Jump to content

WeCanLearnAnything

Level 4
  • Posts

    316
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    1

Posts posted by WeCanLearnAnything

  1. Are you actually claiming that Federico Simionato, who posts here and interacts with users here, does not hang out here?

    Of course not.

    His many posts falsify your claim that Evernote employees don't hang out here. Perhaps my wording was inexact. But his posts falsify your claim nonetheless.

    Plus there are likely other employees who likely do hang out here but do not post here. Plus there has been massive employee turnover and you are presuming all the new ones are not and will not be here. Plus you also have repeatedly dodged my points about your rude tone. I cannot think of a good faith reason for not addressing these points and you have not been willing to provide one. If your next post to me does not address directly the points I made in this paragraph, I will stop reading your posts.

    • Haha 1
  2. I don't know which year you meant by "2024".

    But Ian Small's last visit to these forums was January 2023. His last post was 2021.

    image.thumb.png.2a38d572b0812cae67f0fa71503a2b99.png

     

    image.thumb.png.6db151a2a1560149b73200566e33ce95.png

     

    Austin G posted about a little over a year ago.

    image.thumb.png.4b8842e511039d67db571a263fdf4ed2.png

     

     

     

    Federico Simionato posted twice in the last 24 hours and dozens of times in the past month or so, often responding to user-generated threads and posts.

    Is that recent enough for you?

     

    image.thumb.png.ebbedbefed1113e690b425b846032f77.png

     

    Your claim that Evernote employees do not post in these forums is falsified.

    More thorough searching might find more employee posts in these forums (I don't know enough employee names to search) and I'd bet there are a ton more employees reading than writing.

    Are you still defending

    • Your presumption that new and future employees of Evernote do not and will not post here?
    • More-or-less criticizing me for asking Evernote employees fair and important questions on the assumption that they might read and respond?
    • The tone in your previous post?
  3.  

    On 9/1/2023 at 10:59 AM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

    Naïve boy that I am, I'm going to try taking you at your word after all. Of course, there aren't Evernote employees hanging out here. [Emphasis added]...

     

    The emphasized claim appears quite false.

    Here are two example posts from an Evernote employee in this very thread.

     

    On 10/9/2020 at 10:12 AM, Shane D. said:

    Hi All,

    I'm using this thread to centralize posts regarding app performance issues.

    This will help me better track your issues. I'll be looking to merge threads that fit the description into this one.

     

    On 10/13/2020 at 12:55 PM, Shane D. said:

    Hi All,

    Just wanted to let you know that we are tracking your reported issues.

    Additionally, I've created the Mac equivalent of this thread here:

     

     

    Here are more posts from other employees elsewhere in these forums.

     

    On 12/15/2020 at 11:04 PM, Austin G said:

    Hey everyone. Thanks for your feedback. We hear you and will continue to work on performance. Our 10.5 update released today contains performance improvements for note loading, the sidebar, and attaching files.

    But we're not done.  If performance issues continue on 10.5 please let us know with the following details in your report: 

    • Note Count
    • Specific actions in the app that are too slow For example, Files ~XMB in size take too long to attach. Merging X# of notes with X# of attachments takes too long .etc.
    • If possible, a screen recording of the behavior 
    • If you notice the issue while working with specific notes, and you're comfortable  sharing them  please attach an exported .enex copy of the note  or include a note link. 

    These details will help up prioritize our areas of ongoing performance improvements. thanks again. 

     

    On 12/2/2020 at 1:25 PM, Austin G said:

    Understood. You don't need access to that inbox to login to Evernote. Just type the email address and evernote account PW you used to login. Let me know if you see any errors when trying to login  using that original email and PW. thanks!

     

    The CEO of Evernote posted in these forums, dozens of times.

     

    image.jpeg.f4d069c37f5f28a8b6c4a0f5a985780f.jpeg

     

    Furthermore, there has been massive employee turnover at Evernote.

     

    On 9/1/2023 at 10:59 AM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

    Naïve boy that I am, I'm going to try taking you at your word after all. Of course, there aren't Evernote employees hanging out here. I'm even going to suppose that after years of using these forums you didn't realize that. [emphasis added] So, naïvely, I'll pipe up.

