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  1. I have lots of lists using the old checkbox feature and I especially like that the text does not change to strike-through after checking the checkbox. After upgrading to v10.4.4, Evernote for Windows keeps automatically switching my check box lists to checklists and changes all text to strike-through for checked items. This happens anytime I press enter anywhere in any of the items on any line. It is impossible to add a new line anywhere - in the middle, at the end, ANYWHERE, without the list getting switched to a checklist. PLEASE allow us to disable this new "feature". I can understand how some people might like checklists and I may even use them too, but please do not automatically assume that every list I have needs to get switched to a checklist. If I start with a list of check boxes, keep it that way. When I press enter for a new line, I want a check box on the new line, not everything switched to checklist. If I create a checklist, then keep it a checklist - that's fine. Just do not automatically switch everything to checklists.
    3 points
  2. This is what I find so interesting as well ! Ok sure, I assume the idiot managers likely don't use Evernote much but surely someone in the company must!?! If they did though I just don't see how on earth they would have released it. Baffling to me.
    3 points
  3. As a paid subscriber since 2012 and daily plan and data repository user of Evernote, I’m extremely frustrated Ian chose to go after “fluff” instead of maintaining a trustworthy tool. “Power user” I’m not, but have thousands of notes in their currently incapable hands. If I execute a simple saved search based on tags, alter a note to remove a tag that is required in the search, and return to the saved search results...the note is still there in the search results. Okay, maybe I have to re-execute the search...no, several execution of the search retains the note even though it no longer meets the search criteria. In what altered universe is that considered acceptable for even the most basic database? Mind boggling!
    3 points
  4. At this point, I would really like to see an official response from Evernote. This thread is two months old and still has recent activity, so others are clearly bothered by this behavior. IF YOU WORK FOR EVERNOTE AND ARE READING THIS, PLEASE RESPOND! Even if the response is that Evernote will not make any changes, I would still want to know that. The change I am asking Evernote to consider is allowing the user the ability/option to shut off or stop the automatic conversion of check box lists to the new checklists. Basically the ability to tell Evernote to leave a list of check boxes alone and NOT convert it to checklists. Thanks, John
    3 points
  5. Add a tag for notebook name to each note. Not pretty but your hierarchy will be maintained.
    2 points
  6. You could use the new collaboration feature to insert a link in Evernote. That’s what I do.
    2 points
  7. The whole idea of sacrificing local database for a cloud "modern & trendy" app was a mistake. I'm using 6.25 and wouldn't update till they deprecate Legacy version... RIP good old Evernote...
    2 points
  8. I raised a ticket telling all bugs that prevent me from getting to working with EN10.5.1 on all of my Android 10 devices: - extreme slow performance (app starts 15-20 seconds, freezes, key presses with no reaction) - offline notebooks not downloaded, accessing EN10.5.1 offline results into crash - images in notes after short usage of the app not displayed no matter how often installed and deinstalled or logged on/off As a premium customer I think a functioning app is something one could expect, some functionality (e.g. offline use) we explicitly pay for. I asked for a roll back to EN 8.13.3. I think Evernote should offer a parallel legacy option in play store as with windows until this app gets somewhere closer to "ready". Let's see ...
    2 points
  9. What a disappointment this update is. The recent update to the Android app is similarly painful. Somehow Evernote doesn't realize that speed isn't just an incremental difference in a note taking app. If everything is sluggish, it becomes just unusable as the sort of 'brain extension' many of us have become accustomed to. I fear that having spent the time developing this whole rewrite, sunk cost fallacy will cause them to sick with it, rather than realizing that local data and native apps were a critical aspect of their success, and that's where the focus needs to be. Yes, obviously, it's more efficient if you can have a single app with thin wrappers for each platform. But if that causes the performance to be garbage it's penny wise, pound foolish. I rely so much on evernote, I've really resisted looking for alternatives. But I feel like they're leaving me no choice.
