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  1. 11 hours ago, macfixer said:

    Short answer: No.

    Longer answer: The redesign introduced a new… we'll call it 'opinion'… on how much white space/padding each note gets. As you're seeing, each note now takes up more space than it used to, even in earlier builds of Evernote 10. I'm afraid that there's not much more you can do (I suppose you could try zooming out by pressing Cmd-minus to zoom out further, but that can result in some insanely small text. If you're on Twitter/𝕏 and think it might help, a lot of the folks from Bending Spoons are pretty active on it.

    I hope that helps! Sorry that I don't have a better answer for you.

    In complete agreement. Seems that space is not so well used. I have also got to the zoom use and not completely satisfied...

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  2. 18 hours ago, ferol said:

    Just be careful where you put the emoji. If it's at the beginning, you'll have a hard time filling in the TAG in the note, because you'd have to start with the Emoji for it to even offer it to you to click on...
    That's why I only have it on Tags that are nested Tags as the main structure, and I never use those directly in notes...
    Consider using at the end of a word...

    Thks @ferol I was trying it and, as a matter of fact, even before reading this post I used them at the end. In my case because having a symbol at the beginning it altered the position in the tags view.

  3. 6 minutes ago, ferol said:

    Some of my observations on your Obsidian table

    Why export limited?  with plugin is possible: dakdown, html, pdf, docx....

    Kanban - there is 2 plugins for this

    Colored text - plugin (but html inside text... but I chose not to use it. I only set the colored text for the headers)

    mark down formating - is largely reduced by blocking this in css snippets. I use it largely as wysiwing...

    tags organisation - with some plugins almost like in Evernote

    sharing - possible free own website pulbishing (it's not as fast as evernote share online one note, but it can be worked out)

    @ferol Great, I had references to plugins but they were not reflected on the rating. Taking plugins in account, Obsidian rating will get higher 😁.

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  4. Now the Evernote family

    Evernote & sons (and other)
    Free versions
    Amplenote
    Price: 6/month
    Evernote new version
    Price: 9/month
    Afinne
     
    Onenote
    WorkFlowy
     
     
    Price: 5/month
    Aval (20)
    11,5
    11,5
    9,5
    10
    7,5
    11,5
    9
    Ontology
    Entities
    Notes-blocks
    Tags
    Filters: Tag, Saved Searches
    Notebook-Note
    Filters: Tag, 
    Saved Searches
    Notebook-Note
    Filters: Tag
    Saved Searches
    Mems
    Inflows
    Outflow
    Collections-Page-Blocks
    Filters: Tag
    Notebook-Section-Page-Note
    Tags
    Section-Bullets (notes)
    Features
    Jots, Notes, ToDos
    better than Legacy (or not?)
    most = EN
    different
    7 days version history
     
    Miro + Notion baby
    a bit raw
    still physical notebook influence
    collapsible lists on steroids
    Imp/Exp/Backups
    Imp from EN;
     
    2
    Imp EN
    export MD zip
    1,5
     
    import
    export
    2
    TOP
    Imp EN
    export html
    1,5
    Imp EN
    no export
    1
    IMPORT HTML and Notion
    Export?
    Imp EN
    2
    No imp EN
    export MD
    0
     
    Free(mium) lims
     
    No graph view
    No external calendars sync
    No pub of pages
    No TOC
     
    (criei notas para futuro)
    60 MB monthly uploads
    25 MB max. note size
    open source free
    login Google only
    no AI
    limit 25MB upload
    5GB of Cloud Storage
    10MB of maximum file size
     
    Lims 10 G
    no limits
    500 items/month
    Appearance
    Interface & usability (speed etc); open notes # windows
    2
    no editable transclusion
    1,5
    SLOW
    no editable transclusion
    1
    no open multiple notes 
    no transclusion nor editable
    1,5
    no transclusion nor editable
    1,5
    2
    no transclusion nor editable
    1
     
    can't open notes in a separate Window
    editable transclusion
    1
    Formating & Content upld
    collapsible topics, auto correct;
    3
    no columns
    TOC paid
    foldable topics
    no kanban
    no diagram insert
    Footnotes pop up
     
