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Increase notebook limit

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I've already read the multitude of posts on this topic. I've been an Evernote user since the beginning and I've always thought it was a great product. As soon as I thought of a feature, the Evernote folks have already been cooking it up. Recently I ran up against the notebook limit, I contacted customer support and they gave my the "you should use tags instead" line. I am a Developer myself, and while I do not purport to know how Evernote is built or the whoas of maintaining a system with so many users, I can't imagine any reason why arbitrarily setting a limit of 250 notebooks, improves system performance or usability. It seems that a decision was made that people should use tags rather than notebooks without any regard for how current users prefer to work. In particular, the fact that I choose to be a premium user and and still limited to 250 notebooks seems absurd. At least choose a number that very few people would run up against like 1000, or make the free limit 100 and the premium limit 1000, that way if the limit really bothers someone it will incentivize them to pay for your service. 

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10 hours ago, tavor said:

Depends on your use case. If you describe it, perhaps we can help you figure out a way to use tags in lieu of notebooks. 

If you are dead set on notebooks, there's nothing you can do to change the limit, so it's either combine notebooks (and have a coarser organization of notes), maintain multiple accounts, or switch to another app.

I'm closing in on 4k notes and have 5 notebooks which are based on access (local, synced, shared, offline), not content.

This is a features request thread. That's why I'm here. I was referred by an Evernote "Expert." If I thought tags would suit my needs I wouldn't be asking.

I have almost 30,000 notes. I need more than 250 notebooks.

I've also asked several times what would be the effect of my archiving or deleting notebooks. I wish people would answer my questions instead of preaching the value of tags at me. 

 

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I am absolutely seething about this.  I'm heavily invested in Evernote at this point as far as time and resources that it took to restructure my law practice.  I'm a sole practitioner and don't have an IT department on deck.  So the choice is to stick with 250 notebooks or make another leap to "business application" for $14.99 a month? But wait --- I was considering that until I saw two person minimum which means about $30 bucks a month.   It's really unacceptable.  This is not a free application.   I have a fear that if Evernote doesn't listen to its customer base for something so essential like this, the company will go the way of Gavel and Gown -- their once flagship product for lawyers Amicus Attorney eventually faded into obscurity because it failed to address the needs of its paying customer base.  I'm seriously going to have a look at Microsoft One Note again -- I'm wondering if that product also has such a limit. 

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4 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Agreed

>>that cross notebooks.

I see this as a benefit, but not as a restriction.

I use them when they are appropriate. They aren't always.  I am not going to defend the way I use Evernote. Several times in this forum, I have encountered people who are more interested in defending Evernote than listening to users' concerns.

But I do have to laugh at the cheery Evernote blog articles that tell you how flexible Evernote is. This 250 notebook maximum is a serious limitation. 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, michaelzapun said:

So the choice is to stick with 250 notebooks or make another leap to "business application" for $14.99 a month?

Or use another method to organize/archive your data.

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44 minutes ago, Etonreve said:

Several times in this forum, I have encountered people who are more interested in defending Evernote than listening to users' concerns.

I'm sorry if my posts appeared that way to you.  My intention is to assist in the use of the product, and to correct misinformation.

If a user posted about the difficulties of hammering screws, I'd point out better methods.  It's not that I'm  defending hammers or screws :)

Several times in this forum, I have encountered people who are more interested in defending their methods than listening to alternatives

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On 5/16/2018 at 10:42 AM, Rey San Pascual said:

For those who can live with less than 250 notebooks, it's perfectly usable. For those like me who are needing more than 250 notebooks at this point, Evernote is less than perfectly usable. If the 250 maximum notebook limit is arbitrarily set by Evernote when it was increased from the also presumably arbitrary limit of 100 notebooks, then Evernote can arbitrarily increase it again.

I don't see anyone arguing that that Evernote isn't usable with the 250 notebook limit. I do see people requesting that Evernote's usability be enhanced by increasing the notebook limit.

