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  1. 23 points
    It's unbelievable how such a good product can turn into such a bad thing that it induces a customer from years of using the product and the platform to start a process of mass migration of their data to the competition. How can a company do not make a market research, a survey among its loyal customers about what they expect or not from a new version. To me, if Evernote continues like this, it really died. And there it is to look for alternatives to other products, which maybe don't have all the features of Evernote but at least they don't charge us for what they can't offer, different from Evernote which keeps charging and at the same time has removed crucial functions for me. Let's go to the list of CRUCIAL functions that have been removed, and that for me disfigure the whole product: - There is no way to change the color of lateral toolbar from Dark. - There is no way to put shortcuts list in the top of screen. It will not move anymore - There are only FIVE Fonts. For me that store computer code in the notes, it is A TERRIBLE choice - Desktop App is a web based one, and notes are not synchronized anymore. Just turn off your Ethernet adapter and the program will not show notes anymore. The proof is that you are able to show "developer options" that show a web page render in the right side of the screen. Another proof is you can use the old classic version side by side with the new one, so the new version 10 is not using the database files that is stored locally. - I can't change the Interface Language. I like to use English Interface, since I can have a lot of info in foruns instead to get translated the Brazilian version to English one. - I can't create a Notebook inside the Notebook stack as I always did. You need to first create the Notebook, then move it to stack - I can't grab a screen capture anymore - I can't Paste text directly to Evernote note (CTRL+shitf+V) anymore - I can't import a folder anymore - I can't un-stack a Notebook from a stack using right click mouse. I need to drag an drop them. - I can't narrow a search inside a specific Notebook or Notebook Stack. Please, if you noted some another missing feature, feel free to contribute to this list.
  2. 11 points
    I think given the frustration of users from the preview, beta and now the general release about the removal of functions and sparse information about which may still be under development, I think it would be a good idea for Evernote to publish a full roadmap to show which features are coming and a list of those that have been removed for good. I don't think this would even need dates, just a list of features with a guide as to In Development | Coming Later | Removed Permanently and to show where the new client is going. I think this would give users a clear indication of what to expect and maybe a little faith back. Communication goes a long way with things like this. Personally I would really like to see this, especially as I feel a lot of the beta feedback has been ignored. My premium subscription renewed a little while ago so I am going to cancel my auto renewal, then if it improves before it is due again (and I really hope it does) I will consider re-instating it. I am afraid I cant see the value in paying for this when there are other products available that suite my workflow better than the current build. I have enjoyed Evernote for years but personally feel this is a step back in terms of product development. If you agree please think about giving this post a vote in the hope it is picked up by the team.
  3. 10 points
    I gave up trying v.10 and am back to previous v. 6.25.1.9091 (last stable version). I use Evernote for work, not for leisure. The poor design and missing features affect my workflow. I just can't afford it. The whole situation is a true lack of respect. This release is an unfinished project - and a poor one. I'll stick to the older version for now.
  4. 10 points
    I`ve just installed the new v. 10 and I just couldn't believe my eyes: oh, no, they kept most of the horrible beta version they realeased a few weeks ago! I would't call it an upgrade. I see it as a new concept, a whole new design - and they turned the back to old customers, simple as that. I spend 90%> of my computer time at Evernote. It has been so for the past 11 years, my workflow is based on Evernote, I have thousands of notes. They messed everything up. My first shock (not yet recovered): they killed the local databases and syncing. Who asked me if I want to have all my notes on the cloud ALONE? I'm collecting a list of missing functions and I'll add to this node. For now, my statement is that the downgraded their own piece of software. They sacrified a robust desktop client in favour to an Andoid-like app: just the basics. Not my idea of a note taking software.
  5. 9 points
    The new editor is more beautiful, but it is not very functional. On windows, the platform I use is very bad. You took away several features (Synchronize button, several shortcut keys, the table operation was too bad - new lines do not use the formatting of the previous one, etc ...). Not to mention the performance that is much slower than the classic version. And where is the preferences screen? I have never seen an application that cannot be configured. I use the premium version, but I'm already researching other apps to migrate (OneNote, SimpleNote, etc ...). In my opinion you have released a version that would not even serve for beta.
