David Navigator

42 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Evernote isn't going to randomly leap in and delete files -

Of course, but it only takes a small programming bug to call the API to delete the file, rather than just deleting the link. I've seen if happen before.

To me it's disappointing that EN make such a fuss over a feature that (currently) doesn't really do much (and has the potential to be a game changer).
I think I'll bide my time until the Google Drive integration offers more than just a prettier link.

5 minutes ago, agsteele said:

Linking to Drive allows you to connect external Drive resources to a note. For example, you have created a spreadsheet in Drive. You can make a direct link to the spreadsheet from within the note as you work on it.

But how does that differ to just copying and pasting the URL directly from my browser ? I was expecting some enhanced functionality such as the linked google doc being searchable, a summary of its contents, an embedded directly editable version or some such enhancement.

To be honest if that's all it does, then the risk of giving EN full access (including delete) to my Google drive doesn't seem worth the benefit. Am I misunderstanding  something ?

What does the "link to Google drive" offer over not linking to Google drive ?

Is it simply the insert dialog or are embedded Google drive linked docs searchable like an embedded pdf ?

Can't quite see the advantage of linking Evernote and Google if all it means is I can select a file from google drive rather than simply just pasting the existing URL.

Cheers

David

Have raised with support as the upgrade system tells me I can upgrade from Premium to Premium !!

22 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

BTW, when I read how you are writing, it sounds as if you use Teams all by yourself. Teams is designed to be used in a group of users. To make sense this group needs to have at least 3 users, working together in an organized, stable manner.

No, there are four of us in the Team, most of the notes are personal, but we do have about 200 which we share.  

18 minutes ago, gazumped said:

 New 'Personal' and 'Professional' subscription levels still exist,  but as far as I know are not required for Teams users.  

That's what I thought, but a couple of things I just tried (such as adding a calendar widget to the home page) brings up this dialog

and visiting web page indicates I need to pay GBP 5.99 a month to upgrade by premium account to a Personal account.

BTW I am the administrator, so I suppose I'll need to contact support directly.

I used to have EN business, now I seem to be Teams for my work EN & Premium for my personal EN. But Premium seems to be anything but and I keep being told to upgrade to Personal. Is this right ? I thought a teams subscription gave me access to everything on my personal EN ?
In my vocabulary personal is less featured than premium - is EN different ?

David

Is there anyway to change Font Sizes in EN 10 ?
I'm getting a lot less info on the screen, mainly due to the Note Title being drawn in a huge font compared to EN 6, but also the list of notes - in EN 6 displays 9, but in EN 10 only 7.

In EN 6, my screen layout is thus

In EN 10 it's thus

Why does EN need delete permission from Google ? It's not the default option for an app, it's an additional permission that the EN developers are requesting.
I can't think of any circumstances where I'd want EN to delete data from Google. Are there some valid reasons or is it just IMHO poor permission management ?

David

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There isn't a cloud service where we can say with certainty that it will be around tomorrow

Absolutely, but all of the ones that I use such for storing critical data such as Google Docs, YouTube, Vimeo, Google Photos, Flickr allow me to "backup" my data to my local machine in a way that I can access that data completely and accurately without any internet connection.
Whether that's because, they've gone bust, a digger has cut through the fibre in my street or simply that I haven't paid my phone bill, I should still be able to read my data.

Unless I'm mistaken EN doesn't allow this. I don't seem to be able to read exb or enex files without an active connection to Evernote (please correct me if I'm wrong) and the HTML backups seem to bare little resemblance to the original note.

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 I'd recommend one of the many alternatives

After 13 (paid) years with EN I'm too far in to start changing, but until recently I always assumed that my EN data was as secure as the rest of my data - being backed up along with my other critical data. V10 (originally) keeping the data only online stopped me from upgrading, but now it seems that even legacy won't let me read my data without an internet connection.

6 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Pretty predictable business case.

But why worry about real risks in life when you can imagine some ?

You're missing the point. Unless you're sat in the boardroom you can't know everything that is going on. 
There are many ways that Evernote could fail to be online for a period of time. We simply want to make sure that if that did happen, that we could still access our data.
At the moment it seems that's not possible. 

12 minutes ago, gazumped said:

It can be hard to be perfect I know,  but they don't drop service very often...

I don't expect perfection or even a 100% uptime, but I do expect a way to use a local copy of my data in the event that the servers aren't contactable. From what I understand, that's not automatic ?