    2 points
  10. Your new idea of checklists takes a flexible tool and makes it single use. You force us to use checklists for one purpose. If it’s not checked, it’s not done. If it is, it’s over with and done. I don’t need to see it any longer. I won’t use it again. But lists don’t have such a single, unary purpose. Some lists the default is checked. Some, the default is not check. Most of my lists are intended to be reusable sets of things. A list for a store of things I need over time over and over, I’m checking thing and then unchecking them. Some lists again the default is checked that I need it. In a shopping list, that is always how I use checkboxes. In a To Do list, the default for a list is unchecked, so I can check it of and it’s done. I have far LESS use for your checklists than I do for a set of checkboxes that I know the purpose of, with a sense (check or unchecked) that makes sense to me. The response of Evernote, and many on this forum, seems to be “if you don’t like it, then don’t use the product”. That’s an interesting response. I’m probably one of the longest-time Evernote users. I have been using it for well over 20 years. I know that because the oldest note in my Evernote account is from March of 1998. I just looked, that isn’t a guess. But now I am looking around. OneNote does everything I need, except it is not cross platform to the extent that Evernote is. But, it supports windows and iOS, and that is enough to consider it. Evernote has been the most useful tool I have used over the years for organizing information. But your new UI changes have removed MOST of the usefulness and flexibility of the tool. And YOU ARE NOT LISTENING to your user base, assuming you know best. I would suggest you as designers are not actually power users of your product, so you don’t understand the effects your changes have on people that RELY on the tools to do what they need. In my case, Evernote has been able to serve my needs for over 20 years, and you have broken it’s ability more in one version than in all of that 20 years. Can’t edit create and update dates? I HAVE to have that capability. If I create a note after the fact for a meeting, I MUST put the create date to the date and time of the meeting. That you don’t know you have thousands of users that rely on that shows how little you know about your users. You CANNOT change basic behavior that users have used for 10 or 20 years without impacting their ability to actually do real work. Work they get paid to do. That you don’t understand that means you don’t understand why you will DRIVE the power uses from your platform because we CANNOT trust you to maintain a usable product. That is simply the wrong kind of arrogance on your part. And I’m confident you do not care.
    2 points
  11. Electron base, really? That explains why it is so relentlessly slow even on my macbook pro with 16gb and 200Mbps optical line! It seems that these days I am spending more time on the internet searching for answers trying to somehow justify my frustration on how Evernote has gone from one of the few products that I always thought was worth paying for, to a product design that sacrifices productivity and usability over cross-platform maintainability. So far this new version has so many negative aspects that greatly outweigh the positive that this is the first time since 2012, premium subscriber, that I am seriously considering abandoning Evernote for good!
    2 points
  12. It seems others are not thrilled to see all their check box lists turned into checklists (with strike through). And Thankfully there is a workaround to prevent this from happening, but adding a space before each line is cumbersome if you have lots of lists and lots of items. So, I go back to my original request.... Can Evernote stop automatically converting existing check box lists to checklists? I'm not asking for checklists to go away - just don't keep switching everything to checklists! Or, allow the user some way to disable/turn off this auto-convert to checklist feature? Perhaps something similar to how MS Word allows you to disable certain auto-correct options? ...John
    2 points
  13. The new version sucks. Evernote began to consume 3-4 times more memory (more than 1 GB with 4 notes open), which is why the application slows down. The old version consumes 200-300 MB for the same number of notes. Even in the worst of times, when everyone called Evernote "the slowed-down elephant," the notebook ran faster. Side panel! Seriously? I see only a few tags on the 13-inch display instead of 20 in the old version. Do you call this "making a spacious design"? The new panel was not created to work with information. Colored tags! They made it possible to work very quickly and productively with notes. Where is the color? Shortcuts! Do you know why they are needed? To always be in front of my eyes and help in my work. Why did you remove them? Why did you add a link to the source under the title? This is unnecessary visual rubbish. Hide it. 2\10 I am disappointed
    1 point
  14. Hi, Please let us scale down the interface. Everything is too big, and there are tons of blank/unused space in the new version. Here is a comparison of the quantity of information displayed on the legacy version and new version. I don't need so big texts and blank space. I use Evernote to note information, not to get a concept art space... Please let us customize interface.
    1 point
  15. I think that we dont need a fix of ver 10.5 What we need is an improvement of versions like 6.25 or so and forget the useless software that does nothing but is very eye-catching. Why don't you developers create another application, a game for example, but don't spoil Evernote forever. Perhaps we, all togheter, can pay you for forgeting about 10. version.
