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Pavel Sapehin

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  1. Until the legacy clients itself would support the new data structures. Not sure how much it could cost for BS, but dedicating a separate team to update legacy could be another option. At least to keep up with the new sync API. They should still have the source code. Supporting the old API may be adopted by all legacy clients, but if it is so complex as you say, hard to say what is cheaper. Outsourcing some obsolete parts is another option which may allow to keep or even build upon legacy for less than having a dedicated high-paid team. But probably someone is already calculated costs and what we discuss here is the result. I wish it could be so easy. It depends on the company's success. Because if it fails, there is no points to invest efforts into legacy or v10. IMHO Evernote took the wrong turn somewhere around 2018. There is still a chance to make it "right". And maybe this is what many people in this thread are trying to convey?
  2. During 10 years of using different note-taking apps (evernote, notion, one note, plain.md doc, obsidian, diagramming and mind-mapping tools, paper notes, etc) I developed my own system of cross-links, so back links is too late to the party in my case. Though it's a great feature, I avoid using it because my system allows much more than just "backlinks". Nevertheless, this feature could be implemented without introducing breaking changes to the existing clients. I don't know why they did how they did it, most likely there was a good technical reasons. As for other features. Tasks - well, for me it's just a distraction because I use Azure DevOps, Jira or Notion for task tracking. Task tracking in Evernote looks like a child game for 5+. And then "home page/dashboard", which goes above "All Notes". First of all, this dashboard is not flexible enough to be called a dashboard; secondly, it's not useful enough, because this page takes from 3 to 10 seconds to open for me, and it does not contain what I need 90% of the time. That's why I would prefer not having it at all. It's so annoying. I can go on explaining why other new features are not useful in v10, but many people already explained it in other posts. Sure, it's subjective in a sense, and not everyone have an experience with other apps which do many of what "new features" do in Evernote, but much much better.
  3. Personally, I get used to buggy sync in legacy, which was crashing the app from time to time. But the app itself is responsive. You know how in the past times people were saying "you don't need a monitor with a refresh rate more that 60 Hz, your eyes just don't see it"? Well, now we have 244 Hz refresh rates in monitors, and still some people may say it's not enough. Going from the native app experience back to electron app is like going from 244 Hz monitor to 60 Hz. When you try 244 Hz, you can't withstand 60 Hz anymore. And still there are people, and even companies, who are trying to convince you that 60 is OK. Plus, UX on legacy is much better than in v10. UI on v10 may look sleek and modern, with dark mode support. But guess what - I do not care. I didn't like some aspects of the UX in legacy, but when you use it, you starting to understand why developers did what they did - it convenient. In contrast, in v10 while you are using the interface, you realize - there is no logic behind that justifies the behavior of the buttons, transitions, etc - it's bland. No pun intended to people who was designing that UX, most likely they did what they were asked for. And then electron, once again. This beast eats tons of memory, it's sluggish. Evernote Legacy on Windows only takes 260 MB of memory. Evernote Legacy on Android takes less than 100 MB of memory (roughly, I haven't measured it precisely). Tell me how much memory your brand new v10 uses? You may tell "there are tons of electron apps that we are still using - vs code for example". VS Code is great code editor - and what it does well - it has awesome UX, which works around the sluggish electron shell and gives you that feeling of nativeness. v10 does not do that. So, please, go with your 60 Hz if you want, but stop telling us that it's OK.
  4. What is the point of telling people who sticked to Legacy to stop using it? Why just not let people here to rumble about what they don't like? What is here for people who decided to move with the latest version? Anyway, if there is no future for legacy as you say, why not just open source legacy clients? People could made it compatible with the latest API in days. BS may focus on their API and it's security (as they said that security is the most critical issue for them), and people who still want to use legacy will be able to do so.
  5. That's true. Probably creating a complete read-only VM backup (e.g. a Virtual Box machine with Tiny11) and only using a copy of this VM will allow to have a fallback recovery method. At least till another method for "offline sign on" is discovered.
  6. [IDEA] Seems like there is another alternative/workaround for using the Legacy Client on both Windows and Android (though, it's not for the masses for sure). Still, haven't tried it yet, but: Setup Evernote Legacy client on Windows (and LOGIN, which is important to do BEFORE the shutdown) Install Syncthing Add evernote database folder to Syncthing Install Wine for Android Install Syncthing and Evernote Legacy for Windows in Wine and LOGIN Setup previously configured Syncthing folder on Wine to point to Evernote database folder And if all the above steps succeed, then what you may end-up is free of charge Evernote Legacy app. Seems like syncthing supports block transfers, and the sync should be relatively fast. Well, with some concerns (probably more than this): No sync with evernote servers, no web-clipper Still, there is a login issue - the clients must be logged in before they are shutdown Most likely using Evernote Legacy on Wine may be slow on Android (if working at all, has to be verified) Do not use this setup simultaneously on both devices, if you modified anything on Windows, sync with Android first, and only then modify on Android and vice versa. Else you may end up with syncthing file conflict
  7. It's half-true. One of the most advantages of evernote native clients back then was an offline full-text search. What they offer now, is completely different story. And how they deprecated the legacy client - it's another question. It's disrespectful to some users. This is dualism. When much more options available, limiting existing options with no reasons.
