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  1. 1 hour ago, jefito said:

    Oh? Are you sure about that? You know what I do for work?

    I told you in my industry it would make life a lot easier and if you had my job you'd agree. That's also backed up by none of the (clever but useless) workarounds that have been suggested being an alternative. I'm glad you don't need this feature to be happy with evernote, but I do.

     

    1 hour ago, jefito said:

    Hey, great development strategy: "hide it from the noobz!". If you hide it, then how do the "superduperpowerusers" get to learn about it? Do they need to take a test? If you make it obscure/hidden, then you're probably going to make it hard for the to get at conveniently for those who require it. 

    Ok so you don't like it when it's in plain sight and you also don't like it when it's obscured? Where's the logic in that? Again there are plenty of programs that have "advanced" options. Hell even my Synology NAS at home has it. How do people learn about it? By checking the settings and pressing the "Expert options" button. By RTFM. By Googling. Where would you put it? I have no preference I just threw this idea of putting it into the settings into the thread since I can understand how newbies could be confused by it.

     

    1 hour ago, jefito said:

    Cool. I'd fix Facebook is it were open source, too. So:

    You'll be handling the case where a user wants to search for exactly the tag, and not its synonyms?

    And it'll work with wildcards in the search language (e.g. tag:xyz*)?

    And synonyms work with shared notebooks, so a group can have a shared vocabulary?

    And you're gonna fix the Evernote servers, too, since not all Evernote clients have local storage?

    Don't forget, you need to update the API and all of the underlying data storages across all client programs to accommodate the new stuff.

    And you'll do it all without turning a standard AND search into an OR search?  (This is the downfall of the 'Automatically select child tags" search option -- or one of them -- in my opinion).

    Did I miss anything?

    Are you an evernote dev or why are you so against this functionality? Yes it would be easy to implement when compared to some of the beefier functions that evernote has, like in-pdf or OCR searching. I'm sure the dev team is more than capable to implement this. I can code c++ too which to my knowledge is what evernote is written in. And while I'm not a whole dev team I could absolutely implement this functionality if it was my 9 to 5 job to do it.

     

    1 hour ago, jefito said:

    Short of just agreeing on a canonical tag language that you share among your colleagues, I agree. It's just a matter of how large an audience this would have among the the general Evernote user population versus level-of-effort to implement that feature versus other features. I find it an interesting idea on one hand, but I'd doubt that it gains much traction compared to other widely requested features. I wish you luck anyways.

    Fair enough. I see a lot of use for this in multiple industries, but probably not a lot of them would come here to speak their voices. Let's take journalists for example which could use tag aliases for different spellings of names i.e. "Muammar Gaddafi", "Moammar Kadafi" etc. Or then there's Biochemistry (my area) which is not only plagued by synonymes when it comes to chemicals but also for biological targets like "PTGDR2", "GPR44", "PGD2R", "DP2", "CRTH2" all being different names for the same receptor. Anyway, thanks for your input.

     

    1 hour ago, DTLow said:

    Not commenting on the ease of implementing this feature, the fact remains Evernote has to prioritize the development work.
    You can influence the prioritisation by indicating your support using the voting buttons in the top left corner of the discussion
    This feature request is up to 5a85c2ef6a717_ScreenShot2018-02-15at09_26_33.png.05f9565ba627a2e481d41fc862c5a45a.png  votes

    Of course. Just wanted to chime in with a comment too, on top of giving my vote.

  2. On 29.1.2018 at 12:16 PM, gazumped said:

    Agreed they're not synonyms in my usage,  but why couldn't you keep a note containing all your brand / chemical / CAS names as a comma separated list and just copy/ paste the relevant items into the tag field as "<brand>,<chemical>,<CAS>,"?

    Because it's extra, repetitive work that is added to my workflow and it would create unneeded extra tags. If I read a study and use webclipper I'll have to first open evernote, locate the tag list that you suggest then paste it into webclipper.

     

    On 29.1.2018 at 6:33 PM, jefito said:

    This feature is still a reach for me, in terms of general utility.

    Because you haven't worked in a field where synonymes are a daily occurence.

     

    On 29.1.2018 at 6:33 PM, jefito said:

    In terms of workarounds, if you don't have a huge number of synonym clusters (e.g. "Ibutamoren/MK677/159752-10-0"), then you could possibly use saved searches. What synonyms actually express, under the hood, though, is really an OR search. In this case, you're saying a search for notes with tag "MK677" should return all notes that have any of the tags "MK677", Ibutaamoren" or "159752" (we'll ignore the fact that a tag with dash characters in it like "159752-10-0" can be problematic in Evernote). That search would be expressed in Evernote as: any: tag:Ibutamoren tag:MK677 tag:"159752-10-0".  So do that search, and save it as, say MK677. Note that you could dispense with the 'tag:' portion, and your search would include notes that have any of those literal values in their titles or content.

