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Paging @PinkElephantor someone else using v10. Or like you said, since you're a Premium sub, you should be able to get support from EN directly.

Yes, do it by notebook. You could do it by selecting all notes in v6/Legacy, but the enex export file you create does not contain any notebook data for the notes. Whatever app you import into cannot recreate the notebook structure because it's not in the enex. So might as well skip installing v6/Legacy and just export by notebook in v10 - then whatever apps you import to will drop all those notes in one notebook, so you can preserve your notebook structure as you move across. If you have too many notebooks to make this feasible, you could use the notebook name to tag all the notes in that notebook. Then you can dump several notebooks worth of notes into one notebook (though I wouldn't try to move 5k notes in 1 notebook, and would prefer to do them in smaller batches - again, there's no rush, take your time). This assumes the app you're moving to has tags and picks up tags from the enex (test it out first with one note or a small batch of notes). Then once notebook is imported, you create new notebooks to match your old structure in Evernote. Select all the notes containing each tag that represents an individual notebook's name, and move those notes to the corresponding notebook. Rinse, repeat for all the notebook-tags you moved across in that import. Hopefully that makes sense.

This feature request, like a number of others, will either be met or the green elephant will keel over and die. There was a time when EN, as undisputed king of the hill, could hold off indefinitely on these very sensible feature requests, but now that competitors, including open source competitors, have features like outline view, intra-note links, etc., EN will either catch up or be left for dead.

Yes, that is how I remember it the couple of times I hit the monthly upload limit on Basic - I could keep going about my business as usual, just couldn't sync (can't remember if it was couldn't sync at all or just not the new notes) until subsequent monthly cycle. I think I would have remembered being locked out of editing notes or creating new notes. So yes, I do believe this is a new behavior with v10, which may not be all that surprising given the increasing emphasis on cloud storage and deemphasis on local storage. The times I hit the upload limit were before there was even an option to *not* store your data locally (so it's possible v6 has the same behavior as v10). If we can't get this figured out from people who remember, I might just go whack that 60mb upload limit in v6 and see what happens.

Whether it's Notion or any other app, the best thing to do is try and see. If it works to your satisfaction, great. If not, no problem, all your data is still in Evernote. And even if you do move to another note app, you can still leave your existing notes in Evernote (just don't edit them there if you will be editing them in the new app). That way if you find certain notes didn't import well, you can always go back to see the originals in Evernote. Moving between note apps isn't like moving from one house to another, so don't stress. It doesn't have to be in one shot, you can always go back, even if you move, all your original notes are still back in EN; etc. Another option is don't move all your notes. Just move your current working notes and use Notion as your daily driver for a few weeks and see how you like it (referencing notes in EN as needed). If it turns out you prefer Evernote, you only have to move maybe a few dozen notes from Notion to EN. Using this approach, you can test drive multiple note apps one after the other and see what's out there and how it compares to the green elephant.

I think we are talking about two different things. I've hit the 60mb upload limit in the past, and that did not prevent me from editing notes. I read @ArjenC's post as saying that hitting the upload limit in v10 does lock you out from editing your notes.

I see. You're using note tabs a bit differently than I am. I use the Favorites panel to store shortcuts to frequently accessed notes and saved searches (note overview notes). That frees up note tabs for current working notes.

Or, if you want security from Evernote employees along with anyone who might hack Evernote and use the decryption keys to access your data, consider an app with zero knowledge encryption (which has been requested here, but EN will never provide because they insist on the ability to scan your notes). Where I would agree with @PinkElephantis that encrypting text inside a note is quite suboptimal. Better to encrypt your content in an attachment to a note. Obviously if this is a frequent occurrence, you might be better served with a different solution. For those not familiar, zero knowledge encryption means only you (or your devices) store the encryption key - not the app developer, not the cloud provider, only you.

So once you hit the 60mb limit, you cannot edit any of your notes until you upgrade or the next month starts? I don't recall this from v6, but given how many negative surprises there are in v10, I guess I shouldn't be shocked.

Well, like most cloud providers (including Evernote), I'm sure Dropbox is reading the data I store there. In the case of Joplin, they're reading gibberish because all my Joplin data is encrypted (zero knowledge encryption - built into Joplin). You could pay for online storage. Do any of these cloud services have terms of service that preclude them from reading your data if you're a paying customer? Can't imagine Google or any of the major players would hamstring themselves like that - in which case, you're paying *and* getting data mined. When using Dropbox as the sync location for Joplin, you're not relying on Dropbox to do the sync (in fact, you can deselect the Joplin folder in Dropbox so that Dropbox does *not* sync it) - Joplin does the sync; so no, changes don't get pushed to the clients; the clients have to initiate the sync.

Yeah, Outline is a game changer. There's no going back to a note app that doesn't have some kind of outline feature (here's looking at you, Evernote). You must be a Mac user, because you didn't mention note tabs. EN Win users never had note tabs, so that's been huge for me on Joplin. Also the various note links plugins which make it very efficient to create note links and see all the backlinks. Like you, my notes are primarily what I've written. And I agree, for someone whose notes are primarily content harvested from the web, Evernote is better because it's web clipper is still king of the hill.

Joplin is open source, it costs nothing. So it's really what does online storage cost you? I have a free Dropbox account and sync Joplin using that. I also have a free Nextcloud account, and I could sync using that. So for me, it costs me nothing to have Joplin synced across 3 devices.