  6. 9 points
    I've participated in the Preview and the Beta programmes for this release. I've noted bugs when I've seen them, responded to the feedback questionnaires and posted observations to the Preview and Beta forums. I'm really surprised to see this release go live when the most recent beta didn't seem nearly ready. It feels as if this release has been rushed rather too rapidly. Perhaps to catch up with the iOS release? It doesn't even feel like a robust Beta, let alone a full release. I appreciate this is a "journey" and improvements can still be made, etc. etc. but shouldn't the app at least... you know... work? I made a list of some of the basic functionality that I was waiting to see fixed. I say "fixed" because these are all things that already existed in the previous release and have not been implemented in 10.0.10. Tabs! - Imagine using a web browser and the developer removed the ability to open more than one tab at a time. My mother only uses one tab in her web browser but I suspect she might be in the minority. This was highlighted early on in the beta programme and seems to have been ignored. Local links - Again, highlighted early on and seemingly ignored. Not only does it seem impossible to create a local link to a note, existing evernote:// links no longer work. Imagine if you were a paying Evernote customer (I am) who'd created a lot of links in other applications (I have)! No need to imagine, I guess. So all the carefully-crafted links are not honoured. Why take this functionality away? Or why send out a product before it has this basic functionality included? </rhetorical> PDF Annotation Summaries - I annotate documents, research papers etc. Previously, annotations were summarised at the top of the note. Really useful stuff! That's no longer available. Not only that, my existing annotation summaries have lost all recognisable formatting. Highlights in the wrong places, text annotations pointing to the wrong text. Web Clipper - I'm not sure what's happened here but the web clipper, which used to be excellent and so much better than any competitors' solutions, is now formatting clipped content in strange and unexpected ways. What was a predictable behaviour is now a lottery. Creating a Table of Contents from multiple notes - No longer an option. Why not? I could go on (and frequently do). There are a host of curious design choices that other beta users have highlighted. I'm not quite so frustrated with those things. I can live with a quirky new way of doing something as long as it works. Why do I need to click twice on a link to open it? Who knows? It's a behaviour I'm not familiar with and seems like a curious design choice but I'm really only bothered that the link opens. TL;DR? Evernote is broken. At least, it doesn't work in a way that will allow me to keep using it without employing a lot of "workarounds". This is true of the iOS release too. (The issue about offline notebooks is well documented in the relevant forum, for example.) Having been with Evernote for 12 years, I was happy to contribute time to the Preview and Beta programmes. I liked Evernote. I encouraged friends to use it. I pestered work colleagues to download it. I don't expect to be making such encouraging noises in the future! I'm sure a huge amount of work has gone into making this new Evernote release. Perhaps this is simply a bumpy start to an exciting journey but it's not one that I'll be joining. I just want Evernote to be what it used to be, a reliable, robust 'second brain'. This release, sadly, is not a step forward.
  7. 7 points
    I just set a reminder for a note using v10.1.7 and noticed that the options are fixed at date plus a time at the hour and half-hour. In the legacy 6.25 world I can set a reminder down to the second. Today I wanted to set a note to remind me 5 minutes prior to a meeting that I have scheduled at 9.15am. In version 10.1.7 My options are to have the reminder at 9am or 9.30am. In version 6.25 I was able to set the reminder for precisely 9.10am. Ironically, that time then appears in version 10.1.x Given that many folk use diary/calendar blocks of 15 minutes it would seem to be valuable to at least have reminders offering 15 minute blocks of time. Could we at least have that if not the complete flexibility of the legacy version?
  8. 7 points
    Oh my days.... the free crowd on Reddit are going to pop a vein!! I say good move. I'd rather my notes are kept by a company that has income and makes a profit!! Nothing wrong with paying for what you use👍
  9. 7 points
    I immediately apologize for the clumsy language, English is not my native language. I've been using Evernote for 9 years. During this time, the "elephant" has become my main working tool. In the beginning it was rather difficult to switch from the tree structure of folders to tags, but in the end it played a decisive role. During this 9 years, I saw a lot that happened with Evernote: good and bad, but there was always movement forward. They often write about productivity on their blog and it's true. Evernote allowed you to work very quickly with any amount of information, take notes with cross-tags, customize the interface for yourself, and much more. Now, unfortunately, I see how Evernote is degrading. I like the new design of notes. I like the new tag bar. I like the new text highlighting. Everything else makes me angry. Because Evernote doesn't want to be productive anymore. For example, colored tags. If you are using Evernote for more complex tasks than saving recipes, color tags are a very good way to handle multitasking. A quick glance at a work notebook allows you to visually assess what needs to be done and what has already been done. Yes, I can open the tags panel or enter the tag into the search, but is it more productive than not clicking anywhere at all? Stupid 4096 character limit when selecting tags. For 9 years I have accumulated more than 30,000 notes, most of which I need for work. For orientation by notes, I use tags and tag groups. Let's say the recent debate between Trump and Biden includes 4 tags: Donald Trump, Joe Biden, electoral manipulation, debate. All of these tags are included in larger groups. For example, Politicians / US Politicians / Donald Trump. The sub-tag "US Politicians" contains over 100 names. Now I cannot select them all at once because there is a character limit. I am asked to add a parent tag to a note. Wonderful. Now instead of 4 tags, I'll add 7 or 8. This is very productive. Wonderful "productive" design of the new Evernote. Thanks to the developers, I now see half the information in the sidebar. But a third of the panel is given for elements that are not needed there at all. God, this is counter-productive! You were probably not picked up on the street, but you graduated from some design school, read books about ergonomics and interfaces, user experience? I also got a new, productive way to sync. I am typing, a sync error occurs and the typed text disappears. Excellent. Return local notebooks. I use Evernote on several devices, but mostly on a 13-inch laptop, which is convenient to carry around in my bag. This is quite a powerful laptop on which I edit videos, photos and play Warcraft at the highest graphics settings. But it is overheating right now when I type this text. I don’t understand how a note taker can consume more than 1 GB of RAM. It's just text, not a 3D rendering of the model. Hey guys, you are killing Evernote. You made the right decision to standardize all versions, but the implementation just sucks. Maybe you should remove productivity articles from your blog and replace them with gardening articles?
