justacat

2 hours ago, CalS said:

27k out of 58k notes had a PDF.  Maybe not most but a bunch.  😊

I haven't had any PDF problems so far, but I'd still be interested to know the details of your solution just in case, without having to search through every one of your comments! Could you post a link?

So I did some more digging. I found that the same notes that didn't appear in my intitle search using this specific search term also didn't appear when I did an intitle search using *any* term in the title of those notes. They do appear in the results when I do a full-text search for any of those terms (i.e., just put the term in the search box without any search syntax).

So just out of curiosity, I tried a different type of search, a basic date searches - "created:20240101" - on ipad, android, windows laptop, and web, for notes created on or after 1/1/2024. I got three different numbers from the four platforms: ipad-177; android-194; laptop-197; web-194

The four additional notes on the windows laptop turned out to be from from four notes created years ago in legacy, probably in 2012 or so, with creation dates before 1997. Why they are appearing in this search I have no idea. This is another baffling bug. But putting those aside, windows, android, and web essentially gave the same number of results, while the ipad app, for some reason, failed to return 20 notes from this time period. So it's not just intitle that's the problem. However, as best I can tell, the  notes that didn''t appear in the intitle search were the same ones that didn't appear in the created search - and again, all these notes do come up in any full-text search without advanced syntax.

I wanted to do the same search for other time periods, but I couldn't figure out how to get an actual note count instead of just "1000+" in my search results. So I broke it down by year and used eg "created:20230101 -created:20240101." The iPad app again failed to return many notes with creation dates last year, in the period 1/1/2023-12/31/2024 (android and web:707; windows laptop:708; ipad:679). But for the 5 years I tested before that (going back to 2019), the iPad app was accurate - the number of results exactly matched the others.

So for some reason the iPad app, when searching, is simply ignoring or not properly recognizing some notes created recently - but only when using certain search syntax. There is no problem with notes created more than a year or so ago.

I have absolutely no idea what to make of this or what to do about it. I can tolerate a lot of inconveniences or things I don't like about v.10, but not being able to rely on search results is a tough one.

Just now, Boot17 said:

@justacat Are you enclosing the search terms in quotes following "intitle" -- or is it just a one word search term you are looking for?

In this case it is a single word - a name, so a capitalized proper noun. It should not need quotes. But I did try enclosing it in quotes. I also tried with the first letter capitalized (which should not be necessary). Made no difference.

I am searching for notes using "intitle" (which I've always done). Searching on Android and Windows gives me a complete list of results. Searching on iPad, my results list does not include 3-4 recent notes that have the search term in the title. The notes are there in the ipad app - it's not a matter of not syncing. They're just not coming up in the search results. I've tried manually syncing, quitting and restarting the app - nothing. These notes appear if I use the search term without "intitle."

This is extremely troubling, as titles (as opposed to tags etc) are my primary method of identifying and finding notes, so I use intitle all the time. If I can't trust the search results it's a problem for me. I just don't understand why the iPad app would produce different results from the same search, since the search obviously isn't being conducted locally.

Has anyone else noticed something like this? Could I be doing something wrong?

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

V10 in general leaves more space between rows of text or information. That’s a general concept from the beginning, and it got more visible with the last UI change.

Personally I like the design, it is easier on the eyes and to work with. When I still had legacy installed (long ago), it always felt cramped when I had a reason to switch back to it.

I have to say, you are the only person I've heard express this opinion. I mostly hear universal disdain for the unnecessary amounts of padding and white space.

But even granting that some users do actually like it this way, there should at least be the option of a more compressed view. On a small device, like an iPad mini, it is a significant drawback if you want to, for example, be able to see as many search results as possible. Scrolling is an inconvenience, adding time and also mentally more difficult as you don't have everything in front of you.

I have already submitted feedback on this point though, and perhaps someone will read it. Right now I'm more interested in what jpaz has done to "partially solve" the problem

2 hours ago, jpaz said:

Getting this thread back to topic.

Here is my experience after about a month use of the new version. Still not feeling home as in Legacy, but feeling more homely than before. No problem in moving to new version. Only strange thing: the android version is not reproducing faithfully all the embedded tags of Windows version.

What I am linking the most in new version: collapsible headers

Thanks for this interesting post. Can you tell me about collapsible headers? I haven't discovered them yet.

Also, how are the View zoom settings partially solving the problem - one of the things I hate most about v.10 - of too much padding? I can't figure out how to get more notes in the note list. The font gets smaller but the number of notes doesn't change. I was able to see twice as many in legacy.

I also have had a few problems with the Android version - eg occasional failure to sync.

