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The browser based use cases are:

1. I am researching a topic. I want to capture information from various sources into a set of notes. When i capture a web page i have just read, i want to immediately add notes to the page.

2. I have just captured a web-page, and want to immediately refile, retag, restructure plaintext, or perform similar operations.

3. I am researching around a topic, watching a youtube video, listening to podcast, reading related content in another application, and want to capture thoughts into a research note.

For all of these use cases, I need to perform either of these operations:

1. Open a new tab with the Evernote Web UI, select note list, select the edit window for the note currently displayed (last updated). Edit

2. Find open evernote web ui tab, select the edit window for the note currently displayed (last updated).

This is alot of cognitive overhead.

Feature Request:

The simplest solution as i see it, is to add a browser wide keyboard shortcut to perform the operations above.

Specifically, to open (or switch to ?) an Evernote tab, open the last updated note (which will be either the last capture, or the note i am working on) and place the keyboard focus in the edit window.

Bonus points, would be to pop up a note edit window, opened on the last updated note, that can be dismissed with escape.

Why does it now need extra permssions (on firefox) to have read and write access my local clipboard?

That is a huge security and privacy no-no.

I can think of no concevable extra features related to clipboard read and write use.

41 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Yes, your request is posted at the top of the discussion, along with a vote button for users to indicate their support

I was questioning if it was specific to the web platform; I could move it to the general request forum

Thanks. Best move both of my recent requests then.

19 hours ago, DTLow said:

No, there is no option to pin notes at the top of a notebook   

>>Can i make a table of contents on a mobile device?

The ToC is a set of note links.  This can be done on a mobile device

>>Can i make my Android client always use that view whenever i start it up, rather than the all notes view? Can i customize that view based on device based context (e.g. work tablet vs personal tablet?)

No

So, this is the frustrating part. I knew all of this already. Maybe your first comment was the one i should have responded to :(. Is this not a place to make feature requests?

3 hours ago, DTLow said:

You posted a feature request in the web forum. Did you mean a general request or discussion post?

>> >>define a default view page (preferably per client)

>>This could be a table of contents note, with links to other notes

Is a table of contents always at the top of a sort? Can i make a table of contents on a mobile device? Can i make my Android client always use that view whenever i start it up, rather than the all notes view? Can i customize that view based on device based context (e.g. work tablet vs personal tablet?)

>> >>The default would be defined as a shortcut - so it could be a note, a stack, a search etc.

>> You seem to have the solution to your request     
>> Evernote provides a shortcut feature; it could be a note, tag, notebook, search etc

Can i make my Android client always use shortcut whenever i start it up?

 

 

3 hours ago, DTLow said:

>> You posted a feature request in the web forum.  Did you mean a general request or discussion post?

Both. Not sure where else to post features. I am posting solutions more than questions, so my bad. I outline my reasoning near the end.

>>>>Default sort order of a notebook

>>The Windows platform has a feature for assigning sort order to a notebook.  

>>The other platforms just apply the last used order in the account; title or date

I'm more of a mobile user.

>> >>as a search inside the notebook

>> Evernote supports saved searches.  For easy access, a shortcut can be assigned

I know this, but it is not part of the notebook. I cannot export and import the notebook and keep the structure.

>> >>structured notebook ... e.g. Notebook is a set of pages numbered 1-100 ...notes titled 10-20 in reverse order
>> To be clear, a notebook is a collection of notes 

To be clearer, a notebook is a set of notes. in the mathematical or database sense. Search can be used to define a subset of that set inside that notebook. The notes in this set can prioritized to show above the in the note list.

>> You can specify page# in the note title, and sort in reverse title order   
Understood.

>> >>the order of notes is: [sorted 20-10],[view sort: 1-9,21-100]

>> Not sure what you're asking     
>> This is an alphabetic sequencing.  Each title needs to be the same length, 001,  002,...021, ...100

Currently you can only order the whole set of notes in a book, as outlined above with the windows use case. You can only view a reduced set with filters and searches. My idea here was to introduce subsets as searches of some kind that stay with the notebook and give default visual order to a notebook. It also has the bonus of keeping its structure outside of the Evernote environment. Tags define sets of notes across multiple notebooks, but even in a notebook are still reductive not additive.

>> >>'Pinning' notes by having special tags that relate to a normal document structure, e.g. $toc = table of contents, $glossary, $appendix, 

>> No pinning feature but you can control the sequence by specifying these as the note title

Only on windows, with the assumption that the whole notebook constitutes an ordered set, or i use a personal (not embedded or automatable) sorting prefix of some kind e.g. "[Chapter 1]" "[Dogs and Gods]". This is a bit backward when you have tags and searches. 

 

Hi,

I would like to be able to ensure that when looking at a structured notebook, that it has a mechanism to ensure the structure is immediately available. 

I can imagine this being something like:

• Default sort order of a notebook, as a search inside the notebook.

e.g. Notebook is a set of pages numbered 1-100.

default notebook search is "notes titled 10-20 in reverse order".

When i select that notebook, the order of notes is: [sorted 20-10],[view sort: 1-9,21-100]

• 'Pinning' notes by having special tags that relate to a normal document structure, e.g. $toc = table of contents, $glossary, $appendix, 

Hi,

When i use Evernote i would like to be able to

1. define a default view page (preferably per client) - The default would be defined as a shortcut - so it could be a note, a stack, a search etc.

Tim.

Well, i can see that this thread was started in 2009, and only 5 pages of response - kind of sets the stage.

