we are today—I doubt Evernote is likely to go back to intensive development of multiple apps, which is the only realistic way they could compete with other dedicated apps.

At any rate, GoodNotes with backups in PDF to Dropbox makes everything available to any device (even Windows), the content is OCRd, and it is easy to get into Evernote.

I currently utilize Notability, however i could easily not use it anymore if the EN writing feature was literally 1.1% better then it was now at basic writing and infinite page masking in a note book. The bar is very low to just be able to stay into Evernote instead of multiple apps to send back into EN. 

Looks like Autocorrect edited my "Pinned" word to Printed. My apologies. 

I have been asking Evernote to expand its apple pencil notation ability for years, i have no idea why they are not answering the call. In meetings people don't want to just SKETCH they want to write notes and pin them in spaces. Currently writing in Evernote via the apple pencil is a chore because there are no lined template pages to write on, the notes are not infinite and Evernote forces you to use another app. Penultimate is simple horrid dated and looks like its been left to pasture with zero focus on expanding its tool set and for all intensive purposes it looks abandoned. 

Currently the business product is disjointed with workflows not allowing pins to be created or removed in IOS on our iPad Pros making people load the website on the same device. You guys have got have basic parity with workflow experiences so people don't have to exist the IOS native app and literally load a website on safari to edit and pins basic notes via "Spaces". 

Extremely frustrating

Totally abandoned