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  1. On 4/17/2021 at 9:01 PM, Paul A. said:

    I use Microsoft To Do for tasks, and it's not a view I use but I just checked and I seem to be able to sort in due date order on the To Do desktop app for Mac. Go to "All" on the left bar, then click the three dots menu in the top-right, then sort > Due Date.

    You can sort in Due Date order in lists. I am talking about search results and especially tags.

    E.g. let's say I use a tag #Deadline to track my milestones and major deadlines across all projects. I can click on that tag in any task, and ToDo will show me a list of all tasks that have this tag. Perfect, right ?

    Except that this list is not sorted by due date. I don't know exactly what it is sorted by - it may be the task creation date. But it's certainly not the current due date. So I have deadlines in May shown above deadlines in April, dates all over the place. It's the same when you search for something. This makes the tag / search feature nearly useless.


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  2. 12 hours ago, itoldusoandso said:

    Right.  So all platforms except iOS are fine, there are options.   

    Thanks Tomball for responding and particular @aukirk tip solves the issue for me. Most of searching happens on iPad for me anyways.

    Still, I believe, Evernote should have included the shortcut somewhere. There are plenty of shortcuts which would great if I could type quick Boolean expression on ad-hoc basis whenever I want ... without need to give Evenote come coursing words. 

    These are perhaps areas Evenore should have invested instead of plenty of tchotchkes over the years. 


    iOS works the same as MacOS. You can preset keyboard shortcuts to type your most commonly used phrases with a few  unique characters.

    e.g. if  I type "ppq" on my iPhone I get this:

    Please contact me with any questions or comments. 

  3. 14 hours ago, Tonymynd said:

    It hurts a little bit to do this, but I'm moving to MS To-Do. I purchased a license for MS 365 and will take advantage of that. I really sorry to do this, I love you all, but I got love myself also. It been horribly difficult to run my business with all the new bugs, major changes and specially the speed reduction is  a big deal for me, specially for my GTD system. I would be checking to see how you guys improve, maybe we can reconcile in the future, and I will purchased the premium again. Wishing you all the best... Jose Antonio Garciarivas, from Toluca, Mexico.

    A big flaw in MS Todo is the search /tag filter results. They are not, and can not be arranged in Due date order. This makes it impractical for a large number of tasks. 

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  4. I ended up getting the paid version of Readdle's Scan Pro, thanks to the tip from @PinkElephant.

    So, now, I have pretty much all of them ;)

    It has two big advantages compared to other scanning software I've tried:

    1) It is as good as TurboScan in producing a readable B&W document from a color document with some text on colored background. Most other apps struggle to get readable B&W text in these areas. It's almost as fast as TS in automatically capturing multiple pages and defining crop areas. Unlike TurboScan, though, it has OCR. 

    2) It is the only scanning app that I know of which allows going back and editing scanned pages at any time. All other apps save the edits at some point after which they are no longer reversible. 

    These two points make it my #1 choice now. 

    It also has two disadvantages:

    1) It does not add itself to the iOS Share To functionality. There's really no good reason for it in 2021. I contacted Readdle but got a canned "we'll think about it" reply.

    2) The ability to save workflows is OK but not as good as what's provided by some other apps; e.g. I can add a personal Onedrive account, but not a Business one. This is a minor inconvenience. 

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  5. 2 hours ago, Vidalia said:

    EN was originally founded with a vision to be a 100-year company. Since then original CEO has left and market condition has changed. So I won't be surprised if EN goes bust in near future.

    There will be always a small cult like users who would prefer a locally installed desktop app but industry trend and millennials are inclined to Cloud and hence a viable business may have to capture this market to remain profitable.


    Cloud-only is not the solution, it only takes one data loss incident to realize that. The best approach is to combine cloud storage with local backups. And at any rate, the issue is not cloud vs desktop, the issue is with performance.



  6. Let @gazumped correct me if I am wrong - I haven't used this functionality in a longtime - but if you don't have any attachments in your Onenote notes, I think the simplest way would be to export them to PDF or Word format, then use Evernote's folder monitoring (I assume it's still available in legacy?) to automatically import them into Evernote.

    If you download Onemore add-in for Onenote from Github, you should be able to select multiple pages and get them all bulk exported as individual files.

