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Wanderling Reborn

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  1. 20 hours ago, DTLow said:

    There are many external options to encrypt data    
    After encryption, I store the data in Evernote as file attachments to notes

    The reason I don’t store it in EN or ON is that there’s just fewer extra steps required when working with this data.

    Also, I can still have it indexed and searched using DocFetcher, with index residing inside the same encrypted container, so it’s only accessible when this container is mounted.



  2. I keep my sensitive notes in OneDrive encrypted with Cryptomator. (Can be any location, I just happened to have O365).

    After Equifax, I don’t trust any single company to keep my data safe. Unless it’s zero knowledge encryption, I assume f’ups will happen. The question isn’t “if” but “when”.

    Even Cryptomator is not a 100% guarantee. But at least, it’s far less likely that the same nefarious actors will have access to both Evernote servers and Cryptomator exploits.

  3. On 10/1/2020 at 10:43 PM, bigtelco said:

    Notability is a better handwriting experience than virtually anything else out there and has superior drawing tools.  It also has the ability to directly annotate documents, to add directly to an existing note, to resize and edit photos, and it does OCR.  The only thing it really lacks is organizational tools: linking, tags and a web clipper.   So, her process is probably the best of both worlds for now, unless she switches to a more integrated experience like OneNote or Apple Notes. 

    The tags aren’t an issue as I am using plaintext tags everywhere and she’s been catching on with this method too. 

    Web clipper works fairly well, actually. Are you referring to Notability for Mac? She’s using the iOS version, and it has a decent enough web clipper (you can send a webpage from Safari). It comes in as a searchable background image (or perhaps PDF).

    It also supports hyperlinks, but not between notes.

    What it really lacks is the ability to attach files, and web access. 

  4. 12 hours ago, bigtelco said:

    According to the Wacom website: „To use your stylus, you need to download a Wacom stylus compatible app that must be paired with your stylus.“.  I doubt that Evernote 10 is a Wacom-compatible app on the iPad. 

    Well, then Wacom’s out i of question, too. Besides, Apple Pencil is great everywhere else.

    For now, she’s been taking notes in Notability and exporting to EN. This means that she has to edit them in Notability as well, do not the best setup.


  5. 2 hours ago, bigtelco said:

    I can write with my finger, so I am assuming that a capacitive stylus will work.  But, this is a big step back from Apple Pencil.  I am still hoping Evernote will tell us something....

    I don't believe there's any smart capacitive stylii (with palm rejection at least) for iPad. Bamboo, as far as I know, uses the same technology as Apple pencil.

  6. Glad to see it’s not just me. I don’t typically use Evernote - my wife does - and she didn’t have a pencil, so she never ran into this problem before. I just got her the 1st gen AP, and it just doesn’t work, skipping more strokes than it registers. Works great in every other app. Reading through this forum, it looks like this issue impacts both generations of Apple Pencil ? Does it also happen with 3rd party ones, like Wacom Bamboo ? I can still return the AP and get a different brand for her.

  7. On 8/15/2020 at 8:15 PM, PinkElephant said:

    And quite easy to resolve: The Admin just puts a keylogger and a screengrabber on your work computer, and after the next time you opened your vault you will find out how long the superencrypted vault stayed superencrypted on a Computer out of your Control. No longer than it takes to read this forum post, be assured.

    It is very simple: To use private resources during not-so-private time, use a private device over a network that is not under control of the guy who signs your paycheck.


  8. Yes, scanning large number of documents requires quick and accurate auto-crop, auto shutter (app takes photo by itself the moment it recognizes page boundary), and accurate B&W creation (no blown areas or too dark areas). TurboScan gets it all, probably Readdle Scan does too (didn’t try it yet, thanks for the tip @PinkElephant). The latest version of Scanbot (they renamed it and made subscription but people who paid for the old version retained their functionality) looks like it’s also there now - it used to be slower from what I remember. Genius Scan is just almost there. But I’ll take any of them before I use a hardware scanner ever again.

  9. 4 hours ago, CalS said:

    Hence the ...if your employer allows it... bit.  Personally I would not have any personal data in any form on a work computer.  But the OP asked...