    1,2
    no columns
    no TOC
    foldable headers
    no diagram insert
    no kanban
    audio notes
    pdf searchable
    2,5
    TOP
    no columns
    TOC
    no foldable
    mark down
    limited WYSIWYG
    hot spot 
    diagram view
    kanban
    1,5
    no columns
    no TOC
    no collapsible hd
    no highlighting
    no colored text
    no tables
    no vid embed
    no kanban
    no diagram insert
    1
    no columns
    no TOC
    no collapsible headers
    2
    no TOC (addin)
    no columns
    foldable headers
    2
    no columns
    no TOC
    foldable headers
    no tables
    no horiz line
    no diagram insert
    kanban
    1.5
     
     
    OrgSearch & Nav
    TAGS filtering
    3
     
    Tags; nested tags; saved searches
    no inline tags 
    3
    TOP
    Tags; nested tags; saved searches
    no inline tags
    3
    TOP
    Tags; NO nested tags
    1,5
    Tags; NO nested tags
    1,5
    Tags; NO nested tags
    1,5
    tags; partial tags
    inline tags 
    prob sharing tags
    no global tag view
    no nested tags
    1,5
    tags; inline tags
    2
    Integrations
    GCal
    2
     
    No zapier integ only iftt
    No external calendars sync GCal PAGO
    0
    0
    GCal integ pago
    0
    integra gcalendar 
    2
    TOP
    0
    0
     
    via zapier
    no GCal integ
    0
     
     
    Platforms
    sync;
    work offline
    2
     
    works offline even PWA
    android app
    WinApp paid
    2
    only 2 devices
    offline access
    1
    No web version
    WinApp with offline access
    android app
    2
    TOP
    WinApp with offline access
    no android app
    0
    WinApp
    no android app
    0
    WinApp with offline access
    android app
    2
    TOP
    WinApp with offline access
    android app
    2
    Task/project manag
    2
     
    1
    0,5
    free tasks in-note
    due dates, reminders, and notifications PAID
    0
    1,5
    TOP
    1
    1
    1
    Sharing
    Colab
    Publish
    1
    Colab
    Paid pub
    0,5
    Colab
    Pub
    1
    TOP
    Joplin cloud para colab paid  mas pode usar outros backup and sync app
    Pub
    1
    Colab
    Pub
    1
    TOP
    No colab
    Paid pub
    0
    Colab
    Pub
    1
    TOP
    Colab
    Pub
    1
    Web clipper
    (posso fazer a mao)
    0,5
    YES
    0,5
    (não vou conseguir criar notas) só se fizer com outra conta e copiar para blank note
    0,5
    YES
    0,5
    YES
    0,5
    0
    0,5
    0,5
    Graph view/ editing relations
    canva view
     
    (ref Miro, Mindomo)
    1,5
    permite editar rels em graph; filter by tags
    PAID
    0
     
    NO
    0
    NO
    0
    NO
    0
    YES
    canva view
    1
    tenho de por blocks dentro de shapes para setas colarem
    TOP
    NO
    limited canva
    0,5
    NO
    0
                   
  5. Here are the results of some "hours" of reviewing note taking apps (free versions), with dimensions and scores. It is a work doc

    Notion & sons
     
    EDU
    FREE 4 now
    Price:9/month Edu waiting list discount
    Price
    sync:8/month
    pub:8/month
    Ontology
    Entities
    Database-Page-Subpage (Docs, Wikis, Projects)-Blocks
    Filters: 
    Collection-Set (similar objects)-Object-Block
    Filters: Tag
    Database-Collection-Object-Block
    Filters: Tag (are objects)
    Vault-Note
    Filters: Tag
    Features
    A workhorse; needs previous structuration
    Project manager
    Page history 7 30 days
    + sync shared blocks, + links to notes and auto back links
    Sleek Notion, with graph view and more structure
    open philosophy;
    enhanced security;
    Tipo Obsidian e Notion
     
