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  1. Thank you for the link. I have added my vote and commented on it. But as it is written, it is a request for a search function. That request has a low visibility, with very specific use described. So it is probably still better to accumulate the votes here and gather different ways to improve the notes linking. I don't want to search to find the up links: I need to have a simple navigation tool between connected notes. This would bring Evernote to the next level of organisation.
  2. Having an easy way to see and access all the notes linking to a specific note when this note is selected would be very important also for me, saving a lot of time, and avoiding losing information by a better interconnection between the notes. I don't want to have to search manually to show all the links. The up links should be immediately visible when opening the note, either in a side panel, or at the top of the note. I have detailed why I need this feature also in a related comment:
  3. I usually split the information on a topic in multiple notes. I then simply link the detailed information to a master note giving an overview of all the information on that topic. I also organise topics in a hierarchy similar to folders. If I navigate through this information with the current link feature, I can go down very easily in the linked notes. But I cannot go up. Of course I could use the "Go back" button if I am coming from a note. But this is missing the point. There can be multiple "Up" linked notes, and I want to be able to access all of them easily, not only the one I came from. The way around I have now, is to make at the top of the note an "Up links" section where I list the "Up" notes I want to be able to access easily from this point. This double linking is extremely painful, considering that Evernote has all the information to give this information automatically very easily. A very easy feature to implement in Evernote would be to give the option to show all the notes linking to a specific note. This would save me a lot of time in the organisation of my data in Evernote. Most of my notes include many links to other notes. If I cannot find the master note linking all of them, it is much more difficult to find the information I am looking for. I don't think it would be difficult to implement, and it is not such an exotic feature that is user specific. NB: Crusoe might be interesting, but I cannot test this Mac specific app. Also, we should not need a third party app to have such a basic feature.
  4. Done. Well, I think that I have asked pretty explicitly about it... It is fine if you don't know about this feature. but if someone replying here knows (which is most likely for someone developing a product in this direction), I do not find it very honest not top point it out when I have asked so clearly about it. Also your reply here trying to deny everything is not honest. Simply acknowledge it if you don't know anything about this feature, or missed my question! I have put the most relevant link I could find about it. Did I miss something else? I am a Premium user, I don't see the point of sharing a question about Evernote Business, that does not even include any information on showing the activity feed...
  5. Ok, I have received replies from 2 "Guru"s, but nobody told me that the activity stream actually still exists? For someone developing a product around this feature, based on Evernote, it seems unlikely that you do not know about it. So it looks like you are trying to sell a product that is already mostly covered by Evernote by hiding it??? If you really do not know about it, and for other users who will reach this post, here are the steps to show it: Tools -> Customize Toolbar... -> Drag to the toolbar the Activity icon. It does not cover all the aspects of my original post, but it is a good starting point on which Evernote can build.
  6. Thank you. I have received the first daily email today. This is some useful information, considering that Evernote does not give any clue of what is happening. But it is still quite far from what I would expect from a sharing tool. The email is nice, but it would be good also to combine all history in real time as it is produced on my online profile. Will it be in the paid version? Independently of SureNotifier, I feel that the functionalities I have listed should simply be in Evernote, rather than an external tool. I am not going to search the history of notifications emails to find out who was the last person to modify a specific note. I simply want to do a right click on the note and get this information, or even display it directly in the note summary in some way. I would also like to have: A filtering system inside a note showing the text written by other people sharing the note. A simple highlight on the notes that have been modified since the last time I have opened them. ... From a business strategy perspective for SureNotifier, I appreciate that you try to fill some missing features of Evernote. However, I am not ready to pay for this service, except if would become really powerful. So not for sending a few emails, whatever the frequency. I don't see how it would be possible to do that outside of Evernote. Looking forward to test the Android app.
  7. Thank you for the advice. But I don't see any way to access the information to track changes from my computer or online. I cannot get the Android app from my Chinese phone, as it doesn't have Google Play. Any other option? Any reason why the Activity Stream has been removed from the desktop app?
  8. I would like to do simple things like: See who has contributed to a note/notebook. See who has made the last modifications on a note/notebook. Get regular updates when collaborators make changes on a shared note/notebook. Get notified when someone joins a shared note/notebook. Be able to revert changes of another collaborator. Get notified if someone creates or deletes a note. It don't see the point of the sharing functionality if I have no clue what others are doing. When I share an idea here, it is an obvious option to get notified when there are replies. Why isn't it implemented in Evernote? It seems that there was some function like this in the past, with the Activity Stream? Is it still hidden somewhere? https://blog.evernote.com/blog/2012/06/14/evernote-for-windows-know-whats-happening-in-shared-notebooks-with-activity-stream/ Some people also suggest Zapier and IFTTT. But I have seen the option only to get notified when a new note is created. Another tool is the history. But I understand it only takes random snapshots, completely unrelated to who has made some changes.