     

     

    You're right - I have been in these forums for years. And I have seen employees posting in them.

    The only way I can see your claim, tone, and supposition as even remotely defensible is if:

    (a) You haven't been paying attention to all the posts by employees in these forums for years AND

    (b) You somehow know that after nearly 100% recent employee turnover, none of the new employees will be involved in these forums AND

    (c) Anybody who doesn't know (b) is an idiot.

    The chance that (a), (b), and (c) are all true/reasonable is negligible. Your condescending tone built on falsehoods... is really not helpful. If anything, you ought to apologize.

     

     

    On 9/1/2023 at 10:59 AM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

    (1) In my experience, Evernote v. 10 is feature-rich and yet reasonably easy to use. Its basic functions absolutely work. So do  some pretty exotic ones, like OCR-searchable images and PDFs...

     

    After the fiery passion I read about in this thread recently, I decided there *must* be something to V10 worth experiencing. I did try the web version as stated above, but that literally did not work at all.

    So, this afternoon I downloaded the V10 for Windows.

    Within a few minutes, I noticed

    1. GOOD: Dark mode is excellent. 🎊
    2. GOOD: Tables and formatting both appear improved by about an order of magnitude. 👍So, two major improvements right off the bat, at least when messing around with a blank note. Then I started going into my old stuff...
    3. ANNOYING: Note load times were slow, especially if there was a picture. Pictures loaded section by section over 5+ seconds, even if I had just had the note open a minute earlier. 😕
    4. DEAL BREAKER 1: Copy/Paste failed very badly, immediately followed by an Evernote pop up ad. The pop up ad may have been random, but it did come up during this recording and some of the other times I was reproducing the bug. 😠

    941rCeQ.gif

     

       5. DEAL BREAKER 2: There was an upload or sync error for no apparent reason. :angry:

    did-not-sync.thumb.jpg.6d11d67ddb11af7763121e93ffe91348.jpg

     

    So, in my experiences with V10, on both the web and desktop clients - the only ones I need - Evernote's most basic features do not  "just work", while everything else on my computer seems to be working just fine.

    😞

     

    On 9/1/2023 at 10:59 AM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

    Whether the software will last for years is not within my experience. It's computers on a badly damaged planet, who knows whether anything will last for many years. Evernote has been around for most of this century, which is not bad as software goes, especially software that (you claim) has never delivered on promises of reliability.

    (2) If the software and storage are reliable, I don't feel the need for portability. For those who do, others here can discuss the various export possibilities. As for "many years," see above.

    One of the nice things about Evernote is that I don't need to learn a special formatting language like Markdown. I can just type, using standard keyboard shortcuts for basic formatting, and either shortcuts or menus for less-basic.

    I can't imagine a future in which I do not need portability. After having been burned many a times, I am trying to shed anything that doesn't emphasize portability.

    Other than tables, it only took a few minutes for Markdown to feel intuitive. YouTube introduction to Markdown are usually a few minutes long.

     

    On 9/1/2023 at 10:59 AM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

    Don't know about @CalS, but I do [have a WYSIWYG HTML editor]. It's called Evernote.

    So there are some, I hope, straightforward answers to purportedly straightforward questions. If your experience differs from my experience, so be it. But since you're sincerely asking, not trolling, I'm sincerely answering.

    I'm glad it's good enough for your needs. But total failures of V10 on the web, then copy/paste failures followed by a pop up ad, and a sync/upload fail, all coming from a company whose stability is not discernable to outsiders (mass layoffs, major price changes, acquisition at unknown price, etc.) ... Man, that does not come anywhere near meeting my needs.

    The improvements in the dark mode, formatting, and tables, though, were enough to convince me not to delete my Evernote account. Instead, I made a note - in another app - to retry Evernote in 2026. But until then, I think I'm done with Evernote.

    See you all in a few years.

  4. 7 minutes ago, Boot17 said:

    #1 - It has been for me - 99.99% - not perfect, but it has been pretty good. (And I expect it to get better now that BS is hyper focused on improving performance and reliability.) In your use case above that you struggled with -- it took me 3 seconds to do the same.

