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  1. On 3/20/2023 at 9:45 AM, swl64 said:

    If it's a relational database just create another table to handle the hierarchical relationship.It's not that hard and it's really the UI that should do most of the work.

    It is pretty laughable just how much of a joke the evernote development team have become in general... but unfortunately anyone who has any experience in software know this is an easily solvable problem. Even evernotes competitors advertise this feature as a selling point of switching to them.

    But this was never a technical issue it was always a matter of ego, evernote dont think this feature is needed and 14 years of messages have done nothing to change their mind. They love tags, everyone should accept that despite the rest of the world using a hierarchical structure evernote knows better, its sad but true...

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  2. 19 minutes ago, gazumped said:

    They must not've been reading the history then,  because for 10 of those years there were posts about Evernote not being technically able to even to consider the request.  And who writes to Microsoft or Google asking for changes in their software,  and expects to see them implemented?  This ain't a special request live disco...

    Sigh what did I expect... You are right, I am wrong, I know nothing, you know everything, god I am glad I no longer depend on this product, its such a joke that this even needs to be discussed in 2022...

  3. 10 minutes ago, gazumped said:

    I can't see any company being willing to say "never ever",  because they may find a need or a way to do something - indeed this feature may be planned for next month or next year,  or it may be in reserve in case a competitor comes out with a different killer feature and they need a way to compete.  Evernote are under no obligation to reassure users that their favourite feature is in development,  and indeed it would be dumb for a user to subscribe to a product on the basis that a new feature is coming,  if that feature is as essential as many here make it out to be.

    If you can't work without nested folders,  then I totally agree with you:  find another product that does the job.  If you like Evernote's other features,  then it makes sense to try out the 'titles and tags' approach,  but continuing to work that way unwillingly and under protest is just inefficient and unproductive.

    12 years since this post was started, 12 years of people wasting their time commenting on this board expecting something to change, it hasn't... it won't its just an exercise in futility.

    Its long past due and long past ignored by evernote

  4. Is it not about time to permanently close this thread? And considering the sheer amount of messages from customers can we not just have an official statement from Evernote telling customers this will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be implemented. This has gone on way too long and I feel bad for people still waiting for this feature to come some day. It wont ever come, Evernote does not want to build it and its pretty clear they want everyone to use tags, regardless of whether they are useful to the customer.

    I gave up on Evernote for everything but scanning documents after waiting for this for several years, after using Nimbus Note for a while I don't regret the move. Evernote doesn't really have any killer features anymore and its very easy to transfer all your existing notes to another app.

    It comes down to this plain fact...

    Use Tags or Leave Evernote, its your only two options...

  5. On 7/15/2021 at 9:17 AM, PinkElephant said:

    If you would read the thread, you could know why nesting won’t work without rewriting the database, the clients and the server software (= creating a whole new app).

    You would find enough examples of what I wrote about uses and use cases. No problem if you don’t find it, I will just assume you didn’t even try.

    If you want notebook nesting and can’t live without it, very simple: Move on to another app.

    There is no such thing as cant in software development just EGO and LAZINESS. I think we can guess which one is being used in these forums...

  6. On 1/3/2021 at 3:14 PM, Red Raven said:

    Please please please, add this feature. It is the one and only feature that is making me consider dropping my Evernote subscription and finding an alternative. It seems like a hugely popular feature. If it's never coming to Evernote, I think it would be nice to hear from someone as to why, especially considering I pay for the program every year.

    This feature request was made in 2008, its not going to happen, move to an alternative package, and migrate all of your existing notes, I had to...

  7. 4 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

    The tree-type folder structures came with computers, and they were rooted in the file systems. There is nothing natural about it, it was how files were organized on disks, back then (and still today).

    Ever searched an invoice (before filing it in EN) to claim warranty ? Where may it be - in the invoices folder, with the product documentation, at the accountant with the tax stuff, with the suppliers data etc . ? What is the natural reaction ? Copies. Which translates in IT into duplicates, the bane of all folder type structures.