  10. 7 points
    It will, because we are a free market economy! I was being somewhat facetious, stemming from my astonishment at how Ian/EN managed this current/past upgrade & implementation. Perhaps moving forward and in future they will realise that 'money talks' in a free economy and not just their ability to save a buck by more streamlined operations. I mean on one hand Ian said they didn't plan and just got stuck into it, and on the other they surveyed 300,000 users. How does that reconcile... How can they do that much research and not slice and dice the resulting data to reveal the top 10-20 features/functions desired and used, then make a detailed plan for its implementation ensuring whilst ever possible a coherent/consistent experience... and come on 3 months to do a plan... what a lot of BS. 1-3 days to get all the items mapped in a think tank, and entered into a project plan. Seems my vent/rant continues 😉
  11. 7 points
    I watched the Ian Small video like many of you did and my takeaway is that power-users don't much matter to them. There is a sense in which they have come out with an entirely new product, and they will build that one up to add a few features here and there, but it will never reach the level of the legacy version. Power-users are too demanding, too fussy, and probably consist of that now famous "2 percent". Of course, power-users are most likely the ones to pay the $90 Cdn/year for their pro version, some of us with multiple pro-versions. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. Any company that puts out a version like this one without any kind of extensive communication about its limitations (imagine business users' surprise!) deserves the ire it gets. Evernote may prove me wrong in the upcoming year, and I hope it does, but the disregard and disrespect they showed long-term pro users will always be remembered.
  12. 7 points
    Hmmn. I agree with half that statement. My frustration with everyone's negative reaction so far has been that early adopters, who had an option, (with the exception of iOS) still chose to update to the latest shiny new version - and then complain that it doesn't work the same way as the old one. There's a Legacy version guys (and gals) - go reinstall that (unless you're an iPhone user) and go back to the interface you knew - and (apparently) hated less. See: I have tasks to get done. They're independent of apps, which I use to make my life easier. Tasks are depressingly consistent. Apps tend to come and go according to the whims and finances of their individual business interests that (quite properly) totally ignore my situation in any decision making process. When - and it's always when, not if - an app changes, I need to find a way around that issue so I can get back to my tasks. I'll either change my workflow, or I'll change the app. That's it. No other choices, no winging that the app provider has failed to meet my expectations... well, not much anyway. Those nasty task thingies are still hanging around, and it's going to be me on the firing line if they don't get processed. I need to choose better apps. Before I get the old 'fanboi!' reaction - I'm not defending Evernote here in any way. I think that Ian Small (the man in the 'buck stops here' desk) has presided over the worst bit of user support in Evernote's not particularly impressive history. He presents - in another third party video* - the reassuring news that launching the new app was not the aim of their re-coding exercise. This is just the first step in recreating the full Evernote experience from the ground up. More and more legacy features plus new shiny ones will be released during this year. That should have been on the table before the launch - and definitely before the very basic new app dropped on iOS. But. We are where we are. I'll not pretend I'm not also evaluating alternatives, but I'm staying with Evernote - I may even renew my subscription again - whilst continuing to hit tasks with my Legacy Evernote. I look forward to more updates with interest and hope. * Someone else flagged this new video - sorry I forgot to link back to that...
  13. 7 points
    It's really sad. I started my migration plan. And I believe, I'm not alone on this.
  14. 6 points
    Dear Evernote, After 8 years...it's time for us to break up. You've changed so much that I don't even recognize you. You used to be so helpful all the time. You were quick to respond to my every request. No you barely acknowledge me and spend most of the time spinning. My new boyfriend OneNote is in the process of collecting my belongings from you. Sincerely, Your crushed Ex
  15. 6 points
    Popping in with one more thought: the most important issue not raised in this interview may have been communication. Podcast interviews a couple of weeks after the fact are not satisfactory. Everything said here could have been summarized in the release notes or some obvious communication. Why wait till people are hopping up and down to tell them everything's going to be OK?
  16. 6 points
    <rant> The Evernote Team is not "out to get us". Maintaining 6 unique native code bases (Android, iOS, Mac, Windows, Web, sync platform) is INCREDIBLY HARD. Feature sets diverge between all platforms, angering users. Pace of innovation slows, angering users. Technical debt inevitably builds, but now you have 6 unique sources of varying technical debt. As a result - bug fixing pace slows, angering users. Meanwhile Evernote is a business, and it has to be sustainable. Every company eventually reaches the "we have to make significant upgrades to our aging platform / approach if we're going to make it" phase. Many companies throw in the towel at this point. Evernote is fighting through this phase. Hard choices will have to be made. But I for one am glad they are fighting through this and trying to come out the other end. Hard choices mean some features will get left behind. I might love feature X - but if the data says it is not widely used, or it is too cost-prohibitive to include - Evernote might have to cut it. I might hate that decision. I might join the forums and try to rally support from fellow users to demonstrate to Evernote that the return on supporting the feature is worth the investment. This new data may help Evernote prioritize the feature now or later down the road - or they might still have to cut it in the name of creating a long-term viable platform. But if you think the people at Evernote are happy to reduce any features that users find helpful, then you need to think again. No software developer wants to make software less useful for users. But the entire company going out of business because the software was unsustainable helps no one. It bugs me when people on this forum ***** on the people of Evernote. One can say "It is incredibly short-sighted to leave out feature X because of A, B, and C". But saying things like "user-hostile behavior" and "shame on us" (as if the Evernote team is trying to purposely trick us) I'm sure destroys the morale of the people (like you and me) working at Evernote trying their best to deliver for as many users as they can while having to make incredibly difficult choices. If Evernote doesn't strike the right balance, then people will leave and that is the risk the people of Evernote must face. Let's work together (as a user forum) to boost the signal on the things we think are important, and be prepared to walk away if it doesn't work out. But constantly challenging the intent of the Evernote team ultimately helps no one. </rant>
  17. 5 points
    Need to have the multi tab feature Please. like the last version
  18. 5 points
    This new version of Evernote, released only days after iOS14 came out (I ran betas of iOS14 before the main release) seems to be a disaster. Once again, they seem to be unable to get it right before a major release (this has been the case for years - I've been a Premium subscriber almost from the beginning of Evernote). Either their beta testers just don't pick up these bugs, or the coders don't fix them. And once again, they change stuff for the sake of changing it - like the Clipper, which now doesn't seem to work at all. See separate thread on Saving to Evernote from iOS. Mine simply doesn't work. No clipped note. Zero. And this is a disaster for me as I source information from both the web browser (Safari) and Flipboard constantly. I can't do that with this new version on iOS14. I don't know if the problem is Evernote, or iOS14, or most likely both together. But iOS14 has been in the works for months, with lots of beta testers, so I can't imagine that the Evernote coding team didn't have access to iOS14. So - how can I downgrade my iOS Evernote back to the previous version, which worked just fine?