    Of course, if you have a lot of synonym clusters, then this becomes very awkward in short order. Also, you can't really combine these saved-search synonyms in a simple way, partly because you can only invoke one saved.search at a time, and partly because Evernote's search language is weak in the area of Boolean expressions.

    That's an interesting idea but as you already put it, it becomes messy over time.

     

    On 29.1.2018 at 6:33 PM, jefito said:

    I have a lot of doubts as to whether many people would find a synonym feature of much use; my guess is that it would cause more confusion about tag and tagging practices.

    It's not confusing unless it's shoved into newbie's faces. Putting/enabling it somewhere not easily accessible such as the settings would prevent new users from getting confused. That's why many other programs hide their more complicated features and settings in an "advanced" or poweruser expandable tab. Programming wise, an alias for tags would be extremely simple to implement. I'd do it myself if evernote was open source.

     

    On 29.1.2018 at 6:33 PM, jefito said:

    I can see synonyms being useful for general content search, but for a tag collection that your organization controls, I'd just come up with one tag name for each synonym cluster (I'd use the shortest convenient name, like "MK677"), and use that exclusively. Put the tag names in a list that's shared by all users so that everyone knows what your tag vocabulary is and what it means. 

    That is one solution but not always easy to manage. For one it won't allow webclipper to auto tag because even if we use a standard tag, the rest of the internet won't. Right now the "Ibutamoren/MK677/159752-10-0" tag works in the evernote windows client, because the tag search is greedy. Meaning if you search for MK677 the entire tag will be returned. However the webclipper search is not greedy. To get the tag I stated above you WILL have to start the tag search with "Ibutamoren...", searching for any of the other parts of the tag will not bring it up. And auto tagging also doesn't work with a tag like this.

     

    On 29.1.2018 at 6:53 PM, CalS said:

    Not clear why adding a tag per each of the components isn't a way to solve the issue, without synonyms though.  Enter any of the three components in a search and the same set of records would be returned.  If it's an entry issue which tag would be the "prime" synonym?

    Answered in the replies to the quotes above. As per the "prime" synonyme, it doesn't really matter to me that much. The way I would envision this is that in the tag-view in the evernote client you maybe could create a tag, then right click that tag, have a functionality "synonymes" where you can create tag synonymes. Of course these synonymes could then not be used as "real" tag names.

     

    I appreciate all of your inputs, but there's simply no other way than a tag alias functionality to solve this problem efficiently and in a neat, clean way. (the way evernote should be used)

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  3. On 1/25/2018 at 7:44 PM, DTLow said:

    I didn't understand the original request, or your example.  When I filter for "x", I only want to see "x" and nothing else

    Windows has a "child tag search" feature that might work for you

    They're not child tags they're synonyms. In my example the first one is the brand name, then the chemical name and lastly the CAS number - all of which describe the same substance. It would be very helpful if I could set all these different names as one tag, both for my own overview and for the web clipper. Putting all these names as one string divided by slashes is just the workaround that I am currently forced to use. Basically, we would like to have aliases.

     

    On 1/26/2018 at 2:42 AM, gazumped said:

    I tend to keep tags as text entries in an 'index' note,  and run them together as comma-separated strings when I know I'll need specific sets of tags for a specific project.  I just copy and paste the string into a tag field and watch several individual tags spawn from that.  This forinstance -

    <tag1>,<tag2>,<tag3>,<tag4>,<tag5>,

    - will produce 5 separate tags when pasted into a note tag field.

    It's a solution but it's not very practical and will grow the tag cloud. Also it seems that the tags you're pasting aren't all describing the same thing (synonyms) which is what the OP and I need.

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  4. I need this functionality too it is severely crippling and illogical to use pseudo tagging. Here's 90% of my workflows:

    1. Gather data for things I research on the internet.
    2. Clip found data into evernote, thanks to webclipper it almost always picks the right notebook to clip into.
    3. Brainstorm/grade collected data later on, easy to do with almost folder like hierarchy.

    But I've ran up a ton of note stacks. I need deeper nesting. 

    So this is what my new workflow should be?

    1. Gather data on the internet.
    2. Clip it into evernote.
    3. Think about hierarchical tag structure for that note
    4. Implement tag structure to each clipped note manually
    5. Note down my tag structure in some graphical overview/make a picture
    6. Use the correct tag search to get all my tags for the "folder"
    7. Brainstorm/grade collected data later on

    Seriously? That's extremely primitive. I'll jump ship towards another note taking tool as soon as I find one with pdf and ocr searching which is somewhat as advanced as Evernote. Does Evernote realize/care that it's ruining its industry leading product by simply not caring about a functionality that has been requested for 8 years and has been shoved aside without a single explanation why it will not be implemented?

    Also please consider how annoying this would be on an android. I don't know about everyone else but my typing speed on a mobile is at least halfed compared to the desktop if not quartered. So am I really expected to type out PDFs.Biology.Cancer.Research.In-Vivo.Finished to find my pdf's? You know what would help a lot in this case? Folder-like tree navigation that you simply open up with a finger tap.

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