tavor

4 minutes ago, agsteele said:

I'm not willing to speculate.  I cannot replicate the issue.  Have you tried yourself?  That would be the way to go for your own data.

I appreciate you trying to replicate. Anyway, now that this thread is up, if others run into this issue, maybe they'll find this thread and post.

I transferred thousands of notes without issue, but I never left v6/Legacy, so I cannot speak to v10.

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If Joplin isn't playing well then perhaps ask Joplin support why not.

It's not Joplin - as quoted above, one of the people experiencing this issue can see the problem in the enex itself. If the enex doesn't show a title, no app that can import enex is going to pick up a title.

Interesting that some seem to have this problem (and even then, not for all their notes), but others do not. But it does seem limited to v10. Haven't seen any missing note title issues with Legacy enex exports.

Rather than post one of the Joplin forum threads here, I'll post a couple of comments. Maybe someone on v10 can confirm or refute.

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Well of course the thing to do, which I should have done before, was to examine the ENEX file in a text editor and sure enough the problem is in Evernote's export to ENEX facility. All my ENEX exports have the note titles set to Untitled Note. 

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Further investigation of my Evernote 10 installation showed that even though all my notes are correctly listed in in Evernote the right order (ie by title) in each of my notebooks and if an individual note is then selected it also has what appears to be the correct title at the top of the note pane if you instead right click on a note's snippet in the central Note List pane and select Note Info from the right click menu the majority of my notes apparently don't really have a title "under the bonnet".

This seems to be affecting some notes, not all notes, as in, upon import of enex, some notes have titles, and some do not.

I have seen some posts on Joplin forum from multiple Evernote users who were using v10 and their enex files were missing some note titles, which would obviously create an issue if trying to import enex into any other note app. This doesn't seem to be an issue with EN Legacy, but it seems v10 generates a slightly different enex file than Legacy. Anyone else notice this?

Also, is it still possible for v10 users to revert to Legacy (I recall it was possible early on in the life of v10)?

56 minutes ago, tavor said:

Does anyone know if the process @gazumped outlined above has changed? I'm installing Legacy on a new PC and want to migrate my EN db there.

Several years later, and it still works. 

31 minutes ago, agsteele said:

Unless you have local notebooks there is no need to copy. Just install the software, login, and the data will be re-created.

Copying the data file isn't good practice and can lead to list our corrupted data although it used to work for some users.

 

I have local notebooks.

On 8/18/2017 at 12:11 PM, gazumped said:

I did this with a new laptop.  There's actually no conflict in practice,  and it was pretty pain-free.  The steps were:

• Sync your main device and File > Exit Evernote.
• Copy the whole Databases folder onto USB
• download and install Evernote on the 'new' machine - at this stage it's a basic install with no 'personality' at all.  It does have a Databases folder though... 
• Exit the new app without logging in
• Rename the installed database folder
• Copy the original folder from USB to this location
• restart the app and log in as usual.

Takes about 10 minutes. (Depending a little on the size of your file to be copied across....)

Good luck! 

Does anyone know if the process @gazumped outlined above has changed? I'm installing Legacy on a new PC and want to migrate my EN db there.

19 minutes ago, DTLow said:

HTML Export Option - still a work-in-progress
Import Folders - still a work-in-progress

Still no import folders? Ugh. So I guess I can forget about the two features I asked about (which were more hope than any real possibility). 

What has been ported over in the last few months? When I was last here, it seemed like EN wanted to try to bring over many of the features that were dropped in the move to v10.

Received an email from EN suggesting I update the app (I'm on Legacy). Usually I ignore such emails, but I noticed this bit "enjoy reintroduced features from our legacy apps".

Forgive me, but I'm a bit out of date as I haven't been on the forum in a few months, but what features have they recently ported over to v10?

I assume local notebooks and local file links are not among the recently ported features?

1 hour ago, ehrt74 said:

"my sacred cow". Do you actually know what an API is? To the best of my knowledge Evernote has never deprecated an API. Never. How could your observations from using EN possible tell you that this is imminent? And moreover why are you so gleeful about the possibility of it happening?

Yes, my use of APIs is mostly in Google Sheets (via GAS). And you'll be shocked to know that sometimes the API's change, breaking the scripts that use them. Nothing is forever, not even green elephants and their APIs.

"Glee" is the wrong term. We have differing views on the sanctity of EN's existing architecture. I merely look forward to having my view vindicated. 

Anyway, as I jumped back in to discuss the potential relationship between v6 and when we might see nested notebooks in v10, having done that, I'll jump back out. See you in April, unless something really interesting happens before then.

7 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

Why are you actually here? Why do you 'look forward to my sacred cow API being butchered"? 

Since switching to another note app as my daily driver, I've been spending less time here. Popped in yesterday because it occurred to me that v6 might be a holdup to nested notebooks and wanted to have that discussion. That said, I still have *thousands* of notes in Evernote, so of course I want to be here. Plus, it's entertaining watching the slow motion wreck that is v10 - hard to look away actually! We are witnessing in real time what could be a business school case study. Fascinating stuff, IMHO.