My other recommendation in the mean time to help users still under 250 notebook limit is to set a flag or warning or message at some arbitrary point when a user has created a certain number of notebooks, perhaps at 125 notebooks and again at 200 notebooks. People have pointed out that the limits are published and available. But either I didn't read that part or glossed over it during my learning curve. I placed a lot of thought in how I arranged and structured my information. A reminder of the limit would have been helpful so that I could have adjusted my information map a lot earlier on to account for the limit than having to deal with the limit at a time when I need to create my 251st notebook. And I'm not going to start a new thread/request on this idea. I'll let an Evernote employee do it if they want to; I'm busy trying to deal with the 250 notebook limit.

 

3 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Or use another method to organize/archive your data.

HI DTLow.  Easier said than done since as I said, I'm heavily invested in the notebook (and notebook stack) hierarchy.  But you are right about using another method.  I'm exploring migrating to OneNote. :)

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12 hours ago, TK0047 said:

Are there any notebooks that can be combined because they are similar in nature? What is your notebook structure? 250 is a lot of notebooks for sure for me at least. 

I'm happy for you that 250 notebooks are more than sufficient and that relying primarily on tags works for you. But I'm not you and I am not alone in this preference for notebooks.

One day, Evernote is going to make a wonderful case study in how not to respond to customers. First, it was the way the price hike was handled, now, it's fighting people who want to use the product in a way that is natural and common sense. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Etonreve said:

I've also asked several times what would be the effect of my archiving or deleting notebooks.

I don't recall the discussions on "effect of my archiving or deleting notebooks"

Evernote doesn't have an archiving feature.  The best I can do is exclude notes from searches using negation.

I also prefix Notebook names with an x. They are still in the list but they sort to the bottom.

Deleting notebooks also deletes the notes.

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5 hours ago, kinshuk4 said:

When using web clipper for Evernote, if we have a right notebook selected, we don't have to use a mouse at all, but when we use tags, we have to definitely use a mouse. 

This isn't a web clipper discussion, but personally I clip into my default notebook (@Inbox) with no tags.
Notebook and tag assignment come later when I process my inbox(es)

I have minimal notebooks (I use tags for organization) so its quite easy to have the right notebook selected.  I suspect this wouldn't happen often with many notebooks

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15 minutes ago, DTLow said:

I'm sorry if my posts appeared that way to you.  My intention is to assist in the use of the product, and to correct misinformation.

If you posted about the difficulties of hammering screws, I'd point out better methods.  I wouldn't be defending hammers or screws :)

If I'm asking why I don't have the number of wood 2x4s I need, please don't tell me that number provided is just fine and I can manage by patching together smaller planks or that I can read up on using plastic as an alternative. The company should supply more wood. 

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45 minutes ago, Etonreve said:

If I'm asking why I don't have the number of wood 2x4s I need, please don't tell me that number provided is just fine and I can manage by patching together smaller planks or that I can read up on using plastic as an alternative. The company should supply more wood. 

Like the IKEA package that comes with all sorts of parts to be assembled.

I can see needing extra parts if you're using parts differently than intended.
I usually go with the Connect A to B instructions; not that I'm defending Ikea 

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1 hour ago, DTLow said:

This isn't a web clipper discussion, but personally I clip into my default notebook (@Inbox) with no tags.
Notebook and tag assignment come later when I process my inbox(es)
Also, I have minimal notebooks; I use tags for organization

Hi DTLow, thank you for the suggestion. I am also not talking just about web clipper - I am talking about ease the notebook gives in comparison to tag where you can clip the whole page by just using the keyboard itself - i.e. press "`" and then "enter" and your page is saved in the notebook. For the tag, you have to use a mouse and enter the tag name and click "save".  This is about convenience - I prefer using a keyboard than a mouse, most of the time. As I use it, in this way also notebook gives more convenience. So, to sum it up, this about notebook vs tags - but maybe in the context of web clipper. I hope I have clarified my point to you :) 

Also, for me, I prefer to go to the notebook where I have saved the note, rather than using a process of saving everything to inbox and then editting it by adding the respective tags and notebook. I personally feel 250 is too small a limit. Those who question so many notebooks and tell it is cluttery, I personally feel can be questioned as well for so many tags :D 

If there is no support for some decent number of notebooks, maybe then I have to also adapt somehow for the tags. Anyways, thanks for the workaround and suggestion. That really helps.