    Well, it depends on the field, company, individuals involved etc. An employee trying to install a supposedly unbreakable encrypted volume on a company’s computer (that’s I assume connected to the corporate network) is going to make some more protective / paranoid people interested. Is he stealing IP? Does he keep porn on it ? Is he exposing us to any kind of  liability? Even if the issue is easily explained, that’s not the kind of attention I’d want to attract.

  10. I used to have a flatbed scanner with a feeder for multiple sheets, but it was still a hassle and I found myself using my phone all the time, because I could do it anywhere and not be tied to one room.

    My favorite scan app is TurboScan for iOS, it’s suited very well for quick scanning of multiple pages in B&W. The rest are either not that good for auto cropping, or don’t always get a crisp B&W scan (especially if the original is not B&W or lighting is poor), or take too many extra steps. GeniusScan is also very good, but isn’t as fast and accurate in auto cropping.

    Another advantage of using a phone is that it’s very easy to combine different sources, e.g. a  paper bill with a screenshot of a payment via bank app, or a manual for an appliance with photos of it set to specific settings. All of this can of course be done on a computer, but with more steps and delays.

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  11. I had no problems using “dumb” felt tip stilii to take many pages of handwritten notes. While I strongly prefer iPads over Androids, there’s workable software in both environments. I do have an Apple Pencil now, and while it’s certainly a nicer writing device, it’s not a necessity, especially when using a zoomed area for handwriting that many note taking apps have. A short note can easily be taken on any iPhone or iPad. A used 6s is below $200 in the US, and would still be a perfectly serviceable phone even today (I’ve used one until spring). I’d couple it with Notability.

  12. On 7/28/2020 at 6:01 PM, DTLow said:

    Instead of sharing individual notes, share notebooks

    This is not always feasible. Actually one thing I absolutely hate about Onenote (which I use extensively at work) is the inability to share individual notes. There's information that, as a project manager, I can't share with the rest of the team - financial data, some contract issues, some sensitive data belonging to the customers, etc. Not everyone in the project team has the same level of access. 


    On 7/24/2020 at 5:57 AM, reniwqwil5 said:


    I found Evernote, through thesecretweapon.org which is an organization method that has really helped me manage tasks. It's a glorified To-Do list.

    It hinges on setting up Notebooks and Tagging Notes a certain way in Evernote.

    As an individual, it has really helped me professionally. I was really struggling with dropping small tasks through the cracks and having it come back round to bite me.

    I also had mild success implementing it between my wife. At one point we were selling a house and moving across country. We pretty successfully used it simply by logging into the same account.

    Currently I manage a small team of 5 people, and am trying to figure out how to implement the same proceedure between the five people.

    The sharing feature seems awful. When shared, the tags don't transfer, and shared notes can't be moved into any notebook other than the Shared with Me notebook.

    If I share a task with a team member, It doesn't get moved into the Completed notebook, when it's completed.

    Any thoughts/advice?

    To @reniwqwil5 - if you're still checking this thread - I firmly believe, based on years of personal experience, that tasks belong in a program dedicated to task management. Evernote, Onenote, a mindmapping program, even a simple text file are great for brainstorming, but once a concrete task is identified, it needs to go into a service (app, program) that was specifically designed to handle tasks. Not mere checklists. This service should have the ability to assign due dates and reminders to tasks, delegate them to other team members, search and filter by project or tags or due dates, sync to mobile devices so that I could get a reminder anywhere. The key to not letting small tasks fall through the cracks is to (a) write all of them down and (b) set up reminders. 

    I use plaintext tags everywhere (just because they are going to work across the board with different software). They are very easy to add while typing by using automation software like AutoHotKey. I then copy the individual tasks to the task managing system (also can be easily sped  up with AHK). I use Outlook on Windows and MS ToDo on my iPad / phone (they use the same data), but only because our company is using Exchange. Any decent task management service (e.g. Trello that @PinkElephantsuggested above) would work as long as it supports reminders, due dates, and task delegation. (Although Outlook is extremely good).  From there, I set up due dates and reminders, and delegate tasks to other people.

    A typical text I would type in a meeting would look something like this:

    Proposal #tgDue end of the month need an estimate from #tgJeff #tgFollowUp #tgAct 

    Typing these tags is just a three letter combo thanks to automation (e.g. #tgFollowUp is created when I type qqu followed by space, qqa = #tgAct etc).