    Similar to AnyType
    Works with objects
    A comment said is like object oriented programming
     
    Planned
    Gcal integration PAGO 
    Nested tags
    Real task management
    A geekish swiss pocket knife
    addins
    save notes as files in computer
    New/indevelopment
    New better editor has not only markdown easy edit tables etc but limited still
    Imp/Exp/Backups
    Imp from EN;
     
    2
    Imp EN
    export
    problematic backup and recovery
    1,5
    TOP
    IMPORT HTML
    maybe
    EXPORT mark down
    1
    NOt yet
    0
    Imp EN
    export limited
    1,5
     
    TOP
     
    Free(mium) lims
     
    free 4 individuals
    lim de 5MB per file upload
    Notion Plus = Edu: no file imits
    FREE 4 now
    lim de 10GB backup
    core is free
    lim de 5MB upload
    PAID: AI e task management, smart queries; block linking
     
    free
    sync entre devices e publishing pago
     
    Appearance
    Interface & usability (speed etc); open notes # windows
    2
    editable transclusion
    SLOW??
    2
    TOP
    open 2nd window
    config side bar widgets
    no transclusion nor editable 
    1
    block transclusion paid
    1
    open 2nd window
    transclusion no editable transclusion
    1,5
    Formating & Content upld
    collapsible topics, auto correct;
    3
    TOC
    no footnotes
    no text alignment
    foldable lists
    columns
    Prob copy and paste não conserva formatting?
    2,5
    TOP
    no TOC
    no footnotes
    text alignment
    foldable headers
    columns
    2,5
    no TOC
    no footnotes
    no text alignment
    foldable lists
    columns
    no underline
    no video embed
    no tables (paid)
     
    2
    TOC
    footnotes
    text alignment
    foldable lists and headers
    no columns PLUGIN MD?
    no colored text
    no diagram view
    no kanban
    mark down formating
    2
    OrgSearch & Nav
    TAGS filtering
    3
    not easy get global tags
    no saved searches?
    no inline tags
    1
    Tags; NO nested tags
    no inline tags
    1
    Tags full note e parcial (tags are objects)
    NO nested tags 
    no side panel tags collapsible 
    no inline tags
    1,5
    Tags; nested tags
    inline #tags
    No all tags menu? (source: EN move to Obs)
    2
    Integrations
    GCal
    2
    Notion calendar ex-Cron calendar integra gcalendar 
    2
    0
    pago 
    0
     
    poucas e pagas as task management
    no GCal integ PLUGIN
    0,5
    Platforms
    sync;
    work offline
    2
    WinApp offline work limited 
    android app
    1
    No web version
    WinApp
    offline work
    Android app
    2
    TOP
     
    WinApp
    Android app paga
    0
    No web version
    offline work
    sync entre devices pago
    Android app
    1
    wait, Obsidian has documentation to show you how to sync for free)
    Task/project manag
    2
    GCal conection <>
    2
    TOP
    GCal integ PAID
    Global Task view
    1
    task management PAID (send tasks to GTasks) PLUGIN
    0
    PLUGIN
    Sharing
    Colab
    Publish
    1
    limit free 2 blocks 
    Colab
    Pub
    1
    TOP
    No colab
    No pub
    0
    No colab
    Pub
    0,5
    No colab
    Paid pub
    0
    Web clipper
    (posso fazer a mao)
    0,5
    YES
    0,5
    not good but  alt Save to Notion saves the day.
    NO
    0
    NO
    planned
    0
    NO
    0
    Graph view/ editing relations
    canva view
     
    1,5
    NO
    0
    YES
    Local graph filter connect to note
    Graph view filters more limited
    1
    YES
    1,5
     
