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  1. I suspect that is where things are going - not just in Evernote, but in many apps. I somewhat agree with you, but consider it as a business decision: Electron makes it easy to target multiple platforms and allows the many web developers familiar with HTML/CSS/JavaScript to write desktop apps. As a frequent Linux user, I also appreciate that Electron is making it easier for commercial applications to be published for Linux. Your options for many apps may actually be "Electron or nothing at all." Evernote's present/previous state serves as a good example of what can happen when there's a native client for every platform: inconsistency and slow development. Have you used the new Evernote web beta? It's pretty slick, and I feel I'd be willing to trade some RAM and battery life for rearrangable bullet points. I know it could be done in a native application, but how many years went by where Evernote didn't? Only Evernote knows for sure, but it seems likely to me that the development effort only became worth it when the time spent on such a feature would only be needed once, then could apply to all their platforms.
  2. Running Firefox 68 on Linux, I was kicking around in the previous (current?) version of Evernote web. Clicking my user-icon thing, clicked the "Switch to new Evernote version" (or something worded similar), and it worked! Hopefully this is news to other people, because I didn't know, and I was very eager to see this happen!
  3. The memory drop after killing the tab is only 300M, but, I suspect there's still memory being tied up. I assume 1.2G of memory use in Brave isn't usual for you? I was never able to catch the high memory use, I only knew it had happened after the fact because Linux killed the process.
  4. I found it irritating that the message seems to imply the problem is with Firefox, rather than Evernote choosing not to use widely adopted standards that already exist for web applications. I guess this just echos your #2 point.
  5. Yeah, this is with the beta only. You don't experience this issue with the beta version and Brave? Or is it just with Brave and the current client that it works fine for you? I'm back to "current" which doesn't have any issues (aside from not being as nice to use). I was hoping as the beta client was beta that there might be a chance of helping to find an issue. I guess I'll just check in on it from time to time. I've also noticed that when sitting idle Brave and the beta client will use a solid 5% of my CPU, while the current client will use none. 🤷‍♂️
  6. I've been using the new Evernote beta web client in Brave on Linux lately. I'll leave two windows open throughout the day. At seemingly random times my system will become unresponsive and after 30 seconds or so Brave will be killed and my system starts running normally again. My 'dmesg' output has: [72616.778671] Out of memory: Kill process 47516 (brave) score 318 or sacrifice child [72616.778757] Killed process 47516 (brave) total-vm:784704kB, anon-rss:163084kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:2840kB [72616.809596] oom_reaper: reaped process 47516 (brave), now anon-rss:0kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:2720kB I'm reasonably sure this is related to the new Evernote web client, as in the past I've left Brave open for a day or more without issue. I've watched the Brave process closely and the memory use stay fairly constant, so whatever happens must be sudden. Memory use of my system is usually 5GiB/7.8GiB or less. So, putting this out there in case others have experienced this, or if someone can give me tips on how I can track this down better. Thanks!
  7. That looks right. I guess I was hoping for something obviously wrong. I figure either your system is interpreting the application wrong (thinking it's a file type it's not) or a broken Evernote application is persisting despite your reinstallation. Do you have any kind of virus scanner or browser extension that might be reading/modifying your downloads? I notice in an above post of yours that the Evernote application from the downloaded image has the proper icon, whereas before it didn't. What if you tried dragging the Evernote application, from the downloaded dmg, into your downloads folder or somewhere else that wasn't in your Applications folder? Can you run it from there?
  8. In Finder, when you select Evernote and do a "cmd+i", what does this window show?
  9. I'm sorry to say that the text editing functionality is quite new (around a year old). They implemented a new cross-platform editor for a common code base. It's written in Javascript, I'm fairly sure. Pull up Activity monitor, sort by CPU use, and then beside it start typing at a normal pace in and Evernote note. You'll be baffled at how/why a computer function as old as computers themselves (text editing) needs to use ~40% of a modern CPU (on my system). My theory: Evernote developers spend their days madly trying to build and fix a house built on sand, while management demands new additions be built yesterday. With 100 different problems, a Javascript editor to unify some of their code base seems like a great idea, but now they have 101 problems.
  10. I couldn't adequately compare versions. You could try one, uninstall, try the other. The problem of blank search results I believe is High Sierra-specific, and I've seen mention of the problem in fairly recent releases, so I don't know that 6.11.1 would have fixed that problem. Depending on your dedication to this, you can use VMware Fusion (or Parallels or Virtual Box) to run different versions of Evernote isolated from your system. This would give you a taste of what you were in for. But then at some point you have to ask yourself why you're spending so much time on a tool that's suppose to make your life easier.