    #2 - For sure as durable, not quite as portable since there seems to be more support out there for markdown than ENEX/xml. But even a human can read an XML file -- the same as markdown. As long as I can export my Evernote notes into ENEX (XML/plain text) and get out the images, PDFs and other documents just fine then I have no worry. And I can do that now. There are also other third party tools that can backup/export Evernote into many different formats. If this is a concern for anyone using Evernote than they should periodically export/backup to another tool (and it's a good practice for anything -- you don't want your markdown files to *only* be on your one or even two devices).

    Thanks for your perspective.

    I hope that "BS is hyperfocused on improving performance and reliability", but I just find such promises hard to believe after hearing similar promises for so many years. David Pogue complained about Evernote slowness in 2015. There are still pretty bad complaints about slowness and sync problems in the forums 8 years later. Perhaps I'll reconsider Evernote after the basic features just work... but I don't think I can tolerate using slow and unreliable software, waiting indefinitely for that to be fixed.

    Can you share some of those tools for exporting Evernote data?

  5. 28 minutes ago, CalS said:

    Workflowy for notes and tasks.  Rolled my own repository using Windows folders and Windows indexing for my paperless stuff, with MEGA as the sync engine.  Directory Opus as the gateway to the repository (file explorer on steroids).   Put all my 56k EN notes in the repository in HTML form.  I am amazed at the speed of Windows search (27 GB repository).  Fast or maybe faster than legacy EN for me.  It is a solution cobbled to my needs, not for everyone.  FWIW..

    Interesting. I use Dynalist for tasks now and it works pretty well.

    If your notes are in HTML, does that not drastically slow down the speed at which you can edit them? Or do you have some kind of WYSIWYG editor for HTML? (Forgive me if this is a dumb question as I know very little about software.)

  6. @CalS   I get where you're coming from - even if the beating dogs comparison is ridiculously harsh - but isn't the situation with Evernote now fundamentally different? Nearly all of the US and Chilean employees were laid off recently and operations shifted to Europe. Might the new/newly empowered EU employees have new ideas/insights/perspectives?

    And, BTW, what are you using for note-taking nowadays?

  7. 7 hours ago, WilliamL said:

    Well that’s not true at all is it. You have literally written you have no need of it so why are you here? It’s for attention and frankly I’m done giving it to you. 

    11 hours ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

    @WeCanLearnAnything, quoting stuff about bugs getting fixed in 2014 and 2015 proves less than nothing about Evernote today. If Obsidian has never had a bug that needed fixing, then congrats, you've found the Holy Grail of software. If they've ever had to fix a bug, oops. If they've ever had to fix a bug and then fix something the fix unfixed, then they're as terrible as Evernote, I guess.

    EDIT: Perhaps the problem of Evernote's "history of" whatever comes from the fact that Evernote has a history (for much of which it has been declared nearly dead, and yet...). Obsidian just got here. Give it some time to act like ... a software company.

    You and I agree on almost nothing and further chatter seems pointless. Fire off whatever else illogical, unfair, ad hominem, and meaningless, whatever, I'm done.

    @WilliamL Did you read my posts?

    If not, I'll recap: I stoped using Evernote regularly a while back. I've found that I need

    (1) Simple, reliable software and

    (2) Durable and portable data/files.

    I then came back to the Evernote web client to see if it could meet my needs. It did not, glitching very badly, twice.

    My purpose in these forums is to ask more knowledgeable users if Evernote has changed their ways towards (1) and (2). I was curious.

    Instead, the "more knowledgeable users have falsely accused me of: lying, seeking atention, ad hominem, etc.

    @Dave-in-Decatur compares any/tiny bugs in Obsidian (e.g. something being incorrectly indented in V1.3.1, fixed in V1.3.2) with showstopper bugs in Evernote (e.g. notes like @DarrylG's that don't update, my random log outs in web client, etc.).

    All of that and still nobody has affirmed Evernote's ability to deliver (1) or (2)!  I really wanted to have those two reasons to come back.

    Since all respondents so far here appear to prefer snark, anger venting, personal attacks, etc., I'll ask another way, a final time:

    @EvernoteEmployees:

    (1) Is Evernote software simple and reliable? i.e. Will it last for many years? Do its basic functions just work?