+1. Speaking of attachments, there is a plugin equivalent for EN's import folder.

What clicks are you referring to?

This is my approach as well. If you move your notes elsewhere, that doesn't mean you have to delete your notes from Evernote - like @ArjenC, you can keep these notes in Evernote in static form (i.e., you don't edit these notes). If you run into a major issue with a note in your new platform, you can go see the original version of that note in Evernote and figure out how to replicate that in your new platform. To the point of importing into other platforms, keep in mind that even importing enex files back into Evernote itself is lossy (your note links go bye-bye). There is no standard export format in the note app space. One of the smoothest imports is from EN to Joplin (use 1.7.x as there have been many edge case improvements in that import process). And there are many export options from Joplin (export options are an important factor when considering note apps - make sure you aren't locking yourself in; and indeed, EN's lossy enex format is a bit of a lock-in on users with extensive note links - there are workarounds, but ideally you wouldn't have to work around a lossy export to begin with).

I Believe It May Finally Be Time to Say Goodbye to the Green Elephant https://dbvirago.medium.com/i-believe-it-may-finally-be-time-to-say-goodbye-to-the-green-elephant-18c6bdb0cd05

😲 We need our resident Officer Barbrady @gazumpedto get us to avert our eyes. "Nothing to see here folks, move along." 😛

Hey GM, haven't seen you around in a while. 😀 Similar boat. The abandonment of Local Notebooks combined with no zero knowledge encryption forces me to move a decent portion of my notes to another platform. And then the question is, is Evernote so great that it's worth keeping my not-so-confidential notes on one platform and my more confidential notes on another platform? That's what I've been facing as I use another note app as my daily driver where all new notes are created. And the answer for me is increasingly, "No" - it's becoming too much of a hassle to remember which platform a note is in, or run searches on both platforms. Evernote is still the top dog for web clipping, so at this point my thinking is all my notes go to one platform, and use Evernote for web clips on difficult websites.

^ This experience is something some of us pointed out a while back. It's easy to say "oh, just go back to v6 for now", and that's certainly very easy for Basic users (on desktop, but not so much on mobile), but for Premium users who aren't happy with recent events, that renewal date forces a bit of a choice. Do I cough up another $70 in light of broken workflows and uncertain prospects (not helped by terrible communication from the company)? ~8% of Premium users are having to answer that question every month. November, December, January, February - that's ~1/3 of the paying userbase having to answer that question. v10 has probably allowed EN to shed some staff given the unified codebase, but it has undoubtedly been a significant hit to revenues.

It's not about lazy programming, it's about competitive realities. EN could afford to maintain 5 different codebases back when Evernote and OneNote were the only "real" cross platform note apps. But times have changed, and the note app market has lots of competitors, a number of which have surpassed Evernote in some aspects of functionality. EN simply could not afford to move at a lumbering elephant's pace with 5 different codebases while their competitors are zooming ahead. That's not to say I think they managed this transition well - in fact, I have been very critical of this spectacularly bungled process. But I do understand that the transition to a unified codebase was necessary.

I'm still on v6, so I wasn't aware that local file links was dropped by v10, but it makes sense given EN's direction, even though it undoubtedly broke many user workflows. I would make the educated guess that local file links is going the way of Local Notebooks, meaning it is being permanently dropped. EN wants all user data on their servers. EN mods - can you confirm or deny? You can go back to v6 for Windows or Mac and local file links will work, as will Local Notebooks. And then decide on your plan going forward.

There is an addon to run OCR, but it's not in plugin form, so it requires some tech savvy. I would guess that at some point OCR of pdfs will be available as a plugin. OCR of pictures, I have no idea, but if someone with coding ability decides they want that feature, I would guess the lead dev would welcome that additional functionality. I haven't noticed any issues with table columns - just checked a table and the columns look good to me. Check for yourself - no need to import your EN notes. Just download and install (or use the portable version), it comes with some introductory notes. The easy way to create tables is in the rich text editor.

Can't blame you. It's a terrible choice EN has pushed Android users, who were negatively surprised by the v10 update, into making. There are app categories where I'd be willing to download an apk from a third party site (even then, only from apk sites that have a very good reputation), but there's no way I'd download a note app from a third party site. Too much risk to have all my notes in a non-verified version of EN Android.

Have you tried Joplin (base app + whichever plugins interest you)? For my use case, Joplin + plugins has *more* functionality than Evernote. For others that may not be the case - this is true of all the serious note apps - they are all slightly different in feature set from one another, so it's a matter of finding which app has features one prioritizes while giving up lower priority features. For some, that will be EN v6, which is still a great note app.

At least when I was providing an apk link, I was specifically pointing out that these are 3rd party sites and these app versions are not verified or endorsed in any way by Evernote. In other words, you install these unverified apk's at your own risk. None of us knows if these apps are hacked with malicious code or if they are sending user data to a hacker. I think it's irresponsible of you to provide these links without some kind of disclaimer. You know that some new people on this forum will look at your Lvl5 status and post count and assume you are either an EN employee or acting in some official representative capacity. That said, I think EN should be providing a way for people to revert on Android, but since they are refusing to do so, people may be willing to assume the risk of these 3rd party apk's.