chuckkahn

I just mentioned the issue here to find out whether this was just my imagination. Also so it gets entered into the public record for posterity.  But I have so many issues with Evernote, starting with "Clicking on feedback in the Mac client results in the focus switching to Chrome browser, but nothing is opened" and continuing with all the Legacy features that aren't in v10, that the appearance of Google searches in the desktop app is by comparison a trivial blip in the growing tide of EN annoyances and not worth my effort to report. Because the Mac feedback button doesn't work I've been focussed on sending my feedback on missing Legacy features to feedback@evernote.com.

I'm on:

10.78.2-win-ddl-public (20240227143346)
Editor: v177.5.0
Service: v1.94.2
© 2019 - 2024 Evernote Corporation. All rights reserved

I just did a search for "new search" in EN and selected File / Quit and re-opened EN and "new search" was not in the list of recent searches. The top result is the same result from my Google search history I saw this afternoon. No new Google search results yet in EN recent searches either.

I was looking under recent searches in EN v10 desktop for Windows and there were only three listed (with Standard selected) and they all appeared to be *Google* recent searches. Is this a feature? A bug? I'm so confused.... Is EN web clipper sending my Google recent searches to EN desktop? 

Dear feedback@evernote.com....

On 11/26/2023 at 6:47 PM, gazumped said:

I never bothered to look since a date search is easier and quicker than scrolling.

Which means I have to remember how to do a date range search. I just looked it up and it's using negation, so put a minus sign before the date

-created:20210615

Twitter/X uses since: and before: for date ranges and Gmail uses another syntax but at least has pop up date prompts freeing the user from the burden of having to look up advanced search syntax and get on with finding what they are looking for.

1 hour ago, gazumped said:

Search or filter your notes for the date or a date range around that time?

So there's no way to get v10 to work seamlessly like EN Legacy for Windows did?

After searching and selecting a found note, how do I see the note in context, ie., with the note before and after it in Notes pane sorted order (eg. created date). 

For example a search for "distiller" surfaces a two page manual for a water distiller I noted in January, but I would like to see the "neighbouring notes" (notes taken immediately before and after that particular note) to re-follow the chronology to my thread of note-taking around that note when I was researching distillers.  

52 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

To get attention on the issue, contact support.

Support request sent, even though "Talk to other users" was the recommended option... https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/requests

Pinch to zoom (in or out) on a note using a trackpad is present in Legacy but missing from v10.63.3.

I see there's a thread about wanting to turn off pinch to zoom in Legacy, but now that it's gone in v10 I miss it.

Enable! / Disable! / Duck Season! / Rabbit Season!

I'm starting a google slides for these missing Legacy features:  https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1pZsDwYMvUdWPoJzXSAXMSJKWJMFfHGyJXGdylb0N75E/edit?usp=sharing

3 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

integral part of the UI

Providing options and flexibility in software design is a common practice to accommodate diverse user preferences and use cases. While some users may find a particular feature valuable, others may prefer to have the option to disable or customize it, especially if it affects screen real estate or usability.

I clicked "Share Feedback" under Evernote / Help and the Mac's focus shifted to Chrome but no form or anything popped up.

Is there a way to turn off the suggested filter box?  I looked in settings to no avail. 

1 hour ago, Boot17 said:

Hrm. I might not be following... On v10 you can put a tag in the Shortcuts area and then drop that tag (from the shortcut) onto the note editor or the note in the side bar? So very similar (and seems like a better fit to me to drop the tag on the note vs the note on the tag)

1) The change replaces all of those positive endorphin-releasing "micro-rewards" generated by dragging thousands of notes onto dozens of tag shortcuts over the past 11 years with "micro-annoyances" of having to tag in the reverse direction.

2) The change is not consistent - the Notebooks and Tags sidebars are still able to accept note drags, as can Notebooks in the Shortcuts sidebar.  

3) The change seems arbitrary

4) The change goes against broader UI history and user expectations -- The "Sidebar" concept in EN Classic with its sections for Notebooks, Tags, Shortcuts, etc is analogous to folders in email and file explorer apps - two of the most ubiquitous desktop app experiences. Users can drag and drop notes into notebooks or tags or shortcuts in a manner similar to moving emails or files into folders. The tag shortcut in EN Legacy in this scenario served as a kind of meta-folder-alias into which users dragged their notes for tagging. EN 10 reverses the direction of not just EN Legacy but the past 28 years of sidebar dragging. 