    (2) Is the data as durable and portable as, say, markdown files? Will it last for many years?

  8. @PinkElephant

    Regarding the tone, I wrote

    On 8/27/2023 at 8:57 PM, WeCanLearnAnything said:

    ... Perhaps you could try replying by saying what you mean literally. Or if you have nothing useful to say, you can also choose to not respond.

     

    Perhaps I was not explicit enough: If you can't write respectfully and truthfully, you should write nothing, and you know it.

     

    Now, onto your falsehoods.

     

    On 8/29/2023 at 12:47 PM, PinkElephant said:

    @WeCanLearnAnything Clearly you say you will never pay, so give them a reason to keep folk like you on their servers for nothing indefinitely ?!

     

    Your comment is falsified by

    On 8/29/2023 at 9:06 AM, WeCanLearnAnything said:

    ...

    Evernote could convince me to pay by creating reliable software combined with files and data that are very likely to last for decades. Clearly, Evernote offers neither, so I'm not interested in paying.

     

    Here, you appear to falsely accuse me of lying and call me and/or the lies "disgustful". At a minimum, you grouped me with other people you call "a bad bunch" and more or less call them disgusting liars.

    On 8/29/2023 at 12:47 PM, PinkElephant said:

    ... But these guys who are proud to declare "Oh, I could pay, but they allow me to use the service since 10 years for free, so why should I subscribe" are a bad bunch. Only topped by those who say they are on board since 10 years, and everything was and is miserable, and if EN would "fix" this and that, they would subscribe.

    Because beside being a modern clone of Mr. Scrooge, these guys are plain liars on top of it all. Disgustful.

     

    Your presumptuous and judgmental comment about "a bad bunch" is unworthy of these forums.

    Here is one of my receipts from when I paid Evernote.

    image.thumb.png.89c0d9c513e05c1169ca922ebb08b8bc.png

     

    I stopped paying after a couple of months because Evernote was way too buggy. My posting history in these forums clearly shows me persistently begging Evernote to focus on reliability, not fluff. I begged for years.

    Evernote did not deliver.

    Previously, a reliable application would have been something I would have paid for. Evernote never offered it.

    Now, I'd like reliable software PLUS files and data that will stand the test of time. I don't want to pay for Evernote's lock-in features which do the exact opposite of what I want.

    Anyways, @PinkElephant, it does not appear you want to communicate respectfully or truthfully, so perhaps you should stop replying to my posts and stop addressing me. Perhaps you could learn to address your apparent anger issues instead. Disrespectfulness and falsehoods do not contribute positively to these forums.

  9. On 8/28/2023 at 8:57 AM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

    Just to be clear, the apparent consistency comes from the poster creating near-identical titles for the links. The linked content is quite varied.

     

    The consistency comes from consistent content. Perhaps you say big differences in the announcements because you're deep in the weeds - the same way an expert pianist perceives big differences between 4 pianists playing the same sonata - but for most users, the announcements are basically the same.

    Example quotes from those links:

    • The 2014 link

      • Jason Kincaid: "Evernote’s applications are glitchy to the extreme; they feel as if they’re held together by the engineering equivalent of duct tape,” Kincaid wrote, noting he’s jotted more than 7,000 notes using the service."

      • Evernote CEO Phil Libin: “... in the big picture, he’s right. We’re going to fix this.”

    • The 2015 link

      • David Pogue: "... I sent him a list of bugs and problems. He could not have been more gracious or more determined to make things better."

      • Chris O'Neill: “We already have the team working to replicate and resolve the bugs you found,” he said, “and we are working around the clock with a significant portion of our development team building a better editor.”

    • The 2019 link

      • Ian Small: "... each version of Evernote ... exhibits its own unique collection of bugs and undesirable behaviors. ... in order to invent the future of Evernote, we first need to improve Evernote’s foundations"

    • The 2023 link

      • "as the company’s stewards our immediate priority is to make the fundamentals far more solid than has been the case"

     

    On 8/28/2023 at 8:57 AM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

    As for branding and socks, years old, who cares, might as well blame Windows 11 for Clippy. Do I smell gas?