  9. Some more information from Evernote to support my statements: "Create an Evernote notebook called ‘Contacts’ or ‘Business cards’ and get in the habit of filing scanned business cards there. Coupled with Evernote’s ability to search images for text, recalling any particular business card is a breeze, even if you only remember someone’s company or first name." https://blog.evernote.com/blog/2015/04/06/paper-smart-how-to-manage-business-cards-gracefully/ "Organize 1. Once you’ve captured a business card, use Evernote as you normally would. 2. Record moments from meetings and attach important documents. 3. Forward strategic emails from your new contact into a related notebook. 4. The business card in Evernote becomes a key visual cue for all the experiences following the handshake. The context behind meetings will remain in Evernote, forever." https://blog.evernote.com/blog/2014/05/08/dont-collect-business-cards-capture-forever-evernote/ "if you connect the app to LinkedIn and Facebook, we’ll build rich profiles automatically" https://evernote.com/blog/blog/2013/04/04/evernote-hello-for-iphone-update-passcode-lock-better-business-card-scanning-improved-contacts-and-more/ They have already clearly understood the added value of adding notes to contacts: "Once you’ve collected information about your leads and contacts, you can then connect any relevant Evernote notes to a Salesforce record by linking them together with a single click." https://blog.evernote.com/blog/2013/09/27/introducing-evernote-for-salesforce/ https://evernote.com/blog/blog/2016/06/21/salesforce-business-card-scanning/ The problem is that they have given away the strength of their software to another specialized company. So this amazing tool is available only for professional salespeople. It is a good entry strategy to develop the feature, but in the long term they should keep in their strong capabilities, not lock them away in expensive third party. The only thing they need to do now is to create contact profiles inside Evernote, based on the business cards, and build in the notes-contact linking feature. The partnership with Salesforce will come out even stronger: you simply import contacts from Evernote; all the linking work is already done by Evernote, where it should have stayed in the first place. No need to go back and forth between Evernote and Salesforce: manage your notes and link them properly in Evenote, and do your CRM in Salesforce. And Evernote recovers its multi-purpose ability, so that this capability of importing linked notes-contacts is available to all other people and software, who have different need than Salesforce. Just have a look at the huge number of people requesting this very basic feature of exporting business cards to csv: ........ Someone has even already developed the tool to do that... Please Evernote, listen to your users!
  10. SalesForce is not a contact manager: it is a professional tool for CRM (Customer Relationship Management). A contact manager is something everybody uses, not a CRM. I agree that Evernote needs to remain an all-purpose tool. I do not expect them to implement CRM features. This is exactly my point: contacts are part of everyone's workflow, so it is still something useful for everyone, and that everyone is free to use as he wants. Evernote has positioned itself has an entry point for contact management with the business card reader. They have also created a specific note format for business card, so they have already created the storage format for contacts. They have connected it to LinkedIn already, making it a very powerful business card reader, pulling information from an online profile to complete the business card data. The link to the LinkedIn profile is already included in the contact information, so they have already implemented the first social media information in the contact profile. They have also the ability to connect to Google and import the basic contacts information. So they already know how to pull information from a rich contacts database. The already have sharing capabilities to other social media or emails. So in my opinion there is no discussion whether Evernote should become a Contact Manager: they already are. The point now is simply that they need to do it properly. They have created a specific format to store the contact information, but in the current format, it is very painful to use. They should follow the basic standards of contact management to structure properly the data. I have tried to use Zapier to pull business cards to Google Contacts as you suggest. It is completely ridiculous: all the data ends up in the comments section (maybe I did something wrong?). So I better use another tools to read my business cards, and store the information in my contacts manager without much editing. There might be some tricky ways to manage exporting contact from Evernote to Google Contacts. But this forum is about Product Feedback. If Evernote wants to integrate the business card reader in the all-purpose tool they want to be, they must implement it properly. Adding this capability is not adding more complexity to the product or preventing it from being multi-purpose, but exactly the opposite. If the data entering Evernote through the business card reader is not formatted properly, it is not very interesting. It does not make sense to use another tool to fix what Evernote should have done properly from the beginning. It is fine to use other tools to extract information from Evernote. But the prerequisite is that the information is properly structured from the beginning. On top of this very basic formatting issue they need to fix, I still believe that connecting notes to people is really the next development step, as it is still multi-purpose, and extremely powerful. There is no other software that could compete for such a combination of tools. Evernote have to compete with Microsoft OneNote, with a completely integrated suite of softwares, going from business card reading to powerful text editor, presentations, emails, ... The advantage of Evernote, is that they provide a minimal integrated powerful solution. I don't think it is possible at the moment in OneNote to link notes to people.