  19. 5 points
    So tags moved to the bottom in V10 EN since not that many people used them and they were occupying valuable real estate. And it is important to have the same essence whenever you crack open EN on whatever platform. I guess the IOS team didn't get the message. I don't have a Windows (not installing that for a while) or Mac V10 clip as they follow the browser. I'd just as soon not have the IOS screenshot from my phone but that's another story. A bit of a snark but also a bit of humor. We 2% taggers are like that. “When making experiences, attention to detail matters.” – Richard Branson, Founder of Virgin
  20. 5 points
    This is an issue that appeared after receiving the v10.1 update. Now once the program is running I can click on the taskbar icon and it opens back to where I was last focused. However, if I, instead, double click a desktop icon or launch from the start menu (and the program is already running) it opens on a window inside the program headed SHARED WITH ME rather than the notebook I was previously inside. Apart from being immensely frustrating I suspect that it isn't common otherwise I'm sure there would be lots of comments reporting it or similar. I've tried completely uninstalling and reinstalling but still get this issue. Anyone any insight or suggestions. Steps to reproduce. 1. Start Evernote 10.1.x and access your desired notebook. 2. Minimise the program. 3. Double click the desktop icon or open from the start menu. 4. EN opens and jumps onto Shared With Me list. 5. Reselect the working notebook. 6. Minimise EN 7. Open the program by clicking on the taskbar icon and return to the working notebook.
  21. 5 points
    Is This a Better Experience? There are now some markdown shortcuts that will be easy once I learn them. I do like the look of the editor. I haven't yet had a chance to test search very extensively but I have noticed some performance issues. The iOS version is still an absolute mess. I like the new look of the Editor here, but what does it offer except colors and standardized header sizes? Text boxes? Mix of handwriting and text? Ability to view .pdfs in-line? No, no, no. Other than a prettier editor, I don’t see any real advantages in the new Evernote. In fact, there is much more to dislike. There are lots of cosmetic things they could have done to make Evernote look better without changing changing its base functionality. This reminds me of when Apple rebuilt iWork. However, when this was done, they really revamped the workings of the apps and you got a collaborative experience in return. I don’t see that users get anything here other than some cosmetic changes. Search is “better”? Search was already great, this wasn’t a “feature” requested by users. They wanted, and still want, a more capable and modern application. Let’s compare Evernote with free Apple Notes: Feature Apple Notes Evernote Comments Editor Great Ok The Evernote editor lacks shortcuts. Other than standardizing font sizes, it isn’t much of an improvement over its predecessor, and many features have disappeared. Handwriting Great Horrible Annotation Great on iOS and Desktop Ok on desktop, horrible on iOS Apple annotation includes text, drawing, and signature support. Tables Great on all platforms Exists only on Desktop. Evernote is better on Mac. Evernote for iOS has a “button” for adding a table but it isn’t actually functional. Evernote does have colors! Search OCR OCR Apple seems to process and index new images faster than Evernote. Evernote retains the advantage of saved searches. Apple breaks up searches into categories Drawing Drawing tools, Scribble, Horrible and non-functional at launch. Ugly and difficult. It apparently aspires to an infinite canvas. Why Evernote would launch an app with fundamentally broken features is beyond me. It is not confidence-inspiring. Speed Fantastic Ok, but behind Notes Apple Notes benefits from tight integration with iOS, use of Share Sheet, Add to an existing note Yes No This is actually a great feature in real world use when you are adding to an existing note. Evernote allows for merging of notes, but this is often less desirable than adding to an existing note. Note Links Good but a bit hard to get to Very good, but the new version has made internal links less accessible. Save an email Yes but not obvious. Easy, Mail in This is an area where Evernote is ahead… for now. Managing pdfs Great, inline viewing, annotation Terrible, images are sometimes wrong size, annotation is bad in iOS, pdfs are hidden unless clicked on This should be Evernote’s core competency. It is actually getting worse! Tags No Yes Although this is an Evernote “win”, inexplicably, rather than improving their tag system a la Bear, Evernote have made it harder to access. Bizarre: this is one of their key features for paying power users. They could have further differentiated themselves but instead chose to make notebooks the centerpiece of organization like Apple Notes or OneNote Outlining Great in iOS and on Mac Great on Mac, but no mechanism for moving outline elements in iOS Again, you would think this should be an Evernote core competency. Yet, other than now treating outline elements as blocks, Evernote haven't added any features in years. Each version of Apple Notes keeps adding substantial improvements. Note Appearance Good Good + Colors Password Protect a Note Yes No After a decade of requests to Evernote, nothing.... Evernote Should Be Better! Evernote should win this race easily. It charges for this service! It has an enormous base of committed users. It should have better search. OCR appears to have gotten worse. Indeed I am running old and new versions concurrently and, to my shock, I get better search results with the old version! It should be faster (the new versions have performance issues, software bugs, and you spend a lot of time looking at a spinning circles!!!!!) It should take advantage of the unique capabilities of the platforms it sits on, like Apple Pencil. It should have lots of outlining capabilities. This should BE Evernote's core competency: Toggle Outlines Multi-column outlines. Convert from a table to an outline. Some database capabilities. Project outlining mind mapping Kanban boards iOS should be just as capable as desktop! Outlining Evernote should keep up with OS capabilities. E.g., iOS 14: iOS Widgets? Scribble support? Currently you need to actually disable Scribble to allow the Apple Pencil to function at all. Evernote should have GREAT export options: The ability to Print!!!! (I didn't know this was a "feature" since the 1980s!) PDF export with ability to see page cutoffs Docx export Convert to PowerPoint Yes, you should be able to password protect a note. Evernote should enhance the security of note transmission and storage. Evernote should communicate to users what they are doing and what they aren't doing. None of these features are new requests. Users have gone for 5 years without nearly ANYTHING being