  11. I'm running 6.9 (On macOS 10.13.3), which I make the case for here: Bugs I run in to: List of notes in search results can sometimes be blank (there are results, you just can't see them) My reminders at the top of my note list will sometimes get squished together at the top (not currently doing it, or I'd paste a screenshot) I've decided it's worth it to stick with this version for now. I do keep a close eye on the beta forums.
  12. It seems entirely redundant when the option exists for putting that same button in the top bar. Which, could be fine, but then making it non-optional is a bit much. I feel that the sidebar has better things to do with its real estate than host a mandatory, redundant button. Fingers crossed for this being an upcoming option.
  13. I did something recently that made me so happy I decided to share. I downgraded from Evernote 6.13 to 6.9. Let me tell you why - In Evernote 6.10 the old text editing code was replaced with new (Javascript-based, I believe) editing code. This was done to pave the way for new enhancements, and likely to create a common code base for the editor across all their platforms. It's the reason why tables got a lot more fancy soon after the 6.10 release. Further, somewhere around 6.12 Evernote started trying to synchronize your notes in real time. So, version 6.9 was the last version before all that started; it was released September 8th, 2016. Here is why I'm basking in the glow of "outdated" code: Memory use no longer grows without bounds. 2+GB was normal by the middle of the day previously. Now, I sit at a steady 400MB of memory use. Power use is no longer through the roof (which I think came with the continuous syncing). macOS 'Monitor' displays a metric for energy use, and those numbers are most interesting in relation to each other. Entering plaintext on the newer EN clients, the "Energy Impact" would sit around "66". Now, with 6.9, the average is well below "1", and editing is always under "5". Much more concrete, I can work the day at the library and leave with over 50% of my battery left. Previously, with 6.13, I was leaving with ~30% left. After a couple of hours after starting Evernote, my cursor doesn't stutter as I type Text editing with bullets doesn't do inexplicable things sometimes. Tables, although less pretty, happily resize with my note window My search bar is spacious My Atlas is back Want to do this too? Backup your notes! In particular, your local-only notebooks. Delete your old Evernote Rename/move the following directory: ~/Library/Application Support/com.evernote.Evernote Install Evernote 6.9. You can get the official binary here: Run Evernote 6.9, log in, get all your settings the way you like it, let it finish syncing Import any local-only notebooks Uneasily enjoy as you hope Evernote fixes their Mac client faster than they decide to block your old client! What could go wrong? Evernote is changing a lot in their new clients, Sync might slowly become incompatible is non-obvious ways. Data loss/mangling is a possibility Notes created in the new/old version might start to work less well in old/new versions. Evernote may just decide to block older clients There was a version 6.9.2 released, which was probably released for a very good reason, but I couldn't find that official file. 6.9 (or 6.9.2) aren't without their own bugs. Choose your poison! There might be security issues? I'm not sure the real risk here, but prior to being burned so badly with new EN releases, I would have said always stay up to date with software. I have no knowledge of security problems in older versions. There you go. My experience has been flawless. I was happy to see that the tables I created in the new client look just fine (better, in fact) in the old client. And, to be clear, this is an attempt at constructive criticism of the current Mac client situation. I'm incredibly entrenched in my Evernote ways, but I'm suffering from death by a thousand cuts with the current client. At some point the pain of reworking my workflow and foregoing some EN features is going to outweigh the pain of trying to work with the new client. Good luck! (?)
  14. So, I guess there are a few reasons I don't consider this enough. First, is that each independently encrypted section of text asks for a password. Sounds like that doesn't bother you, but if I'm flipping through notes, I don't want to have to decrypt repeatedly just to browse. As well, I feel it works against using strong passwords as I'm likely to just pick some easy password for everything. Second, I can only encrypt text. I can't just blanket highlight and encrypt everything. I can't encrypt if there's an attachment, image, or table (and maybe even more stuff). I'm surely not going to separately encrypt around these things in my notes, just to make sure I get all the text. Not an objective reason, but, I don't really trust it. It appears at one point Evernote had an official statement about the implementation (Actually in a post of yours: https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/106326-evernote-encryption/?do=findComment&comment=466895) but they've since removed it (https://evernote.com/security/). Encrypting attachments sounds like a good approach, but, it does kind of break most workflows. For a new document I'd have to save it to the file system, attach it in Evernote, then delete it from the file system (or risk forgetting which copy was the current one). As for the "leaving Evernote fire," I guess, maybe it's just the places I hang out, but it feels like its been a pretty persistent sentiment in a lot of places for over a year now. Lack of note security I see cited often. I agree with your impression of it, however.
