Michael Singer

24 minutes ago, MatS14 said:

So the "134"  Next to "Apply H1, H2, H3..."?

The rating buttons are everywhere - clearly visible as a triangle followed by a number, on the left side of each thread and each answer.

On 4/7/2019 at 4:54 AM, DTLow said:

I'm sure other users can come up with other reasons  🙂

For myself, format styles are more important for word processing documents.
If important for notes, I would implement a work-around, for example EverTool

That's probably also the view of the Evernote development team, and that's exactly why for some users (among whom I count myself) Evernote is a dinosaur compared to modern Note Taking Apps, where semantic markup like that of modern websites is self-evident. The hierarchical structure of content using headlines is the basis of the web, and not just a structural tool for Word documents.

Notes of Note Taking Apps are actually web pages, therefore based on HTML. To deliberately not treat them as such by avoiding headlines and rather relying on the arbitrary use of font sizes is a very idiosyncratic attitude of Evernote.

Notion goes in a more forward-looking direction: it extends the familiar features of a Note Taking App and increasingly develops capabilities of a collaborative content management system.

26 minutes ago, CalS said:

You a notion employee?

No.

17 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

Does Notion have its own discussion forums? If so, it seems to me that it's time to take some of this conversation there, e.g., why they do or don't support a particular browser.

No, at least I don't know of any official forum. As far as I can see, at the moment there is only communication via Twitter.
https://twitter.com/NotionHQ

For information about development and what's coming up, go to the footer of their website, where you will find under "Products" the menu item "Whats new".
https://www.notion.so

Of course they will provide a web clipper for Firefox too.

I think instead of indulging in demands, and stylizing the lack of any features as an exclusion criterion, it might be a good idea to look at the already very numerous and extraordinary features that Notion offers. It took me some time to understand the wide range of applications that Notion has to offer.

Also, I think it should be taken into account that Notion Labs Inc, born in 2016, is still a young company. Evernote is a dinosaur in comparison -  bound to an old (if not outdated) concept and accordingly cumbersome in terms of making necessary changes (that is probably the reason why this thread exists at all).

1 hour ago, DTLow said:

I tested the Notion import process for this.

PDFs are imported.

It looks like other attachments are discarded; Images, Documents, Spreadsheets, ...

Sorry, but that's simply not true. I have been able to import all files including images, PDF's, spreadsheets etc. with  Notion's latest import functionality without problems.

You just have to start Notion, click on "Import" at the bottom of the sidebar, select Evernote, grant permission for Evernote to accept connection with Notion and select the notebooks or stacks of notebooks you want to import.

43 minutes ago, pirate727 said:

I've decided to take the plunge and see, if indeed, Notion is viable.  I played with it before, but this time, I'm going to dive in, and actively try to use it as a tool in my Daily business.  I'll report back and let you know what I find.  For the purposes of this test, I'm not going to do an Evernote import (I have thousands and thousands of notes).  Instead, at some point, I will import just one of my notebooks (which looks like how you're supposed to do it anyway).  This has alerted me to the fact that I need to go in and clean out/sort my "Inbox Notes" into notebooks and get rid of the junk notes I no longer need. (Like I'm ever going to find time to do that! LOL).  

Wish me luck.  Watch on Sunday for a "First 3 Days Recap."  At that point, I'll decide whether to keep using it or not.  I've downloaded the Apps, so now I'm going to go quickly(?) set things up.

 

I think it's important to know that Notion works like a content management system (CMS), it works with blocks and pages. Blocks are content elements of all kinds. Pages contain blocks, each page can contain any number of subpages.

As regards my own daily business - personally I love the calendar block, or the fact that each table block is actually a database (with some calculation functions), that even can be set in relation to other tables... Or the possiblity to embed all kinds of stuff - CodePen, Google Maps, Spotify... Or the code block, that comes with tons of formats...

33 minutes ago, tomcal said:

I imported over 19,000 notes from Evernote into Notion a few days ago.  I was amazed how quickly it worked and I received a $5 credit from Notion for using the new Evernote importer.  However, I'm finding out now that many, many notes did not import.  And it appears to be random, not based on any particular type of Evernote note.  I may try re-importing one notebook at a time.  My largest single notebook in Evernote has 8796 notes and many of those didn't import into Notion.  I want Notion to have a full backup of all of my Evernote notes but if some are missing, it kills that idea.  I'm going to do further research.

Since so many notes including files have to be uploaded in the background, this process can't go fast. Could it be that you haven't waited long enough?

For those who do not already know why Notion is not for them, here's an article that explains pretty well how Notion actually works. It's from July 2018, and Notion has evolved in the meantime, but I think it conveys very well the basic principle of Notion.

https://madewithlove.be/dont-notion-shine-when-shes-gone/

33 minutes ago, chronistin said:

Just tested it, it's working great!

Yes, I couldn't believe it at first that all my Evernote notebook stacks could be imported so easily. Notion is a powerful tool with amazing capabilities (calendar, databases...)