checked off the list. At least we deserve to hear what their plan is for future development. Mr. Small's recent statements that features are being eliminated because Evernote discovered that only 5% of users utilize "feature X" probably stems from two main sources: Non-paying users comprise a large portion of the customer base, and they most likely aren't dependent on the deeper features of the app. Some features, like Tags, aren't used that much because, in previous versions of Evernote they have been implemented inconsistently across platforms. For instance, I would have preferred a tag-based system, but I eventually converted to using Notebooks because a hierarchical view of Tags did not exist in iOS where I do much of my work. This doesn't prove that the feature wasn't desirable, it just proves that users won't work with a half-assed implementation. Instead, much of what users did do with tags (e.g., color coding) has been disabled. This update was an opportunity for Evernote to show users a more effective way to utilize tags.... Fail. Maybe this will get better over time, however, I don't see the CEO communicating anything but happy talk about how spectacular it is that they have migrated the code base, and that we will be "amazed" next year. The last time we heard this, the great new "feature" the Company rolled out was the redesign of the "Mads the Elephant" logo, which they have referred to as "rebranding." Not a good sign.
  22. 5 points
    On that 2% thing... I'd love to know how precisely the stats they have were obtained, because there's always that "lies, darned lies, and (misinterpreted) statistics" thing. I used to work in Insurance as an Underwriter (like Xena, I have many talents) - one of the guys who guess how likely it is that something bad is likely to happen. We used to have conversations about costs and numbers that would bore drying paint. And the thing is: a lot of people sometimes get their sums very wrong. Evernote forinstance has (say) 250 MILLION users. If only 2% of them use tags, that's still 5 million users. Or maybe we took a measure of users who've regularly accessed the account - say 10% of the total - and it's 2% of them who use tags. OK, we're now down to 500,000 users - but I'd bet a larger than normal proportion of them are also subscribers. Annoying a large number of (currently) paying users is not good business practice. The fact that Evernote has such a large group of users from around the world means their stats are full of 'random noise' - tens of millions of random 'domestic' users opening the app, adding a few notes, and accessing some arbitrary features. Alongside that are hundreds of thousands of 'serious' users who have person- or business-critical workflows and who use their 5% of the features intensively. The serious users' activities would get drowned out by the domestic ones and appear to be only a small factor; but those are the users - including many of the contributors here - who pay the bills. Just sayin'. 🤔
  23. 5 points
    Unlikely to bother anyone on here, given that most will be premium users already. But it feels a bit tin eared to make this change now when the new version is so troubled. If the idea is to prompt more people to pay a sub, is this really the right moment to make them make a decision one way or another?
  24. 5 points
    Maybe they need to add a "lite" pay level. I dont use the app enough to validate paying the fee. All of the other paid benefits do nothing for me aside from being able to use the web interface on my work computer where I cant install anything.
  25. 5 points
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gz0mxGC4-0. 00:00 Introduction 02:01 Why Ian Small joined Evernote 04:56 Why did it take so long to get the new framework of Evernote right 13:47 What is "Electron Apps" 17:50 Missing Features: Harmonization of Evernote experience between different platforms 22:21 Missing Features: Decision-making process on what features to bring back first 26:32 Evernote Desktop: How to open two notes next to each other (Why tabs are missing) 28:12 Difference between Checklists and Checkboxes 32:27 How to Markdown in Evernote 33:08 Why are tags placed differently now 35:17 Idea on how to add tags or crosslinks easily to inline text 36:34 Evernote vs Notion vs RoamResearch: Reminding vs Thinking 41:03 How Evernote could become the best knowledge manager 42:33 Note-taking vs Knowledge Management vs Task Management 47:27 Future outlook next months and years to come 50:01 Evernote's New Search functionalities 52:42 Ian's message to my community 54:42 Ian commits to next interview in January 2021 discussing new features 55:15 My Summary and final thoughts
  26. 5 points
    I've contributed to various threads about how the new search system works. There are however a number of issues which I, and other people, think need to be addressed beyond "it's different". This is my attempt to pull together all those issues. If I've missed anything (and I'm sure I will have done) then please post a reply. I'm hoping that the promised replacement of ctrl-Q will address some of the issues. Delay (up to 3 minutes was quoted in the beta) before changes to notes (including tags) are reflected in search Search results are not dynamic. Unlike the legacy version if you change a note so that it no longer meets the search criteria it is not removed. No search refresh to compensate for this You can save a search but not a filter even if they are identical There is no filter in the filter menu for notebooks although they behave like filters in the search menu Stacks can only be searched for using the undocumented advanced search syntax stack: You cannot find any of a list of search terms without using search syntax. i.e. you only get notes that contain all the search terms The number of filters that come up in the search suggestion list are very limited (only 2), compared with 6 wild guesses of where you might want to "goto". Once you have selected one filter you do get a longer list of relevant filters. You cannot easily (ie no suggestions and you have to use the search syntax) add a filter after you have added search text. You can use the filter menu to do this The filter menu has all possible filters even if they are not relevant to the current note list. The search bar on the other hand does only include relevant tags The filter menu has tags within the hierarchy with no option for a simple alphabetical list The inclusion of the list of suggested searches should be an option (never helps me) Cannot easily reset a search. Need to either clear the filters and then manually delete the text or click off search to a notebook or all notes and then back into search The search bar generally ignores punctuation marks etc at the beginning of tags. e.g. I have a few very important tags that begin with $ Clicking on a tag in the sidebar filters on the tag and all the child tags which for me always results in no results.
