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inconsequentia last won the day on April 23 2015

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  1. As the thread starter and someone who’s been very vocal about the inconveniences caused by this feature, I want to take the time to acknowledge that Evernote 6.0.7 for Mac solves my problem. The toolbar can now be customized, meaning I can remove the Work Chat button and never see it again. Thanks for listening, Evernote.
  2. And you know this because you are the supreme arbiter of human emotions or because anyone who feels differently than you or outside of the bounds that you define as reasonable is wrong? Point is, you're stating as fact something that you cannot possibly know.
  3. Can you be more specific regarding how you want to disable it? Are you on the Mac and would like to turn it off in the toolbar? If so I think you'll be very happy soon... Thank you for your reply, I appreciate it. I can’t speak for everyone who wants to be able to disable it, but for me it would be enough to just be able to remove it from the toolbar. That would, indeed, make me very happy.
  4. Dear mcheng, I hope you will forgive me for pointing out that while your engagement with the community is laudable, you are very selective in what you acknowledge of this thread. What is Evernote's response to the sizeable group of people objecting to the fact that we cannot be given the option to disable Work Chat, even if we are willing to pay for said option? Regards
  5. From my perspective, Evernote does NOT have a "ton of preferences". It has the least number of preferences and configurable UI (like toolbars) of any Mac app that I have used. Fair enough. But it's still far from minimalist in its UI. Thing is, even Apple's toolbars are configurable, and Apple is the modern champion of that kind of "if it needs a preference you just make the choice" kind of thinking.
  6. That doesn't make sense to me. The toolbar used to be fully customizable. I think this stems from the philosophy of Evernote CEO Phil Libin, who has stated on more than one occasion that the user shouldn't be provided with options: From http://www.theguardian.com/technology/appsblog/2012/jul/24/evernote-ux-privacy-developers-interview I think him saying that is disingenious. I mean, yes, he's right, and it sounds noble and quotable and makes him look good on the surface but with a closer look it’s just smoke and mirrors because 1) Evernote has a ton of preferences, and 2) when the choice you make for the user is driven by business motivations and not user satisfaction, that's when that kind of thinking becomes poisonous. Like I’ve said many times before, if it’s a business thing, I will gladly fork over $10 a month just for the privilege of turning off that miserable Work Chat button. I can't be the only one.
  7. How charitable. Must be. A broken implementation of a feature that has loyal users decamping to OneNote can’t be that bad at all. I'm pretty sure they aren't a charity. How many users decamping to OneNote? I was referring to how gracious they are by allowing me to discuss something. About 136.
  8. How charitable. Must be. A broken implementation of a feature that has loyal users decamping to OneNote can’t be that bad at all.
  9. My question is simple, but one that I’m doubtful Evernote will acknowledge. Why can’t we just disable it if we don’t need or like it? Why can’t we just customize the toolbar like in any other serious Mac app? Here’s the relevant section of the OS X Human Interface Guidelines: Emphasis mine. Why is this so hard for you to do? What is the hidden reason behind disabling this common UI behaviour that is so important that you don’t mind alienating your staunchest and most loyal supporters?
  10. Simply not true - there is a whole thread pinned to the top of this forum about Work Chat that includes a number of contributions from Evernote on this subject - https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/72556-introducing-work-chat/ Whether you like what they are doing or not, you can't accuse them of not being engaged. Fair enough, I’ll admit I haven’t noticed that. However you'll notice that in their interactions, the idea of letting users disable Work Chat is off limits. It’s not even mentioned.
  11. This thread was started 96 days ago. That Evernote has paid absolutely zero attention to this issue since is, I think, all you need to know about where there priorities lie, and it's not with their users. Would explain why they go out of their way to be so opaque and unreachable.
  12. [ Emphasis mine. ] People can't articulate it — so what? I don't think it's required that we be able to articulate it. As you mention yourself, a lot of people want it disabled. That should be enough. A lot of 'articulations' of preferences are mostly things our logical brain makes up anyway, we don't really ever fully know why we like certain things and not others. This does not invalidate the preferences in question. Why do you love one person and not another? You can try 'articulating' it but you won't get to the heart of the matter. Additionally, lots of people have articulated why, in this very thread. It is invasive (cosmetically and psychologically)It is too close to other functionsThe inability to customize a toolbar is non-native behaviour, at least on a MacIt feels like Evernote is shoving this feature down our throats when it is neither needed nor wanted
  13. I find it remarkable that Evernote pays zero attention to feedback… Is there even a mechanism by which they pretend to solicit user feedback? As for myself, pretty much the second the Mac and iOS versions of OneNote get audio recordings I am out.
  14. That’s a shame. I am certain that this 'Work Chat' is a great tool but there are two fundamental problems with it: 1. It's fairly aggressive to shove major features in people’s faces like that, especially when 2. Some of us use Evernote to do intimate, personal creative work. The Evernote window is a safe space and even the suggestion of outside interference is enough to threaten the perceived safety of the workspace that we inhabit for so many hours a day. Here's hoping that an update rectifies this by giving us the ability to opt out. I'm sure this sounds batshit crazy to some of you but it would be enough to quit Evernote, and I've been a user since Evernote was in beta in 2008.
  15. How do I get rid of the new 'Work Chat' button in the Mac Client's toolbar? I don't want it and I don't want to have to see it. There should be a way to disable the feature and any of its mentions wholesale. If it takes a Premium subscription to be able to get rid of Work Chat, I will pay for Premium just to have that. I know I can just 'not use it' – but that's not enough.
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