    TOP
    filter by tags
    1,5
    TOP
    Free version
    EDU
    FREE 4 now
    Price:9/month Edu waiting list discount
    Price
    sync:8/month
    pub:8/month
    Eval (20)
    13,5
    9,5
    6,5
    10
  6. OK, I have also "taken the plunge" to Windows version. Here are my first impressions, updating a table I had posted before. This refers to the Free Version

     

    Features not present in New Version or better managed in Legacy Version (Free Account)
    New or better features in New Version (Free Account)
    • no top toolbar 4 shortcuts
    • (way) faster then new version  generally fast (but sometimes freezes)
    • no color tags
    • filters take too much space when applied
    • two clicks to open EN from taskbar icon (really annoying)
    • hover on tags does not open search tags, we have to click
    • Search Tags keyboard shortcut not available Legacy was Shift + Alt + T
    • Tags icon should be after shortcuts not at the bottom
    • divider less visible
    • too much options only in More editing toolbar except in expanded note
    • less fonts
    • less font colours
    • less settings control
    • notes in local computer, not only online (works offline if logged in before and syncs after); solved: there is option to keep local copy of Evernote database
    • more visible space (snippet view 6 vs 4 notes; side list 24 vs 15 notes) partially solved: by View zoom out setting
     
    • nice colors fresh green and blue
    • more highlight colours
    • strikethrough completed checklist items (although no option to go to bottom of list)
    • recent notes list
    • editable keyboard shortcuts
    • embed youtube videos
    • collapsible left side bar, still in doubt either to
    1. keep visible: direct access tags but less space interface and less visible tags
    2. or click to open search tags: need to find tag icon and hover or click
    • collapsible headers
    • uniform interface in multiples OSs
    • taks in notes

     

     

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  7. 22 hours ago, TK0047 said:

    I have been a HUGE tag guy. All my notes had more than 5 tags on average and I am a firm believer in tags vs. notebooks. I believe tags is the new way of thinking vs. the folder structure we all have been used.

    With Notion, I realized I could use @ symbol and then use it within the note so now I could cross reference everything. Basically, I had to change the way I thought about notes, and when I figured out that these "pages" (notes) were actually kind of websites where I can do links, it opened my eye to many possibilities. 

    In essence, now my old tags are "pages" in databases or pages in Notion. So if I used to have a "Bank of America" or a "Statement" tag, now those live as individual pages or items in databases and I can still access all of those without having to remember where things are.

    This was the biggest challenge I had to overcome.

     

    @TK0047 We seem to think alike :-). Have you tried to import tags from Evernote?

  8. Quote

     

    I don't know if it was already referred but this site looks amazing for comparing not taking apps. Really fantastic. Filtering comparing etc.

    https://noteapps.info/

    Only eventual catch: developed by company related to Amplenote but they disclose it.

    So many hours I took comparing aps in a table with AI help included that could have been avoided. 

    My dimensions are very similar to them. Of course you don't get the experience of use only presence or absence of capacities.

     

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  9. On 2/13/2024 at 7:15 PM, eugenes said:

    so far i haven't really created any databases in Notion. i have migrated most of my EN notes (4000+) to Notion.
    A stack in EN is a page in Notion (eg "courses" on the left). Under it is a "database" (ie a EN notebook -  the middle column, "The Digital and the Analog"). Each of the columns in the database is a page (ie note - right hand column). Notion created these databases automatically when i imported my EN stacks and notebooks.
    For me this is enough (and it doesn't cost $130/year). I doubt i'll be creating any new fancy databases in the near future. 

    image.thumb.png.0c61e5f2306ecf0841f38f5aa06e5d17.png

    What about tag importing?

    Using Tags in Notion does not seem simple. As Ferol referred before. Looked up some solutions to try

    https://matthiasfrank.de/global-tags-in-notion/

  10. 2 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

    I think when all the users that first were dragging their feet and are now hedging their bets have left, the impact will be negligible. There is a small group who will not be convinced, no matter what is done. This is quite normal, so please move on, nothing to be seen here.