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For me tags means organization, Notebooks means visual separation, for a number of purposes quite distinct from tagging. 

Same difference?  Maybe, but in Windows at least, the imaginary difference feels quite real, hence the need for nested notebooks to go along with the increase.  If that made any sense.

Currently I am using Notebook name tagging to create visual separation by sorting, which works sort of ok for now, while waiting for nesting.

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58 minutes ago, kinshuk4 said:

Hi DTLow, thank you for the suggestion. I am also not talking just about web clipper - I am talking about ease the notebook gives in comparison to tag where you can clip the whole page by just using the keyboard itself - i.e. press "''''''" and then "enter" and your page is saved in the notebook. For the tag, you have to use a mouse and enter the tag name and click "save".  This is about convenience - I prefer using a keyboard than a mouse, most of the time. As I use it, in this way also notebook gives more convenience. So, to sum it up, this about notebook vs tags - but maybe in the context of web clipper. I hope I have clarified my point to you :) 

This still has nothing to do with the number of notebooks allowed in a user's account, which is the feature request for this topic (see the original post). Your feature request relates to UI for the web clipper (specifically mouse/keyboard usage), and would therefore be better served by going to the Web Clipper / Product Feedback forum and making your request there. Just a note; there's no guarantee that the notebook you have selected as a default (or which Evernote has chosen for you) is the one that you intend to contain the clipped note, so you actually will need to use the mouse in that case.

That you also want > 250 notebooks is fine; you should just upvote the original topic.

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1 hour ago, michaelzapun said:

HI DTLow.  Easier said than done since as I said, I'm heavily invested in the notebook (and notebook stack) hierarchy.  But you are right about using another method.  I'm exploring migrating to OneNote. :)

If you were to describe your stack/notebook system, someone might be able to help you to reorganize, presumably to some system using tags. But if you're unwilling to try that (I'm guessing that you're using a notebook per client and don't feel certain about how that might work with tags), there are many other products. You mentioned OneNote, and that might suit your needs -- it didn't work for me, and the OneNote import from Evernote was a horrible disaster, so be a little cautious there. Good luck.

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2 hours ago, kinshuk4 said:

this about notebook vs tags

Also a different discussion; I prefer tags to notebooks for the simple fact that I can assign multiple tags to a note
I can also display an unlimited tag hierarchy on my Mac

>>Those who question so many notebooks and tell it is cluttery, I personally feel can be questioned as well for so many tags 

Good point.  And with a limit of 100,000 tags there's much more scope for clutter

>>I personally feel 250 is too small a limit. 

And now we're back to the purpose of this request and discussion
It might depend on your purpose for using notebooks.  My purpose is for the local/sync, shared, offline features.

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Just a quick Query. 

I know that there is a 250 Notebook limit in Evernote but I am wondering does this limit only apply to Synced Notebooks and are local Notebooks in the Windows client exempt from this. I know that Evernote and many of the blogs really push the Tagging option but I find it does not work for me and prefer Notebooks as a primary organising structure with tags as a secondary consideration.

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2 minutes ago, jefito said:

I'm guessing that you're using a notebook per client and don't feel certain about how that might work with tags

Still guessing; for an Evernote solution possibly archive non-active clients.  
Either an archive account, or tag with the client and move to an archive notebook.

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17 minutes ago, jefito said:

This still has nothing to do with the number of notebooks allowed in a user's account, which is the feature request for this topic (see the original post). Your feature request relates to UI for the web clipper (specifically mouse/keyboard usage), and would therefore be better served by going to the Web Clipper / Product Feedback forum and making your request there. Just a note; there's no guarantee that the notebook you have selected as a default (or which Evernote has chosen for you) is the one that you intend to contain the clipped note, so you actually will need to use the mouse in that case.

That you also want > 250 notebooks is fine; you should just upvote the original topic.

Hi Jefito, I have already upvoted here as well as 3-4 more threads related to increasing in notebook limits. :) Hope Evernote picks this feature up.