  27. 5 points
    I think the pretty highlighter colors is the killer new feature 🤣
  28. 5 points
    Maybe they need to fix the note sharing features first so they can learn from each other's mistakes! 🤣
  29. 5 points
    In theory, I absolutely agree, and in the last year I have rebuilt my workflow so that I can live (work) without Evernote, as it was becoming clear that the development has changed direction. In this special case, I still hold a grudge, because I used to love that app so much. It was such an effortless way to collect, file, organize and archive everything I need. It matched my way of thinking, if you know what I mean. Now for a while, with every update they change or take away things that came naturally to me. My subscription runs until July next year, and I still hope against hope that something changes for the better.
  30. 5 points
    hello, i downgraded the new version of evernote 10.10 to the version 7.9 it's the wisest decision ever .. the new version is useless .. you can think that they changed the hole concept of the application Evernote is gone ..
  31. 5 points
    Fully concur but this still would be only a second best solution. In the year 2020, it should be an absolute no-brainer that a professional software with a considerable subscription fee has the ability not only to turn the spellchecker on/off, but also to check syntax and grammar in multiple languages. Most freeware is able to do this. It is really ridiculous that users have to ask for this "feature".
  32. 5 points
    Thanks, @RavBoy for doing all this. He pretty much lost me at, WE DON'T PLAN! When I first started programming on my Apple IIe, I brought up a code window and started typing. But, once I was actually programming for money, and the program was bigger than displaying Hello World on the screen, you planned. Meticulously and at great length. And if planning took three months, that was part of the SDLC. The plan was part of the plan. We don't plan? Well, that's pretty obvious.
  33. 5 points
    Why didn't Evernote finish building this new version before releasing it? I have managed to go back to an older version to get the full functionality back. I will also look at alternatives.
  34. 5 points
    Evernote offers a Legacy version Here for Windows and Mac platforms I'm using the Mac version (7.14.1)
  35. 5 points
    So three hundred thousand people didn't want to sort search results on IOS and were okay with a three minute lag for an update to appear in search results in general. Good to know.
  36. 5 points
    I'm as pissed as everyone else, and really angry at Evernote for putting out this version without FULL details (surely they must have expected this blow-back), BUT, now that they have their 2 years worth of work leveling out the playing field across all platforms, which is what they said their intention was, I'm still willing to hang around for a bit and wait for all the missing features to be implemented. I mean at the end of the day, their BIG mistake was to put this out now instead of waiting until all they implemented all the features. So I'll hang on the older version and give them a bit of time to do their work. Yes, the screwed up big time with this, but it really was just an error of releasing too early. At least that's what I hope.
  37. 5 points
    This sadly doesn't seem to be a new version of Evernote. It is an entirely different product that has access to our Evernote data in the cloud, but bears little resemblance in functionality to the Windows version of Evernote. So many features missing. This is worse than the iOS version, which, after being in the beta for a few weeks, opted out, installed Evernote 8.x from the App Store, then turned off automatic updates. So much is broken. No import folders? No global note shortcut keys? This is unusable to anyone that has used Evernote for over a decade. ☹️
  38. 4 points
    Hi @Nuno Saraiva No, given your scenario, that would count as only two devices. The Web Client is counted as 1 device, irrespective of the physical device or browser it's used on. Hope this helps to clarify!