    Personally I feel honored by the insight that I don't post anything useful to them (and if I do, be assured it is not intentional).

    My interest is the future, not a group of grumpy left behinds.

    For those who want to contribute there is an interesting initiative by @ferol to collect and evaluate issues and features, and make them available to EN management. This makes sense and is worth investing some time and ideas.

    @ferol@PinkElephant could link that initiative?

  11. One of the musts of adopting another app going from Evernote, having a lot of notes (15 years), is the ability do import (including tags) notes (in my case I have only one Notebook, I make all filtering with tags and saved searches). These are some I am considering that have that ability:

    • Notion
    • Obsidian
    • Joplin
    • Amplenotes
    1. Has anyone tried it, would like to share the experience and give some tips? 
    2. Does anyone know how other apps like Capacities can import form EN? From what I see it is still in development

    https://capacities.io/feedback/p/bulk-import-from-md-and-other-apps

     

    BR

    JPaz

  12. On 2/24/2024 at 7:10 PM, ferol said:

    ...

    Have fun with my list....  😅


    I've already stopped testing alternatives. 

    Evernote clearly wins for my purposes, despite various things I like and would like, and things that have worked in the past and no longer work, or things that goof up...

    many from this list I personaly tested during the last year
     
    I enjoyed it and learned to make better use of Evernote itself... because those other systems gave me different uses and ideas.
    So I don't consider it a waste of time :)
     

    This is a development worth watching:
     
     
     

    This is rather not for me...
    (or untested)
     

     

    Interesting, maybe I will reach the same conclusion. But still trying out alternatives..

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  13. 20 hours ago, jpaz said:

    In my shortlist for testing: Notion, Capacities, AnyType, Mem.Ai. Looking only for free(mium) versions. Discarded Obsidian and Joplin because they demand Mark Down editing (Joplin has also a WYSIWYG editor but limited). Like you I have been learning new ways to use the apps e will have to rechoose functions I may use in one only or several apps.

    Oh, and I had already come across Toolfinder site and that post.

     

    BR

    JPaz

    Options as a Legacy Evernote Free user. What to do? 
    1. (if possible) Keep using Legacy version and back up notes manually
    2. Move to New version and adapt it to my use
    3. Find and move to another app if successfully replaces Evernote (or even has added value) 
    4. Use Evernote and other app

     

    I have been exploring alternative apps. First conclusion: Boy, so many things my good old Evenote is not able to do... 

    BR

     

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  14. 15 minutes ago, ferol said:

    In my shortlist for testing: Notion, Capacities, AnyType, Mem.Ai. Looking only for free(mium) versions. Discarded Obsidian and Joplin because they demand Mark Down editing (Joplin has also a WYSIWYG editor but limited). Like you I have been learning new ways to use the apps e will have to rechoose functions I may use in one only or several apps.

    Oh, and I had already come across Toolfinder site and that post.

     

    BR

    JPaz

  15. 1 hour ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

    You left out something on the right side of the table: a common experience and interface on multiple platforms. What enabled the greater number of fonts (and maybe colors too) on the older version on some platforms was that it used fonts specific to those platforms (mainly Windows and Mac). Those fonts were copyrighted and couldn't be included in the mobile or Web apps, resulting in differences of appearance on different platforms that were at best unpleasant, and sometimes impaired functionality. The tradeoff for getting the common experience across platforms was fewer fonts, but fonts (including colors, formatting, and heading styles) that appeared consistent wherever you looked at your notes.

    The loss of local, unsynced notes and notebooks also seems to reflect an emphasis on one of Evernote's greatest strengths, its availability for work across multiple devices on multiple operating systems.

    Thks @Dave-in-Decatur, right about common interface on multiple platforms. My experience is only Windows + Android.

    One thing that gets on my nerves is the less viewable space. And some things/automatisms I could do (only or better)  in the Legacy app . But these are my habits, and everybody has them but they may differ. Nevertheless, that undoubtedly lowers my evaluation of the app.

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