  15. On macOS you can create local notebooks by holding down alt, clicking File, then going "New Local Notebook." I'm sure some equivalent exists for the Windows client. This notebook is still searchable on your local client, but things like PDF searching won't work (Maybe all attachments?). Like you've identified, you'll need to do your own backups. I consider this a weak solution though, as I've had my local only notebooks uploaded after a client upgrade to a beta version. I don't recall if there was a production version that this bug existed in. There were other people who stated this had happened at an earlier point in time as well. I deleted those notebooks right away, but for all I know they're still up in the cloud somewhere, likely as a backup. So, I consider that data to have gotten out.
  16. I think that the claim that your Evernote data "at rest" is encrypted is pretty useless. Where this would protect you is if someone walked into the data center and walked away with hardware. Evernote (the company) is certainly able to read your data without you supplying the password; as you mention they OCR and index your content. Encrypting your data is at odds with what Evernote is trying to do, which is allow you to access your data everywhere, provide useful search results, and collaborate with other people. If your data is unreadable without your password, they can't do these things. I can think of lots of solutions, but, they would certainly be a headache for Evernote. Let the client index content, keep all data sent to Evernote encrypted You still have to trust Evernote isn't swiping your key or sending unencrypted data back Any improvements to search/index/OCR would have to be pushed out with software updates Might be that some of the best machine learning approaches require access to resources that can't be pushed out to end users Still possible to use the web client, but browser must perform encryption/decryption I think Apple is trying to take this approach, in contrast to Google, for things like photo recognition/searching Searchable encryption - Varying implementations with variable effectiveness The short version is, you send encrypted data, you send encrypted searches, Evernote sends encrypted data back to you In all versions, there's a lot more overhead. I don't know what it means for various machine learning approaches EN might want to use Just let us choose notebooks and/or notes to encrypt, with the understanding that some search or sharing features will be absent Make it easier than the current "encrypt selected text". Use the macOS KeyChain, for example, so we don't have to remember many different passwords Put a nice little lock/unlock icon on the notebooks. If the features Evernote wants to offer us by parsing our notes are so compelling they shouldn't have to worry about users encrypting all notes. 95% of my notes I'd love to have them rummage through so they can make my life easier. That 5% though - why not make it a natural fit to put - and keep - that private data in Evernote too, rather than letting it add fuel to the "leaving Evernote" fire?
  17. Even when logged out of Evernote, the content is still all on the hard drive, unencrypted for the logged in user (macOS user). I can imagine a way of preventing Spotlight from using Evernote's index, so your notes wouldn't show up in Spotlight searches. Of course, now you can't search your notes at all in Spotlight. Another workaround could be to put passwords farther down in the note so they don't appear in the preview. Encrypting your passwords in the note, or just not keeping there might be most realistic. Long story short, I think this is just the nature of the beast.