    1 point
  16. Just wondering if there's any news on this... I am experiencing the same problem with version 10.8.5. It's completely unusable. I manage to make it about 10 words into a sentence before Evernote completely hangs up on me and I cannot keep up with taking notes in real-time during meetings.
    1 point
  17. This is still happening. I frequently can't click the bell for add reminder. Going to a different note and going back seems to fix it every time. Not sure on cause. It just happened twice but they aren't reproducible. So it's frequent, but I can't figure out the trigger. * remove tag from note, add new tag, click add reminder bell - no popup or screen. * create new note, add tag, click to another search, click "notes" and choose first note I just created. Click add reminder bell - no popup or screen. Both of those just happened, but when I tried those steps again, the reminder popup worked fine. Chrome: Version 88.0.4324.150 (Official Build) (x86_64) Evernote: Web version 10.9.2-web (235) macOS: Catalina 10.15.7
    1 point
  18. If, in your current version of Evernote, and on your current device, you can open that note in its own window, does that help?
    1 point
  19. Why when opening shortcuts, Notes list disappear? It's stupid - I want to see where each note belongs...
    1 point
  20. This is a user forum. Sometimes Evernote employees post here, but they're not particularly active. You can submit a bug report here: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
    1 point
  21. Only use that password for Evernote access Do not use the same password for other services that may be compromised
    1 point
  22. Yes @Wolfgang W, I totally agree. I deinstalled EN on all of my devices and reinstalled EN 8.13.3 freshly via sideloading the apk-file and deactivated the auto update in store as well. First app ever that forced me to do this in Android eco system by the way...
    1 point
  23. So I actually contacted support about this, and credit to the guy who answered me, he said he wanted this feature too! But he said he wasn’t aware of any plans to implement it. I asked for the feedback to be submitted up the chain, but clearly they don’t listen, so I’m sadly ready to move on. MS OneNote looks pretty good from my initial search. Anyone have any thoughts? I’m a Mac user if it makes a difference. Though I guess the people who’ve moved on and found a suitable competitor don’t hang out here anymore! I also looked for ian small’s email address. From his YouTube videos he seems like an approachable guy, and I wonder if he’s just not aware people desperately want this. But I couldn’t find it and I’ve spent enough of my life trying to improve someone else’s product that they charge me for.
    1 point
  24. I also raised a ticket b/o somewhat different bugs. There's no progress in support. IMHO de-installing the 10.5 v, re-installing the 8.3 v (see in this thread above) as well as turning off auto-update for software is the only way to work with Evernote in the near future.
    1 point
  25. You said you've "been a member since 2011" edit I guess the irony was too subtle Offline access has not been depreciated for Basic accounts It's always been a paid feature, along with much more functionality as "encouragement to subscribe"
    1 point
  26. Hi. Considering that many users have apparently operated quite happily for years using the free service - which Evernote presumably intended purely as a 'trial' to encourage actual subscriptions - I can't see them improving the features available. The level of service you're looking for is, of course, available to subscribers - and if you're keeping travel plans or any other important details in there it might be an idea to consider a reliable paid-for service.
    1 point
  27. Well, they sure got the Evernote logo right - it's certainly slow as an elephant.
    1 point
  28. Some time ago I mindlessly updated Evernote to the "new version" and then trouble started. Slow notes, vanishing content in windows, export options gone. It looks more like an "air" application - one that uses a web browser disguised as an app than an actual application built with my OS in mind (OSX). What boggled my mind is that on my laptop I still had the old version and it was SO MUCH BETTER. So I dug a little and realized I could use the "Legacy" evernote. I've swapped icons now in my OSX dock and use Legacy exclusively. It is irritating that Evernote would push an app that is clearly a downgrade and have us work thru its issues, in the hopes of some distant payout. I don't see what need they had to rebuild something that was working well for something that is crappy at best. I suppose at some point in the future I may be required to make another decision - The Legacy might stop working, or it might not work well on Apple silicon. At that point in time my decision won't be upgrade or not. It will be upgrade or migrate to another service. I really hope Evernote gets their *** together with the client. Right now it is horrible and if I had to make the decision today I would probably switch to competing product.