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  7. 6 minutes ago, Vidalia said:

    O365 is part of corporate subscriptions in most multipnational companies as well as educational institutions. The license often allows O365 in personal devices too. So, for millions of people Microsoft Office is effectively free. Even if not, then LibreOffice can open DOCX and XLSX files easily. Most people don't have enough complex formattting or macros to prevent interoperation with non-Microsoft applications. I think DOCX is now defacto world standard for formatted documents.

    I would argue that EN should abandon their ENEX format and either adopt standard HTML and/or DOCX. The DOCX format is now open so EN should be able to read/write DOCX. EN can't compete with Microsoft (or Google or Apple for that matter) so best to have a product that complements these behemoths' product range.

    Tried Joplin. It is a good product and free. Only 2 dislikes - I am not a great fan of Markdown and don't like storing all notes in one SQLDB database (yes, EN does in same way with SQLDB I think).


    I disagree. If you are using an open source Office suit strictly for personal needs, sure. If you are a student working on a project with others, or if you are trying to quickly edit a work document on a home laptop, or you run a small business and need to use a customer specified template, you will very quickly run into formatting incompatibilities, even before you deal with macros. Been there. 

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  8. 8 minutes ago, JT404 said:

    I don't disagree -- and we die-hard EN users will very likely consider the option in your first paragraph. But the average "cloud consumer" will likely go where they perceive is "biggest bang for buck" and that's when EN will bleed market share and likely lose a large swath of paying customers. And that's a concern for me as EN won't be sustained by the die-hards who remain simply b/c we know that EV does notetaking much better than the others (well aside from the handwriting bit) -- I mean, look at BlackBerry with their superior product and an immensely loyal small following, but look where they are now (I was one of the BB die-hards at the time).

    Interestingly, I've doing it the opposite of what you describe - looking at EN alternative and have had to settle for bits and pieces here and there. :D I still need to decide if I still want to renew my annual EN subscription in July or settle for the "good enough" elsewhere. I went through the same consideration process when I finally decided to drop Dropbox and simply use OneDrive (though the latter has improved significantly in the last 12-18 months).  The change of the EN Web licensing does make me pause -- but only b/c I'm thinking that EN Basic may not be "good enough" if I want to still have it -- so my consideration likely has to factor in a complete divestment.

    If EN's goal is to get rid of the riffraff who are only using their service on a free basis and are therefore leaching from the service without EN even breaking even, then their move is valid. But even in this very discussion there, there have been paying customers who have become disenfranchised with the price increases over the last half dozen years.  Honestly, it is EN's problem to solve, not ours;  if they indeed see a shift in their market share and any diminishing of their paying subscriber base, then they will need to maneuver themselves accordingly.  I do think that this whole thread can serve as a good source of market analysis for them, if the participants are a sampling of what the masses of their subscribers are feeling. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Whether or not EN is a “superior” notetaker depends on personal preferences, learned habits, workflows, and having an intimate knowledge of the platform vs a cursory knowledge of competition. I wouldn’t be *that* categorical. 

    From the simple business point of view, EN seems to have taken the path of squeezing more money from the existing committed users as opposed to trying to grow their user base. Which is not a sustainable long term plan.

  9. 5 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

    Another option: One can spend money on EN, and save it on O365. I use the Apple solution for work (pages/Numbers/Keynote), plus Libre Office when I need 1:1 compatibility.

    Anybody should know his use cases, and spend money where the investment gives a positive return. Any hard core user of O365 functions will probably stick with it, but to write a letter here and then or make a simple table can do without it. The same is true about EN - the Basic version will do for many. 

    There’s no 1:1compatibility. Libre Office is fine for personal use, but if you collaborate with others professionally, it’s not fully compatible. It’s somewhat compatible. 

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  10. 9 hours ago, JT404 said:

    I've actually been trying to use OneNote, myself. In spite of the fact that my handwritten notes sometimes become corrupt between a PC and a mobile device, I find that it is the most platform agnostic note taking platform, aside from Evernote. My big thing about OneNote is that I've gotten used to how Evernote sorts its notes, and the whole organization of notes (pages, tabs, notebooks, etc) in OneNote really throws me off. I do use OneNote for work quite extensively, and I tend to treat it almost like having a three-ring binder, with tabs and pages.