    Yes, EN forces you to rethink this. First, find it all by search. Second, if you want structure, use tags. If there would be deeply nested notebooks, this rethinking would not happen, and we would produce again duplicates. Which makes searching difficult (which copy is the right one ?).

    My opinion: Take it, as it is, and learn to use it to its full potential.

    Or switch to another app.

    As much as I would like things to be different, your words are the only outcome. Evernote will never, ever implement this feature. Its been 12 years since this thread has started, trust me this has been discussed probably more than once by the Evernote development team.

    Tags don't work for me, for many reasons already highlighted in this thread so I won't discuss them again here.

    I left Evernote because of this missing feature and imported all of my notes into Nimbus Note, if you need this feature then its time consider another app. As this feature will NEVER be implemented in Evernote Ever!

  8. 3 minutes ago, gazumped said:

    And you posted 14 times?  I keep on making the point that Evernote haven't had the ability to make some of the changes that have been requested until literally this past few weeks when they launched the new code base.

    Why does everyone seem to think this is such a huge Developement job, it really isnt, it is insanely simple to add a 3rd or 4th tier to stacks. This job has never been implemented because they want people to use tags, regardless of whether tags are actually useful to the end user.

  9. 5 hours ago, Tazzz said:

    Multiple notebooks need to happen as soon as possible.

    Folders aka notebooks/stacks is the logical hierachical system that everybody knows and uses, no matter what OS or app they are using. I don't care how they are defined in the backend by developers, if they are "truly" folders or not. Nobody cares. If you get a new Evernote user and ask him to create a hierachical tree, he will do it like this. 99+ out of 100 people will do it like this, and see them as folders.

    Tags are great, but not for this purpose. Trying to reinvent the internet in a dumber way and with no real benefit whatsoever is a fool's gambit. You only get user frustration, time waste and a poor user experience & usability.

    PS - Humble oppinion of a UI/UX designer with about 15 years of experience under his belt.

     

    The problem with Evernote as a company has always been the "you are just wrong" we dont care. Many, many, many people have wasted so much time trying to get Evernote to listen, but the harsh reality is they simply dont care about user feedback. Take it from someone who has been active on the en boards for almost 10 years, if you need this feature look at migrating your notes to another company like Nimbus Note, as this feature will NEVER be implemented EVER!

  10. 2 hours ago, Abu.Aabdullah.Ahsan said:

    In fact, this is the feature (more Sub-Folders of NoteBooks) i miss in evernote for last 3 years.
    I waitied and hesitated more than six months to move from OneNote to Evernote only because Evernote does not have this feature.
    But due to OneNotes non-userfirendly mobile app, finally i had to move to Evernote. Since then I have been longing for this feature.
    Now, the moment I get this from RELANOTE, I will defintely jump out unless Evernote bring this Sub-Folder features very quickly.

    I stuck with Evernote for almost 3 years waiting for this to arrive, then I found Nimbus Note imported everything from Evernote and switched over. Annoyingly I still have to use Evernote as I have an Evernote scanner but cancelled my premium account. This thread was started well over 10 years ago now, this is just never going to happen, I feel sorry for everyone who has stressed their frustration and the response on the forums has always been the same. You are wrong you don't need subfolders, tags is amazing, its so sad when a company lectures their customers instead of actually listening. I had an issue with Nimbus a while back, emailed them and got a response back straight from the development team, was fixed a few weeks later services just does note compare with Evernote!!!

  11. 11 hours ago, Andre Doernemann said:

    I so much HATE Evernote as a company, for not answering to this really Basic Request, which so much of their competitors offer.

    Just make a deeper hierarchy possible for people, that need it. And NO, i can not achieve the same with tags - not in my collaboration/Teamsetting and not in my preference of using, thinking and filing Stuff. 