I want a linux version. I have been on and off using Crossover, so now i I have a different suggestion, that i hope will generate more feedback, and offer more value rather than have a differnt OS as a target.

Evernote on Steam.

Where Evernote can capture those moments from your gaming life.

Steam is working hard to make all of its Windows OS titiles more cross platform (e.g mac and linux - via a cross platform wine like tool)

What do you think?

On 7/7/2016 at 2:27 AM, DTLow said:

It's ok that we disagree.  That makes a good discussion.

Personal attacks are another thing

I don't have much to contribute to this thread, but I appreciate what I'm learning from it.

I prefer Voltaire's attitude on disagreement: “I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.”

Reasoning through issues is always my preferred approach.

On 6/7/2016 at 6:43 PM, DTLow said:

This discussion started in 2009 and is now 20 pages
The original post was responded to by Evernote, and stated there would not be a linux client

A reasonable person would have recognized this and looked for solutions elsewhere.

I'm sorry if it came across as a personal attack, i guess that must be because i belong to the unreasonable people in this thread?

As a GURU who does not use Linux, what would you consider a minimum viable client?

6 hours ago, DTLow said:

This discussion started in 2009 and is now 20 pages
The original post was responded to by Evernote, and stated there would not be a linux client

A reasonable person would have recognized this and looked for solutions elsewhere.

I'm sorry but i find this comment a bit absurd from a GURU poster.

If it is the responsibility of a good business to listen to its customers so that it can support them better. It is the responsibility of us as customers to inform the business of our wishes so that they can have the chance to serve us better.

If Evernote think this is an unreasonable approach to customer relations, then they should probably just give up the charade of customer support and shut down the forum.

Regardless of your opinion on whether i can or cannot use my subscriber relationship with Evernote to ask them to reconsider a feature i really want, the fact of the matter is that Evernote already supports a Linux platform (Android). Like the whole web service industry, it seems they have standardised on client side HTML5 UI's for their Online and Android UI's. So it looks like a low hanging fruit to an enforced web user. As this seems to be available from many cross platform out of the box technologies like Electron, which use HTML5, and were designed for just this kind of thing, i think it is only going to become easier for them to do.

There are of course other half-way approaches (which i have already addressed in other posts), that would also serve *my* needs, but i also respect the wishes of the other posers who want Linux to be supported.

So just to reiterate, thank you for your opinion, but i for one will continue to ask Evernote to reconsider, and extend that Linux support to non Android Linux's too.

This is kind of related, I have created a feature request thread to address backups and restoration in a generic manner.  The basic idea is to use git backup, a well known distributed version control system, to enable backup and restore of notes. Search for git backup if you think this is a reasonable feature, and give some feedback.

Here is the link:

I've been waiting for this for years, but now I think i have a different approach. One which may be the best in the short term, and something which "kills two birds with one stone" as it makes linux support more of a fringe benefit to a larger customer wish, backups.

I want evernote to make my versioned notebooks available in evernote markup as git repositories. And to allow me to update my evernote information from these git repositories.

That's it.

This is what i am campaigning for now.

The rationale:

1. I have an easy backup mechanism - running git clone on a regular basis.
2. Anyone who can use git, will want (and understand) this feature, which would be amazing for Windows, OsX, and Linux.
3. We can then use any other external tool to manipulate EML, and evernote.
4. Even better, i make it easier for linux people (and other computer (ab)users to do whatever they want with regards to automation around my evernote notes.
5. Lowers the barrier for 3rd party integration and innovation on all platforms.

So I'm going to create a separate feature request thread on this topic, and I'd appreciate if Linux client wishers gave to +1 it.

So I'm playing catchup a bit here. to be honest this thread is a bit of a TLDR, as it started in 2009!. Can i suggest the moderators split this thread out into years, or archive the old posts, as the state of the art has moved on since then

First I +1 the linux client, 

Second my suggestion for Linux tools to check out:

• Everyone who wants a third party native GUI linux client pile onto Nixnote2 (https://github.com/baumgarr/Nixnote2), which is a QT port of nixnote (which was Java).
• There is also Everpad (which is also QT, but PyQT) is not as feature complete, but is more lightweight, and also getting there (https://github.com/nvbn/everpad/) is worth checking out.
• For the command line people among us linux guys, there is also geeknote (https://github.com/VitaliyRodnenko/geeknote/) which is a python command line utility to manipulate your evernote document repository export/sync and them as markdown files.

FWIW, here is my .02 eurocents worth on the toolkit discussion.

I know there is/was a commitment in  evernote development to use a 'platform native' UI technolgy. I can understand some of the reasoning is so that you can use the UI features to the 'full' extent. I honestly think this approach is interesting, from a user experience point of view, but probably a pain to maintain. Also the nature of HTML5, XUL, etc, all point to UI design toolkits and widgetsets becoming a shared commodity (apart from Apple of course, because it is a key part of their value proposition, that everything looks and acts the way they say it has to).

I dont want to get into thin/thick clients, or the shared code etc that exists in evernote. but i can say from experience that i would recommend QT and QML for a cross platform C++ based UI that can be used to develop a binary for windows, linux and mac from the same codebase. That way it does not matter what you develop on, you only need to test on the target platform. Other online sevice front ends that use QT are Skype and Sotify, to show I'm not talking too much rubbish.

QT is based on the MVC pattern. So, If nothing else, a tested, supported QT linux/windows/mac binary 32/64 bit C++ SDK/library for the Model would make life easier for those wanting to maintain a third party UI on any platform.