  8. I wasn't criticizing anyone in particular, I criticized a specific decision which is the title of this topic "Evernote legacy ending on 2024-03-23". You are trying to protect this decision or at least tell that there is no way around. Well, there are always ways around. Windows XP could be supported by a third party if Microsoft would have open source Windows XP code under a valid open-source license (which is unlikely). The same applies here. I could even write this server myself if I was having enough resources and time. Though, I wont do it because the app is protected by copyright laws. Util the app is made offline or the server is released as a standalone service - it won't affect anyone. Also, the evernote team could even create a docker container which everyone could self-host. In such a case it won't affect anyone as well. Everything is possible.
  9. Everyone is forced to use v10. Procrastination is not what happened here - most of the people stuck to v6 for completely different reasons, already mentioned above. Let's be clear - legacy clients were marketed as the most advanced note-taking apps back in 2018(?). Many of us were paying for a subscription. The monthly cost of the subscription was around 70$, which is more than the cost of the most one-time-paid apps (examples: WinCatalog, Acronis Backup, etc with a price around 50$). Pay once use the version you paid forever. Personally, I don't care about syncing as much as subscription-based services explain their costs by saying "we should pay our cloud bills". We were being told that with Evernote we could keep our notes forever. But see what is happening now - we invested in the app, and we can't use for what we paid? Security? Bulls**t. I could run evernote in a VM without access to internet. The new app is too slow and unresponsive for me. And I want to have access to notes created in the legacy app without migration to any other app. Someone decided that he can make more money on the new version. It's "your" choice, but let me keep for what I paid. The legacy evernote app is just a piece of a software which can be easily made "offline-only" if you don't want to support it anymore. But blocking users from using it even when they understand the risks - it's fishy, isn't it? I only wish someone will create an open-source alternative for syncing notes between legacy apps at some point.
  10. Thank you, I'm aware of that. This is a nice trick, but it requires manual efforts per each block on a web-page. Also, as a full-stack web-developer and chrome extension developer I know that it's possible to "transform" the page content (similarly to what "Simplified Article" mode does in the web-clipper).
  11. Hi, Many web-pages that contain code-blocks hosted by github (e.g. this medium article) are clipped as tables in evernote. For example, this is the original code block: And here is how it looks after clipping: Please, wouldn't it be better to clip them as the actual code-blocks?
  12. On the latest Evernote for android on Galaxy Note 9, I should wait from 2 to 5 minutes to add a single tag to a note. Probably, because I have a lot of tags, but tags work fine on the Evernote 8.13 for android (without any delays). Tags are the core feature of Evernote, there are no ways I can use the new version of the app with such performance. Surely, the new app adds new features and unifies all platforms, but at which costs? It's barely usable, and it's been in development for more than two years. The evernote team, please, do something with that. I'm using the app from 2012, and, even as a long-term customer, instead of praising the app, I see more and more reasons to abandon it.
  13. Many app owners preserve a legacy version of their application as a separate app in the android store (for example, Feedly). It's unclear to me why Evernote didn't do that. I still can't use the updated version (10) of the app due to very long startup times. It makes it's unusable for taking quick notes. I have more than 20000 notes in my account and the newest version starts longer than in 5 seconds on a Galaxy Note 9. I often may forget what I wanted to write when it starts. So I've installed version 8.13.3 from apkmirror. Likely, it's still working and it's much more responsive.
  14. Though Evernote doesn't support a "true" boolean search, I agree that you can find almost any note. From my experience, a "true" boolean search may be required for some advanced GTD/planning/dynamic setups and queries. BUT if you need such a complex setup, then Evernote is not your best choice. Try notion databases. They are free and can do very complex filtering, as well as showing different search results in predefined views. I gave up using Evernote as a planning tool. I use it as cross-platform cloud storage and journaling/note-taking platform with awesome search capabilities. But no more than that.
  15. Also, there is the VS Code roadmap. It's not as clear as the Nimbus's one, but it's additionally using Github's issues. And the VS Code also uses the same tech as the new Evernote app - electron engine. Please, learn from them. No offence to the Evernote team, but hey, the app costs 70$ per year, and we are sitting with version 6.25 for almost a year on Windows. If it would cost 10$ per year, or if it were only a one-time payment of 25$, then I would say, "well, at least it's cheap". But it is not. We deserve at least a clear roadmap. With that said, I won't renew my premium subscription until something changes.
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