1 hour ago, David Navigator said:

Even if it wasn't due to financial issues, the "impossible" sometimes happens 

Seem like only earlier today some users were unable to access Evernote due, it seems, to an expired certificate. 
That doesn't give me confidence if something so simple can be overlooked !!

9 minutes ago, agsteele said:

I don't claim inside knowledge, just said that my view is that Evernote doesn't look likely to fold.

 

Even if it wasn't due to financial issues, the "impossible" sometimes happens 

https://www.techspot.com/news/92822-japanese-university-loses-77tb-research-data-following-buggy.html

20 hours ago, agsteele said:

My personal view is that Evernote is not likely to collapse

There are many firms that everyone thought were secure, that went bust. Unless you're on the board of Evernote I doubt you have more internal financial info available to you than I do ?

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I can afford a routine export/save/backup process

Can you expand on this please. I though there wasn't a way to export all my notes either via a single mouse click (poor 'cos I have to remember) or via an automated process. If I've misunderstood I'd be grateful if you could point me to a solution. Doesn't need to be free, just robust & reliable.
 

11 minutes ago, Jon/t said:

The local copy seems to be just for offline use.... there's no option to have things local only as in not in the EN cloud.

I don't mind my data being on the cloud as long as there is a full copy which is usable on my machine. If Evernote went bust, I want to be 100% certain that all my data is accessible.

I've been holding off upgrading from the legacy version as last time I looked, the current release was not really of a high enough standard.

Since then I've kept away from the forums, but now I wonder if it's time to upgrade ?

The things that were missing from V10 that stopped me previously were

1. No import folder (I believe that this has now been fixed)?
2. No easy way to quickly switch between my personal evernotes and my business ones. I don't mind two logins, but I need to be able to switch between the active one quickly as I do this many times a day.
3. No way to keep the full database locally either as the live database or as an automatic backup. I don't trust EN sufficiently to not have a local copy of all my data.

Is it time for me to upgrade or am I still unwise to do so ?

David

1 hour ago, ehrt74 said:

On the desktop you can use the legacy version until v. 10 has the features you need. The app is not going backwards, it's just staying the same until you move to v.10.

If I also want to use the Android app, then I need to split my business & personal accounts in two ( something I don't have a problem with) but there's no way to easily switch between which account I'm using (something I do 100's of times a day). I believe I have to log out and then log back in again using the other credentials. This is a show stopper for me from a productivity POV.

24 minutes ago, ehrt74 said:

The android version and the web version are already so much better than the old apps.

But the desktop version is much worse and is missing critical features that lower productivity. As a paying customer I don't expect apps to go backwards.

On 3/11/2021 at 5:32 AM, ehrt74 said:

I think it's very cool to see the rate of improvements and new features

Are you a Bot or EN employee ? I'd have thought getting the existing features into the rewrite was more important than adding new features. EN is getting less and less productive so unless V10 improves significantly I'll be moving my business to something else.

Thanks. It is my business, but the business side is shared with all my employees. 
Having a quick look through the business notes, it looks like 90% of them are output only e.g company procedures, so could easily be moved to dropbox or something like google docs, which would be a good saving too. I don't think any of my employees get on with Evernote in a personal capacity, so all this will do is cut Evernote's income.

I've just tried to access EN on my Android device and it tells me I have to split my account in to business & personal.

How does this work if I want to keep the legacy version on my Windows computer which I believe I need to to get the features I need listed below ?
Will I only be able to log in to either Personal or Business at once (in the legacy app), I literally switch between personal & business notes 100's of times a day ?

How do things like the Auto import folder work - do I now have two - one for business notes & one for personal notes ?

The really important features that I must have (and which I believe some are stopping me moving to V10 on my Windows desktop)
1. Quick way to switch between viewing Personal & Business notes
2. Import folder for scanned documents.
3. Documents incoming via Email.
4. Stacks of Notebooks
5. Notes by photo on Android device i.e OCR scanning of photos.
6. Persistent access to ALL notes on my Windows machine when there is no internet connection.
7. A "forget it's happening" method to backup all notes elsewhere at least once a day. i.e no user interaction is required.

I can do all the above with the legacy app - has the new version caught up yet or is it still a "beta" and if I move my Android app to V10, will I lose any of the above features in the legacy version on my Windows machine  ?

Cheers

David - happy EN user for more years than I can recall (that is until V10 came along)