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

How are the settings on your Samsung regarding network and data allowances ?

The easiest explanation would be it only allows EN to sync through WiFi - and it may have lost that connection.

I do have it set set to permit Evernote to sync regardless of whether I'm connected to wireless. Evernote is too important for me to limit it in any way!

1 hour ago, VincentC said:

My conclusion: Evernote performance varies wildly depending on your particular device.  It has gotten much better overall, but it's still slow on older devices, at least for me.

This is somewhat troubling. But I'm on a Galaxy S22, which is not an old device, so I can't blame that for my sync issue.

I don't mind having to initiate sync - if it works quickly. But I thought one of the whole points of v.10 was instantaneous sync and *not* having to do that.

1 minute ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

@justacat , the introduction of the "boxed" HTML content from Web clips was a fairly early change in v. 10 from previous versions. As @PinkElephant says, it was much discussed and debated at the time. Since then, we early, mid-, and fairly late adopters have adjusted to it, and some even find it handy to retain the appearance of the original Web page, while either duplicating it or copying material out of the box and editing as needed. As with quite a few other changes, last-minute adopters are getting the full waterfall at once rather than the relatively gentle showers the rest of us have been standing under. I think Evernote is still very flexible and adaptable to different purposes, but "user friendly" only comes with experience. My 2¢.

My third cent: since you do lots of Web clipping, have you tried the new Multi-Select option? There's about a 3-minute learning curve, but as you hover the mouse around the screen you'll see it pick out smaller and larger segments and let you build them into just the material you want to clip. Still in the box, but way better than having a whole page of which you only want parts--and then editing out the unwanted bits.

For me the killer new feature has been backlinks. They really help me connect notes. Often I'll intentionally click on a note other than the one I want just because it's in front of me on the screen and I know it has a backlink to the note I'm really after. Worth trying it out, if it could be useful for you.

*Thank you* for this!! It is so much more helpful than the vast majority of responses I've seen. There is a body of late adopters, and for us, or me at least, it is a waterfall of changes that feel uncomfortable and like they make everything more difficult, with no easy way to pick up on features that may either help me adapt or make me actually like v.10. I don't have time to go back through years of forum posts, and there's no "v.10 quick-start for late adopters"! So I really appreciate you making an effort to help!

Thr multi-select option does sound useful. Is it n the (desktop) clipper? This is a  browser extension right? I can't even remember I've been using the same one for so long! I am still using the legacy one, which works fine for v.10, but if the new one has some good features maybe it's time to make that change.

I keep seeing references to backlinks, but I have to admit I don't know what they are.

9 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

I think I've seen 1 or 2 other reports of a sync issue like this (unless they were also from you, sorry). It is mysterious. Clearly the notes were getting synced up from the Windows desktop to Evernote's servers, but not down to the Android device. The fact that they appeared after you opened Evernote on a Windows laptop might be a coincidence, and some connectivity issue between the Android device and Evernote got resolved at the same time. Definitely not what's expected. (What does seem to be expected is that when I open the Android app after notes have been edited elsewhere it will flash annoyingly for a few seconds while it updates them, but at least I know they're synced.)

No, not from me,this is the first time I've noticed this. The flashing annoyingly I have noticed,and it's a truly annoying and disconcerting way of accomplishing what needs to be done. I didn't even realize what was happening til you said. Open Evernote, click on notes, notes appear, then it flashes back to home screen. Rinse, repeat sometimes a few times. Same on ipad. Surely there's a more graceful way to accomplish this.

But the ailire to sync at all is a different problem. I'll have to pay careful atrention to see if it happens again.

But there’s something more to this, because v.10 is also putting *new* web clips in these html content boxes, not just converted html notes. Legacy did not do this. If I wanted to add a comment in the middle of a clipped page, or highlight a term in forwarded email with html content, or delete an unwanted image in a clipped article, I could do that in all versions of legacy that I ever used, *without* eliminating all the html formatting. I can’t touch anything inside the html content boxes in v.10. This, for me at least, is a big change. It’s not just to keep the original note content from legacy notes  “immutable” - which makes no sense anyway, as notes by their nature should be editable, not immutable. It’s a change to the way html notes are handled, unless I’m missing something. Why should *all* html formatting be stripped in order to make a single edit to one portion of a clipped page? This isn’t necessary, as evident from legacy. And it isn’t really in the spirit of Evernote.