And of course we cannot rule out the possibility that EN management successfully navigates this rocky period and emerges with a world class note app. So that's another reason to stick around. At the end of the day, I want to use the best note app for my needs, and given that this has been Evernote for many years, it would be foolish to dismiss EN as a permanently lost cause.

As for your sacred cow API, I really couldn't have cared less until you expressed such supreme confidence that EN would never ever do anything that would adversely affect the existing API. My observations from using EN and being on this forum for years tells me that you are wrong. But we shall see! 

41 minutes ago, Paul A. said:

 

I'm surprised at how certain you seem to be. I don't see why Evernote couldn't choose to break compatibility with legacy one day. They may choose not to, but it's not as if they are opposed to breaking user workflows and making big changes (witness v10 desktop rolling out in all its bug-filled and feature-removed glory, without even officially offering legacy at first! Not to mention the v10 mobile clients where Evernote has chosen not to offer an easy/official way to roll back to the legacy apps.

Additionally, a few years ago an Evernote developer/PM commented that they wanted to do nested notebooks but there were some deep architectural limitations that prevented them from doing so. As part of the lead-up to V10, the EN back-end underwent some deep architectural changes to allow them to do things that were not previously possible, and I'd be shocked if that doesn't include nested notebooks.

I don't personally have a need for them, but many people want them, and it's a continuing source of surprise and friction to new users who are used to that way of thinking (nesting documents deep into trees of folders in Dropbox and Google Drive, for example). Tags are great, but a smart product owner doesn't try to fight their customers' preferences unnecessarily. If tag usage is truly as low as Ian Small has indicated in recent interviews, then adding notebook nesting strikes me as smart.

Before I started using tags, I too was irritated that Evernote didn't support notebook nesting. I've long-since moved on to tags, but clearly not everyone has done the same.

 

Indeed. It's as if he's only been here for a few months. EN has a long history of breaking workflows. What EN has shown repeatedly is if they believe they need to change something to stay relevant/competitive, they will do it no matter how much it disrupts things for their userbase. @ehrt74 I look forward to your sacred cow API being butchered. 

Exactly - and none of the naysayers has addressed the point that the CEO himself is essentially saying that tags are a niche feature for power users. And everyone who has been here for more than a couple of months should know how much priority EN places on niche features used by power users. I'd bet a lot of money that Small doesn't view nested notebooks as similarly niche.

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

All functions, all searches are build around this. When you create nesting, you need to build an independent „superstructure“ of notebooks. Which means you need to rewrite probably the whole code base, clients and backend (server software).

Do you think EN rewrote the entire codebase for v10 and NOT build in a pathway to add nested notebooks? 

If Libin was still the CEO, I would find that plausible. With Small, a CEO who claims that only a tiny minority of the userbase uses tags, I find it impossible to believe.

The writing is on the wall. Evernote will get nested notebooks.

4 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Since there are no backlinks (hello Roam)

Also Joplin, where you can have automatically displayed in every note the backlinks to other notes. Plus it's very easy to create links to other notes without switching notes and without your hands ever leaving the keyboard. And it has outline view as well.

Evernote, by not having backlinks, very easy note linking or outline view, is miles behind the competition in this regard.

6 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

Because we know that the people who sold bags, socks and mugs were actually top programmers who should have been adding features ...

I really shouldn't have to explain this. Resources are finite, are they not? If a company pours some of its finite resources (funds, CEO mindshare, etc.) into merchandising, that necessarily reduces resources available for other pursuits.

6 hours ago, Mike P said:

What is your source of this data? A relatively small number of vocal users of these forums does not constitute "the vast majority of users". I agree with @ehrt74 they'd just complicate things and if you want a hierachical structure  tags do a really good job.

LOL, you are living in fantasy land. There's a reason many note apps have nested notebooks. And even among EN users, this is a highly requested feature for as long as Evernote has been around.

Telling me about tags is preaching to the (very tiny) choir. I have no desire for nested notebooks, and use very few notebooks, and do not use notebooks to categorize by subject matter, but I also recognize that I am in a tiny minority of users.

No less an authority than the current CEO has said that only 2% or 5% (I think he's used both figures in different comments post v10 release) of users are using tags. He wasn't referring to nested tags, but tagging in general. I think it's safe to assume that nested tag use is going to be a small fraction of general tag use. 

2 hours ago, Brian Handscomb said:

Nested notebooks IMHO don't "make sense" (a book inside a book) and very quickly raises complications, but I could imagine the scenario where you might have a group of books that you could "collapse" like a folder in a file system navigator and you could maybe put groups into groups if you really wanted, and from a tech point of view you'd add a piece of metadata to the notebook called "parent" which old clients could ignore, then make a new class of object for the groups. Providing clients ignore unknown metadata fields (or maybe the API has a way of telling whether or not to include that bit of data) it should be possible to implement without breaking old clients.

By having groups ONLY containing groups and notebooks you avoid breaking and complicated issues like notebooks and notes at the same level inside the same container...