  11. Any recommendations on a contact manager that can do the things listed in my post? Evernote has already included some functionalities of a contact manager (business card scanning, special contact note format, automatic lookup from LinkedIn, ...). And many people already use it for contact management, collaborations, task management, ... They just need to use some painful tricks to do what they need. There is a clear added value of creating a contact management system in Evernote. Evernote's core business is taking notes. Adding the contacts layer would create a huge number of new functionalities, as explained in my original post. Most of what we do involves other people, so creating a profile filtering system is very natural. Evernote is not so far from including these functionalities, with huge benefits. They just need to improve the current format of business cards notes to make them more flexible and powerful. This is not a specialized feature, as all users all have an address book. They should keep the format flexible, so that external apps can include more specialized data to a person. SalesForce may be useful for large businesses, but looks completely useless for a simple user: Considering that the cheapest basic plan starts at 25 EUR per month, and you still need to pay more for additional features you want to add, there is no way a simple user can afford it. It is targeted to large businesses, so most of the functions are useless for a simple user, and it is quite painful to find the simple information you expect to see in a simple contact manager. It seems to include only a few social networks, not including LinkedIn: https://help.salesforce.com/apex/HTViewHelpDoc?id=social_networks_overview.htm You might be able to integrate LinkedIn if you pay again for another app: https://help.salesforce.com/apex/HTViewSolution?id=000227237&language=en_US
  12. It would be nice to have an integrated system with more functionalities for contacts management: Create an address book Download from and sync with Google Contacts, Outlook, ... Integrate the Work Chat with the address book Move the current business card note format to a more advanced contact note Contact notes should have functionalities such as: Create contact from business card scan (front and back sides) Add notes to contacts: This could be done automatically with a custom tagging system Allow different languages for each contact: for example, English and Chinese profiles for the same contact Link to and grab info from social media, such as LinkedIn, Facebook, Mendeley, ResearchGate, Google+, ... Automatic lookup of information from social medias Full contact information capabilities: multiple email addresses, phone numbers, webpages, ... Publication list: scientific articles, blogs, tweets, This would allow to move to more complex capabilities, such as better collaborative project management, summary of all interactions with contacts, tagging of people on pictures, ...
  13. The question about sharing was focused on the interaction between Evernote and Yinxiang Biji. I wanted to know if users E and Y can both access and modify a dynamic version of the note. The answer is clearly no: it is not possible to share a note between Evernote and Yinxiang Biji. Of course, there are other sharing options. But they are limited to the sharing options of an Evernote user with another person not using Evernote. It means that you can only send the content of the note to that other person, but he will not be able to modify it: In a static way (fixed content at the time of sending) by sending it by email, or exporting it. So you loose the link to the note in your account. Or dynamic (keeps updating with the note in your account) by sharing a URL or on social media. It will keep the connection to the note in your account. So you cannot share a note in Evernote (international or Chinese) with dynamic editing capabilities if the other person is not using the same version of Evernote as you. Hong-Kong is no behind the Great FireWall, so it is irrelevant. The Chinese Premium subscription is actually much cheaper at 148 RMB per year (20 EUR), compared to 60 EUR for the international version. Some other differences I have identified: Although they are using the same software, you will not have access to the same external apps. There are two separate app centers (https://appcenter.evernote.com/, https://trunk.yinxiang.com/). "You now can choose to integrate your apps with Yinxiang Biji, Evernote, or both." from https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/bootstrap.php. So your favourite app may or may not be available on both. For example, Stickynote is available on both (https://trunk.yinxiang.com/app/stickynote/iphone/), while the WeChat app is available only for Yinxiang Biji users (https://trunk.yinxiang.com/app/myyxbj/weibo/). The compatibility with Yinxiang Biji does not seems to be indicated on the English app center website. Some capabilities like public notes, sharing on social media like facebook are not available in Yinxiang Biji. It is a pity Evernote did not manage to keep all this trouble away from the user, with the ability to sync between international and Chinese servers (even if it would mean paying more for this duplication of files).