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2 hours ago, Don Dz said:

Notebook name tagging to create visual separation

Can you provide more details on your naming standard.

My standard is to prefix the names with the "parent" levels
This results in the entries sorting alphabetically.

>>For me tags means organization, Notebooks means visual separation

This isn't a tag vs notebook discussion but I'm interested in the difference between organization and visual separation.
Can you provide examples?

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12 hours ago, Seattlitte said:

I've moaned about the 250 limit on notebooks on this thread before, so very excited to hear about increase to 1000.  So took the dangerous step of updating Evernote for my Premium account on my Windows 10 PC, but, after installing,  it just told me that i can not have 250 notes.  :-( What gives?

I hope you get the problem fixed soon.

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I am forced to use tags because I ran out of notebooks. 

I have only 10,000+ notes.  This is only a fraction of what I want to enter.

Evernote stated "Evernote started with the aspiration to become your external brain."

The problem is that this is too small of an external brain.

For example, there are more than 64,000 medical diagnoses that I use in ICD10 and DSMV.

There are thousands of CPT medical procedures.

There are thousands of symptoms. There are thousands of neurotransmitters, hormones, and other molecular signals.

There are thousands of medications and supplements.

Add all of the categories in neuroscience, basic sciences, medicine, psychiatry, biology, biochemistry, etc. and you will quickly outstrip Evernote's tag capabilities with only one note for each tag.

As a physician, Evernote is a very small peripheral brain.  I realize I have to limit the information I store in Evernote because it is limited.  

The 10 GIG monthly data limit is actually not the problem. I seldom reach it once I realized Evernote wasn't designed to handle large PDFs which take forever to synchronize once I made a change.  

The problem is Evernote's limited ability to categorize data.  

Evernote's limitations make it more a small pocket notebook where its limitations in categorization and storage are kept in mind. This makes Evernote akin to the Tarascon Pocket Pharmacopoeia.  It cannot hold the data of the much larger Physician's Desk Reference.

Microsoft OneNote on the other hand is  akin to several large binder notebooks which can contain the organized data of the Physician's Desk Reference and hundred's of textbooks.

OneNote has no note size limitation other than the size of your hard drive. It has unlimited numbers of notes.  It has unlimited sections - which are like Evernote's Notebooks.  And it has multiple notebooks - which are like having multiple simultaneous Evernote Accounts.  The primary problem of OneNote is the user interface. And it is glacially improving. But already, it has copied Evernote's 3-pane view. With further copying, it should eventually become a viable unlimited clone of Evernote. With Microsoft's CEO wanting it to be the primary cloud company, development may eventually be very aggressive.

Additionally, OneNote for Business is HIPAA Patient Privacy compliant.  Evernote is not. Evernote's desire to add machine learning and access to your data doesn't bode well for future HIPAA compliance.

I hope Evernote keeps ahead of the game by continuing to improve its product.  I like it.  I find it convenient to use.  But running up against it limitations is frustrating and irritating - and a learning experience.  Microsoft OneNote is not a viable replacement yet.  So I'd like Evernote to improve its usefulness as a peripheral brain. 

Note that a single human brain can contain all of the data on the internet at this moment. Our memory for pattern recognition - i.e. tags - is close to unlimited.  So a peripheral brain with only 250 folders and 100,000 tags is clearly not enough. It is like scraps of paper compared to what we can actually store. 

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6 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Still guessing; for an Evernote solution possibly archive non-active clients.  
Either an archive account, or tag with the client and move to an archive notebook.

 

12 minutes ago, jefito said:

If you were to describe your stack/notebook system, someone might be able to help you to reorganize, presumably to some system using tags. But if you're unwilling to try that (I'm guessing that you're using a notebook per client and don't feel certain about how that might work with tags), there are many other products. You mentioned OneNote, and that might suit your needs -- it didn't work for me, and the OneNote import from Evernote was a horrible disaster, so be a little cautious there. Good luck.

