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Krunoslav

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  1. Wow.  Thanks for all of the feedback.

     

    Regarding the technical details, I'll see if I can summarize here, but I think this might be better suited for a follow on blog post.  Here are the particulars:

     

    In all of our clients, what you actually see, interact with, and edit is HTML.  Originally, each of the clients consumed ENML and then translated that to HTML so that you can view and edit it.  Those edits were translated back to ENML which was store locally and synced with the Evernote service.  ENML is well defined, so there was no need to standardize the ENML -> HTML conversion.  So long as each client produced and consumed valid ENML, things were fine.

     

    This worked well for a while, but as the codebases and clients features diverged, inconsistencies between the converters caused inconsistent HTML rendering across clients.  Bugs started to show up on one client, then were fixed only to pop up on another.  New editor features needed to be built by each team so a new feature meant 5-7 times the work of building it once... all of this leads us to where we are today.

     

    The "new" editor is a  shared, common codebase that consumes and produces ENML, just like the old ones.  The difference is that the technology we used to build the new editor (JavaScript) is cross platform, so we can build it once and share it everywhere.  No more inconsistencies.  Fewer bugs.  Better editing for everyone.

     

    The complexity lies in the details. Each of the clients were not built thinking that we would just "drop in a new editor" so we needed to do some rearchitecting and refactoring.  Hence "replacing the pipes".  This work is completed on Mac and Windows, and is ongoing on the other clients.

     

    @JMichael, that's why I posted this message twice.  I wanted to make sure the Mac and Windows users were aware.

     

    Be expecting more detail as things progress.

    This is one of the first believe it or not actual precise feedback I have seen from Evernote team. Congratulations. I'm impressed. :)

     

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    We can’t promise to get everything right the first time, but we can promise to listen to your feedback and work tirelessly to make every version of Evernote’s editor better than the last. If you have feedback on the editor, we’re here to listen. Feel free to comment on this thread or DM me.

    I appreciate the attempt to implement new features, God knows Evernote is in desperate need of note editor because even note editor in forums here is better. That being said, a legitimate concern and question I have to ask, based on the quote from you posted above. I'm sure you can understand. Perhaps you personally are not responsible for any of it but you do wear Evernote banner so in a way you are part of the organization.

    You said "We can promise to listen to your feedback and work tirelessly to make every version of Evernote’s editor better than the last. If you have feedback on the editor, we’re here to listen."

    Evernote has a long and embarrassing, well documented history of doing precisely the opposite of what you now claim. No feedback (just browse this forums here and its really easy to see) and ignoring user requests. e.g. Evernote beta and other examples. So why should we trust you or even be excited about your promise when actions speak to the contrary? I ask this not to troll but to see if you are man of your word. And is this something worth investing time into. From testing beta to following its progress to actually sticking with your product vs alternatives such as Onenote for example. Can you please answer my question and prove that we the loyal users are not being brutally ignored once again. Thank you.

    i don't think we can hold one individual to blame for the sins of others (perceived or imagined), especially when it was a multiple team project undertaken over multiple years with a shifting staff of developers working under different leadership. in short, i don't think he (or anyone else) can satisfactorily respond to your question about whether they are a man (or woman) of their word. even if such a thing could somehow be demonstrated here, there is a lot more going on here -- "listening," for example. listening does not mean responding to user requests. it doesn't mean implementing them. it doesn't mean ignoring them. it means listening, which really isn't going to be very easy to observe by those doing the speaking. at any rate, as far as trust and so forth goes, it's a beta and you can give it a shot or not.

     

    Sure I can, because I have little choice. I am a paying customer and I can't get any information on the problems that I am having and since the big CEO or any of the decisions makers are not responding and have decided to make the Evernote policy to retain information and infuriate millions of its users for years. If they have decided to put someone on this forum as a spokesperson for its customers than he or she is the only one I can reach and therefore he or she is responsible. That is my right as a customer especially paying customer. When they decided to treat its users with more respect, the users will be more tolerant. As for this particular individual I have clearly stated "Perhaps you personally are not responsible for any of it but you do wear Evernote banner so in a way you are part of the organization."

    You said: "listening," for example. listening does not mean responding to user requests. it doesn't mean implementing them. it doesn't mean ignoring them. it means listening, which really isn't going to be very easy to observe by those doing the speaking. at any rate, as far as trust and so forth goes, it's a beta and you can give it a shot or not."

    I'm sorry, but for any company and especially a leading company in its field witch prides itself with over a hundred millions users and payed subscription model, that simply is not good enough. The only reason why it is happening is because it can, (so far) but certainly not because it should.

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    So why should we trust you or even be excited about your promise when actions speak to the contrary? I ask this not to troll but to see if you are man of your word. And is this something worth investing time into. From testing beta to following its progress to actually sticking with your product vs alternatives such as Onenote for example. Can you please answer my question and prove that we the loyal users are not being brutally ignored once again. Thank you.