  39. 4 points
    Is This a Better Experience? There are now some markdown shortcuts that will be easy once I learn them. I do like the look of the editor. I haven't yet had a chance to test search very extensively but I have noticed some performance issues. The iOS version is still an absolute mess. I like the new look of the Editor here, but what does it offer except colors and standardized header sizes? Text boxes? Mix of handwriting and text? Ability to view .pdfs in-line? No, no, no. Other than a prettier editor, I don’t see any real advantages in the new Evernote. In fact, there is much more to dislike. There are lots of cosmetic things they could have done to make Evernote look better without changing changing its base functionality. This reminds me of when Apple rebuilt iWork. However, when this was done, they really revamped the workings of the apps and you got a collaborative experience in return. I don’t see that users get anything here other than some cosmetic changes. Search is “better”? Search was already great, this wasn’t a “feature” requested by users. They wanted, and still want, a more capable and modern application. Let’s compare Evernote with free Apple Notes: Feature Apple Notes Evernote Comments Editor Great Ok The Evernote editor lacks shortcuts. Other than standardizing font sizes, it isn’t much of an improvement over its predecessor, and many features have disappeared. Handwriting Great Horrible Annotation Great on iOS and Desktop Ok on desktop, horrible on iOS Apple annotation includes text, drawing, and signature support. Tables Great on all platforms Exists only on Desktop. Evernote is better on Mac. Evernote for iOS has a “button” for adding a table but it isn’t actually functional. Evernote does have colors! Search OCR OCR Apple seems to process and index new images faster than Evernote. Evernote retains the advantage of saved searches. Apple breaks up searches into categories Drawing Drawing tools, Scribble, Horrible and non-functional at launch. Ugly and difficult. It apparently aspires to an infinite canvas. Why Evernote would launch an app with fundamentally broken features is beyond me. It is not confidence-inspiring. Speed Fantastic Ok, but behind Notes Apple Notes benefits from tight integration with iOS, use of Share Sheet, Add to an existing note Yes No This is actually a great feature in real world use when you are adding to an existing note. Evernote allows for merging of notes, but this is often less desirable than adding to an existing note. Note Links Good but a bit hard to get to Very good, but the new version has made internal links less accessible. Save an email Yes but not obvious. Easy, Mail in This is an area where Evernote is ahead… for now. Managing pdfs Great, inline viewing, annotation Terrible, images are sometimes wrong size, annotation is bad in iOS, pdfs are hidden unless clicked on This should be Evernote’s core competency. It is actually getting worse! Tags No Yes Although this is an Evernote “win”, inexplicably, rather than improving their tag system a la Bear, Evernote have made it harder to access. Bizarre: this is one of their key features for paying power users. They could have further differentiated themselves but instead chose to make notebooks the centerpiece of organization like Apple Notes or OneNote Outlining Great in iOS and on Mac Great on Mac, but no mechanism for moving outline elements in iOS Again, you would think this should be an Evernote core competency. Yet, other than now treating outline elements as blocks, Evernote haven't added any features in years. Each version of Apple Notes keeps adding substantial improvements. Note Appearance Good Good + Colors Password Protect a Note Yes No After a decade of requests to Evernote, nothing.... Evernote Should Be Better! Evernote should win this race easily. It charges for this service! It has an enormous base of committed users. It should have better search. OCR appears to have gotten worse. Indeed I am running old and new versions concurrently and, to my shock, I get better search results with the old version! It should be faster (the new versions have performance issues, software bugs, and you spend a lot of time looking at a spinning circles!!!!!) It should take advantage of the unique capabilities of the platforms it sits on, like Apple Pencil. It should have lots of outlining capabilities. This should BE Evernote's core competency: Toggle Outlines Multi-column outlines. Convert from a table to an outline. Some database capabilities. Project outlining mind mapping Kanban boards iOS should be just as capable as desktop! Outlining Evernote should keep up with OS capabilities. E.g., iOS 14: iOS Widgets? Scribble support? Currently you need to actually disable Scribble to allow the Apple Pencil to function at all. Evernote should have GREAT export options: The ability to Print!!!! (I didn't know this was a "feature" since the 1980s!) PDF export with ability to see page cutoffs Docx export Convert to PowerPoint Yes, you should be able to password protect a note. Evernote should enhance the security of note transmission and storage. Evernote should communicate to users what they are doing and what they aren't doing. None of these features are new requests. Users have gone for 5 years without nearly ANYTHING being checked off the list. At least we deserve to hear what their plan is for future development. Mr. Small's statements that only 5% of users utilize "feature X" probably stems from two main sources: As another commentator noted, non-paying users comprise a large portion of the customer base, and they most likely aren't dependent on the deeper features of the app. Some features, like Tags, aren't used that much because, in previous versions of Evernote they have been implemented inconsistently across platforms. For instance, I would have preferred a tag-based system, but I eventually converted to using Notebooks because a hierarchical view of Tags did not exist in iOS where I do much of my work. This doesn't prove that the feature wasn't desirable, it just proves that users won't work with a half-assed implementation. This update was an opportunity for Evernote to show users a more effective way to utilize tags.... Meh. I am still hoping Evernote can pull themselves together. The thought of transferring thousands of notes and upending my workflow is daunting. But, I've already started using other apps, especially in iOS, to make up for the fact that key features simply don't work in Evernote. As my base of notes grows elsewhere, the likelihood that I will continue using Evernote diminishes....
  40. 4 points
    Dear Evernote Team, thank you for continuing to evolve my potentially most cherished piece of software. However, the new v10 I just installed is annoyingly hard to use, because all interactions are so slow: Clicking on anything is no longer snappy like in typical desktop apps, but rather a slow and laggy experience, and I see the dreaded spinning wheel everywhere, e.g., just by switching between notes. Luckily we can roll back to the v7 client for now, but I hope this can be solved and the UI made fluid and usable, as this version of Evernote is, I am sorry to say, 100% unusable to me. Looking forward to a version that is lag-free!
  41. 4 points
    You don't. Their help sais you turn it of in system. But in my system settings it is turned off. My OS is english language but I write in another. So, all my notes are red. If every other program has posibility to turn of spellcheck, evernote had it before, why in the world not now??? Plus other features that are missing. This is totaly crazy. Don't understand them why they are breaking things that were working. Unistaled v10 and went back to legacy version. Did they decide to ruin the company? What's the bussines plan with letting app like this out? Since I am sure legacy version will not get anymore bug fixes and will most likely in future loose sync possibility with database and v10 is simply out of question, its time to look for alternatives and move on. Really loved it.
