Dave-in-Decatur

This discussion has drifted quite a bit from a discussion of Legacy, but there's an interesting point here. Basically, do you want locally based note storage, which you can upload to any cloud platform and then sync to another device, allowing end-to-end encryption and operations like searches as fast as your local machine can manage, but eliminating services that could be run on the notes company's servers? Or do you deal with the additional complexities of a remote-server based system, which makes encryption (among other things) more difficult but opens up some other possibilities. For me, I see two advantages to the Evernote model as opposed to the Joplin model (assuming I understand them both, which can be questioned--please correct me if I'm wrong). First, Evernote allows for a Web client that does not store a local database of notes. Does Joplin manage that, even with notes stored in Dropbox? It's quite an advantage if you need to access your notes in a public setting such as a library without your own computer. (For that matter, how does Joplin do mobile? Does each mobile device have to have the full database, or does Joplin do a 3-cornered thing between Dropbox, its central operation, and your mobile?) Second, in collaborative and other settings in which it is desirable to have the same note open and editable on more than one device simultaneously, Evernote seems at last to have climbed the mountain (or nearly so) of doing that without conflicts and in (very near) real time. I'm not saying others don't do this (I simply don't know), but Evernote's system with notes and some operations (including also OCR) based on their servers seems like it would have the advantage here. The tradeoff being encryption, and the increase in Internet hops to get everything done, in contrast to operations being done locally.

@johnm243, a number of people in the forums have spoken well of Joplin, and there's something to be said for having an exit strategy (though I like Evernote v. 10 myself). Taking a look around Joplin's Website, I notice that it formats using Markdown, about which some people are as fervent as some others are about Evernote; for me it would be a learning curve. I don't see any mention of tagging, or (surprisingly) of searching, but I presume there is searching. I do see mention of conflicts, which generate conflict notes which one then manually compares -- so indeed a lot like Legacy. (And Evernote 10, until the recent sync upgrade, which hopefully eliminates them.) Hope it will work for what you need.

The lack of solutions on the various threads means no one here has a solution, most likely. We are other users here--Evernote staff may chime in at times, but user-to-user is the primary help here, and this is not a problem that other users can really fix. Starting another thread does not change that. I was just trying to avoid clutter. Anyway, sending Evernote a support request at https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/requests/new is the most likely way to get help for this issue, which obviously is widespread and needs their attention.

There we agree - makes no difference.

These really are, and always have been, essentially user-to-user forums. Recently there's been more activity by Evernote staff here, partly because of the rollout of new features (new syncing, RTE, AI). Mostly, though, it's users talking to other users. If you really want to address Evernote directly and tell them off, you can do it here: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/requests/new. Your public announcement will not make Evernote feel any more pain than a message to support. Frankly, your fellow users do not give ... well, anything about whether any individual uses Evernote or another platform. Yet these forums are littered with "Dear Evernote" farewell posts, as if they were the last competent sailor on the Titanic.

I see it on Android, not on Windows or Web clients. I have never saved any note as offline in Android, but certain notes (though not all) open at the end--they don't have to be pinned on the Home page either. The behavior seems to be wildly inconsistent.

I can't say that I've noticed any slowdowns in searching; I'm not actually sure whether a simple keyword search is done in an index on the device, or has to be forwarded to Evernote's servers to search, and the results sent back. But the note taking a few seconds to open is almost certainly a result of the necessary conversion of the old sync structure to the new one, as @agsteele said.

Worked for me too. I hadn't been bothered, since I don't use the Evernote tray icon much, but green is definitely better than white there.

@Bill Myers, I'll take that last word offer. (Hope it's the last.) I'm with you on the need to speak up when we see injustice being done. But it's also unjust to interpret an expression from another culture in terms of one's own, draw conclusions from the misinterpretation, and then blame the other person. As far as I can tell, "Italian" was just meant as an adjective, not pejorative in any way. If someone had said, in more American parlance, "the Redmond gang" or "the Palo Alto bunch," would you have thought anything of it (even with the use of "gang")? I'll gladly claim "woke" myself (and ask why anyone else would want to be napping). But if I over-read something or misapply an assumption from my local cultural, I hope I can just say "sorry" without defending my error to the bitter end. And please, let's let that be the end.

Oddly, though I'm still on plain 10.51, today I had several notes open properly at the top. Of course, a couple of them were long notes that I wanted to add to at the end....

I note that this "user" did not respond to my request for "I am not a robot" confirmation, so I'm thinkin'.... The robots are still not good enough at sounding like humans to persuade me of anything, not even when they robotically call me and warn me robotically about my car insurance expiring. But evidently AI is now self-marketing, so at least it fits into the modern world.

Reminds me of a story from WWII about some automated radar-controlled airborne thingy that was being tested before a group of government and military officials, and persisted in buzzing straight at Winston Churchill. I believe development was halted.

Yes. This has been happening for several days. You can submit an email ticket by clicking the appropriate link. We here are other users, and may be able to offer suggestions, if you indicate what the issues are for you.