  18. Here are some of the bugs I have on my list: Under certain circumstances attachments edited outside Evernote will disappear Confirmed this still exists in this beta. Detailed here: Highlighting text in a table cell with a background color causes breaks in background color Detailed here: Tables get an extra space above them when you leave and come back To reproduce: 1. Write text in a note 2. Hit enter once 3. Insert table 4. Delete extra space between table and above text 5. Leave and come back 6. Extra space returns. Screenshot: Trying to bold/italic all text in a table cell that has varying bold/italics doesn’t work correctly To reproduce: 1. Create a table with at least 2 cells 2. Write text in cells 3. Bold and/or italicize text, but be sure formatting isn’t all the same across cells 4. Highlight all table cells. 5. Try to bold and/or italicize. Formatting of text will alternate as if it were individually highlighted On the surface this seems to make sense, but it doesn’t match the old behaviour or the behaviour of any other app with tables. Highlighting all table cells and then hitting “Italic” should bring all highlighted text to the same state of italics. Screenshot: Fn+Delete won't bring a line of unbulleted text to a bullet To reproduce: 1. Create a bulleted list 2. Hit enter twice to get a new line without a bullet 3. Type some text 4. Return to the end of the last bulleted item, hit enter to get new bullet 5. Use Fn+Delete to bring line below up to the current bulleted line 6. Unpredictable, but never correct, results Pasting without formatting still keeps links To reproduce: 1. Copy some text from the browser that has links in it 2. Paste into Evernote note with Shift+Option+Cmd+v 3. Unformatted text, but links remain This use to paste just text, without links, which I’d consider correct behaviour. In Apple notes Cmd+v will paste with formatting and links, Shift+Option+Cmd+v will paste without formatting and links. When I copy from a PDF then paste without formatting, I get the PDF page number when I hover over the text This again comes from my expectation that pasting without formatting (Shift+Option+Cmd+v) means I should only be getting text in my note. To reproduce: 1. Copy text from a PDF (From Preview, may or may not work with other PDF viewers) 2. Paste into Evernote note with “Shift+Option+Cmd+v” 3. Hover over pasted text, see page number And finally, memory use I don't really know how to report this, but I've found it to be a little crazy lately. Starting Evernote first thing in the morning, then going about my business studying, Evernote will easily hit 1GB of memory used. Give it two days and entering text gets laggy. I haven't heard others mentioning this however, so, maybe it's unique to me. I not-very-seriously posted about this before:
  19. Has anyone noticed recently added attachments disappearing? I thought I noticed it a few times, but second guessed myself enough to not look into it. However, this morning I'm certain the last time I had a particular note open I had attached a PDF, and now it's gone. Looking at the note history, the very previous version has the PDF. Looking on the file system I see three identical (but differently named files) that end in "en-pdf-text." There are no longer any PDFs in this note, and there aren't any PDF files in the note directory. My Activity Log doesn't go back far enough to when I initially attached the PDF. So, I guess I'm just putting this out there. Maybe someone else has noticed this. Edit - Turns out I do still have the activity log, and I can see where/when my PDF was deleted. It looks something like this: 2017/09/12 10:00:11:423 I|* main -[ENCommonEditorWebView commitEditingWithCompletion:] | Saving note [7a630cca-e503-4862-84fb-a3903e475230]/p2303 length of 2650 bytes: 2017/09/12 10:00:11:424 I|* 14558 -[ENMacNoteMO updateNoteResourcesByHash:] | Note resources hashes found in content: {( 58cf8d6e28ee2a1704eef47a7365b552 )} for note 7a630cca-e503-4862-84fb-a3903e475230/p2303 'Unit 2: Ethics and Moral Reasoning' 517182 <9f1cd3e7 1e060a35 5fe8183c 86d5afdd> 2017/09/12 10:00:11:424 I|* 14558 -[ENMacNoteMO updateNoteResourcesByHash:] | Note resources hashes found in model: {( 1b6d1728cf37d2ff466c2e4ddc8f2b0f )} for note 7a630cca-e503-4862-84fb-a3903e475230/p2303 'Unit 2: Ethics and Moral Reasoning' 517182 <9f1cd3e7 1e060a35 5fe8183c 86d5afdd> 2017/09/12 10:00:11:444 I|* 14558 -[ENMacNoteMO updateNoteResourcesByHash:] | Deleting resource with hash 1b6d1728cf37d2ff466c2e4ddc8f2b0f in note 7a630cca-e503-4862-84fb-a3903e475230/p2303 'Unit 2: Ethics and Moral Reasoning' 517182 <9f1cd3e7 1e060a35 5fe8183c 86d5afdd> 2017/09/12 10:00:11:444 I|* 14558 -[ENCoreDataLocalStore expungeObjects:] | Deleting local object <ENMacResourceMO 0x7f907710f950> MOID:0x99a80016b <x-coredata://82E72F89-3690-42D2-9BDF-D6A8375F4D4D/ENResource/p9834> GUID:(null) 