I mean, I’ll live with it, because I have no choice, and I can find ways to work around it. But why do i have to? Why do I keep finding ways in which Evernote has become less flexible, less user-friendly, less of thr things that made it so broadly adaptable and all-purpose? Other than uniformity among platforms, I’m desperately searching for *any* way in which I can say v.10 is an improvement, lets me do something useful I couldn’t do before, makes something easier or quicker, offers some useful new functionality. I really would like to discover some, rather than yet another unpleasant surprise! Right now all I’m doing is trying to find workarounds for and adapt to the many things that v.10 makes more difficult or time-consuming, or prevents me from doing entirely.

No, forwarded emails with html content are also in these containers. It’s very problematic if you do a lot of web clipping and email forwarding. I’ve been trying hard not to be one of the people complaining constantly about everything to do with v.10, but it’s difficult when every discovery I’m making as I continue to use it and learn more about it is negative. 
 

Edited to add: a note that included a web clip, or a forwarded email with html content, is placed *entirely* in the html container, including any text comment added to the beginning of the note after it was added to Evernote legacy after clipping or forwarding. So you can’t even edit your comments that were totally outside the html content,

This morning when I opened my Android app it was not synced - new notes added on *Tuesday* night on windows desktop Evernote were not there. Opening and closing the app, attempting to refresh, etc, did nothing. Meanwhile my iPad app was correctly synced and the notes showed there. I opened Evernote on windows laptop to double check the syncing there (the notes were there, as expected),  and immediately after that the Android app synced and the notes appeared.

I don’t understand this, and it is very troubling. Has anyone else experienced it? I only switched to v.10 on Android at the last moment, and I find myself increasingly mistrustful of it - eg search results I know are incomplete, especially using “intitle.” I hate feeling like I can’t rely on it, and this experience adds to that.

I can open attachments and see shortcuts, but my Android app was not synced. It remained unsynced, with newer notes not appearing, until I opened Evernote on laptop! Meanwhile Evernote on iPad was correctly synced. This is a little troubling I have to admit.

1 hour ago, mackid1993 said:

When it's a personal attack it sounds like an attack.

That was not a personal attack by any measure. The bizarre and biased defense of the one user in these forums most guilty of rudeness and personal attacks is so maddening and off-putting, and it never, ever changes.

Hyperbolic statements aside, there is simply no denying that certain tasks that were quick and effortless in legacy require many more clicks and annoyingly more time in v.10. Take, for example, changing a note creation date. Such an unpleasant experience now. Or simply changing a note's notebook. Not to mention the extra time required just for scrolling, because of all the extra padding. Those are just a few examples, but it's everywhere. There may be efficiencies in v.10 compared to legacy, but I haven't found them.

I don't use Evernote for work/productivity. I use it as a digital file cabinet/remember everything repository. V.10 still functions for that purpose, and better than any alternatives. It's just a lot clunkier and less pleasant to use, for me at least.

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

There are reasons why every import should be delayed by a few seconds. These are explained in other treads, so I won’t repeat them here. It has nothing to do with one app being speedier, it’s no import race.

You just messed up your install of the Import Folder, by connecting the same folder twice.

Good you found the reason.

OMG, why are you chiming in here, with nothing at all useful to add???? Why?

I have read all those threads about delaying import, in my effort to find a solution to my problem. All I can say is, while I don't claim that legacy was perfect or flawless, I never once had an issue with importing from my import folder, or from direct scanning. Those things just worked, efficiently and well, without fuss or workarounds. So whatever speed or delay Legacy used for importing from the import folder (and from scanning) was clearly an effective and correct one. And as best I can tell, import from the import folder works fine from v.10 too. So the issue of delay is simply not really relevant here (as it is in the case of scanning), except insofar as it clearly *does* take v.10 a little longer than it took Legacy to import from the import folder, and that's how I became aware of my issue.

I didn't "mess up" my install of anything. I very purposely connected the same folder I'd had as my Legacy import folder as my v.10 import folder (the import folder field was empty when I installed v. 10). I did this because it did not occur to me, though it probably should have, that Legacy would continue to import after it was no longer connected to the internet. And if it had occurred to me, I would have assumed that the fact that Legacy was importing from that folder would have been IRRELEVANT to v.10 and would not have prevent v.10 from using that folder. BS has proclaimed so loudly that Legacy is dead and gone and defunct, which means v.10 should be totally blind to the existence of old versions that use the old system and database and should not care at all what they are doing, since there is no longer any possibility of conflict. It would be completely reasonable for me to assume that V.10 could use that folder as an import folder without regard to whether my locally operating Legacy version is also still using it - because it's true.

But it wasn't true when Legacy was still operational, last week. Clearly whatever safeguards were in place then to prevent duplication have not been changed - and also clearly, Legacy imports from the folder more quickly than v.10, as a general rule. Which is why the files were not importing to my currently operating version of Evernote, v.10.