The dragging was one way for 11 years and then it was reversed but not across-the-board.  So why reverse it at all?  It just seems like the EN 10 interface team is either messing with us or they don't know what they're doing. I don't know what to compare it to. I was gonna say it's like Apple's "Scroll direction: Natural" introduction but they were consistent and left a checkbox to switch it back for those who preferred the old way.  Doesn't inspire me to go deeper into EN 10 when I dip my toe for the old note-drag micro-reward and a piranha gnaws my toe off.

There was just something so satisfying about dragging a note onto a tag shortcut.  Now if I want to recreate that sensation in EN10 I have to drag the note directly onto a tag or onto a notebook.  Or onto a shortcut of a notebook.

There was just something so satifsying about having a consistent user interface.  Now if I want to recreate that sensation I have to use Legacy.

3 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Why don’t you first learn to use the app ? You can start judging when you show at least basic understanding.

Hint: In v10 you draw the tag on the note.

I wouldn't know where to look that up in order to learn it.  Searching and searching for two hours and all it took was to apply a little judging to get a hint.  Thanks?

I should clarify that I see drag and drop works for the notebooks and tags dropdowns in EN 10 , but not for the shortcuts of tags the way it does in Legacy.  (Shortcuts of notebooks appear to work)  I keep a selection of tags for current projects in shortcuts so when I create a new note I like to drag it to the relevant tag shortcut.  If a tag is no longer in heavy use I drag it to the bottom of the tag list or delete it if the project is done.

Same issue, different decade.  I saw the red banner in Legacy, so I launched Evernote 10 and tried to drag a note onto a tag (because that’s what I do all day and apparently what lots of users did in 2012) and it did not work, aka it did not tag the note.  (“Check for updates” reported that I was running the most up-to-date version of EN.)

You can check out this 11-year-old thread if you want to understand why this feature is amazing and how it works. I’m surprised that no one has brought up the absence much beloved feature from 2012.  Possibly because we’re all using Legacy and haven’t noticed.

Yeah this is possible on EN Mac desktop.   Too bad not in EN Windows.  I wanted to put my 2021 tax notebook beside my 2022 tax notebook to compare side by side what 2022 was missing as I add forms, receipts, etc to 2022.   TurboTax runs in Windows so I am resorting to EN Windows and find this EN Mac advantage missing.  (Not one note in a separate floating window but the entire notebook list of notes floating beside the other.)

Also is there a thread subscribe button for email notifications for this thread?   I looked top right, top left, bottom right, bottom left.  Where is the button hiding?

Edit: Found it.  It's "Follow"   I was looking for "Subscribe" which is how every other forum does it.

I booted up an infrequently booted PC the other day and opened Evernote desktop and saw an old (year plus) arrangement of shortcuts in the side panel and when I went back to the my (almost) always-on frequently used PC I was shocked to find this same year plus old arrangement of shortcuts reproduced there as well, overwriting my collection of hard won shortcuts with an outdated arrangement!   Scandal!  Chaos!

Is there a way to prevent this overwriting of shutcuts or a a way to restore the more recent arrangement of shortcuts?   I would rather have my shortcuts from 2 days ago rather than my shortcuts from 400 days ago.  The perils of booting up an infrequently used PC I guess. And did installing EN Legacy on the infrequently booted PC exacerbate this?   Also what is the way to search for articles and help on "Evernote shortcuts" if you do *not* mean EN keyboard shortcuts -- I mean the shortcuts that appear on the side panel above "All Notes" and "Notebooks" and "Tags".   What are those called?   Side panel shortcuts?  Same word is used for both concepts and my googling of "Evernot shortcuts" brought up several pages of results about keyboard shortcuts, which was not what I was searching for.

Also I wanted to mention I usally use EN desktop.  Maybe because when I do get brave and venture into EN web, I end up seeing a collection of shortcuts that do not resemble the desktop collection.  So consistency of shortcuts is one of the key features I rely on EN desktop for.

11 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

The EN edition scanner is not supported any longer, neither by Fujitsu nor by EN. It is not recognized by v10 - which is mentioned in the release notes.

This is probably why you get no update information - the new scanning software needs a standard firmware, not the incompatible EN edition version.

To be able to install it, you first need to convert the EN edition scanner to a standard ScanSnap scanner. Here is how:

https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360024050514

Hint: Once converted, there is no way back. Since back means „not supported“ I don’t think this should be a problem.

Once converted you can update the scanning software to the latest release.