Guys thanks for your suggestions.  I use one notebook per client but if a client has multiple matters, I identify the client by stack and then the individual matters by notebook and then use notes such as: Players/People in the File; Status Report; Timesheets, etc.   and this has been a great fix for me till I got the dreaded "approaching 250 limit."  My toes curl at the 250 limit as a paid subscriber. People can make any excuse they want for the company but this is a fix-request for the last several years that hasn't been fixed even though the premium pricing has gone up.    Who knows?  Maybe I'll be back if OneNote doesn't do the trick either. ..

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3 hours ago, iRQ said:

Sad to see people are still talking about tags here.

This feature request is "Increase notebook limit".

Evernote supports notebooks. They have a limit of 250. This feature request is to increase that limit.

Yes, it is very sad. But it's good to have another comment in support of notebooks.

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4 hours ago, DjBea said:

Support tells me "it's impossible" to get more than 250... 

Support told you that, correctly, because that was the limit at the time. Now it's 1,000, so it's currently impossible -to have more that that.

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I have an archive of the email of the support written "impossible for technical reason"....
Maybe evernote team start to listen... 
Maybe they will add encrypt for whole notes... we can dream !

The "technical reason" was because that's the arbitrary limit they set at the time.

Encrypted notes could happen, sure, but at a guess it'll a little harder to implement than raising the notebook limit to a different arbitrary number; depends on where the notebook limit is kept/checked in the service. Still wouldn't want to deal with that many notebooks regularly in what is essentially a flat list -- even 100 would be more than I'd want -- but hopefully this will help out the folks who wanted more.

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2 minutes ago, michaelzapun said:

 

Guys thanks for your suggestions.  I use one notebook per client but if a client has multiple matters, I identify the client by stack and then the individual matters by notebook and then use notes such as: Players/People in the File; Status Report; Timesheets, etc.   and this has been a great fix for me till I got the dreaded "approaching 250 limit."  My toes curl at the 250 limit as a paid subscriber. People can make any excuse they want for the company but this is a fix-request for the last several years that hasn't been fixed even though the premium pricing has gone up.    Who knows?  Maybe I'll be back if OneNote doesn't do the trick either. ..

Hi Michaelzapun, I am sorry to hear of this issue frustrating you. 3 years ago it frustrated me and there were similar responses to me on how to change my entire system to work around this Evernote limitation. So I sympathize with your situation.

As I see this conversation continuing to this day, and although some folks may believe they are being helpful by suggesting you redo years of work and change your method of organization - I feel they are not understanding that each person's situation is different and the complexity of converting to the tag system is not always preferred or optimal. Bottom line is that this is not going to be fixed in your lifetime and there is little support within the Evernote cheerleading team to extend the notebook quantity.

Luckily, there is a method (a free importer) to import Evernote into Onenote and it is offered on the Onenote website. My unsolicited advice is to not waste your time here being resisted, but to invest your time into the transfer. 
 

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58 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Can you provide more details on your naming standard.

My standard is to prefix the names with the "parent" levels
This results in the entries sorting alphabetically.

Well, I use the parent idea only with tags, currently my naming is mostly designed to push notebooks up or down the list, an asterisk* in front of the name to push notebooks up plus bold and maybe red for emphasis, a japanese dash character 一 to push notebooks I don't want to see down to the end, a couple of stacks for neatness and to hide things as needed, and a few free standing notebooks above that I currently need.  Just trying different ways to see only what I want to see each day without complication.

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12 hours ago, Seattlitte said:

it just told me that i can not have 250 notes

How did it tell you?  Were you at 250 notebooks and then tried to create another?  Were you actually prohibited from creating 251?  Just wondering if you are seeing an old and now inaccurate error message.  

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1 hour ago, DTLow said:

This isn't a tag vs notebook discussion but I'm interested in the difference between organization and visual separation.
Can you provide examples?

With tags, I try to devise ways to quickly find what I am looking for (I borrowed some ideas from your post about prefixes for What, Who, Where, When), so that if I type ?, all my Who tags come up, etc.

'What' is the hardest and the most numerous, for that I have devises a number of my own categories that work for me.