    1 point
  29. I'm afraid that Evernote have lost the plot. This used to be a great product but the new "architecture" has made the product very slow. I'm on a new mac mini - everything else works fine - but not Evernote. There are delays when typing a note and it has got so bad now that I think it's the end of the road. If I can't type a note on Evernote consistently then I can't use the product. Goodbye Evernote.
    1 point
  30. The Alt-Shft-D insertion of date is something I would use for every new note, but it is only useful if we can set the preference to use the yyyy-mm-dd format. The current implementation only provides Month day, year. This is useless for sorting. Why would I bother to use this when I have to over-type it with the preferred format? The current implementation is of marginal utility and short-sighted.
    1 point
  31. How do you know that the new Evernote apps will always be slower than the legacy versions? On the one hand, @IanSmall recently said the opposite of this. On the other hand, every Evernote CEO and many other employees have been promising and failing to fix these issues for well over a decade. Let's hope this time truly is different. Are they keeping that promise? Let's see. I think we have the answer. Evernote does not appear to have changed. There are still people there working on embedding YouTube videos instead of making the typing experience tolerable. Employees are still adding features like a home screen instead of ensuring that the program overall isn't a huge resource hog. Evernote is pouring resources into dynamic links with Google Drive files instead of preventing system hang. The list of new and non-core features is consistently large while core performance issues remain largely unchanged. From the outside, it still feels like Evernote is focusing on the car's leather interiors and stereo system while the brakes and steering don't work. Can someone please correct my cynicism if it's out of line? Have there been enormous improvements to the core UX of the new apps that I'm not aware of?
    1 point
  32. I do not think Evernote should go and change your formatting behind your back. If you create a bulleted list without checkboxes, it leaves it as a bulleted list. At a later time, if you add checkboxes to the items in the list, Evernote will convert the bulleted list to a checklist. Please note, that conversion happens the next time you view the note. It's not like autoformating where it converts a - into a bullet or a [ ] in to a checkbox. It does it behind your back and without any indication that it is doing so. I believe that when you leave a note, it should be in the same state when you go back to it. I've found that if you have at least one item in your bulleted list that does not have a checkbox, then it does not convert the list for you.
    1 point
  33. Im running..."v 10.5.7 build 458420 public. Editor: v114.1.14753. Service: v1.25.2" on MacBook Pro. The app is god awful slow. Is there any updates on resolutions to get this resolved??? I am so annoyed with it I am thinking about jumping ship to another app. Thank you.
    1 point
  34. Same here. Outrageous this has not been fixed. It's no longer a productivity tool...lost confidence in what I have entrusted it to keep. Seems elephants do forget - that the customer experience matters - customers expect the basics to work i.e. the app to open up with your contents on display.
    1 point
  35. Hello, I'm trying to use Script Editor to import my Apple Notes into Evernote. Using the following code I found on a discussion board (see below). I am getting the Syntax error "Expected end of line, etc. but found application constant or consideration." with note highlighted. Tried opening & closing Evernote, then re-downloading from the web. I am on Big Sur. tell application "Notes" set theMessages to every note repeat with thisMessage in theMessages set myTitle to the name of thisMessage set myText to the body of thisMessage set myCreateDate to the creation date of thisMessage set myModDate to the modification date of thisMessage tell application "Evernote.app" set myNote to create note with text myTitle title myTitle notebook "New Business Notes" tags ["imported_from_notes"] set the HTML content of myNote to myText set the creation date of myNote to myCreateDate set the modification date of myNote to myCreateDate end tell end repeat
    1 point
  36. Completely agree. I like the new checklists (mainly because of the ease of reordering by drag and drop) but if I want a check box at the beginning of a line I should be allowed to have one! It would also be nice to choose whether to strikeout the text. If you are not aware from other posts the workaround is to put a space before the checkbox. So <space>[] inserts a checkbox at the beginning of a line, that doesn't change to a checklist when you hit enter. You will need to add it at the beginning of every line though.
    1 point
  37. Thanks. I think it would be a better idea to notify users in advance about any changes / new limitations they encounter by agreeing to the installation of a new version. I've also noticed the newer 10.4 version does not support any other formats of exporting data except for native enex-format Is there any way I can toggle off new suggestions for updating the Windows app?