    After the meeting is over, I copy all of the note lines that have #tgAct in them into Outlook tasks. This can be done with a single click in Onenote, or automated using AHK if you're using some other program. I assign due dates and reminders as needed, and delegate whatever needs to be delegated (hence #tgJeff and #tgFollowUp). I then erase all #tgAct tags. Every now and then I search for #tgAct across my notes to make sure I didn't miss any. 

    This way, all tasks get captured and I am reminded of them. After that, ***** up is entirely my problem...



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  13. 6 hours ago, DTLow said:



    >>I can get most of functionality of Evernote (some is missing, some is gained)

    I see no gain; just missing functionality


    You don't see the gain in using common file types like spreadsheets directly without an external wrapper? Like, the ability to directly edit and mark up without having to undergo multiple steps? Real time collaboration on same document ? (Works great with OneDrive). Quickly sharing files? All of this while using multiple devices on multiple platforms (W10, Linux, Mac, iOS)? Saving notes / data in native format? Moving from one service to another without any modification whatsoever?

    6 hours ago, DTLow said:

    >>as a common file type


    Still wondering which "common file type" to use    
    I currently use html for notes,    
    but attachments retain their native formats


    You must not be sharing notes and records with others too much :)

    By "common" I mean PDF, XLSX, DOCX, JPEG, PNG, TXT.

    Webpages are confusing to many people when used as documents.

  14. I've said this before. In the times when every cloud provider has indexed search and image OCR, and there's plenty of standalone apps like DocFetcher for those concerned with privacy, using a dedicated, proprietary wrapper for your data (be it Evernote, Onenote, Joplin etc.) does not make sense… at least to me.


    90% of my data is in file folders on Onedrive (only using it because I am paying for Office365). 5% of the data I consider sensitive is in an encrypted volume with its own encrypted search index. The remaining 5% are short-term notes - and here's where programs like Evernote or Onenote come in handy. 

    With generous use of plaintext tags, and common file formats (docx, xlsx, pdf) I can get most of functionality of Evernote (some is missing, some is gained) without ever having to worry about losing access, losing service, moving to another service, backups, sharing with others, encryption, compatibility, etc. Evernote / Onenote / whatever are great for capturing data and maintaining "live" notes, but for long term storage, it is exported into an indexed online folder as a common file type.

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  15. Joplin is, unfortunately, extremely limited on iOS.

    • Joplin is not registered in the iOS “Share to...” functionality, so any additions of attachments or photos must be initiated from inside Joplin. I.e. can’t take a screenshot of a web page and send it to Joplin. Instead you have to save it, switch to Joplin, and add it from there.
    • You can’t export any of your notes in any format other than plaintext with markdown. All images and attachments are lost and formatting only works if the recipient is using a markdown reader. This is not an issue if you don’t send your notes to other people from your iOS device. 
    • There’s a “read” mode and an “edit” mode. In the edit mode, you’re working with Markdown, meaning that all images become text. I often annotate photos and screenshots, which is a bit hard to do if you don’t see them.
    • I am a heavy user of tables for arranging info and attachments. In Joplin, you can only create tables via typing Markdown code, which only becomes a table once you switch from Edit to Read. I want to write a note, not to code it. Markdown tables are a joke, especially when you want to rearrange them.
    • There’s an attachment upload limit of 10mb on mobile. 

    It’s an interesting project, and probably fine for desktop use. But I am very heavily dependent on iOS and Joplin is just too underwhelming there.

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  16. So, you have no problem if the service suddenly folds tomorrow, and are not interested in discussing its history and future.

    That's great, but I don't see how it's "weird" to discuss these things for those of us who do care.

    I've been through more than one case of a service I've been relying on either dying suddenly (Springpad, anyone ?) or getting bought out and getting changed so drastically it was no longer useful to me. Even if I have a way to transfer all of my data, it's still a major disruption.

    In case of Evernote, I don't really have that much invested into it anymore, outside of maintaining my wife's notebooks, but I still care about it and would like it to become attractive to me again.

  17. Here's another great read.



    "Evernote's new CEO on the company's critics: 'I love to be underestimated'"

    " What people don’t understand about the company is that we’re in a very solid financial position. We’re on the path to sustainability. We don’t have to raise more money. We had a cash-flow positive month in March. "

    Sounds familiar ?