 

With notebooks my aim is not so much to find, but to hide notebooks, to push out of the way that which I do not need at the moment.  I have some notebooks called Old and similar names.  How I name them I explained some in the previous comment, very simple at the moment. 

For certain cases, I have a separate free account for notebooks I really don't want to see unless I have to (job training mostly), but that is not the best option from day to day.

I believe your approach is a lot more involved, but I have only seen bits and pieces that you have shared.

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1 hour ago, Don Dz said:

What, Who, Where, When

That was my only organization concept, building hierarchies instead of completely separate entries.  A hierarchy even if it's only prefix naming.  Relational is better.

A concern with Notebooks the one-notebook-per-note.  I need a good reason to isolate a note in a notebook.

 

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12 hours ago, debodeem said:

As I see this conversation continuing to this day, and although some folks may believe they are being helpful by suggesting you redo years of work and change your method of organization

I responded to the post, but at no time did I suggest "redo years of work and change your method of organization"
My suggestion was to archive non-active clients

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On May 18, 2016 at 10:03 AM, aviposluns@invisionapp.com said:

Does the 250 rule apply only to free plans, or to the paid plans as well.  

I've been trying to contact evernote, asking them this question (which essentially is me offering to pay for an account).  No response yet.  

All Evernote accounts (Basic, Plus and Premium) are subject to the 250 notebook limitation. 

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Whilst I believe that more notebooks would be great, don't you find its a little cluttered with all of them? IMO, i think that if you hit the limit, it would start working against you, not with you.

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On 5/30/2018 at 11:38 AM, jefito said:

These are barely palatable options, in my opinion, with respect to physical (on screen, i.e.) organization/searching

FWIW, my interface to finding notes, notebooks, and tags, in Evernote for Mac is Command J and I haven't hit its limits of scalability yet. It works as well with one note and several thousand notes.

The points about UI constraints is well made, just in my case the UI I use scales well filtering down thousands of items.

 

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59 minutes ago, DTLow said:

That was my only organization concept, building hierarchies instead of completely separate entries.  A hierarchy even if it's prefix naming.  Relational is better.

A concern with Notebooks the one-notebook-per-note.  I need a good reason to isolate a note in a notebook.

Not quite sure what one notebook per note means, unless you mean one notebook per project, I have seen that debate.

For me notebooks are a way of not leaving things in my Inbox, which creates  psychological dissonance.  They also  help remind me I may need to still tag, rename, create note links, table of contents, etc. 

They also allow me to corral my tendency to "procrastinate" (the actual name of one of my two stacks).  My "Main" stack is for notebooks that have been mostly processed and organized, or at least prioritized.

 

But the idea of exporting things easily is another motivator, based on my experience trying to move everything into Evernote from my previous systems.  A need for large categories of things to deal with in an export/import scenario was very evident to me at the time, particularly with keeping track of whether I am losing notes.

 

Your naming system based on dates caught my attention, but I don't fully grasp enough of it to borrow the idea.

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I'am premium user since 2010 and i have enough with the 250 limit for notebook !

(remember something like 640kb should be enough).
 

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39 minutes ago, iRQ said:

FWIW, my interface to finding notes, notebooks, and tags, in Evernote for Mac is Command J

My interface for assigning a tag is to start typing and a filtered list appears. My 300+ list gets chopped down, and with just a few characters typed I pick from a list of 10 or so items.

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For those arguing against increasing the maximum notebook count and using some other work around like tags or a second albeit free account, I don't understand why you would argue against it. No one's going to force you to stop using tags or creating a second account or to start having more than 250 notebooks. 

People have different ways to think and organize their thoughts/information and how they wish to see it displayed in an app such as Evernote. I'm not one who creates notebooks willy nilly. As someone pointed, the maximum notebook count used to be 100 before being bumped up to 250. I supposed some "elite" users at the time were harrumphing and arguing they were able to do everything they needed with just 3 notebooks and offering workarounds to address the 100 maximum notebook count issue.