5 minutes ago, DTLow said:

It's always been a few mouse clicks to export our data from Evernote.

I'm talking about importing Evernote data into Notion (including all files, images etc.)

Referring to the title of this threat I just want to note that switching from Evernote to Notion is now just a matter of a few mouse clicks:

https://www.notion.so/evernote

1 hour ago, CalS said:

Never had that on an application decision matrix...  

You can still take that into consideration. 😄

On 2/15/2019 at 10:46 PM, DTLow said:

Have you been sleeping?

Did you suddenly wake up and realize the Evernote editor/format doesn't work for you?
I've been using Evernote for going on 10 years, and I know exactly what features are supported.

I was very much awake the whole time, patiently waiting for improvement that did not happen.

Currently Notion's Web Clipper is only available für Chrome, but it will be also available for Firefox, Safari in the future... At the moment Evernote's web clipper is certainly more powerful, but I have no doubt that the guys at Notion are going to strongly improve that tool very soon. One has to consider that Notion's Web Clipper has been released only in january 2019.

Notion is enormously versatile and powerful. For me it is now the tool of choice. Evernote content (notebooks, stacks and even a whole workspace) can now be imported with a few mouse clicks.

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While this does not mean this is a feature that will be coming, we certainly want to relay user feedback/sentiment to our various teams...

Evernote, will you ever wake up from your Sleeping Beauty sleep? This feature that you're currently not even sure will ever be implemented in Evernote at all, is one of the most basic methods for semantic structuring of text.

What if someone even came up with a suggestion to implement a calendar in Evernote? How many years will it take to even consider discussing it?

As for me, I'm tired of waiting. I'm slowly moving my data from Evernote to Notion which I find way more sexy and innovative and which of course provides header and subheader functionality for text, as well as unique database features and calendars (yes, multiple).

Even though I run the risk of being off topic, I would like to mention Notion as a very powerful alternative.

1 hour ago, CalS said:

Don't give up.  I designed my tags with the intent of having search results in the 25 or so note range based upon a combination of tags and text.  So with almost 40k notes and 400 or so tags I find most things very quickly.  I really don't care where the note is stored per se (4 notebooks of merit).  Not everyone's cup of tea though, and use case can have some impact.

Nevertheless, one should not forget that Evernote just offers stacks as a grouping of notebooks. Stacks represent the simplest hierarchy possible, and Evernote offers this feature because it's simple and efficient. The problem, however, is that this simple hierarchy is no longer sufficient for a larger number of notebooks. So it's just a question of the sheer number of notebooks within a stack until the need for more order units (levels) arises.

I've been using stacks to organize notebooks all the time so far. The process has proven to be very efficient for me. What started to be missing after a while was simply an extension of this system - by more levels. Stacks are nothing more than directories, and if stacks were stackable, I'd be happy and wouldn't care further about the name "stack" or "folder".

This is not a question of principle, whether one prefers to work with keywords or with directory-like structures, but simply reflects the need for an extension of the existing system of stacks for notebooks.

10 minutes ago, CalS said:

All kidding aside, nesting works well with organizing tags, but doesn't add much in the way of additional benefits for finding notes, unless you want to see all notes of a parent and its children.  The ability to "put notes in multiple places" is sweet, for the taggers amongst us.

True, as I try to get used to the nested keyword system, I notice that multiple keywording can not only get quite complex, but also the search for content is not as satisfying as expected.
After all, it's all about finding notes and related notes as quickly as possible.

On 10/22/2018 at 10:34 PM, DTLow said:

Tags are implemented with unlimited hierarchy potential

Wow, I haven't noticed yet that tags can be nested.

So there actually is a hierarchical method for sorting notes and notebooks. Thanks for this hint! For me this means a little rethinking and changing habits, but maybe it's even smarter to nest keywords than folders. A note can have many keywords, but only exist in one folder, which means that I can use keywords to map as many - even very contrasting - aspects of a note as I want, while the same wouldn't be possible with folders.

I agree that multiple assignment is a strength of the tag system, but for me, hierarchy is a more logical way to structure content in most cases. By the way, folders do not exclude the use of tags, so why not using both?

Evernote has realized a minimal hierarchy by introducing stacks, but since these cannot be nested, they represent only one further structural level.

I don't think i'm the only one with a preference for hierarchical structures, since Nimbus Note and also Dropbox Paper are providing a folder system. While Nimbus Note even offers both, folders and tags.

As for Nimbus, the most important difference to Evernote is the way how they organize notes - Nimbus provides a classic folder structure, which, in my opinion, makes it much easier to organize and keep track of a very large number of notes.

Headings are very basic elements for structuring text content.
Dropbox Paper has been making use of these elements right from the beginning with simple H1 and H2.
Evernote will probably never implement it.
It's their decision. I have given up hope, you can't have everything.

Yes, i would love to see this too! Dropbox Paper has this feature, but in Evernote, this has been requested and discussed in the Evernote forum since 5 years now - with the result that we still don't have headings.
But i'm not giving up hope.