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Torben Ibsen

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  1. Well, I am obviously wasting your time. But that is not the same as wasting everybody's time. There might be other readers who can understand this. So I will allow myself to hope that somebody other than you might give an issue like this some thought. These matters can be quite interesting. I also optimistically trust that some of those readers will figure out by themselves what the intended purpose is for a field labelled "Created Date". It should be possible without reading the Evernote design documents. - So I rest my case here. May the data in your Creation Date field never be overwritten by Evernote if you export and import notes at a later point in your life. (You do not have to explain what actually happens. Who cares, as you might have put it yourself.)
  2. I am not attacking either Evernote or happy Evernote users. I am a very happy Evernote Premium user myself. And I have been for years. What I am trying to point out is something else: Why do you change the date information and what do you do about the information which was previously stored in the date field? - That is the question. - Each data field should tell one story and one story only. The "Date Created" field is intended to show the date when a particular note was in fact created. And the "Last Modified Date" field is intended to show when a particular note was in fact last modified. When you change the content of the "Date Created" field then you have decided to use the field for some other purpose end stated in the field name. And of course you can do that if you for some reason want to do so. But then the data contained in the field no longer shows the date when the note was created. It shows something else. And then you have lost the information telling you when the note was created. If you change the content of the "Date Created" field for only a portion of your notes then you have no information at all in the field. Because in that case you need some other information to tell you what the data in the "Date Created" field actually means in a particular note. The field name then has become meaningless. At least from the computers point of view. You, yourself might be able to determine the meaning of the content. But you can only do that by applying some knowledge which the computer/data field does not have. Now, I would like to keep the information about "Date Created" and "Date Modified" for each of my notes. And I would like to record a date which is neither the "Date Created" nor the "Date Modified". It is another date which is relevant to me and the way I use notes or relevant to the content of the actual note. To do so requires three separate date fields. Because the "relevant date" may not be exactly the day I created the note. I might be a week behind with my recording of data. Or a year behind. And the "Date Modified" data cannot describe the "relevant date" either. Because, If I later edit the note, then the previous content of the "Date Modified" field will disappear. - So storing three dates can't be done with just two fields. And that is why I would like to have an extra date field available in my notes.
  3. I did not intend to threat anyones personal freedom rights. And I have no intention of criticizing your "Evernote Guru" status. I am sure that you know almost all there is to know about Evernote. So please do not feel offended. But knowledge about all the possible mechanisms in Evernote or any other PROGRAM is not the same as knowing how to manage DATA. My recommendation about how to use or misuse data fields is based upon data management principles which have been in existence for 40-50 years. I myself have had the pleasure of working after these principles for over 30 years. - Have a look here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyce–Codd_normal_form or see any of the good explanations on YouTube. When the use of spreadsheet and personal database programs became possible on everyones computers many, many people started to create their own "databases". Most people made the terrible mistake of using a spreadsheet as a database. But even those who were smart enough to use a dedicated database program made terrible mistakes when creating their own personal tables. And mistakes when using a particular data field for more than one purpose became popular among the newbies But using at date field for more than one purpose is very, very high on the list over things you should never do (if you are going to use your data for any purpose later, I had better add!). Because it makes you loose data instead of storing proper data you can use later. Of course, Evernote is not a relational database to most users. Just like it is not for you, it appears. It is a smart place to store "everything". I do that myself. But the principles of relational databases should still be adhered to. It gives the user many benefits when you create notebooks and stacks if you are aware of how to do it right from a data point of view. Having been helping users for over 30 years with stuff like this I cannot in good conscience ignore when unknowing users are being given a terrible advice. And using a data field for more than one purpose is such a terrible advice. - You may think that a number of persons will disagree with me just like you do. And I'm sure that you are right. But on the other hand. Each and every IT professional who has ever worked for a living with relational databases within the last 40-50 years (or have just read a book about it) will agree with me. You can probably find some people who will insist on their personal right to think that 2+2 = 5. And of course they have the right to keep insisting on that. But most people who has actually learned math up to and including this level will know that it is wrong. For most people it is also obvious that those who think that 2+2 = 5 will get into trouble one day. This is not too far from the discussion about using normalization principles when you store data. It is just a little less obvious for most beginners in data management. Of course You are free to do with your Evernote data as you want. But when You use your "Guru" level to recommend something which is totally against basic data management principles, you should not be too upset when someone else raise a warning flag. So please reconsider your advise at a later time when you have become familiar with the database principles. I feel sure that knowing about these principles will also be helpfull for you at some point in time.