    It would be such a great App, absolutly unbeatable, if they woudl offer some Hierarchy, (and some Functionality in Tables; please look at Notion). And make the Dark Mode for Windows Users already; the Mac Users already got it!

     

    As soon, as Notion improves their Android App and implement Handwiriting: i'm out. If nothing changes. And many others time by time for sure also.

    Its a case of evernote telling customers what it thinks is best rather than listening to customers, probably why they have had so much financial trouble in the past.

    If it helps I ended up moving to nimbus note (which has unlimited folder depth), its not as well polished as evernote but you can actually email the developers directly and participate in its development which is definitely the right direction. If only evernote was the same way 😞

  12. On 11/26/2019 at 3:27 AM, Sarabeara said:

    Adding my vote. Being able to stack stacks is integral.

    I currently have a situation where I want to archive my stacks into one stack and start fresh..   but that's not possible.. and no I don't want to move all the notebooks inside into one stack, the hierarchy that I have is important...

    Is there any way we can get this prioritised??

    This is never going to change if you need this feature like I do, use Nimbus Note instead and import your evernote docs to that instead. This is never going to be implemented so its important people arriving at this thread are made aware of this.

  13. 27 minutes ago, Avi Lambert said:

    Hi Engberg, thanks for your feedback. But again, the use-case I am looking for simply does not work for tags.

    Tags are not Notebooks.

    Notebooks work much better for my use case, specifically because of the actions that can be used within Evernote with notebooks. More to the point, you can't share an item, idea, picture, our audio to a tag, in the same way you can to a notebook. Also, in terms of organization tags are messy, while notebooks are clean, in my view. It is for that reason that I do not find the tag workflow as worthwhile as the notebook workflow. And, from the negative votes on your post, and the length of the comment thread on this post, it would be smart for Evernote to look to implement this in the feature roadmap. 

    I still feel bad that people come to this post expecting things to change, they won't but there is a solution mov to something that works for you. For me I moved to Nimbus Note and exported all my existing notes over to their app. I ended up using them because they publish all their development for every user to see, and you can contact them directly and contribute towards their future development. Are they as big as Evernote, no. And their app is a little rough around the edges but they support both unlimited notebook levels and tags, so win-win for me. I hope this helps other people who come here looking for answers because you won't get anything useful posting here, this post is almost 10 years old... 

  14. 2 hours ago, mikefinleyco said:

    Was actually hoping for some replies by real people, not fan boys. Everybody already knows what your replies are going to be before you type them...

    Unfortunately all you get in this forum are fan boys, they are right we are wrong, thats Evernote in a nutshell. I left en for nimbus note a long while ago but unfortunately still have to use en for all my scanned documents. Trust me its not worth wasting your breath here, no one at en cares...

  15. 11 hours ago, IainBev said:

    Where do we vote on this?

    And what is a good alternative to Evernote that DOES allow a decent / additional levels directory hierarchy.

    +1 level would be great. +2 levels would be awesome! No change = look for an alternative as it's becoming a pain in the derriere. 

    Cheers,

    Iain

     

    I had to move to Nimbus Note to get this feature, its an evernote clone built purely based on user feedback and feature requests, wish evernote was built the same way 😞

  16. On 10/19/2018 at 2:23 AM, OVPdev said:

    that particular chain of replies started with this comment: 

     

    @DTLow  tried to convince me that tag hierarchy is good for that type of problem, and instead of explaining how to actually navigate and find notes, he explained how to create structure.

    and for some reason, people who don't face the problem repeatedly impose the same solution again and again without testing it at work.

    My point is, that a note with internal links is a lot better than tag hierarchy for that type of problem

    Hi Guys just wanted to weigh in here and cover the discussion up to this point. From a implementation perspective I have literally written a full programatic solution that would allow this feature to be implemented with full backwards compatibility for existing clients. From a development standpoint this feature is probably the most simple feature you could possibly add to evernote, much less complex than the tag system.