    1 point
  38. Until v10 reaches maturity: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314-Install-an-older-version-of-Evernote
    1 point
  39. To put things in perspective, cold starting the Evernote app on my iPad Mini 5 (A12) takes 4sec+ from launch to current note being displayed, more or less the same to create a new note. Running on the same hardware, Bear app cold starts to display current note almost immediately, and you can start writing a new note well under a second. For a mobile note taking app speed matters, a lot. It's extremely enervating that Apple and others pour immense resources into creating faster and more power efficient devices, just to have those gains squandered by app developers. Personally, I will "cast my vote" on this matter by refusing to bankroll this behaviour.
    1 point
  40. There should be support to sync legacy until they can get the new version to a reasonable level of speed and function. The current version is like coming outside in the morning to a car with flats, no steering wheel, a broken dashboard. Legacy is just an unsupported loaner car that won’t drive side by side well with the new iOS version.
    1 point
  41. Here's a screenshot, sorry it's heavily blurred but hopefully gives context. Labels A, B, C in red. A: Notebook stack, with a number of sub-notebooks. Can't right-click, which would be the intuitive option. When I left-click to select, I now know to look for three dots at position C, but nothing appears other than 'sort options' and 'view options' buttons B: Individual notebook. Can't right-click. When I left-click to select, the three dots do appear at position C. Not an intuitive place to put rename options, but at least it's there once we know where to look.
    1 point
  42. You start with a promise of significant changes coming soon and finish by saying (in effect) Legacy app downloads can disappear as soon as those changes arrive. Which is simply a more positively phrased version of what's already been said. It's a bit like me saying I'm committed to losing weight until my weight changes. If the company is truly committed there should be no problem promising the Legacy app will continue to sync without new bugs through, say, 2021. But such a promise would in effect be supporting the legacy app, wouldn't it? So aside from a reaffirmation of the previously announced features to come, nothing's really changed by your post. I'm old enough to remember when release notes documented changes in a product released to customers, not promotional statements about changes coming Real Soon Now. What in the world has happened to software companies these days? No, that's not what was stated at all. There's no statement the Legacy app will be supported, merely a commitment to making it available. And for how long? I don't know what a promise to support crucial workflows means given the numerous reported problems with v10, but I'm pretty sure it's not "until we're closer to closing the feature gap".
    1 point
  43. I'm with virtually everyone on here.. This update is horribly bad. Additionally Evernote has been so slow, prone to hanging for that past couple of years it's pushed me to seriously exploring other solutions. I've been an Evernote user since 2011, after reading David Allen's getting things done, I wanted to get organized and as per his suggestion develop a trusted system. Since then I've used Evernote heavily. I had around 32,000 notes, including loads of clipped articles I wanted to save for potential research, I blew all that out by downloading then deleting the notebooks I don't need frequently and that did not result in a much speedier user experience. The only conclusion I can come to from that, is that the application is deeply flawed and with the recent changes, it's also now almost unusable. Many like myself put our trust in Evernote that it would be a reliable system for organizing content we wanted to retain in something of a digital file cabinet. I don't have the trust any longer and I'm deeply uncertain that Evernote understands why the app is important to people. While Evernote might be able to fix some of the usability issues, I'm not confident it can earn back the Trust so many of us placed in it.
    1 point
  44. Indeed. The "Evernote Legacy" app is available here: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314-Install-an-older-version-of-Evernote
    1 point
  45. Hi, up to now we paid money for plus/premium/business subscription to get access to full functionality and mature version i.e. free from critical/major bugs. The current version has been stripped down from about 80% of advanced functionality - users' feedback about this has been ignored. Moreover, as seen on this and iOS forum there is a lot of critical bugs related to stability, sync., etc. Therefore, I suggest that all versions of Evernote apps/services should be free for all until they will reach some considerable level of maturity. Current paid users should get at least a partial refund.
    1 point
  46. This is a regression from the old version. It was more convenient before right clicking than having to go to the Notebooks menu. We lose a lot in productivity with this new method. It's incomprehensible
    1 point
  47. It is so slow for me that I cannot even test it out for a long period of time to see how it works. For work, we have remote desktop, it is even slower on that. I click on a note and wait 10 second if not more to note to load up and change. Same with typing, I type and wait for the word to show up. V6.25 works just fine via the remote desktop. I have it on the local desktop too but even that is not fast enough. Load times are really hindering the workflow and efficiency of using a "productivity app" which is supposed to let me find notes, reference material and more very quickly. There are good additions to the app like even editing a scanned business card and adding a photo to that. But those adds are really shadowed with the "major" issues and removed features unfortunately.