  4. The Date Created and Date Modified fields should only be used for their intended purpose. - You should not "redefine" or mix the information in those fields to get som other information into your Evernote note. It is against basic normalization rules for data. Because some times the "Date Created" really is the "Date Created" and sometimes it is an artificial "sorting date" if you use one of the suggestions here. But you cannot know later, if a particular date was intended to be "Date Created" or if it was intended to be a "sorting date". So all date information becomes meaningless in that field afterwards. The Topic creator is right. We miss an extra field for sorting and selection purposes. If you create or modify a note about a particular event from the past (say 2 years ago) you cannot use Date Created/Date Modified as selection criteria or sorting criteria. So an extra date field called "Sorting Date" or "Event Date" or "Selection Date" would be really nice to have. I have lots of old stuff waiting to get its proper place in my Evernote. Old stuff. And especially when you enter stuff where an old date is of interest you really need an extra date field.
  5. HI Evernote. I think that many of the problems your users (me included) experience are owed to the fact that you try to provide two different versions of Evernote for Mac. The one from your download site and one from Mac App Store. I have worked 37 years in the software and computer business and it is my experience that you are trying to do something which is impossible. It cannot work as long as your employees are humans. Only robots could manage this task without making errors. I have worked as an expert in parts of the worlds biggest business software product, SAP which is used by most major companies in the world. So I have a lot of experience in testing and version management between development systems, Quality Assurance systems and production systems. And in maintaining "the old version" and "the new version" during upgrade processes over longer time periods. It is a lost cause! You can only reach a higher, consistent quality level of your software if you stop trying to have to "current" versions of the software for Mac customers. Also, even if you managed to do the impossible, there is still little old me. I cannot always remember if my software is downloaded form App Store or from a vendors Web site. So even if you didn't mess up, I will!
  6. Panic cancelled! - My Evernote 6.0 now works as it is supposed to! I made a shut-down on my iMac. When I started and opened Evernote 6.0 everything works as it should. I have an iMac 2009 running newest Mavericks. And my Evernote 6.0 is downloaded from Mac App Store, not from Evernote's web account. I had the same problems as everybody else: Read-only notes, "Untitled" notes, seemingly disappearing data, slow response if any. So I started to look through my TimeMachine to find an old version of the app. When I installed Evernote 6.0 I let it do it's indexing thing. But I did not guess that a re-boot was required. I know that a re-boot comes naturally to Windows users but as a Mac user I am no longer used to perform this extra step. So now my wife is happy again! - I am still somewhat annoyed by this bad experience. It could easily have been avoided by Evernote. Either by actually testing this version of the software on regular users computers or by forcing a shutdown (after asking the user for permission, of course!). Sync to all my IOS devices (4) altso works as expected. I have been testing business software for 25 years. I know how a software vendor's offices look like and I know something about what can go wrong. It looks to me as if there has been a lot of testing of the new functionality and the design changes to the interface. It also looks as if some version management failure has occurred. The testing of the installation process has not been done on the version of software I downloaded on the hardware and operating system I use. Someone has been a little to quick to get the job done because of a deadline, I guess. And it should have been tested on my hardware/software. If the upgrade should only be used with Yosemite then the update should have been shown as incompatible software update in my Mac App Store. We all (can) learn from our errors. And this means that the Evernote people now ought to be the wisest guys and dolls in the software business! (Let us not forget the Penultimate folks here!) So please do not give us such a scare another time. And please make sure that you never, never change the titles on existing notes again. Now that I have used the Evernote 6.0 I must admit that it has become extremely fast. When searching it finds my notes really quickly and the synchronization is also very fast. Which is nice now I get to keep my note titles again! I am sure that I also are going to love the "history" function. Evernote makes a copy of my changed notes 4 times a day and I can get the old version back! Of course the interface takes some getting used to. But that is OK. I was warned about that. No complaint there. We'll all get used to it, love it and miss it terribly when they make the next major design change! Just like we always do.