We have some users who are asking for the maximum notebook count to be once again increased. I'll settle for 500 at this point. Unless you're an Evernote employee and the costs to enhance this particular feature will be taken out of your bonus, you have no reason to oppose this request. You can keep your tags. You can keep your multiple Evernote accounts. I just want to have more than 250 notebooks.

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8 hours ago, marianco said:

Both tags and notebooks are simply pointers to the actual data.  if 100,000 tags are allowed, then why not 100,000 notebooks?

Further, since notebooks only have two level hierarchy, why not more levels?

Please make Evernote much more useful for us.

Weaknesses like this are openings for competitors. 

 

Tags are not pointers to data; instead, tags comprise a language that you can use to describe your data (think "adjective"). If you need to have an individual tag to describe each note you have, you're not doing things the Evernote way, and it may not be the product for you. If you need a unique identifier for each note, then you should consider using note titles as that identifier; many users have a title naming scheme that works for their needs.

The notebook limit (currently 250) has been in place for several years; increasing the limit is a popular request (try searching the forum; forum topics also turn up in web searches). Evernote have not seemed inclined to increase that, most likely because, as a company, they are convinced that tagging is a better way to categorize and organize your notes. In Evernote, notebooks are better suited as vehicles for sharing a set of notes with other users, or, on the desktop, preventing a set of notes from being synced to the Evernote servers, or, for mobile, ensuring that a set of notes is always available on the device.

Arbitrary notebook nesting is also a popular request (again, search the forums); again Evernote have resisted adding it (with the minor addition of stacks, which mainly gives you a simple way to organize notebooks visually, though you can also search a stack. gain, the Evernote answer is usually "use tags". Evernote staff has seemed to have stopped discussing this sort of stuff, but the groundwork was laid sometime in the 2008 timeframe, when the then CTO of Evernote, Dave Engberg, spent a fair amount of time in the forums interacting with users on just these sorts of topics. The philosophy doesn't seem to have changed much, if at all.

With regard to competitors, Evernote seems to hold up pretty well, and works well for many people, both for personal and work uses. Could it be better? You bet. But nothing I've seen out there matches my own mental approach nearly as well, not even the vaunted, and "free" OneNote. Your mileage may vary.

Edit: some fun reading: https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/2473-archived-suggestionability-to-add-new-notebookstop-level-please/. Also: https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/96180-nesting-multiple-notebooks-creating-sub-notebooks/

 

 

 

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On 2017-11-17 at 12:51 AM, DjBea said:

I'am premium user since 2010 and i have enough with the 250 limit for notebook !

As you noted, evernote has a limit of 250 notebooks for Personal Accounts (What-are-the-system-limits-of-Evernote-)  10,000 Notebooks for Business Accounts

Until this is changed, you could look at alternative organization methods.  Evernote has a Tags feature, with a 100,000 limit; another benefit is unlimited hierarchy (Mac/Windows)

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1 hour ago, s2sailor said:

How did it tell you?  Were you at 250 notebooks and then tried to create another?  Were you actually prohibited from creating 251?  Just wondering if you are seeing an old and now inaccurate error message.  

I didn't upgrade, I already had Premium, but in the past when I tried to create a 251st notebook I would receive an error message. After the announcement, I selected the new notebook choice and Evernote created a notebook. That was all there was to it.

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On 6/23/2017 at 8:49 AM, gustavgi said:

think the original limit was 100 but that was early, many years ago.

Not too long ago. I've been here 4 years - it changed during that period.

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6 hours ago, Jim Finn said:

I am wondering does this limit only apply to Synced Notebooks and are local Notebooks in the Windows client exempt from this.

I'm pretty sure notebook number and note size restrictions apply to both local and sync'd.

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I am an Evernote premium user. I use the app extensively for my Handyman business. This is the way I use it currently:

Clients (notebook stack)

     Client 1 (notebook)

          Note 1

          Note 2

     Client 2 (notebook)

          Note 1 

          Note 2

It is my understanding that Evernote premium users are limited to 250 notebooks. I am on my second premium Evernote account in order to accommodate my current needs for Evernote. My second Evernote account is nearly full and I will need to open up a third account soon. I understand this is good for Evernote but it's horrible for me not only because of the cost but it a major pain to sign out of one account and sign into another account on my iOS device. Am I doing something wrong here? Or maybe Evernote just isn't the right thing for my business. 