  14. Thank you both for your replies. I have done a bit more research, and the answers seem quite depressing. The conclusion is basically: Evernote can only be used by people outside China, sharing with similar people (using Evernote + outside China) Yinxiang Biji can only be used by Chinese speaking people in China, sharing with similar people (unsing Yinxian Biji + Chinese speaking + in China). So if you ever consider using Evernote involving China and other countries at the same time, you should probably give up. There are of course a few ways around, but nothing really practical. [I would be glad to be corrected of course if I am not correct.] I try to give point by point replies: Yes. Both services are using exactly the same Windows desktop application. I guess the same is true for other operating systems? The software is the same, so you can use both accounts with the same software! This sounds great, until you realize that it is in reality making the cohabitation impossible: you cannot use both Evernote and Yinxiang Biji accounts at the same time. You must chose between accounts. "There is no way to log into the Chinese service without completely logging out of the International service, even tough I am an Evernote Premium Account Holder." From https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/66528-chinese-and-international-evernote-co-existing-on-macbook-pro/ You can only switch between Evernote and Yinxiang Biji accounts at the login step: https://help.yinxiang.com/hc/zh-cn/articles/212817298 You can see already here one of the main issue with Yinxiang Biji: all the information, technical support and web application are only in Chinese. So if you are not fluent in Chinese, you can already forget about using Yinxiang Biji. No. The servers are completely separate, and cannot communicate to each other. So if a user E in the US has a Chinese colleague Y using Yinxiang Biji, they cannot share anything, even though you are using exactly the same software. Sure, it is possible to swap between Evernote and Yinxiang Biji. But it involves moving all your data between Evernote servers and Yinxiang Biji servers. If you frequently move in and out of China, this is completely impractical. The best part of this is of course moving to a fully Chinese language only service provider, as I mentioned above... This is not true only on the website if you are not logged in. If you are in China, evernote.com is redirected to yinxiang.com. But there is an option in yinxiang.com to go back to the international website. However, the accounts are completely separate. You cannot login on the Chinese website with your international account, or the other way around. You cannot switch easily between Evernote and Yinxiang Bij. If your account is on Evernote, you can access it only on evernote.com, and if your account is on Yinxiang Biji, you can access it only on yinxiang.com (only in Chinese). This is completely wrong, or at least very misleading if I understand correctly the situation. If you want to share notes with another user, he must create an account. You can of course share an url, but others cannot modify anything. The interesting part is that he must create an account on the same website (international or Chinese). So an Evernote user who wants to share a note to a Chinese colleague on Yinxiang Biji can do it only if his colleague create an account on the international website. As we have seen that you cannot run Yinxiang Biji and Evernote at the same time, I find it pretty useless. The other way around is even worse. As Yinxiang Biji is only in Chinese, if a Chinese user of Yinxiang Biji wants to share a note to a foreign colleague, he will send him an email in Chinese to join the shared note, the link going to a Chinese website, with no English option, where he has to create an account all in Chinese before he can even access the note... Nicely done Evernote! That would make sense to me also... Unfortunately this is not correct: you cannot share notes between Evernote and Yinxiang Biji. You can only fully migrate from one to the other. There is no way to keep the data synced on both accounts. Well, the problem is that they are Chinese language only. So if you are not fluent in Chinese, there is no way to get any information from them. Some other interesting points: If you try to keep your international account in China, it will work barely ok, as long as you force all the other people you want to share data with to create an international account. The syncing will be quite slow (because of the the slow network or intentional restrictions from the government) and unreliable (see for example the discussion link above: "The main reason for the second account is that Evernote International is generally unreliable for sharing Evernote International note links into China."). They admit it themselves on the Chinese website: "印象笔记服务器在国内,有更快更稳定的同步速度和更完善的用户支持服务;". They is the main way to force users to switch to the Chinese version. If you install Evernote on a Chinese Android phone (without Google Play services), you will get constantly the warning "Get Google Play services: Evernote won't run without Google Play services, which are missing from your phone". It is not that I don't want to get Google Play: it is simply impossible on a Chinese Android phone. So far it seems to be syncing notes ok, so I am not sure what limitations are behind this warning. So it seems that Evernote is still not well integrated in the Chinese environment. If you are moving to China and still want to use Evernote, it is probably useful to create a new account on Yinxiang Biji. Keep in mind though that you will have to pay again for premium options, as they are a different service provider. Thinking of keeping two separate accounts? Well, you will have to pay twice :). There is an article from Evernote explaining how to migrate from Evernote to Yinxiang Biji: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/209005017-How-to-migrate-your-account-from-Evernote-to-Yinxiang-Biji. However, there is nothing about migrating the other way. I would expect the process to be the same, but it is not clear if Yinxiang Biji is making changes on the data. Since the Chinese support is only in Chinese, it is probably something I will not try. I have tried to gather here the information I have found useful to decide whether or not to use Evernote or Yinxiang Biji in China.links: Other links: https://www.reddit.com/r/shanghai/comments/3fepfu/does_evernote_work_in_china/ https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/93196-switch-from-yinxiang-back-to-evernote-international/ https://dev.evernote.com/doc/articles/bootstrap.php
  15. I am also very interested in this! Most of the business cards I have are in English on one side, and Chinese on the other side. I will lose half of the business card if I cannot get both sides.
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