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Torben Ibsen

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  1. Well, I am obviously wasting your time. But that is not the same as wasting everybody's time. There might be other readers who can understand this. So I will allow myself to hope that somebody other than you might give an issue like this some thought. These matters can be quite interesting. I also optimistically trust that some of those readers will figure out by themselves what the intended purpose is for a field labelled "Created Date". It should be possible without reading the Evernote design documents. - So I rest my case here. May the data in your Creation Date field never be overwritten by Evernote if you export and import notes at a later point in your life. (You do not have to explain what actually happens. Who cares, as you might have put it yourself.)
  2. I am not attacking either Evernote or happy Evernote users. I am a very happy Evernote Premium user myself. And I have been for years. What I am trying to point out is something else: Why do you change the date information and what do you do about the information which was previously stored in the date field? - That is the question. - Each data field should tell one story and one story only. The "Date Created" field is intended to show the date when a particular note was in fact created. And the "Last Modified Date" field is intended to show when a particular note was in fact last modified. When you change the content of the "Date Created" field then you have decided to use the field for some other purpose end stated in the field name. And of course you can do that if you for some reason want to do so. But then the data contained in the field no longer shows the date when the note was created. It shows something else. And then you have lost the information telling you when the note was created. If you change the content of the "Date Created" field for only a portion of your notes then you have no information at all in the field. Because in that case you need some other information to tell you what the data in the "Date Created" field actually means in a particular note. The field name then has become meaningless. At least from the computers point of view. You, yourself might be able to determine the meaning of the content. But you can only do that by applying some knowledge which the computer/data field does not have. Now, I would like to keep the information about "Date Created" and "Date Modified" for each of my notes. And I would like to record a date which is neither the "Date Created" nor the "Date Modified". It is another date which is relevant to me and the way I use notes or relevant to the content of the actual note. To do so requires three separate date fields. Because the "relevant date" may not be exactly the day I created the note. I might be a week behind with my recording of data. Or a year behind. And the "Date Modified" data cannot describe the "relevant date" either. Because, If I later edit the note, then the previous content of the "Date Modified" field will disappear. - So storing three dates can't be done with just two fields. And that is why I would like to have an extra date field available in my notes.
  3. I did not intend to threat anyones personal freedom rights. And I have no intention of criticizing your "Evernote Guru" status. I am sure that you know almost all there is to know about Evernote. So please do not feel offended. But knowledge about all the possible mechanisms in Evernote or any other PROGRAM is not the same as knowing how to manage DATA. My recommendation about how to use or misuse data fields is based upon data management principles which have been in existence for 40-50 years. I myself have had the pleasure of working after these principles for over 30 years. - Have a look here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyce–Codd_normal_form or see any of the good explanations on YouTube. When the use of spreadsheet and personal database programs became possible on everyones computers many, many people started to create their own "databases". Most people made the terrible mistake of using a spreadsheet as a database. But even those who were smart enough to use a dedicated database program made terrible mistakes when creating their own personal tables. And mistakes when using a particular data field for more than one purpose became popular among the newbies But using at date field for more than one purpose is very, very high on the list over things you should never do (if you are going to use your data for any purpose later, I had better add!). Because it makes you loose data instead of storing proper data you can use later. Of course, Evernote is not a relational database to most users. Just like it is not for you, it appears. It is a smart place to store "everything". I do that myself. But the principles of relational databases should still be adhered to. It gives the user many benefits when you create notebooks and stacks if you are aware of how to do it right from a data point of view. Having been helping users for over 30 years with stuff like this I cannot in good conscience ignore when unknowing users are being given a terrible advice. And using a data field for more than one purpose is such a terrible advice. - You may think that a number of persons will disagree with me just like you do. And I'm sure that you are right. But on the other hand. Each and every IT professional who has ever worked for a living with relational databases within the last 40-50 years (or have just read a book about it) will agree with me. You can probably find some people who will insist on their personal right to think that 2+2 = 5. And of course they have the right to keep insisting on that. But most people who has actually learned math up to and including this level will know that it is wrong. For most people it is also obvious that those who think that 2+2 = 5 will get into trouble one day. This is not too far from the discussion about using normalization principles when you store data. It is just a little less obvious for most beginners in data management. Of course You are free to do with your Evernote data as you want. But when You use your "Guru" level to recommend something which is totally against basic data management principles, you should not be too upset when someone else raise a warning flag. So please reconsider your advise at a later time when you have become familiar with the database principles. I feel sure that knowing about these principles will also be helpfull for you at some point in time.