    I had also gotten used to the wway Evernote sorts the most recent edited note at the top, where as there is no such feature in OneNote, to my knowledge. It's the same with Samsung Notes, where it will sort the most recently edited note at the top.

    The recent note feature is available, it just works differently depending on the version and platform. On iOS, the most recent notes are shown in the Today widget. In W10 version, there’s a “history” button under the search button. And in the Desktop version, there’s no “Recent” command but there’s a free Onetastic Calendar add-in that shows what notes were edited on what day (which imho is a superior way of implementing the Recent or History view).

    But back to my point - it is not Evernote, and nothing else will be a direct replacement.

  11. 17 hours ago, Vidalia said:

    All valid points. I do use attachments. I keep attachments and in respective folders and only insert the path of attachment in my notes.

    But I admit this process works if your note taking is predominantly using desktop.

    For mobile devices, in my experience, the fastest note taking apps are usually those which are bundled with the apps itself e.g. Apple Notes notes and similar for Android where each manufacturer provide their own notepad which allows rich text note taking.

    Handwriting is a pain in mobile though. I simply can't do in small mobile screen. Tablets/iPad is better for handwriting.

    My pet hate for word processors is that, besides being slow at times, they are designed for single document editing where as note taking is shuffling between several notes at a time. So I want to see word processors with EN style file listing on the left. Notepad++ does it, along with few other apps, but they only handle plain text.

    I have also realized that hoarding notes does not help. 90% of my notes have no value after 6 months and it is not a great loss if these notes are not in a common place. The very nature of "note" is a throwaway type. If a note needs to be preserved, it becomes a document in my computer disk.

    I have also started taking notes using pen and paper [shock - horror] 😦. From my scribbling, if I discover something worth preserving for future, I just retype else just let it fade into oblivion. This works as a filtering mechanism and prevents garbage entering into my "digital notes" system.

    Everyone is different - so if something works for me does not mean it will work for others. 😀 We are all individuals with different needs and wants.

    The way you describe your use, I think Joplin would work great for you.

    My wife still uses and loves Evernote. (Although she expects me to organize and clean up her records...). She just dumps dozens of tidbits of info into it, with a fair amount of PDFs and web clippings, so it works great for her. She’s been complaining about v10 issues, but not too much.

    I’ve gone back to OneNote, I use it extensively at work and developed some workflow and brainstorming techniques using it, that also help me in personal life.

    There’s no one-fit-all solution.

  12. 9 hours ago, Vidalia said:

    Any other applications you migrate to potentially can behave same way as EN couple of years down the line.

    I believe the focus should be on your data and not what app to use.

    A tradesman has lots of different screwdrivers in his toolbox. In same way, you don't need to use only one notes app. You can use different apps for different stuff. For example, I use Notion for project management. EN only for retrieving historical notes. Most of my new notes are either in plain text or RTF and some are in DOCX format too. When I need to find something, I just run a search app which scans all my files and fetches relevant ones. The plain text and DOCX are all editable in mobile phones. Still have not found any good app for editing RTF files in Android though.

    Hence I am no longer tied to any specific notes app.


    I’ve tried this approach for a few years. It works great if you mainly use desktop, and don’t care about inserting attachments into your notes.

    I could live without attachments, but the biggest issue I kept running into was that there simply wasn’t a way to quickly start a new rich text / word note on mobile - the word processors are set up for document editing, not fast note creation. It would attempt to load the last document on start, it didn’t autosave or auto name the document using the title, and no handwriting. It just took longer to quickly jot things down. Plus there’s a lot of small conveniences offered by dedicated apps, that I missed. 

  13. 6 hours ago, pansovic said:

    After a quick trial, cannot search a word in a picture, nor pdf. EN is still a better version

    I said that Joplin is great for simple text notes. 

    Pictures and PDFs are not simple text notes. 

    Joplin is not for me, because I need more than simple text notes. If someone takes text notes with an occasional photo or attachment they don't expect to do much with, Joplin is fine.

    That said, I think there is a way to OCR PDFs and pictures in Joplin using a plugin. I have not investigated this in depth, because at this moment, Joplin simply does not work for my needs, and OCR is just a small part of missing functionality that consider essential for my needs. And to be honest, neither does Evernote. 