    2 hours ago, gazumped said:

    I think you had those statements in the wrong order.  Evernote plays its finance cards close to its chest - though the new CEO (as you might expect) has confirmed they're profitable.

    Is that what you read from the article ? Because what I read was that their CEO Du Jour (#3 in almost as many years) confirmed that (a) Evernote still has not been profitable so far despite drastically raising prices 3 years ago, and (b) their grand plan to succeed by becoming a business service provider did not work out and is being essentially shelved, along with the fancy socks that the article writer was so obsessed with. He thinks they finally may become profitable (i.e. not lose money) this year, but we've heard this before.

    2 hours ago, gazumped said:

    I'm confused as to where this discussion is going though - are we saying Evernote needs to get their technical act together to survive? That they should give away the premium level of service for free?  That the sky is falling and we should all use other software before Evernote implodes? (which by the way is the very definition of 'self-fulfilling prophecy')  

    I am discussing the article and what it actually says.

    No, they don't have to give away the premium service for free, but it seems pretty clear to me that they are not being successful with their current pricing and that they need to define a different business strategy now.

    2 hours ago, gazumped said:

    Given that their user base is larger than some small countries - Japan for instance - even if only a small percentage of users are actually paying for the service,  it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that there's a solid income stream.

    It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that I will win the lottery this year, either.

    But the article clearly states that they were still not profitable as of its writing, but "expect" to not be in red by the end of 2019. I believe I read something very similar in 2015 when O'Neil took over. The number of downloads isn't relevant, pretty much every app with some name recognition gets downloaded by almost everyone, they create a free account, and then never use it. I myself must've created at least 4-5 free accounts over the years because I kept forgetting my login or wanted to start from scratch.

    What matters is the number of paying users. And it's clearly hasn't been enough to make profit even year after year, let alone a nice return on investment.

    2 hours ago, gazumped said:

    Evernote already have the 'fixing their act' thing under review.

    That's good to know... even though we've been through this more than once before.  Let's hope this time it's going to be different. As opposed to all the previous times they "had it under review" in the past few years. Like a ship with torn sails, no compass, and too many captains.

    I personally believe that they should drop the prices and rehash the paid service plans to make the service attractive enough for the new users to actually pay for it; perhaps get rid of unlimited storage with limited upload, and instead introduce something like 10GB - 100GB - 1TB tiers, more in line with what everyone else is doing; and try to get as many paid users on their lower tier plans as possible to increase the appeal of the service while still having money flowing in, as opposed to concentrating on pushing the expensive top tier that most people don't need and don't want. And add full encryption, because in 2019 it's a necessity.



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  19. Just to add.. I've been bouncing between Evernote and Onenote for years.

    I went with Evernote first, because Onenote didn't have a decent mobile client.

    I could never quite get used to Evernote's structure and lack of total note encryption, so I moved all of my notes to Onenote. My wife stayed with EN because she doesn't want to keep changing things that work for her (I am still the one doing most of the work ;)

    I still use Onenote for work, I really like the structured way it works - makes it great for organizing project information and having it all there arranged in a visually logical way. And the degree of integration with MS Suite is just unbeatable. E.g. I can open my meeting scheduled in Outlook, create a linked Onenote note right from within it, and as I take meeting minutes,  I can turn lines of text into Outlook tasks with a single click, and when the meeting is over, all of the action items have already been turned into Outlook tasks and assigned to people via Exchange and linked back to the note.

    However, I am hesitant to keep my personal data in Onenote, because of their strategy of moving everything to the cloud and not providing an easy way of exporting notes while preserving file attachments, which I use very extensively. There are some 3rd party tools, but I don't know if they will even work 2-4 years down the road. So, all of my personal stuff is going into file folders as PDFs or Excel spreadsheets or Word docs, synced to Onedrive (which provides the same OCR functionality for text in PDFs and pictures as Onenote and paid Evernote), and can be moved to another service in half an hour. I would far rather keep it in iCloud, as I don't like MS' datamining my information, but iCloud is still  a rather clunky service and very limited on Windows. (All of the really sensitive stuff is fully encrypted anyway).