@kongulu, I would recommend deleting the email address from this post, since this is a very public space and you could be inviting spamming. Besides emailing him directly, you could just use this: @Federico Simionato. I would disagree with your expressions here. "Users have built their workflows around the Legacy version" is misleading. Some users who built such workflows continue to find that v. 10 does not suit them, and express that in this thread and elsewhere. Many users have adapted their workflows to v. 10, and often found them much improved. But both of us are using the imprecise term "many," since neither of us knows how many. You seem to imply that masses of users wish to use Legacy and only Legacy, but can that be supported with numbers? Then there's this: How much are you willing to pay to support the multiple teams of programmers needed to keep Legacy running on Windows, Macs, Web, Android, and iOS, as each of these OSes goes through continuous updates, some of which will break Legacy functions if the functions are not reprogrammed? The whole point of the move to v. 10, initially, was to have a unified code base and user experience. If you do not desire that, fine. But please indicate at least a top end of the subscription price you'd be willing to pay for it.

... and in fact at one point said explicitly in a forum post that creating a support ticket is the best way to draw their attention to a problem. I've found note responsiveness to be erratic on all platforms. This morning I opened an older note in Android and it took close to a minute to appear. Fortunately I was eating breakfast at the time, so I could just take a few bites and then edit the note when it finally displayed. At other times notes just appear, even ones that might need a conversion.

Hi, and welcome to the forums. Those are two separate issues; if you use the forum search feature you will find more than one thread on each of them. One thing that is happening is that Evernote, about a month ago, rolled out a new sync structure that requires each note to be converted to the new system. This causes notes to take some seconds to open. I don't know if that is related to these issues or not; I believe some who have reported heavy CPU usage are saying that the new updates have actually helped that issue.

I am speculating here -- @agsteele, please chime in if you have any information -- but I wonder if there is something going wrong in the Electron framework and its communication with the Android operating system. I ask this because another recently reported bug, which is apparently becoming widespread, is that files can't be shared to Evernote in the normal way, with an error message about file permissions being required, which could (I speculate) also be an issue with Electron's OS interactions: And then there is the universal phenomenon of the Add Image button not working, which has been reported to Evernote and is being investigated:

But ... isn't that just tag:Omega_launch and -tag:accounting? What if one note recorded a meeting about the Omega launch in which you raised an idea, the boss gave you a look and said "I guess there's no accounting for tastes," and you realized that the idea was a non-starter ... and AI omitted that note ... and (since like me you rely on Evernote to remember stuff) you wrote a carefully crafted (maybe AI-assisted) memo proposing the idea? Hmm? What about that, hmm?

PS. - Looking forward to traveling to Adelaide for a conference in July (and some days of touring afterward) -- will be in the midst of a mob of religion scholars.

To this specific point, it's been observed (earlier in this long, winding thread, I believe) that Evernote did not raise its prices for years, since 2016 in fact. I would agree that a series of small increases over those years would have made much more sense, especially if there had been accompanying improvements in features and performance. But that latter all came in one large but slow-moving lump with the introduction of v. 10 and its gradual entry into the realm of usability (for most people, not all). Now it seems reasonable to raise the prices correspondingly--in one large but very rapidly moving lump, which has caused a lot of pain. All in all, not well managed over a period of years, IMHO. Like the old story about cooking frogs in a pot--raise it a degree at a time and they'll all boil contentedly.

@chtaming and @Kentlangston, please read my post immediately above yours.

The explanation is given in my post immediately preceding yours. There really isn't anything else to say.

Going from v. 6 to v. 10 in one jump is quite a departure. In the early days of v. 10, when it still lacked a lot of features, I kept using v. 6. At some point I started using the v. 10 Web client, which slowly introduced me to the new interface and helped me understand how to use it. Eventually, v. 10 became robust enough and I had learned its routines well enough, that I switched over to using it almost exclusively. All of which is to say that what looks like a "productivity tax" is a serious learning curve, and the need to modify or abandon long-ingrained work habits and adopt some new ones. None of us was born using Evernote Legacy. We all had to learn new work habits as we adapted to it. And now the same process has to be done again. But I don't think Evernote has done itself or its users any favors by this campaign of "updating" from Legacy to v. 10, which has caught many users by surprise when they find themselves in the world of v. 10. In an earlier post, @GarySam said, "None of these features map to user's productivity (from my perspective)." But that "from my perspective" is key: Evernote is so versatile that "user's productivity" simply can't be categorized into any one perspective. I'm finding myself increasingly productive with v. 10, but it didn't happen overnight. Having to change processes and habits, if a tool has become essential, is a pain and a drain. But there is no standard "user" of Evernote whom the company is somehow disdaining. It's more like a field of users that is morphing, expanding in some areas and contracting in others, and in many areas keeping on and becoming accustomed. My 5.86 cents (adjusted for inflation).

@idoc, not my circus, not my ... you know. But to the extent that I can follow this, I think I'm more or less with @CalS. Super-massive concatenated PDFs don't seem to be what Evernote is designed for. If you know which PDF to search and what term to search for, then you don't need Evernote, just a PDF reader and some reliable cloud storage.

Same in the Web client just now.