    As for the socks, I mentioned them as evidence of Evernote's longtime shiny-new-object syndrome that does not appear to be fading.

    If Microsoft was still outputting junk as stupid as Clippy in Windows 11, then Clippy would serve as evidence of deep entrenchment of shiny-new-object syndrome and being out of touch with users.

    But Microsoft changed their ways.

    Evernote has not.

     

    On 8/28/2023 at 8:57 AM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

    WRT price increases for features you don't want or need, good for you on finding Obsidian, but other people do in fact want and need those features, and a fair number of us find them worth paying for. But since you're a FREE USER anyway, what do you care about price increases? Hope that Obsidian or whatever continues to be developed as a hobby by its developer, who'll never get a dime from your use of a product that is exactly what you need.

     

    I'm not upset over the price increase's impact on my personal finances, lol. The fact they did this, while laying off a ton of employees, moving continents, and not offering a rock-solid product, etc., can't help but make me think the product and company are/were not stable or sustainble. They said so themselves. From the 2023 link: "... a few short months ago Evernote’s prospects were rather gloomy..."

    And I'm using Obsidian for free now, but may start paying for their sync if it's worth paying for.

    Unlike Evernote, Obsidian only has 15 employees. They seem to be doing OK. 🙂

  10. On 8/27/2023 at 10:21 AM, WeCanLearnAnything said:

     

    ...

    I tried to check Evernote web to see what it was like. Here is what happened:

    1. I signed in.
    2. A loading screen appeared for a long time.
    3. It finally loaded the old Evernote web version, which if I recall correctly, lacked many basic features and wasn't very compatible in terms of tables, formatting, etc. with the desktop versions.
    4. I clicked to see the new Evernote web.
    5. It showed me an ad, offering me 40% off, but before I could do anything, Evernote logged me out for no apparent reason.
    6. I signed in again.
    7. Another loading screen lasted a long time.
    8. A popup forces me to either sign up for a free trial - presumably giving credit card information - or I can sign out of other devices. I don't see any way to access the old Evernote web.
    9. I give up.

    At this point, I cannot think of any reason at all to come back to Evernote. If anybody can, please reply. Otherwise, I'll probably delete my Evernote and Evernote Discussion accounts forever in a month or two.

     

    On 8/29/2023 at 10:11 AM, WilliamL said:

    What’s the issue then? If you have free options more suited to your needs, you have no issue. Evernote is what it is, you either see value in that or you don’t, either is fine - based on circumstances and needs. 

     

    I came back to Evernote and to these forums to see what the software was like and to ask more experienced users of V10 if there's anything I don't know about it that might be a reason to give Evernote one last try before cutting ties for good.

    I was and remain genuinely curious.

    So far, I've gotten snark, false accusations, and eye rolls, but nobody has listed a single reason to stick with Evernote, not to mention actually paying for it. I'll wait a little while longer.

  11. On 8/28/2023 at 12:44 AM, WilliamL said:

    Evernote doesn’t limit the devices to two - that restriction is only there for people who want to use it for free. Software costs to be developed, they have to encourage people to pay to keep the machine going as it were.  If you think Obsidian is a good option maybe that’s the right one for you, for me obsidian can’t cut it, I copy text in and out and I want consistent formatting, EN does that with ease, obsidian can’t. 

    You're right. I'm only talking about free options. Why would I do that?

    There are superior free options out there for my needs.

    In the past 10 years, Evernote has been quite buggy and unreliable, feature bloated, the company has chased weird shiny new things, and I actually was a paying customer previously.

    If I had told anybody two months ago that ~all US employees were on the brink of being laid off and that Evernote finances were still unsustainable/unprofitable and had been for years, who here would have believed it? [Source: Verge article, Arts Technica]

    Evernote could convince me to pay by creating reliable software combined with files and data that are very likely to last for decades. Clearly, Evernote offers neither, so I'm not interested in paying.

  12. 4 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

    You know how popular kids are who pick only the cherries from a cake, leaving the crumbs for the others ? That's my equivalent for people coming here to post a very narrow selection of features. Half of them are even wrong when comparing, but never mind.

    Farewell - only eating cherries give a sore stomach.