  42. 4 points
    As one of those native English speakers in the U.S., I agree with these perspectives. Programmers who come out of the giant monolingual bubble of the U.S. are likely to fail to understand how things work elsewhere in the world, as also evidenced by the posts here regarding spell-checking for people who use more than one language, not just the Windows system language. I used to teach Greek classes in a theological seminary, where the U.S.-born students were often very anxious about learning a "foreign language," let alone an ancient one. Invariably there would be one or two students from African countries in the class, and I would ask them how many languages they could speak. 4 or 5 was the typical answer. I tried to use this to encourage the worried students that knowing and using more than one language is a normal human experience. Even in the U.S., Native Americans in the state of New Mexico, for instance, ordinarily use 3 languages: Tewa or another indigenous language, Spanish, and English. Sorry for the thread drift! I think that @Vitaliy Grinchuk and @PinkElephant are pointing out significant issues for a program used internationally but developed primarily by monolingual English speakers.
  43. 4 points
    Having worked at a publicly traded company for a number of years, I can attest that Board pressures are real! I think about the only thing we can do at this point is watch and note (in version 6, haha) what happens while continuing to test other app candidates out there. Incidentally, if anyone is on Reddit, there's some chatter there which might be worth following too, like this thread:
  44. 4 points
    Still with the socks... This is probably true - ...but I still find the implied attitude annoying - this release has been pretty much without any information or support for users. Good for those who liked it, but those who found the furniture rearranged and a situation like "why do I have no bathroom now!" are expected to wait, patiently, until the shiny new bathroom (or whatever) gets delivered...
  45. 4 points
    I sent an email to Nimbus and got a response from the founder within 4 hours. Not bad. The essence of the response (my bolding): Thank you for your question and for drawing our attention to this matter. It seems that our lawyers proposed the wording, which can be misunderstood. First of all, we will change the statement and review the whole Terms section since we don't use users' data for any other purposes than providing a service. Secondly, the main idea behind the statement was to simplify the interaction between users and Nimbus. We have many features and are adding new ones for collaboration between users, adding information from different sources via embeds, links, etc. Many scenarios appear when users manage their data (I'd like to emphasize that data belong to users), and all of them should be reflected in the terms. You can find similar statements in the terms of other similar products with better derivatization. Our lawyers have chosen the easiest way to mitigate risks by using the statement you saw. It's totally wrong, so this point has been already removed. Definitely, it's our responsibility to check such things, and we failed there. I am sorry to see that users have found such mistakes while we were working in other directions following one of the most strict compliance - Educational. You can check that on another page https://nimbusweb.me/security.php The Legal Language is a completely different beast, and we will pay extra attention to the sections created a long time ago. Our Next Steps: Remove the statement which is opposite to the real situation (already done); Update the terms section to ensure users are well informed about all the permissions they grant to us to provide a service.
  46. 4 points
    Maybe I missed it as I bounced around, thank you @DTLow for the markers, but I didn't hear any recognition of the lack of communicating how much function had been removed from the V10 apps prior to folks updating, IOS in particular. That would be a nice touch. And relative to the logic to move tags to the bottom of the screen, what exactly took over that valuable real estate at the top? And if 98% of your users are notebook users why the dismissal of nested notebooks since dirt was brown? Crock. It's hard to earn back trust once you lose it.
  47. 4 points
    Understood. However, I think the more intense/power users are also more likely to be or become Premium users, while the more casual or occasional users will stay at the free level. Not that I know this for sure, just speculating.
  48. 4 points
    Which is all fine and the company's right as it is their decision to pick which markets in which to compete. My issue is features have been cut with little to no communications at all. I downloaded IOS V10 on my phone and now EN is useless there. I can search for things but all I get is a blob of notes that I have to scroll through, no value. Had I had a heads up I would never have upgraded on the phone. I didn't spend 30 minutes on V10 for Windows as again, I simply could not get any of my usual workflow done in anything approaching a reasonable time frame. Thankfully it was easy to go back. Add to all this that EN V10 is slower with a buggy sync. I must be in the 1% in multiple areas, does that make me a 5%er? Interesting the number of Premium subscribers not typically seen but who are contributing to the forums these days. They are probably some other 1%ers I suppose. Can't quite tell but it seems EN's core market now leans to the note taker end of the spectrum EN has lost some of its luster as a productivity app, it's just too hard to get things done. EN did a great job in helping me get paperless and became the hub for my tasks and all. My note count has grown to over 50k in the process due to the focus. Hopeful that some of the good stuff comes back before 6.25 sunsets. Relocating 50k notes is not something I want to do.
  49. 4 points
    I articulated this in the beta forums and am re-adding here to allow for voting up of the feature for those who agree with me. I very much dislike the added step of having to click a note link, then click the link again in the menu that appears. Adds all kinds of extra clicks to my workflow. I'm aware that Command+Click will open the link in a new window (and bypass the click on the drop down URL that appears). This is an ok workaround for external note links (out to the web, for example) but not at all what I'm after for internal note links (I don't want them to open in a new window, I want to go straight to the note inside Evernote). I want the efficiency back of single clicking on a note link and having it either: Immediately launch the external link Navigate to the note I'm internally linking to
  50. 4 points
    You can still download the legacy version of our apps here and have them installed side by side: https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314
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