The problem is now solved. The folder I am using is now not one from which Legacy imports, so v.10 can take all the time it needs (not long - but longer than legacy) to import the files, and it is doing so without issue.

I am sure I will get used to the second or two extra time it takes, and just add it to the extra seconds and multiple extra steps it now takes me to do many things in Evernote - starting with the seconds it takes to scroll just to see my notes. It's frustrating, since this isn't just a matter of adapting to something different, which always takes time, but of unavoidable additional time from actual inefficiencies that have been introduced, but that's the way it is, and as long as the basic Evernote functionality (that I need) remains, I am sticking with it.

Actually I think I did figure it out! I still have Legacy installed, firewalled from the internet. It obviously doesn't sync, but I'm keeping it as a backup in case I need to check an older note at some point in the future that hasn't yet been converted to v.10 - and also as reassurance (and also to torture myself, since it reminds me every time I see it how much I preferred that UI!). I was using the same "Add to Evernote" folder for v.10 that I had been for Legacy, though I'd cleared it out. But it turns out that though Legacy is firewalled, it is still operating as a local app, so when I added a file to the folder, it was importing to Legacy! Legacy is much speedier with importing than v.10, so it beat out v.10 in the import 90% of the time, and once that happened, the note was considered imported by Evernote Prime - even though it actually wasn't now that Legacy is no longer connected to servers.

Anyway, once I set up a new Add to Evernote folder in a different location, the import to v.10 resumed working correctly.

I know there are others who have retained Legacy locally as I have, so this could possibly be helpful if anyone encounters the same issue!

I'm attempting to gracefully accept using v.10 on windows, with the death of legacy. It isn't easy.

My most recent issue is that pdf files I'm saving into my import folder are not importing. These are files that I am printing to pdf from a web page, and they are correctly saving and appearing in the Add to Evernote folder, which I have correctly set up in Evernote settings, but they are not appearing in my Evernote notes.  Does anyone have suggestions or ideas? I've searched but haven't found anything about this issue.

If I transfer the files out of Add to Evernote to another directory and then move them back in, sometimes one or two of them will import to Evernote, but sometimes not - it's random.

15 minutes ago, TdeV said:

I then copied those Legacy data files to a Win 7 computer. Also on the Win 7 computer I installed Evernote_6.25.3.9348.exe which installed Evernote Legacy and opened those data files. Which are still running now on the old computer.

So when you installed legacy on the Win 7 computer, that computer was connected to the Internet and you logged in? If not, how did you get Legacy to open? Even unconnected to the internet, it requires you to be logged in in order to open so you can see your local database notes.

I had a strange issue the other day where a pdf attachment to one note appeared in another note - one that also had a pdf attachment, so the second note then had two pdf documents. I was working in Legacy, a few days before cutoff. The pdf attachment remained in the original note, but it was also inserted into a note in which it did not belong. I hope it was just a sync-between-versions glitch, since I was working with both notes at the time.

2 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

You still need a client that is logged in for offline access. It doesn't need an active server connection, but it must have been logged in before server connection was lost.

Okay, you keep telling me this, and *I understand* so you don't have to repeat it. But once again, TdeV said: "The upgrade wanted to sync with the mother ship, but I did not provide a password to Evernote. It re-asked half dozen times." I would just like to know what he meant by it.

Yes, I know, I've heard this ad nauseum. But tdeV said he installed/upgraded legacy on a machine that was not connected to the internet. I was asking how, on the chance that *maybe* there's something I, and you, don't know.

On 3/15/2024 at 7:54 PM, TdeV said:

Evernote_6.25.3.9348.exe installs Evernote Legacy.

Before you run this upgrade, put a copy of Legacy data files in a properly named directory on the other (Old) Windows computer.

Disconnect the Old computer from the internet (so it can't call home.)

Run the "upgrade". The install program will try to log you in to sync. Don't let it sync.

Voilà, you now have a Legacy version of Evernote running.

Next week we'll see if it still runs. 😀

Meanwhile, your Current Windows computer will be running version 10.

How did you get the legacy version/upgrade to run on the disconnected computer without being able to connect to the servers to authenticate - in other words, how did you log in to legacy after upgrading, on the disconnected computer?

I am curious whether there is a way to install and run legacy locally, with the previously exported database, on a completely disconnected computer, since there's no way to authenticate/log in.

9 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Feedback about the new UI

 

https://waz9zvkd1f2.typeform.com/newuifeedback

Thank you. Fwiw, I submitted my views on this point. There's a modern tendency toward increased padding  in all programs and apps, but for a productivity app like Evernote, the vast amount of wasted space is inexcusable.