     

    I'm sorry that you feel this way, but I can tell you that we hear you and we do care... this is precisely why we're making it a priority to be more responsive.  Beyond that, we will just have to earn your trust by following through.  

     

    Fair enough. I am willing to wait for a little longer and see what happens. That being said, would it be too much to ask for you to post screenshots or even better a video showcasing what is new and what is expected for the new editor. I don't want to try beta just yet since last few betas had bugs and broke some things that worked before and I was forced to go back a version. Having many valuable notes and relaying on it of daily use, but also eager to see what is new. I would appreciate some more visual information demonstrating what are the new features. Thank you.

     


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    Since updating to Ver 5.9.1 there seems to be new behavior involved with the way Notebook column re-sizing works. It always defaults to width of 215 px no matter how many times I manually resize it, as soon as I switch windows or minimize Evernote window, the Notebook column goes back to 215 px. This is a problem since I have notebook names that are longer than that and I want them to be visible. This is something I noticed since Ver 5.9.1. Either its a BUG or a new forced behavior that I didn't ask for or want. Please revert back to the manual way or re sizing it and evernote remembering the values. Thank you.

    Here are screenshots to illustrate the problem.

     

    Aaaaaand this bug is back. Same on my machine. Drat.

     

    You had it before? You mean I'm not crazy? Hehehe.


  5. Since updating to Ver 5.9.1 there seems to be new behavior involved with the way Notebook column re-sizing works. It always defaults to width of 215 px no matter how many times I manually resize it, as soon as I switch windows or minimize Evernote window, the Notebook column goes back to 215 px. This is a problem since I have notebook names that are longer than that and I want them to be visible. This is something I noticed since Ver 5.9.1. Either its a BUG or a new forced behavior that I didn't ask for or want. Please revert back to the manual way or re sizing it and evernote remembering the values. Thank you.

    Here are screenshots to illustrate the problem.

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  6. Appreciate the update, seems to be on the right track now. But, I really find useful the update all other browsers received, a more cleaner and more useful way to clip, LinkedIn, Youtube etc. Any chance of getting that in Firefox soon? As for Firefox approval period, don't worry about it, just post an update here on on their website and keep us notified. That is all we ask. Thank you.

     


  7. Well, looks like the high CPU usage and memmory problems have been fixed for me. Been using it enough to know that whatever you did its differnt than from the last version. Pretty much everything seems to be working now. At first it would not clip some pages at some random times, but as if over time got trained to know what I want and somehow the problems went away. I can't replicate it but either way right now I am happy wiht it, works as it should.

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  8. Works fine for me when clipping most of the time, but horribly slows down Firefox after short use. UI becomes dead slow and lagging. This has been the issue for over a year, and of all the Firefox extension this is the only one that does this, come on guys. Can't you write a normal extension like everyone else. It's been over a year. BTW. This has been confirmed by me in previous pots and other people on this forum. Your extension is unusable since it effects Firefox resources so badly. Please fix this ASAP. Thank you.

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    it consume too much cpu when I open dozens of tabs.

    please fix it.

    Dozens of tabs i any browser is probably going to be a problem, just because of the browser.

     

    That being said, does the CPU load decrease when clipping is done?

     

     

    I disagree. I have reagurally open up to a 100 tabs in a browser (Firefox) and there is no issues. Even Clearly and older verion of web clipper work fine, only the new one clearly has memorry issues.

    The CPU is not really the problem its the memorry and generaly slugishess after install. And it is slow no matter if you are clipping or not.


  10. Beyond personal preference, Firefox offers special addons that I can't find alternatives for in Chrome There are other reasons as well. Besides. Firefox is the only browser that has full color management support, if Chrome ever gets it let me know. In the meantime I will use Firefox. I have wide gamut monitor and it's unusable without color managed applications.


  11. Still a lot of memory usage. I'm on Firefox 34, and when I'm using it with no web clipper, with 50 tabs open its 600 MB of memory or so. As soon as I install web caliper it goes to 1600 MB and stays there, plus everything is slow, the UI I mean. I uninstall web cliper and it's back to normal.Clearly there is some kind of issue.


  12. Hi all,

    We have verified the memory usage problems and are working on a fix for them. 

    If you have this problem it would be great if you can post more details about your typical workflow and that will help us narrow down the components that are offending. 

    - What type of clip are you making? (article, simplified article, screenshot, etc)

    - What notebook selection preference do you have? (smart filing, last used notebook, specific notebook)

     

    Thx

    For me, regarding memory issues, it doesn't matter how I use it.  I think the moment it is installed, Firefox UI responsiveness goes down. Once its uninstalled it works fine again.