No way back.  Ugh.  I tried (tested) v10 for Windows briefly yesterday.  Clip Screenshot missing from EN taskbar button.  Dragging a note onto a shortcut of a tag no longer assigns said tag to the dragged note.  I tried the Mac version of v10.3.7 in November.  That version was missing the "Copy Image" function which I use very frequently.  So I'm confused.  EN v10 is missing all this stuff and I'm supposed to install and struggle with all of its shortcomings (and brick my EN edition scanner into a "no way back" state) rather than just stick with Legacy, which does what I need it to do?   How about I just use Legacy until v10 gets fixed?  I want a productivity tool, not a struggle-with-missing-features tool.

15 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

You get the latest ScanSnap Manager here - pick your scanner, pick your OS, and it will take you to the installer:

https://scansnap.fujitsu.com/global/ssmanagerv7/

When I go through import folders, I do not scan directly into EN. I scan into a folder. Since you will (probably) not throw all individual documents into one big pdf file, you will anyhow create small files. If you get the rename routine after each scan, or scan all in a batch depends on your settings.

Independently from that you will name the scans, and in this dialogue you can pick a target folder as well. When it is linked to a notebook by the import folder setup, you can send the scanned file into a specific notebook. You just need several import folders to make it happen.

That link seems to be listing generic ScanSnap scanners, rather than the Evernote Edition ScanSnap Scanner.  Screenclip of Information tab attached.   Things are working as I want them to with EN Legacy -- receipts are detected as receipts and sent to the Receipt notebook, and detection/routing works similarly with documents, photos, and business cards -- so I wouldn't want to mess everything up by switching to a generic ScanSnap Manager that isn't Evernote-aware of contexts and routing.  The three scans I made while I was running EN 10.17 looked odd (scan appearing twice/mirrored in the same note with squiggly border on the sides), so I rescanned with 10.17 uninstalled and deleted the odd scans.   

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Install v10 first, then install EN legacy

That is exactly what I did and what I described.   I installed v10.17 and then when I saw the issues in that version (no screenclip function, scans not going to the right notebook, dragging a note onto a shortcut of a tag not assigning said tag to the dragged note) I installed Legacy.  But installing Legacy did not restore the proper assignment of incoming scans to their assigned folders (Documents, Business Cards, Receipts and Photographs).  However *uninstalling* EN 10.17 immediately brought back the auto-sorting of scans to their proper notebooks.   Clearly EN 10.17 was intercepting the scans and putting them in the wrong notebook before Legacy had a chance to put the scan in their proper notebooks.  

My ScanSnap Manager Evernote Edition is reporting version V1.5L10 (1001).  Clicking on "Check for Updates" within the Manager reports "There are no updates"

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When scanning is done, you will be asked to enter the file name

What if you are scanning multiple receipts/documents?  Does it stop between scans to ask for the file name?  That seems inconvenient if you want to scan a batch and sort through the notes later.

15 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

No need to uninstall anything.

Install v10 first, then install EN legacy. Works as you are used to.

https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314-Install-an-older-version-of-Evernote

Or you use the import folder function of the new client. Scan to a separate folder. When scanning is done, you will be asked to enter the file name (using ScanSnap Manager ver. 7.1L32). The file name becomes the note title. Then pick the import folder where you want to send the scan.

Create one import folder per notebook you want to import to. Link notebook and import folder. Which import folder you choose determines the notebook the scan will be send.

I can confirm that uninstalling EN 10.17 restored Legacy's ability to file scanned receipts in the Receipts notebook where they belong.  Bad EN 10.17!

In my old Evernote app, under Tools, there was a "ScanSnap Options..." option which brought up options to auto-file scanned items from the Evernote ScanSnap Scanner to separate notebooks for Documents, Business Cards, Receipts and Photographs.  (see screenclip)  After upgrading to 10.17, ScanSnap scans just go to one notebook (the default user notebook) with the rest of my notes.   How can I undo this holy mess 10.17 has wrought upon me?   I went ahead and installed Legacy but when I scan a receipt, EN 10.17 greedily intercepts the scanning import process and puts it in the default user notebook, not the Receipts notebook that has been happily importing all these years prior to the 10.17 update (see attached screenclip).   I'll try uninstalling 10.17 and see if Legacy will magically regain control of the ScanSnap import process which it has carried out properly for me since 2016.

BTW, EN 10.17 doesn't have a screenclip option.   I had to use EN Legacy to screenclip this images.  Why Evernote?  Why are you doing this to me?