    What is interesting here is the amount of passion and time people have spent on this thread pleading with evernote on this issue, its substantial.

    And its a real shame to say this but evernote don't really care, its a big company we are a small majority of users and our voices just don't matter in the grand scheme of things.

    Bare in mind not long ago evernote was in financial difficulty and I not even sure at this point the company is making significant profit.

    In my opinion and feel free to disagree evernote could be amazing but it wont ever be as good as word, google docs, sharepoint... it could be but evernote have decided they want to keep this piece of software limited. There are so many great features in this forum that would bring massive revenue from the b2b sector but it will always be a limited software package.

    Ok but not great, its a shame but I think its time this thread gets closed because people are just wasting there time posting here.

     

  17. On 10/17/2018 at 5:30 AM, OVPdev said:

    I believe there are two categories of people: those who work on projects using Evernote, and those who don't.
    And the last ones sincerely don't understand why is the feature they don't need is needed for anybody.
    in my opinion, http://theguide.sourceforge.net/ had the best hierarchical structure view and the user experience for working on projects.

    image.png.9d7063ee74b7cca3743ec027b4a39189.png

    When you write a note, at some point you might need a deeper structure, so you create a note inside a note, and each of them has a content.

    Differences compare to tags:

    • notes don't change the order based on recency or name, only by user explicit actions. hence a user can leverage visual memory for better navigation
    • only one parent, so I don't need to remove the old tag, assign the new one, and it's not possible to make a mistake during these actions 
    • I can see all the notes inside a parent in the same view, so again I can use my visual memory to the fullest extent
    • any parent can have a content, so you can start with the main idea and detail it with child notes
    • Evernote parent tags contain everything that children and children of children contain, therefore I have to click on all the tags lower on the hierarchy, remember all the notes and compare what I've remembered with what Evernote shows me to finally find out what are the actual children.

    Tags are really bad for this purpose. I use a note with structured references instead. 
    Don't get me wrong, tags are good but not for that.

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    The better solution for adding this type of view is to make it as a separate database or hidden note with information about references and structure. When you turn it on it's empty, regardless you already have notes. and then you can move notes in that view. 
    So this feature won't affect you if you don't need it, and you can use it selectively.
    Differences compared to a note with internal links:

    • it's always at the navigation panel
    • you can use drag and drop
    • a note in single hierarchical view can have only one parent and you can't accidentally duplicate references
    • it has an ability to create or remove notes right from the view.

     

    I would definitely buy a Premium if Evernote had a good hierarchical structure view.

    The problem is that the Evernote team don't see the significant limitations of a tag based hierarchy system. While tags are useful in certain circumstances they are significantly flawed in others. As a power user I find Evernote too restrictive to my needs as do pretty much every organisation that I have worked with. But try as we might things are not going to change, look when this thread was opened...

  18. Just so you know there is a very simple way to implement this regardless of how the backend architecture of evernote was built, and would not effect backwards compatibility and would work easily across all platforms.

    Create virtually nested stacks

    Stack 1

    -- Stack 2

    -- -- Stack 3

    is stored in the backend as a single stack with the string:

    Stack1 :: Stack 2 :: Stack 3

    older clients simply see this instead of nested stacks, and the newer clients see the stacks in a nested view

     

    Its really not as hard as evernote seem to think it is...

  19. I think its clear at this point that someone within the Evernote organisation has simply refused to add this feature a long time ago and now its blacklisted. I am a developer and unfortunately this is very common in the industry logic goes out the window and pride comes into play.

    There is only 1 way that this feature will ever get implemented in Evernote, if it effects their revenue streams...

    I am not advocating this as I love Evernote, but something as simple as a group of users refusing to renew their memberships until this feature is available would put pressure on the management, and thus would apply pressure to the development team.

    Unfortunately I also see this alot in my industry, its just a sad state of affairs when pride comes into the picture.

    I don't like tags, and I like stacks, give the customers what they want... it should really be that simple!

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