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21 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

My position is: Deleting has something final. I think an app can do without, no need to mess with the source file.

Since the import happens within seconds after adding a file to the folder, one can delete them all without a need to wait for something.

I would disagree with this. If you are required to delete manually from the folder then you need to do reconciliation first that all files indeed have been imported (and no errors/skipped files). Thus better to have EN do this once it knows the file has been imported.

Regarding question 2: The import folders functionality was removed with the release of the "improved" version 10 of Evernote. Evernote has been saying for several months now that this functionality is coming back "soon".

I'm using Evernote legacy version instead so can't help with the other questions.

Yup, it has been "Soon" since the launch of the v10 downgrade. There are several users asking for a roadmap but Evernote seems to disagree unfortunately:

Reading the release notes for Windows it is tragic to see how functionality that is standard in Legacy is now communicated as an improvement when it is added back to V10:

Global keyboard shortcut editing is now available via the keyboard shortcuts reference menu. Don’t like the way a global keyboard shortcut is set up? Change it! You can now edit global keyboard shortcuts to find the perfect combination of characters. Access the keyboard shortcuts menu by using Ctrl/Cmd + /

18 hours ago, pansovic said:

I couldn't find any alternative that pleases me that also includes accepting to import the Evernote files. If you have, I like very much to hear about it.

This is a good (but not complete) starting point: noteapps.info

Zendone unfortunately stopped its development about 2-3 years ago. Shame, because it was a great app imo.

Check out https://www.noteapps.info/ where you can filter on the features you'd like and find an appropriate app among the ones indexed.

For me Evernote legacy is currently the best alternative, with Nimbus Note a close second. I've cancelled my EN premium and will decide what to do when my subscription runs out in the summer.

This is a great idea and exactly what I am missing.

A few months ago I signed up for the EN beta. Trying it I found it to be a complete disaster to use given my workflow (no global hotkeys, no settings, no import folder, no default font, etc., etc., etc.) and gave my feedback while uninstalling the beta.

Then came the release of the new clients and it gets even worse: The beta missing features are still missing and it is communicated as an upgrade! Same for Android (e.g. removal of widgets). Luckily I can use legacy.

Given that EN is saying that this is the future I cancelled my premium membership and started evaluating the competition, only to see that Legacy is still the best option for me (I'll re-evaluate again before my paid premium runs out).

Then the EN CEO publishes a blog post saying that there were bugs and issues in the release but doesn't say much about the intentional removal of features.

What I'm still missing from EN is a roadmap or message of where the product is going. Is EN going for a dumbed-down, simpler version or rather keep on being feature-rich? Will I be able to keep using EN? There is still no message about the future (that I've seen) except that they are unifying the underlying code-base (which for me as an end-user, really isn't my concern).

So please: Give us a message about where you are heading @Ian Small! A roadmap of what is coming or at least a general direction.

2 hours ago, Markus (Graz) said:

Can anyone suggest an alternative tool???

For EN-replacement with local storage: Joplin

For EN-replacement with more functionality: Nimbus

For working with flexible documents & databases: Notion

There are plenty more, for example Obsidian. However, none of the options can match all of EN legacy functionality.

Check out noteapps.info for comparisons of some alternatives.

8 hours ago, NorcalScott said:

Update from the CEO of Evernote pertinent to this discussion:

https://evernote.com/blog/state-of-the-product/

He acknowledges they screwed up pushing not ready for prime time versions out.

Very good that we finally see some communication from Evernote about this. However he seems to talk more about bugs and performance issues rather than the very big decision by EN to deliberately remove functionality.

I still miss some kind of roadmap or strategic message on where the product is going medium- to long-term. Towards simplicity (and removed functionality stays off) or towards restoring previous functionality?

14 hours ago, NightStalker said:

"I have no affiliation with the company whatsoever. I hadn't even heard of them until a few days ago."

 

Except that the referral link you posted will give some kind of reward I assume.?

Check out noteapps.info/. There are still plenty of alternatives missing but the comparison is good.

I've been reviewing alternatives for my use case. EN 10 does not work at all for me and the lack of communication from EN about what direction the app is taking is making me frustrated.

Nimbus, Joplin and Amplenote come closest to match my needs but none can match all. I'm sticking with legacy version for now as premium is already paid for several months, but will keep an active eye on the alternatives.

On 10/17/2020 at 3:10 PM, logandb said:

I've downloaded Nimbus and am giving the web, Windows and Android versions a try at the moment.  Nimbus does some things differently to EN (in a good way), but a few things are a bit shaky.  There is a Chrome clipper, although it isn't quite as polished as the EN clipper.

If you import some EN notes from an enex file Nimbus give you a month of premium to try.

Nimbus Note seems like a very good alternative to EN, having given it a quick try my first impressions are these:

Plus with Nimbus

• Very feature rich
• Active development
• Smart functions
• Communication with their support very good

Negative with Nimbus

• Web clipper (tried both Firefox and Chrome) not at all as good as EN clipper
• Windows app not native and seem to be missing some functions compared to web
• No import folder
• Fewer apps integrate with Nimbus

Important with Nimbus

One thing to pay attention to with Nimbus though is that it seems you don't own your data! See below taken from their T&C (bolding mine):

The Company does not guarantee the security of any information transmitted to or from the Website. Any material, information or other communication You transmit or post to the Website will be considered non-confidential. The Company will have no obligations with respect to such communications. By transmitting or posting any information, You grant the Company an unrestricted royalty free right to copy, disclose, distribute, otherwise dispose and use of such information.

As I read the this paragraph they're basically saying that you they can disclose what I upload as they prefer. I've asked them what this means and am waiting for the answer still (support answered quickly, but needed to check with legal).

It is a shame how EN is handling this release. If there was clear communication and roadmap then I'd be more confident to stay. As it is now I'm using the legacy version. I asked them (recently) for both roadmap and how long legacy will remain but they haven't replied yet.

This reminds of IQTell. They had a great product and then started developing a new version. The new version had some minor enhancements but broke workflow and lacked many of the key features power users where using in the old version. The product management team did not answer questions and/or removed posts asking about lack of features. In the end they went out of business.

This really bugs me as well. When using the hotkey to create a new note from anywhere I always have to check that the right default notebook is selected for it. Net notes should always have the default notebook in use unless I create a note by right-clicking inside a notebook.