    My only issue with this is that there really isn't an easy, common, and future proof way to combine text and attachments into one single note on that would work cross platform between Apple and Windows. I really like having my notes and my attachments together. There's a number of proprietary tools, and some allow easily exporting data in common formats. The tool I currently use is iThoughts mindmapper. But I'd be very open to going back to Evernote if (1) they came up with a better pricing strategy,  and (2) they provided full note encryption, or better else full notebook encryption, and (3) I was sure that they are not going anywhere anytime soon.

  20. 42 minutes ago, DTLow said:

    Do you see a problem with the majority of consumers unwilling to pay for this service

    Of course. This is the problem. And they have to solve this problem by making the service appealing to enough people to make it profitable. Because as difficult as it is, this would be a far easier task than trying to sell to businesses. As they have found out already.

    >>Where's the money coming from to pay the bills?

    Well, we know it's not coming from business accounts, because they didn't materialize.

    They are not coming from new users because there doesn't seem to be enough of them.

    My guess is, it's coming in part from venture capitalists who are already so deep into this company they may as well keep it afloat for a while longer, and the existing users, who are already so deep into this... you get the idea.

    >>captive loyal users

    >>Where does the "captive" part come from.
    >>Evernote has always made it easy to export our data and leave

    And yet, here you are.

    Reading through the forums, it's clear that many people here are old time users so deeply entrenched into Evernote's way of doing things and so very invested into the service, they would tolerate yet another price hike because they can't stand the alternative. Seems fairly captive to me. OK, how about "deeply entrenched and dependent ?"

  21. The gist of the article: in 2019, at the peak of the longest and most spectacular market bull run in history, while other, younger former startups are going through multi billion dollar IPOs, Evernote is cautiously confident it can, finally, stop bleeding cash and may, finally turn a small profit the first time in a decade. Hopefully. Their “pivot to business” has not worked out (I said so when it was announced, having spent over two decades somewhat involved with software and services procurement).

    In the meantime, they are hoping to start fixing years old bugs,  and are kicking around the idea of hiring high morale, low pay loyal users instead of low morale, expensive industry professionals. And seem to be very proud of the fact that they are not dead yet, unlike some other startups.

    The big looming question is, what happens when the bull market inevitably - and fairly soon - turns into a bear, and people and businesses start rethinking their spending. 

    What they need is yet another pivot - towards consumer. A new, saner pricing strategy, directed at individuals and mom and pop shops. Something to elevate them from the free or value priced competition, that they could sell to the new users. Get away from the startup / IPO mentality, that ship had sailed, hit the iceberg, and sunk years ago. Become a boring business that makes money by selling services to consumers.

    Or, just keep cutting costs, raising prices on captive loyal users, and hoping for the best.

  22. On 6/9/2019 at 1:59 PM, Jeffsky said:

    I said “Real Competitor”.   They may be viewed as competitors in a google search, but that does not make them true competitors for a large percentage of Evernote’s base. How can they compete without the ability to come close in many of the areas that make us Evernote cusomers?  (I.e. Search functionality).   

    That make YOU Evernote customers. What you are basically saying is that Evernote is a perfect solution for the specific user base that loves the way Evernote works. I.e. die hard EN fans. Which is fine and true. But there is real competition out there, and has been for a while now.

    On 6/9/2019 at 1:59 PM, Jeffsky said:

    The other apps are like college teams competing with pro teams.   Would you call them competitors?    Right now Evernote is in a league of its own.   I only wish one of the companies would step up their game to truly compete.  Or, maybe they don’t see Evernote’s market worthy to compete for - Too big of an investment, for too small of a customer base.   

    Again, only when you are talking about die hard Evernote users for which, if it doesn't work like Evernote, it's not going to work.


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  23. On 7/14/2019 at 11:07 AM, DTLow said:

    US NSA/courts, Chinese Government, Google data mining, ...   pick your poison  😮

    Not the same poison.

    US NSA wants to spy on your political views and possible terrorist connections. ("Terrorist" may be defined somewhat broadly...)

    Google wants to build your profile so that they could sell you services, or perhaps down the line influence your vote.

    China wants to do all of the above, plus steal your company's business secrets, your intellectual property, any bit of information that could be used for industrial espionage, plus perhaps money from your bank account because the nameless agent working in a nameless numbered spy unit is underpaid, overworked, unregulated, and wants to have something for himself, too.

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