    It's hard to objectively say "service xxx is better than yyy" because everyone has different needs or habits. Joplin is near totally useless for me, but it's a godsend for other people. Evernote stopped working for me a while ago, but for many people, there's nothing better - either because it is what they need, or simply because it is what they are used to and nothing else will ever match, because nothing else is exactly the same. 

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  14. 5 hours ago, skim1124 said:

    I've used EN merely for note taking, not for archiving all kinds of attachments and media files.  And after trying Notion, Nimbus, Simplenote, OneNote, and Google Keep, I'm quite happy with the switch to Joplin.  Importing all my EN notes worked great, and it lets me work just as efficienty as EN Legacy did, and the deal-sealer for me was that I'm able to add my third device (Kindle Fire) without paying.  So far, search works just as well and quickly for my needs.  I've had to learn a bit about markdown, but actually I enjoyed that part of the transition experience.  And the plugins are great.

    For simple text notes, Joplin is indeed great.

  15. I wonder if 200 million is the number of active users, or total number of accounts. I know that in the past 12 years, I’ve created at least 4 separate accounts that I can recall - tried once, forgot about it, then a year later created a new account.. then created another with work email... then created a new one when I ran into issues and wanted to start from scratch...

     I suspect that the actual number of active users is more like half of that. 

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  16. H

    On 1/5/2021 at 8:38 AM, nonobio said:


    I use Evernote since a lot of years now and it is my most used app daily for both all my personal and professional stuff. I have about 25.000 notes and thousand of tags.

    Before v10, i was quite happy with it, at least on Windows, but i had sometimes, and more and more often, slowdowns and lags.

    On Android it was more complicated : the application was often slow and i had often synchronisation conflict with my desktop app. So i wasn't using it when i could avoid. For instance, when i had something to add to Evernote when i was on mobile, i used my Todo app (Microsoft) to quickly add my note, and then, i copied it to an Evernote note when i was on my desktop. But i used a lot the capture web function on Android.

    Anyway, i was thinking that maybe i could take a look on an alternative.., but never really did. When Evernote increased theirs prices, i was ok with this because i thought it was necessary to help Evernote developement. I tried the free alternative OneNote but it missed on essential feature for me : tags ! Am i right ? There isn't tags on OneNote ?!

    And now, v10 is here. I was excited to try it to see if all my issues could be gone...., but.. :( : i created a topic Just installed Evernote 10 : scared where i list some of essential features missing :


    Since this message, i am waiting each new version to see if missing features or bug will be resolved. But i also often discover new missings :( .

    And as if it wasn't enought, the new Evernote Android doesn't work anymore for me : i can't capture anymore ! I haven't all my notebooks synchronized and so it says "Loading" where i should choose the destination notebook. I can't use it anymore !

    So : i have a v10 desktop version i can't use daily (i use legacy for the moment) and Android version that can't capture anymore.

    Yes i should ask support for my issue on Android (maybe i will) but since last weeks, i have the feeling to not use a product but to help or work to devellop an unfinished product.

    In my other post, some users tried to rassure me about v10 future, but i actually more than ever thinking to switch.

    But is there really serious alternative ?

    For my use, these are the important features i need :

    • A Windows application with ability to open notes in separate windows
    • An Android application : at least to be able to capture web content
    • Offline use
    • A Chrome extension to capture web content, and if possible with choice like : capture page, article, selection, etc.
    • Tags : i have some thousands of tags. I would like to be able to add one or more tags on notes and on web capture, search in all my tags, filter by tags (if possible with filter like the one in v6)
    • Reminders
    • Ability to add images to note, and it could be great to have option to compress images
    • Checkbox (like v6, with shortcut and not tranformed in checklist when i hit enter ! )
    • Internal links between notes
    • Keyboard shortcuts
    • Texte encryption
    • Drag and drop from browser URL
    • export or backup feature
    • and mostly : faster and more stable than Evernote if possible ! even on Android...
    • and i almost forgot : a way to import all my Evernote notes ! ;)

    Does it exist or is Evernote always (even in v10) the best note application with theses features ?

