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Shellah

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  1. On 2/3/2019 at 4:32 PM, bpang33 said:

    Someone in this thread mentioned Nimbus Note, which does exactly what we're all asking for here. I gave it a try last weekend, and have not looked back since. 

     

     

    I too took a peek at Nimbus when it was first mentioned here.  Your recent comment, @bpang33 prompted me to look again.  I checked out some YouTube vids on it, explored the website, https://nimbusweb.me, downloaded the application and installed the browser extension.  Infinite nested folders from what I can see..  I'm sold.  I'm relieved.  I'm leaving this Evernote thread now.  No need to turn blue holding my breath, waiting for Evernote to respond to this request.  Thanks, @bpang33.  : )

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  2. 3 hours ago, TonyMontanaSlot said:

    Every note can be tagged with many tags but only can belong to one notebook, so it's a more solid structure already. Of course, you might say that it's my problem that I won't stick to just 1 tag per note. But it's kinda limiting. Maybe I want to tag a note with "Summer", "Love" and "Sad" tags but at the same time I want it to be exactly in this Hobbies -> Art -> Music -> Songwriting -> My solo stuff -> Second album hierarchy. Of course, you can always find a thousand of counter-arguments to that, like "you can do basically the same with tags, blah blah blah", but no, it's not the same, even if you can achieve similar results with tags.

    I'd say just give it a shot and give your users a little bit more freedom.

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    EDIT: Yeah, maybe convert those stacks to notebooks so that even the root object would be able to hold the notes in it. As well as notebooks. Basically what I'm suggesting is a folder-file approach, just like in Windows Explorer. We all know that notebooks in real life don't hold "sub-notebooks" in them but maybe make a poll and see if users would like this approach and you could get away with this concept. I'm not gonna suggest renaming notebooks to folders and files altogether as that will obviously make the brand name "Evernote" irrelevant :D

    TonyMontanaSlot, I am agreeing loudly.  I follow this thread only because a while back (a year or more) an Evernote employee said something to the effect that the nested notebooks feature was being considered and was perhaps even coming.  In spite of repeated attempt, I find I cannot use Evernote efficiently and effectively without it.  (And I am specifically requesting DTLow not to respond to this message.)

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  3. 4 hours ago, Flier said:

    Having watched this thread for literally years, there is always the same scenario:

    Someone (like me) comes in asking for nested folders, a paradigm that has been common in computing for decades.  Basically a no-brainer.

    Responses are of two types:  (1) Explanations of why the user shouldn't want nested folders or doesn't need them.  (2) Elaborate and somewhat opaque workarounds where the tagging system can be bent to serve the need.

    Maybe 6 months ago there was a post by an Evernote guy that implied that nested folders were in the works for at least the premium business version of EN.  So I continue to monitor the thread.  Someday I would like to use EN as a mainstream app and not as a sideshow where getting real work done is significantly impeded by a bad design decision.

    EXACTLY.  EXACTLY.  EXACTLY.  I too monitor this thread only because (after 10+ years of this request going unanswered by EN) there was that post (6 months ago?) there was that post by an Evernote guy that implied that nested folders were in the works for at least the premium business version of EN. A glimmer of hope.  Otherwise, you get only #1 and #2.  Skip reading anything by DTLow as it is always and without fail #1.  Thx.

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  4. On 5/26/2018 at 7:12 PM, AlextheUnicat said:

    >the only thing keeping from using Evernote...would prefer to use Evernote....hours and hours of experimenting...have tried tag hierarchy...the genius behind applications like Workflowy and Todoist...frankly the posts that are like "I can't see why you could possibly need this" frustrate me.....pros and cons, but that all would change if Evernote had notebook hierarchy...

     

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    AlextheUnicat, you've articulated precisely what I'm saying.  Nailed it.  Thx!  

  5. 4 minutes ago, Flier said:

    Yeah.  Agreed.  I don't know which is more impressive, his arrogance or the amount of free time he has available to spend on posting the same comments, over and over.  and over.  and over.

    Re "I am not interested in boohoo posts."  Is that also a requirement , that your highness be interested in every post?  Or that someone cares whether you are interested or not?  ROFL.

    :)

  6. 28 minutes ago, Flier said:

    Maybe I missed reading the rule book.  Are others required to prove to you that their viewpoints are valid?  FWIW I am not seeing any proof here that your endlessly repeated tag workarounds to the folder problem are anything but that:  workarounds.  And clumsy ones at that.