    1 point
  48. Dear Evernote Dev Team, I am an long-time Evernote Premium user, fan and advocate. It is part of my daily workflow, for hours per day I might add. You guys have done a wonderful job with this product and my hat goes off to you... However, this feature would be HUGE to me, and apparently many others. PLEASE consider adding this feature sooner than later. As mentioned, I am loyal but I have begun to research alternatives that would offer this feature. I really don't want to switch though. just being honest You guys rock!!! Best Regards, Craig
    1 point
  49. For what it is worth, I am currently a Premium User and have been either Plus or Premium for some time. The Evernote folks should know that this is STILL an issue. I will talk a little about use cases and maybe some alternatives for making support easier. Many people learning a Semitic language (including Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, etc) need to write notes, vocabulary, add glosses (short definitions) to text, or record references (like the gentlemen in this thread with Strong's concordance numbers (LTR) intersperesed with RTL text, Syriac was it?). This is also clearly going to be true of anyone doing original language Bible or Koran study. It is currently true of researchers studying ME terrorism, the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, or other similar issues. Evernote, in some ways, is a perfect tool to organize, index, and search that kind of thing. As it turns out, I do all three of these things and I am building up a good amount of mixed-language notes. Almost all of my paper notebooks on language studies, Bible Studies, and Terrorism research have moved to electronic text, either typed or hand-written with a stylus. Evernote seems to have little problem indexing text and tags in multiple languages (other than some issues searching and matching pointed text--- but we'll talk about that another day ;-) ). Actually ENTERING the text in EverNote, at least on Android (5, 6, and 7) is a *royal* pain in the rear. Much of the time, I end up putting the tablet down in frustration, syncing over to NixNote on Linux, fixing the text, and syncing back. NixNote's RTL support is *not* perfect either, but it is MUCH more reliable than the Android app. Here is some detail on things I try to do (cut and paste from my notebooks), numbered for reference, then I'll talk a little about ways Evernote might either improve OR *avoid* the issues. [1] Language exercises: ---- Translate Hebrew To English: אַתָה הוּא הֳֽאֱלֹהִים וַאֲנַ֫חְנוּ עַמְךָ בְּנֵי־בְרִיתָֽךָ Thou art the God and we your people, sons of your covenant. שָׁלַח מֹשֶׂה מְרַגְלִים אֶת־אֶ֫רֶץ כְּנַ֫עַן וְהָֽאֲנָשִׁים הָיוּ אַנְשֵׁי־שׁם, רְאֹשֵׁי־יִשְׂרָאֵל Moses sent out spies into the land of Canaan, and the men were men-of-name, chiefs among the Israelites. --- (You may see boxes where some of the characters don't display properly in your font: that isn't a problem in the app.) You've got alternating RTL and LTR text on different lines. [2] Vocabulary --- כְּנַ֫עַן - Canaan מְרַגֵּל - spy לֶ֫חֶם - bread --- [3] Mixed language notes This is closely related to the Arabic practice of mubahlaga ("مُبالَغة": the "ah" is an 'a' as in 'father' and the 'g' is an aspirated sound like in "gomorah"), which is more or less a habitual practice of excessive, almost fantastic exaggeration. There are a few reasons why this practice happens, but... [4] Definitions --- אניה: 'onîyâh Ship Men of ships, seamen [BDB ] From H590 Strong's Definition: Feminine of H590; a ship: - ship ([-men]). יונה/Jonah 1:3 & 4 Q: Why is seamen feminine? --- With #2 you've got mixed LTR and RTL text on the same lines, often separated by punctuation. This could be RTL terms with LTR definitions or vice-versa. With #3 and #4, you have mixed free-form text which may suddenly contain text in the reverse definition. Notice that in the definition of oniyah above I have Hebrew, English, phonetics, links, and keywords all tied together. I can type the characters very easily by switching software keyboards and, in theory, have it all neatly indexed in Evernote. I can even attach hand-writing to add Ancient Hebrew pictograms (I haven't figured out how to type those yet!) all neatly packaged. What Goes Wrong: When entering the text, cursor handling becomes totally bizarre. In the best of programs, it can be confusing to move the cursor in and out of the runs of bi-directional text and keep track of where you are (do you move the cursor logically such that the forward arrow takes you to the next logical letter in the sequence, or does the right arrow always move one space right and the left arrow one space left? Evernote doesn't even try. It leaves the cursor in one place and the next character typed goes