  7. Same problem on my iMac 2009 with current Mavericks. I managed to turn off wi-fi on my two iPads and saved the notes that way. But sync is very fast, so the titles were gone "Untitled". And I can keep one of the iPads off line., thank God. But this is clearly a disaster. - The error spread from my iMac to the Web version to my IOS devices. How can stuff like this happen? Have Evernote stopped testing their software and installation processes? I can never trust an update from Evernote anymore. So I will have to find some other product which do not corrupt my data so completely. The deletion of my title data makes the app unusable. Because the title is where i place the keywords i want to use to find my data later!
  8. iMac 2009, latest Maverick, Evernote 6.0. I also have the "untitled" note problem. A am a Premium customer. But even if I were not, this is not OK, you folks at Evernote. Do you not make simple tests of the software anymore? Especially when the new version makes a conversion of the users database. It makes going back two days for my whole system very difficult. Just like the affair with Penultimate it seems as if your young and inexperienced team of programmers and testers do not realize that the customers actually USE the products and keep many important data in your products. It in unacceptable that the quality of your test is so low that the software immediately corrupts the customers data. - I wonder what it is you actually do with the time you label "test" on your time sheet. It is no small deal that the notes get "re-titled". Because the title is often the place where your customer writes the search keywords they use to find the notes again. Fix this and do not do it again if you want to keep paying customers. Right now I will not recommend anybody to use Evernote and it will take a looong time before I do it again. Trust is hard to gain, but can be lost in a second...
  9. I just installed Evernote 6.0 on my iMac running latest Maverick. I also noticed that Spotlight search did not find anything from my Evernotes. So I reindexed Spotlight. But it made no difference. My Evernote is downloaded from Mac App store.
  10. I am a paying Evernote customer. I was disappointed when Penultimate 6.0 was released. Not by the new app but by the way it was done. And I suggested that Evernote gave us the old version back. Evernote has now on their Blog recognized their error and are doing their best to correct the situation. So I am sure that all will be well soon. Thank you Evernote for your apology. Other software vendors might learn from that! I also have a few commends regarding the user reactions. First I would like to distinguish between paying customers and those who just use the programs without paying anything. If you do not pay then you should just accept what Evernote decides to do and say thank you too. Next, I already see performance and function related comments to the 6.0.1 version. But the critics do not bother to tell us about the equipment they use or the Operating System version. So all we get to know is that someone is annoyed with something. Not helpful comments. Some users have shared their surprise that the 6.0 upgrade could create such a mess in the first place. All those notes in the Penultimate Notebooks... Is it really the intention with Penultimate that the program should serve as an archive for a lot of notes? Should that not be the task of the Evernote App itself? Isn't Penultimate just intended as an interface to Evernote. An interface designed for making drawings rather than entering text? Perhaps users with large amounts of data in Penultimate should reconsider their work flow and their data storage and retrieval habits?
  11. The new Penultimate 6.0 could be renamed and rebranded as "JotUltimate" or some other smart name with a new filename in iTunes. Then Evernote could reintroduce the old and beloved Penultimate 5 version back in iTunes under its old name and filename. Everybody would be happy. Then Evernote can "upgrade" the new "JotUltimate" app as much as they like. And just keep the old version available. But thank you, Evernote, for teaching everybody a lesson or two: It is important to have a total backup before installing new important stuff. Never use the auto-update function in IOS. Never install a new X.0-version of an app before knowing what will happen. Always install from iTunes on a computer. After updates to your computers iTunes, you can find the old app-version file in the trash can. That way you can restore the old version of an app easily. An easy way to insure against this is to keep a copy of the *.ipa files from iTunes in a safe place on the harddisk. They are in iTunes/Mobile Applications on your computer. Just delete the newly downloaded version from iTunes and move the old version back in place. Evernote is not the only vendor who removes important functionality and calls it an upgrade. But it should be illegal to do so!
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