    Thanks :)

    There are tags in any application with search. They are plaintext tags. Use any uncommon letter combination before your tag, and you’re all set.

    e.g. qqAct for action, qqCar for cars, qqFollowUp, qqTax, qqUtilities etc. Then make a search for “qq” and get a list of all tagged records, or search for a particular tag. An added advantage is that these tags can be added both to the note title  and to the individual text lines. And they can be used across multiple apps - you can tag an email, a note, a spreadsheet, and find all records using Windows Search or Spotlight.

    This way, you can use tags in any app or service, and they will be useful even after you move the data to another service.

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  17. Both @Vidalia and @isthisme are absolutely correct.

    Yes, the ideal best way is to have your data reside in individual files in common document formats, and use the built in OCR capabilities that most cloud storage providers offer.

    I’ve done this for a couple years. Yet I am coming back to using a note / data management wrapper, for the simple reason that there’s just no good fast common format notetaker for mobile that has things like quick new note, auto save, handwriting recognition, or OCR in embedded PDFs or images. When I need to quickly snap a few photos, mark them up, and save a note that I will later edit on my Windows laptop, Word for iOS takes too long because I have to name and save the file - it’s a word processor, not a notetaker - and Notability is great except for the later editing part. Really, Evernote / Onenote / what have you are mainly needed due to mobile - at least in my view. If I was only using the laptop, Word would suffice just fine.

  18. 3 minutes ago, s2sailor said:

    I think those that made heavy use of tag hierarchy in Evernote, and want to maintain that, will have more of a challenge finding an app replacement without some restructuring first.

    Those who want a direct replacement of Evernote, should stick with Evernote. The same goes for pretty much any other note taker save for uncategorized plaintext notes. 

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  19. 16 hours ago, TechPerplexed said:

    Not to mention it was basically shoved down people's throats because it was preinstalled and unremovable on every Android phone I had back then.

    In fact the reason I had Premium until last month is because I factory reset my old Note 4 about two years ago and after installation received 120 points for signing in to Evernote, which turned out to be one additional year of Premium.

    Well, back around 2009 I actually actively went out of my way to get Evernote working on my Windows Mobile phone - with no shoving. Back then, it was probably the only really useful service of its kind, and after a while I did not mind paying what then was a reasonable subscription fee. OneNote back then sucked even on Windows Mobile, and the only other service I kind of liked was Springpad, but they didn’t last. EN certainly had momentum. 

  20. 51 minutes ago, TaskClone said:

    I agree, but I think the pivot has been harder for Evernote than others.  Evernote gave away so much for so long.  Others also had a clearer strategy to go after enterprise so they could give away more at the personal tier to get adoption rates up. 

    I remember when Mailchimp decided to essentially ditch the transactional aspect of their business and go up-market.  They initially grandfathered clients, then decided that wasn't enough revenue and stopped the grandfathering.  What a debacle.  Probably better for their profit margins, but they lost lots of loyal long-term clients (including us). I'm sure they knew their demand curve quite well and didn't care.  It was a business decision and I was disappointed, but I run a business, so I get it.  Poor communication is usually the kicker that hurts most.

    I just compared Evernote's pricing to Dropbox's.  Dropbox is more expensive.  I know people don't usually compare the two, but look at the feature set.  This is why I say their real issue is an identity issue.  At the end of the day, for the mid-level managers, freelancers and small business owners that use Evernote, is their $100 a year worth of value?  Think of the opportunity cost of that money.  Where that $100 would go otherwise.  For those who use Evernote for more than a note-taker, the answer is most likely going to be yes.  

    As for competitors, first Evernote has to iron out the bugs/glitches and demonstrate there is a future.  Once that is done, there is plenty of market for them and others based on simple user preferences.  They've survived Microsoft offering a feature-equal, free product that is on many of their customers' computers for free.  Look at the task app market (the other market I'm in).  There are literally dozens of quite similar players with no one winning on features alone.  Everybody's productivity seems fiercely personal.  

    As you say though, "Time will tell".

    But most people don't see Evernote as a Dropbox, they see it as a note taking / information organizing tool. And looking at Dropbox... I can get the entire Office suite (Excel, Word, Powerpoint, Outlook) + 1TB of storage for $50 a year under MS' HUP that most people whose employers use O365 would be eligible for. Dropbox has something like 15 mln paid users and its revenue growth is slowing down and about half that of MS (with about 200 mln paid O365 accounts) and both are way behind Google.  Dropbox has the same issue as EN, it doesn't have good conversion rates from free to paid (IIRC theirs was something like 3%) and is overpriced.