    I have not found any of the replies from DTLow in this thread to be helpful.  He seems to be strictly on a mission to talk hierarchical thinkers out of being the way they are.  This thread is home for we who have been begging EV for nested, organiz-able folders for years.  It is not helpful to be told (over again) why they aren't necessary, aren't a good idea and why the workarounds work just fine when we of the nesting tribe know they don't fill the void.

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  7. On 3/2/2018 at 4:41 PM, Leo Gong said:

    You should definitely ask but I dare not give you an answer... :lol: Beyond we're working on it. It's going to take a while though. First step is looking into Spaces for personal...

    Thanks for the input re: more notebook hierarchy. They're noted, we'll definitely have to reconsider the limit on notebooks for instance. For business users, with Spaces we've tried to increase / remove limits. E.g. There used to be a 500 joined NB limit - NBs you have access to via a Space are excluded from this limit for instance. We'll look into other limits as we roll out more parts of the roadmap.

    The other vital feature for hierarchical thinkers, along with the need for many (many) levels of nested folders is the ability to reorder the sequence of folders and notes, preferably with drag and drop.  Right now Evernote forces sorting alphabetically or by date created or by date modified, etc.  Without that, the user has to craft and constantly modify some naming scheme like 1a-First Note, 1b-Second Note, 1c-Last Note, 2a-Do Later Note, 2b-A Reference Note to order things in the way he/she is thinking of the sequence.

  8. 1 hour ago, JMichaelTX said:

    As I have said many times, we need both folders and tags, or for Evernote, we need both Notebooks and Tags.  Each serve a vital purpose that cannot be 100% fulfilled by the other.

    The other vital feature for hierarchical thinkers, along with the need for many (many) levels of nested folders is the ability to reorder the sequence of folders and notes, preferably with drag and drop.  Right now Evernote forces sorting alphabetically or by date created or by date modified, etc.  Without that, the user has to craft and constantly modify some naming scheme like 1a-First Note, 1b-Second Note, 1c-Last Note, 2a-Do Later Note, 2b-A Reference Note to order things in the way he/she is thinking of the sequence.

  9. 1 hour ago, Flier said:

    "There is a need for notebook hierarchy. :) We're working on it."       Hallelujah!

    Thank you, Leo.  I knew there was a reason I remained to subscribed to this apparently-fruitless thread all these years.

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    I'll just answer in the thread:  There is no need to reinvent the wheel here.  Nested folders have been around forever and all you have to do is to implement in EN the nested folder paradigm that you have been using your entire computing life. 

     

     

    HALLELUJAH!!! IN ALL CAPS!

    Just make it work like a basic Windows folder tree (directory) with infinite nesting levels.  Nothing fancy.  That's been around forever and that's how hierarchical brains are wired.  

     

     

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  10. 5 minutes ago, tavor said:

    The problem with your world wide web analogy is that we've already had a market experiment as it relates to hierarchy vs search on the web. Back in Yahoo's prime, it used hierarchies to categorize information on the internet. Then Google came along with a great search product and obliterated Yahoo. 

    Well, that is the issue in a nutshell.  Evernote has a search tool and no organizing tool.  I can't use Evernote until I can organize it with nested notebooks and folders several levels deep.  Thank you.

     

  11. 6 minutes ago, DTLow said:

    Can you provide more details?

    Since multi-level nested folders and nested notebooks has been requested by hundreds of users over several years, I don't think there's much more I can add.  If you are a person who thinks in hierarchies, then you, like me, literally experience a vertigo when looking at all your notes and notebooks in the Evernote product.   Evernote is basically your very own mini-World Wide Web. You ask for (search, filter) for what you want and call it up.  But you have to already know what you want.  It is useless for organizing or project management as it is.  There is no structure to organize it.  It is only for storage and retrieval. Imagine you were intent on logically, methodically carrying out projects using *all* the information on the entire web.  You would go bonkers without organizing the whole web into tiered folders like a folder tree on a Windows PC folder directory.  That is the point of organizing Evernote with such a structure.

  12. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.

    This is the sole reason I have not adopted Evernote, even though I have attempted to use it multiple times over recent years.

    I have wasted hours trying to use it the way Evernote wants me to, trying to design tags, trying to label folders in such a way as to tier them.  I have spent hours researching other people's hacks to make Evernote do something like this; and trying to find plug-ins or shells that might do it.  I have tried (and failed) to use Evernote in conjunction with MS OneNote and with several task managers like Asana, ToDoist, etc.  I have tried tools that port from Evernote to another app including TaskClone and IFTTT.  Nothing has worked for me.  

    Evernote needs infinitely nested notebooks and infinitely nested folders.  No two ways about it.

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