2017/09/12 10:00:11:449 W|** 14558 -[ENMLIntegrityWriter parser:didStartElement:attributes:] | Can't emit en-media tag for hash 58cf8d6e28ee2a1704eef47a7365b552 because it's not in self.resourceHashes So.. If someone wants this log and more details, let me know. I'm not really willing to go through the normal Evernote support process to get someone to look at this, however. Edit 2 - Ok, last edit. I can semi-reliably reproduce this. I think it's related to modifying the PDF with an outside application and syncing. If I attach a 3 megabyte PDF (unsure the importance of the size), write text to the note, open and modify the PDF outside of Evernote, write more text into the note, then leave the note and come back, 25% of the time the PDF will be gone. If I do this long enough my activity log will be going berserk with: 2017/09/17 11:57:11:863 I|* 19658 -[ENSyncEngine(Resources) processLocalResourceChanges] | Processing local resource changes... 2017/09/17 11:57:11:863 E|*** 19665 -[ENCoreDataLocalStore objectWithID:] | Unable to fetch object! 2017/09/17 11:57:11:864 I|* 19665 -[ENCoreDataLocalStore objectWithID:] | objectID=0x9bac0014b <x-coredata://82E72F89-3690-42D2-9BDF-D6A8375F4D4D/ENResource/p9963>, request=<NSFetchRequest: 0x7fba2ac58110> (entity: ENResource; predicate: (SELF == <ENMacResourceMO: 0x7fba2ac56610> (entity: ENResource; id: 0x9bac0014b <x-coredata://82E72F89-3690-42D2-9BDF-D6A8375F4D4D/ENResource/p9963> ; data: <fault>)); sortDescriptors: ((null)); type: NSManagedObjectResultType; ), object=<ENMacResourceMO: 0x7fba2ac56610> (entity: ENResource; id: 0x9bac0014b <x-coredata://82E72F89-3690-42D2-9BDF-D6A8375F4D4D/ENResource/p9963> ; data: <fault>) 2017/09/17 11:57:11:864 E|*** 19665 -[ENCoreDataLocalStore objectWithID:] | Unable to fetch object! 2017/09/17 11:57:11:864 I|* 19665 -[ENCoreDataLocalStore objectWithID:] | objectID=0x9bb80014b <x-coredata://82E72F89-3690-42D2-9BDF-D6A8375F4D4D/ENResource/p9966>, request=<NSFetchRequest: 0x7fba2a530ee0> (entity: ENResource; predicate: (SELF == <ENMacResourceMO: 0x7fba29dbf530> (entity: ENResource; id: 0x9bb80014b <x-coredata://82E72F89-3690-42D2-9BDF-D6A8375F4D4D/ENResource/p9966> ; data: <fault>)); sortDescriptors: ((null)); type: NSManagedObjectResultType; ), object=<ENMacResourceMO: 0x7fba29dbf530> (entity: ENResource; id: 0x9bb80014b <x-coredata://82E72F89-3690-42D2-9BDF-D6A8375F4D4D/ENResource/p9966> ; data: <fault>) 2017/09/17 11:57:11:868 I|* 19658 -[ENSyncEngine(Notebooks) processLocalNotebookExpungements] | Processing local notebook expungements... 2017/09/17 11:57:11:869 E|*** 19665 -[ENCoreDataLocalStore objectWithID:] | Unable to fetch object! Not wanting to spend any more time on this, I wasn't able to pin it down any more.
  20. You're right that those grey-box headers are in a table (by looking at the ENML file). I don't know what you can do with that information, however. A user created table can be selected and Simplify Formatting will work as well as it does on normal text. I think waiting for bug fixes is what we're all doing.
  21. An example from the original HTML source, same line breaks and all: <p>While a-priori searching on encrypted data may sound impossible and even contradictory, we know of many ways to do it. Some methods are more practical than others, some are more secure than others and some are more functional/flexible.</p> How this renders in the web browser and Evernote Web: How this renders in Evernote for the Mac: Note that where the text (not HTML) line break happened in the source HTML, the trailing and leading words are rendered without a space between them in Evernote for the Mac. "andeven", "aremore", "morefunctional". Although interestingly, the Android client behaves as the Mac client. No, actually, the Android client renders with the expected (correct) spacing. It looks like once the Mac client modifies/saves the clipped note, the bad spacing sticks and then shows up across all the other clients. Anyway, I wouldn't consider this an erroneous expectation on my part. At the most basic level, if it has a space in the webpage clipped (as viewed from Safari or Firefox), why isn't that space rendered by Evernote?
  22. I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but the last couple of Mac Evernote versions seems to eat text spacing for some content. I've noticed in it very old notes, but I just realized now that it happens to with content from the Evernote WebClipper. I've attached a screenshot of a note with the issue. On the left I have the `content.enml` open, which shows that the text across line breaks isn't being displayed with a space in the text. Looking at the same note on the Web client, the spacing is correct. The original clipped page is http://outsourcedbits.org/2013/10/06/how-to-search-on-encrypted-data-introduction-part-1/
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