    I don't know what it means to "post a very narrow selection of features" or what that has to do with cherries and crumbs from a cake. I don't know if I am in the half that you believe are making wrong comparisons or what those wrong comparisons are.

    Perhaps you could try replying by saying what you mean literally. Or if you have nothing useful to say, you can also choose to not respond.

  13. 37 minutes ago, Boot17 said:

    They've probably moved on to something like Obsidian -- since the referenced "file over app" specifically mentions that markdown app. But it could be any app where your notes aren't housed within the app, rather they are external to it.

    I checked Evernote v10 on web just now to see what it was like too. I clicked a bookmark and it opened within 3 seconds ready to go. Pretty nice.

    Obsidian is probably going to do it for me. Owning my own data, a durable file format, collapsible sections, and basic features that **JUST WORK** - this is all I need. Evernote offers none this.

  14. 57 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

    The web works very well for me, as does EN 10. I guess if you’re having to ask what’s the point of the app for you and you simply want to take notes it’s maybe not the right app for you? EN is great for notes but as you say Apple notes can do that. 

    Evernote limits the number of devices to two! I have EN6 installed on my desktop and laptop, so it won't let me experience the web version.

    Given EN10's offerings - feature bloat that makes your data not very portable - I can't imagine it's worth the effort to try.

  15. On 8/22/2023 at 4:38 AM, DarrylG said:

    Long term EN paying user here ... Like many people in this forum I've been frustrated by EN over the years. They seem to focus on shiny new toys while ignoring the basics. Like many, I tried to ignore the BS. What is killing me now is this real time editing/syncing rubbish. Sometimes notes "upgrade", sometimes not. I've had one note open for 10mins now and it still says "Saving ..." in the bottom-right corner.

    Plainly EN management (I use the term very loosely here) are out to lunch. Perhaps the company is going down the tubes - it happens. Such a pity because for years, EN was the player to beat. Maybe there was a change of CEO or something, but at a certain point which I can't put my finger on, EN started going downhill and the slide not only continues, but the pace is increasing. It takes a special lack of talent to do that to a star player.

    Anyway, with that off my chest, I'm actively looking into alternatives and I want to say a big thank-you to the people on this forum who have made suggestions.

    Best of luck, everyone ...

     

    I left Evernote a while back for markdown files the following reasons:

    (1) File over app

    (2) $0 price for unlimited devices, cloud synced easily

    (3) This extraordinarily consistent string of promises:

    I'm sure there are many more promises from ads, blog posts, discussion threads, etc. about fixing bugs, firm foundations, making Evernote just work, etc. All I see are device limitations, branding changes, business socks, a home screen (the scratch pad is a note-taking app within a note-taking app), price increases for features I don't want or need, etc.

    Can anybody imagine Apple Notes acting like this for 9 years?

    All I really need is are simple, reliable notes. File over app meets that need. Evernote does not.

    I tried to check Evernote web to see what it was like. Here is what happened:

    1. I signed in.
    2. A loading screen appeared for a long time.
    3. It finally loaded the old Evernote web version, which if I recall correctly, lacked many basic features and wasn't very compatible in terms of tables, formatting, etc. with the desktop versions.
    4. I clicked to see the new Evernote web.
    5. It showed me an ad, offering me 40% off, but before I could do anything, Evernote logged me out for no apparent reason.
    6. I signed in again.
    7. Another loading screen lasted a long time.
    8. A popup forces me to either sign up for a free trial - presumably giving credit card information - or I can sign out of other devices. I don't see any way to access the old Evernote web.
    9. I give up.

    At this point, I cannot think of any reason at all to come back to Evernote. If anybody can, please reply. Otherwise, I'll probably delete my Evernote and Evernote Discussion accounts forever in a month or two.

    • Like 1
  16. 5 hours ago, DarrenP said:

    ...

     

    As a long time subscriber of Evernote (since 2010), this is the worst performance of the Evenote windows client i've ever seen. 
    It's just plain unacceptable for what is supposed to be a mature product.  I don't care about new features - i just need the core functionality to work well!

    ...