    I also doubt that the majority of paid Premium EN users are "mid-level managers, freelancers and small business owners". Some of them are, of course, but the majority are just private individuals getting EN for themselves. EN business plan was not exactly a shining success, to date.

    Them surviving MS' free offering is due to timing. During the high point of Evernote (2009 to 2013 or so) Onenote was not a serious competitor - it was forgotten by MS' own marketing, obscure, and unavailable outside of Windows (or available in a severely crippled form). Back then, Evernote was the name everyone talked about, it got tremendous exposure, and built a large user base. I bet that the majority of current paid users had first started with Evernote five or more years ago. By the time MS' got more serious about Onenote (which they still don't market too well), Evernote has already grabbed its chunk of loyal user base. And once you really get used to a specific product, it's easier to pay what was then a reasonable subscription price, than to change to something completely different with its own share of issues. I agree, nobody's winning on features alone, but it's hard for EN to win on features + price without making that combination far more appealing.

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  21. 2 hours ago, TaskClone said:

    I agree with this assessment.  I think Evernote has never solved its identity crisis.  It needs to do that for business adoption and broader paid consumer success.  Being a Swiss Army Knife has not been a good marketing strategy.  As much as SaaS companies want to go enterprise like Asana has done, you have to articulate solving a clear business need better than alternatives.  Evernote doesn't do that.  Neither does OneNote.  Their core value proposition is much more personal than business.  There's a business connection, but it's indirect for most.  

    I think they needed the revenue enhancement for more than chasing business expansion though.  I think they needed it to justify the investments that are paying for the work they're doing now.  Everyone knew they needed to give away less and earn more.  Evernote was the poster child for that.  The way it was done just left an awful taste for many.  I also thought they would take a more gradual approach over a few years that coincided with feature improvements, but seemed the urgency was too great.

    You’re probably correct.

    At any rate, the right thing to do would be to grandfather the existing paid accounts into the old pricing structure, at least for a couple of years, while simultaneously removing features in the free Basic plan and introducing Plus and Premium at new prices. But it may be indeed that the urgency to show immediate cash flow improvement was just too great.

    I still think that Evernote, in its current form, with its current pricing structure, and given the competition, is not well positioned to grow their paid user base. Time will tell.

  22. 26 minutes ago, TaskClone said:

    They don't have many luxuries.  Like a parent that is willing to spend money for years with no direct return.  Like an in-built ecosystem.  Like an R&D division (the Azure cloud and Graph API)  that adds handwriting recognition, integration with Outlook and other features built for other purposes, but easily added to OneNote.  Like sales and support teams with existing relationships with enterprise and now SMB clients.  

    What Evernote should have to compete with this is the ability to focus and iterate quickly.  That competitive advantage has not been there for years.  We'll see if recent changes fix that.

    MS has recently taken their eye off of crushing EN entirely, focusing rather on the more lucrative effort to embed themselves in verticals (education) and use OneNote like Teams; to sell more Business Office 365 subscriptions.  MS has no problem with oligopolies anyway.  

    MS never had a plan to crush EN entirely. Actually, they never had a plan for Onenote at all, until recently. Onenote was their red-haired stepchild, never really receiving  the marketing attention that other products were getting. For a decade, it would be automatically installed on millions of desktops, yet most of these users didn't know what it was, why it existed, what it could be used for. Heck, most probably didn't even know they had it. The push to promote the use of Onenote is just a few years old, and even now, MS is still very bad at marketing it. 

    As to oligopoly - Evernote still seems to think they are a monopoly, judging by their pricing plan. Either that, or they are deliberately giving up on attracting new paid users in order to maximize current revenue, even if it's not a sustainable long term plan.

  23. Not sure about Scanner Pro, but Genius Scan allows you to pre-set encryption password for a scanned PDF. So I can quickly scan a document and automatically send it to a cloud location or service already encrypted and password protected. I am sure that there's many other apps with similar capabilities. And the beauty is that I don't have to be in any particular physical location to use it.

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