     


  13. Version 6 from the addons.mozilla.org managed to slow down my Firefox 33.1.1 on Windows 8.1 significantly. Loading pages, closing tabs and everything else lagged considerably and the Firefox process grew above 1 GiB, while with the Web Clipper 5.9.1 it sits around 600 MiB and there is no noticeable lag even after several days of usage.

    I can confirm this as well. The addon makes the whole Firefox interface very slow and loading pages is slow as well. Only in Web Cliper 6 beta, not the earlier versions. I have to use Cliper instead now. Web cliper as is can't be used, make everything in Firefox so slow. please fix that.


  14. This is false logic. Of course it's not about philanthropy! It's about listening to paying customers.

     

    You can't grow by alienating your core user base. You grow by being recommended by your user base — that's where the business is! Ditching a tried and tested interface for the sake of fashion is simply not good business.

    Precisely.

    I remeber Mr. Phill said in his conference, "we did not got rid of the old design, because quite frankly we were afraid to." And they should be.

    Loyal paying user base of evangelists that made this company is feeling that Mr.Phil is not listening to us, but purses his own strange vision. Steve Jobs he is not, whatever he may think of himself. And instead of hiding behind the wall of silence, it would be good business to listen to people who were the key component in the company's rapid growth by  evangelizing Evernote. I for one, would not be against "work chat",  except I feel it has been forced down our throats while there are thusands of people on this forum requesting, complaining if not begging for features that actually make Evernote improved. It is clear for what I understand that Mr.Phil's strategy is to continue to favor one platform over another, preach "elegant minimalistic" UI design, ignore the user requests, not only by not replaying and favoritism but also by not even showing they care. The company policy on how to treat it's customers, payed of not is quite frankly appalling. From "comments disabled" on it's youtube channel to ignoring Forum users as much as it is possible, not reveling any time frame of it's development while at the same time trying to sell us wallets and thermo bottles directly from the app. Or when they make ads and blog posts of the new features, (Mac only) that gets conveniently not mention every time. It's funny how work chat got updated on all platforms but the features we asked for over and over and over again have not. And when there is an updated it's in most cases first Mac. But the paying premium users such as myself have not been offered a chance to pay for the service we are getting, instead we are being charged the same but with less features. And there is no explanation why or any accountability from the company. Just wall of silence. That is what I call appalling.

    Regarding the Web UI. I will try once again, but it will fall on deaf ears I'm sure. There isn't much that have not been said in this thread already. Lack of features that were always there, not an easy intuitive way to go back to old UI, too much white space, that looks like way too much white space on a large monitors, since the UI doesn't scale. It's almost 2015. that should be unacceptable. Overall, the vision of minimalistc design is not bad per se, but it should never be an only option, but an option that is seemless integrated in the standard fully functional UI.

     

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  15. Hi all,

    We pushed an update to the Beta version that we now consider release candidate. Please re-install it and give it a go and try to break it. 

    As always we appreciate detailed reports of issues with info like:

    - FF version, OS version

    - Page where the issue was observed

    - Detailed steps on how to reproduce it

     

     

    Unless I'm missing something, how can it be considered release candidate when it's little more than clearly. still missing, pretty much all the functionality of Chrome. As you wrote yourself.

     

    Not expected to work in this version:

     

    - Post clip dialog

    - Native clipping component 

    - Sharing 

    - Selection clipping not implemented

    - Smart filing

    - Keyboard shortcuts

    - Related notes on Google & other search engines 

     

    When can we expect the same functionality as the one in Chrome?


  16. If you want to automate it a bit, and you have some Excel skills:

    1. Go to all notes in list view, select a note and then hit CTRL-A to select all the notes
    2. Hit CTRL-C to copy all the note information in the columns
    3. Open Excel
    4. Paste, match destination formatting
    5. Sort by title
    6. You now have all of the note list information in Excel and you can write a title compare calculation to quickly find the dups.
    7. Copy/paste the title from Excel to EN search bar if you want to fix

    Fairly quick and painless process if you feel compelled to remove the dups, FWIW.

    I tried that but seem so far that jbenson2 suggestion of deleting them manually after sorting them by title seems to work the best. Luckily as I record them with web cliper usually there are some images that show up when viewing notes as snipets. So its easier to spot the duplicates based on the thumbnails. Thanks for the suggestion though. :) 

     


  17. Sort by the "Title" and view the notes as you scroll downwards.

    If that is too many, then narrow the results by searching for a key word you think might be a duplicate.

     

    I have over 30,000 notes with very few duplicates. I doubt that Evernote would add a deduplication feature. A duplicate note is not much of a problem for most users. When they come across a duplicate, they just delete it. 

    Thanks. That seems to be the best solution so far. Having some automated feature or warning would be nice, but I guess for now it will have to do. :)

    Would you like to see such a feature?

     

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