By golly, you better tell Microsoft and Apple they're doing it all wrong with their folders inside folders and allowing folders to contain both files and folders. The horror! 

6 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

Nested notebooks ain't going to happen. it would break existing clients (of which there are hundreds). Nor would I want nested notebooks -- they'd just complicate things.

 

Ah, now we're getting to the crux of the matter, and the entire point of my earlier post. We have a highly requested feature that much of the competition implements, we have a new app in need of a big 'win', we have a new CEO who clearly isn't wedded to tags (in contrast to Phil Libin), and 10(?) updates into v10, we still don't have nested notebooks. Why not? Probably because it would break old clients.

There are few things I'm more certain of regarding Evernote's future than that the green elephant will get nested notebooks. It's just a matter of moving users off the old clients. Right now they are constrained because v10 is such a disaster, but once most of the significant bugs have been removed and the feature set has been enhanced to put it near the same level as Legacy, EN is going to force the hand of the Legacy stragglers.

Given how much of the competition has nested notebooks, including apps built on Electron as v10 is, it seems to me this feature is quite feasible to add.

And given the desire of the vast majority of EN users for this feature, providing it early on in v10 would have been a great win for a version that has been mired in controversy.

That it hasn't been added in the initial release or the many subsequent updates makes me wonder if the holdup is v6/Legacy. Might it be that they need to stop syncing v6/Legacy before they can change the architecture to support nested notebooks? 

5 minutes ago, gazumped said:

I used Brave for a while,  but never had a problem with clipping - can you disable the various pop-up and cookie blockers and/ or whitelist Evernote anywhere? 

I just whitelisted the Clipper for all sites, and now it works. I'm also able to access Options.

Strange because I previously whitelisted the site I was trying to clip from, but that didn't work.

Thanks for helping me get it working.

But it sucks that I have to give such broad access to the Clipper. Unnecessarily intrusive.

'tabClipper.checkBackgroundStatus' failed with error: Error: Tab must be specified

^ That's the error I'm seeing in the logs.

Just installed Brave browser on Windows 10. EN Clipper has been fine for me in Chrome browser, but it's not working in Brave.

I was able to log into the Clipper extension, but cannot access options (the wheel just spins indefinitely as seen in snapshot below). And when I click on the Clipper extension, I just see a briefly flashing popup indicating that login was successful, but it doesn't try to clip the page the Brave browser is on.

Anyone experiencing something similar in Brave?

1 hour ago, Gazebo said:

found that EN couldn't keep up with my typing,  I am a two finger typist. 

Amazing. Months after the release, v10 is the disaster that keeps on giving.

We have seen multiple users complaining about sluggishness in various aspects, but nothing is as maddening as when an app cannot keep up with your typing. Doesn't matter how good a note app is in other aspects, if I have to wait for it to catch up with my typing, that's a fatal flaw.

28 minutes ago, kongulu said:

Here is a link those interested in exploring the EN competition

https://www.noteapps.info/

 

That site is a good starting point, but be aware that the site is updated by one person, and he's not spending his days checking for updates on all these note apps. So essentially the site is only as current as the messages he gets from people pointing out changes in particular apps.

For example, Joplin has features that are incorrectly reported as being absent - daily notes/templates, pdf viewed within note, E2EE, export note links, Linux app, backlinks, intra-note links, notebook hierarchy, shortcuts, etc.

Another example is Evernote, which is listed as having E2EE, which it absolutely does not.

My advice for dissatisfied EN users is use the noteapps.info site to get a general overview of the competitive landscape, but don't take the specific feature list for any app literally, as it could be very out of date. If you are interested in an app, install it and import just your current working notes and use the app as your daily driver for a couple of weeks. If it fails your test drive, it's easy to import those notes back to Evernote, and you can try out another app. 

1 hour ago, gazumped said:

I think the "number of others" totals several hundred at this stage,  including fonts / styles / layout / links / printing / presentations amongst many others.  Wonder which ones they'll have time to finish before the Elephant Apocalypse happens...

Outline mode is a game changer. Once you use it, there is no going back to a note app that doesn't have this feature (or similar feature that lets you quickly and easily navigate a note). You better not try it, because then you'd be compelled to abandon your post as Evernote Forum's unpaid defender.  I hope they're at least sending you some of those Evernote socks that never sold. 😉

1 hour ago, Koandco said:

If I go into a stack then I have all my notes, I select all but only 50 will export at at time. Are you with a Mac? You must be with Windows. 

In any case, I'll ring them in the morning. 

 

I'm on Windows, v6, so yeah, I'm not seeing what you are. Yeah, try them - support is part of what you pay for. Let us know how it goes.

What menu options do you see when you try this on a notebook instead of a stack? If you see export option, then you can create a notebook, move it into the stack, then move the notes in the stack into that notebook, and then export that notebook.

7 minutes ago, Koandco said:

Maybe for you, not for me. 

Are you using windows? 

check my screen grab. 

I think the problem is you are trying to export the stack. A stack is not a notebook (Evernote does not have hierarchical notebooks). Go into the stack and try to export one of the notebooks.