  4. The Date Created and Date Modified fields should only be used for their intended purpose. - You should not "redefine" or mix the information in those fields to get som other information into your Evernote note. It is against basic normalization rules for data. Because some times the "Date Created" really is the "Date Created" and sometimes it is an artificial "sorting date" if you use one of the suggestions here. But you cannot know later, if a particular date was intended to be "Date Created" or if it was intended to be a "sorting date". So all date information becomes meaningless in that field afterwards. The Topic creator is right. We miss an extra field for sorting and selection purposes. If you create or modify a note about a particular event from the past (say 2 years ago) you cannot use Date Created/Date Modified as selection criteria or sorting criteria. So an extra date field called "Sorting Date" or "Event Date" or "Selection Date" would be really nice to have. I have lots of old stuff waiting to get its proper place in my Evernote. Old stuff. And especially when you enter stuff where an old date is of interest you really need an extra date field.
  5. I just installed Evernote 6.0 on my iMac running latest Maverick. I also noticed that Spotlight search did not find anything from my Evernotes. So I reindexed Spotlight. But it made no difference. My Evernote is downloaded from Mac App store.
  6. I am a paying Evernote customer. I was disappointed when Penultimate 6.0 was released. Not by the new app but by the way it was done. And I suggested that Evernote gave us the old version back. Evernote has now on their Blog recognized their error and are doing their best to correct the situation. So I am sure that all will be well soon. Thank you Evernote for your apology. Other software vendors might learn from that! I also have a few commends regarding the user reactions. First I would like to distinguish between paying customers and those who just use the programs without paying anything. If you do not pay then you should just accept what Evernote decides to do and say thank you too. Next, I already see performance and function related comments to the 6.0.1 version. But the critics do not bother to tell us about the equipment they use or the Operating System version. So all we get to know is that someone is annoyed with something. Not helpful comments. Some users have shared their surprise that the 6.0 upgrade could create such a mess in the first place. All those notes in the Penultimate Notebooks... Is it really the intention with Penultimate that the program should serve as an archive for a lot of notes? Should that not be the task of the Evernote App itself? Isn't Penultimate just intended as an interface to Evernote. An interface designed for making drawings rather than entering text? Perhaps users with large amounts of data in Penultimate should reconsider their work flow and their data storage and retrieval habits?
  7. The new Penultimate 6.0 could be renamed and rebranded as "JotUltimate" or some other smart name with a new filename in iTunes. Then Evernote could reintroduce the old and beloved Penultimate 5 version back in iTunes under its old name and filename. Everybody would be happy. Then Evernote can "upgrade" the new "JotUltimate" app as much as they like. And just keep the old version available. But thank you, Evernote, for teaching everybody a lesson or two: It is important to have a total backup before installing new important stuff. Never use the auto-update function in IOS. Never install a new X.0-version of an app before knowing what will happen. Always install from iTunes on a computer. After updates to your computers iTunes, you can find the old app-version file in the trash can. That way you can restore the old version of an app easily. An easy way to insure against this is to keep a copy of the *.ipa files from iTunes in a safe place on the harddisk. They are in iTunes/Mobile Applications on your computer. Just delete the newly downloaded version from iTunes and move the old version back in place. Evernote is not the only vendor who removes important functionality and calls it an upgrade. But it should be illegal to do so!
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