wherever it feels like. If the cursor is at the end of the line, RTL text is added at the beginning; if I put the cursor at the beginning of the line, text is entered at the end! Using the arrows to move through the text (say, on a bluetooth keyboard) is an exercise in frustration. With either the software keyboard (say Hebrew Nikud Icon-Me or Multi-Ling O Keyboard) or a hardware keyboard, it often forgets where it is and just starts adding new text at the end of the line but a Backspace then deletes in the other direction! This is especially true when pointing (add in vowel marks and accents) in Hebrew or Arabic. The app sometimes loses its mind in this case and starts creating total gobbledy-*****. I have to then select the block of text, delete it, and retype. Sometimes just selecting the most recent RTL character and retyping that seems to let the app figure itself out, but that leads me to the next issue: Selecting bidirectional text is completely nightmarish. When I sweep out a block of text with finger, mouse, arrow-keys, or stylus, it highlights a more or less arbitrary run of text with the selection handles in completely meaningless positions. I then flail at things randomly until it decides to select the right letter. Moving a handle up, down, right, or left changes the selection in some unrelated fashion. This is often where I give up and go to NixNote or type the text in something else and paste it in. The text above with יונה/Jonah in English and Hebrew was one of those spots I fiddled with for a good while in the app before giving up but it only took me a second or two in this web form, including the time to switch keyboard modes. I often have to type a reference like that in both languages so **either will hit on a search.** With text selection broken, not only is it hard to enter text, it is almost impossible to even fix the problems the app causes. For the most part, ONCE I GET THE TEXT ENTERED, it looks fine on Android, the web app, and NixNote (given appropriate choice of fonts), so somewhere the Unicode must be handled correctly by your back end. I suspect your back end doesn't really care, which is good and the way it should work. Other approaches: Doing bidirectional text right is hard. (I am a retired programmer, believe me, I know!) and sometimes broken APIs underneath make it *really* hard. But, there are also some ways to cheat which might make some of these folks (like me) happ[y/ier]. I am happy with cheating if it gets the problem fixed and reduces my frustration level. A. Be able to add equivalent search terms. If I can file somewhere that when I search for Jonah, I want to find references to יונה as well, then I don't have to write both terms as often like I did in #4. If I only need to write one term (and I don't care which, mostly), then I have less mixed text and both of us have less frustration. It's less to go wrong. This also would fix problems with searching pointed text by accident (e.g. מלך and מֶ֫לֶךְ don't currently match in your searches, one with and one without vowel-pointing. Strictly speaking, they should search equivalent, just like King and king, but if I can work around it... I really don't care.) This is also VERY important in researching ME history and events anyway as the same name, say of a historical figure, can be transliterated 8 different ways in 8 different articles. B. Be able to either split LTR and RTR into multiple columns or C. simple tables. When I do vocabulary lists like #2 or translations like #1, it could be split into columns. In fact, when I do it on paper, I use reversed legal paper with a very wide margin on the right. I write RTL in the main body and LTR in the wide margin. With Greek, I use regular legal paper with the wide margin on the left. You could make the same thing easy to do in software and people would have to mix text less often. I have also done them as simple tables in NixNote (Don't seem to be able to in the Android app) which puts the LTR and RTR text in separate boxes: Hebrew/Arabic terms go in one column, English glosses in the other. Again, less mixed text, less problems. Either solution would have side-benefits for non-bidirectional users. Lots of folks take class notes in columns and that's why they make legal pads with those wide margins in the first place. Really the only thing left then is #2, free-form mixed-language text suddenly switching directions. If it comes down to that and I have to type it in another app and paste it in, sure, that would still be frustrating, but MUCH less so. As it is, however, since I bang into this problem all the time, I am seriously thinking of giving OneNote a try. I'd rather leave my data where it is and just have the problem go away.
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