     

    I'm with you completely but I sometimes wonder whether we are among the 1% that value performance of core functions (reading and writing) over what we perceive as frills (logo redesign, to do list functions), but the other 99% is happy to deal with universal sluggishness if they can type a task with a checkbox.

    If we are in the minority, as I suspect we are, then I doubt Evernote will ever cater to us.

    Despite @Ian Small saying that performance (and sync) improvements would come first, it is easy to find long lists of things they've implemented  while brutal reviews mentioning basic performance and reliability just keep coming.

    :(

    I think that shows us what the company is actually prioritizing.

    • Like 2
  17. 5 hours ago, Daven74 said:

    It's kind of funny that I started with Evernote to, among other functions, replace sticky notes. Now I need to keep a note pad at my computer to jot down things I want to put into Evernote when I have time since the app takes forever to start and get into the mood to allow text be sluggishly typed into a note.

    Oof. Not good. Other posters here have said V10 has improved in those respects, but perhaps not enough (or at all?) for you?

    Have you tried switching back to legacy?

    • Like 1
  18. 7 hours ago, Blork said:

    ...

    I'm shopping around for another notes app because the lag makes EN virtually unusable. ... Seeing that green spinner for four or five seconds EVERY TIME I SWITCH NOTES is just killing me. Plus I can type a full sentence sometimes and then put my hands behind my head, count to five, and THEN the sentence shows up in EN.

    This problem seems to be baked-in because of the design decision to have everything in the cloud ...

    This does not sound good either! And I think the bolded section merits a response from an Evernote staff member.

    Will Evernote ever be fast again?

  19. 19 hours ago, agsteele said:

    I really couldn't say.  For sure it isn't as simple as saying get a better spec computer although that might help. A lot of what happens in v10 is via a live connection to the servers. So your Internet connection will have some impact. So that means the full gamut of speed, VPN, firewall, cacheing at your provider etc etc. might also have an impact.

    ...

    As @CalS says, you've nothing to lose by trying v10. The installation process will disable the so-called legacy version but you can easily reinstall and switch back if that is your ultimate preference. All you lose are the new bells and whistles.

     

    19 hours ago, AlbertR said:

    V10 needs much more of all: Processor speed, main Memory, Display area and User's time at the end. 

    Given that @CalS said that V10 can't handle links and you guys are saying V10 has many more bottlenecks for speed, I think I'll wait a little longer to try V10.

  20. 3 hours ago, CalS said:

    @WeCanLearnAnything

    ... V10 is simply too slow performance wise and is click heavy on top of that... everything just takes longer, much longer...

    I have dipped my toe in the Windows V10 pool every couple of months and have seen minor at best improvements...

    ... I would not want to do that export with V10, it might take forever...

    Net of it all you can fire it up and see how it works for you. 

    To hear that it's really slow for you and hasn't really sped up much over the past year... that is not encouraging.

    As for trying out V10, is it actually that easy to do and undo? What about the risks of sync issues, or account/device limit issues, etc?

  21. 19 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

    Comment, comment, comment, history, 2014, back then, we in the trenches, …

    And I ask myself: Nicely written, but is there any substance to it ?

    No - the code base 2014 has nothing to do with the code base 2021. If there is a problem to be tackled today, it can’t be tackled the way it was done back then.

    So let us hope they get this nasty cursor movement under control, and that is it. See, it just takes 16 words to make this statement.

    Do you know this to be literally true? i.e. That there wasn't a single character from the old code base brought to the new code base? Has Evernote said this?

    It may very well be true - I don't know.

    Unfortunately, I can only think of two plausible explanations for these cursor bugs.

    1. Evernote truly does have two entirely separate code bases, but, just by astounding coincidence, they programmed infuriating cursor jumping bugs into both of them. It is just a further coincidence that the symptoms of those bugs - on two entirely separate code bases - are pretty much indistinguishable. This seems to be what you're saying, @PinkElephant.
    2. The company programmed infuriating cursor jumping bugs into the original code 7+ years ago. Years later, those bugs live on in Legacy... AND Evernote chose to copy-paste some/all of those bugs into the new code base.

    Both explanations are quite cynical, but I'm no coder. This is all I can think of as a layperson. Is there a more optimistic explanation out there?

×
×
  • Create New...