Thanks, 

Danny 

      

 

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6 hours ago, Don Dz said:

Not quite sure what one notebook per note means

Notes can only be assigned a single notebook.
Most of my notes do not fit a single assignment.

>>not leaving things in my Inbox

I also have a default notebook (@Inbox)
This is my collection tool; In processing, I move the notes to their proper notebook

>>Your naming system based on dates caught my attention, but I don't fully grasp enough of it to borrow the idea.

This was my note title standard; I prefix the title with the subject date.
- It gives me a place to store subject date.
- It allows me to sort notes into subject date sequence 

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1 hour ago, Rey San Pascual said:

 For those arguing against increasing the maximum notebook count 

No one is arguing against increasing the notebook limit.  It's a  number arbitrarily set by Evernote.

We are against the concept that Evernote is not useable with this limit. 

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1 hour ago, marianco said:

you will quickly outstrip Evernote's tag capabilities with only one note for each tag.

You really need to change your approach to using tags

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I had a seen a post about Local Notebooks not going towards the quota but he was not certain either. If you are there at the limit, just experiment with it.

Also, without going into Tags vs. Notebooks arguments | discussions, I recommend everybody to evaluate their "thinking" and "habits" as we all are used to the folder structure since Windows 3.1 (if not MS DOS 6.x versions) and our thinking is just mimicking that. I am a firm believer of what works for you is the best system whether notebooks or tags, but if there is a limit by the developer and now it is going to interfere with your workflow | system, it may be time to re-evaluate and maybe try something new. Just a recommendation.

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1 hour ago, s2sailor said:

How did it tell you?  Were you at 250 notebooks and then tried to create another?  Were you actually prohibited from creating 251?  Just wondering if you are seeing an old and now inaccurate error message.  

I was at 249.  After I updated, I right clicked a Stack, and "Create Notebook in ...".   The Message I get is "You cannot create more than 250 synchronized notebooks.  Please delete some of the existing synchronized notebooks and try again."   

It occurred to me that EverNote might have be trying to save me from myself.  I have another machine with an older (so still 250 limit) version of Evernote connected to the same account.  I update that one just noew  to 6.16.1.7953 (307953) Prerelease (CE Build ce-53.4.6770) -- its on Windows 8.1,  But trying to add a Notebook to the same stack as before creates the same message as above. 

The version of EN on my Windows 10 machine is 6.15.4.7934 (307934) Public (CE Build ce-53.4.6700) and clicking Help\Check for Updates on that machine assures me I have the latest update.    I'll try again in a few days.  

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Evernote are pretty set on tags over notebooks, historically. Maybe they will increase the limit, but I wouldn't bet my business on it. Is there some reason that tags wouldn't work for you?

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14 minutes ago, DTLow said:

No one is arguing against increasing the notebook limit.  It's a  number arbitrarily set by Evernote.

We are arguing about the concept that Evernote is not useable with this limit.

For those who can live with less than 250 notebooks, it's perfectly usable. For those like me who are needing more than 250 notebooks at this point, Evernote is less than perfectly usable. If the 250 maximum notebook limit is arbitrarily set by Evernote when it was increased from the also presumably arbitrary limit of 100 notebooks, then Evernote can arbitrarily increase it again.

I don't see anyone arguing that that Evernote isn't usable with the 250 notebook limit. I do see people requesting that Evernote's usability be enhanced by increasing the notebook limit.

My other recommendation in the mean time to help users still under 250 notebook limit is to set a flag or warning or message at some arbitrary point when a user has created a certain number of notebooks, perhaps at 125 notebooks and again at 200 notebooks. People have pointed out that the limits are published and available. But either I didn't read that part or glossed over it during my learning curve. I placed a lot of thought in how I arranged and structured my information. A reminder of the limit would have been helpful so that I could have adjusted my information map a lot earlier on to account for the limit than having to deal with the limit at a time when I need to create my 251st notebook. And I'm not going to start a new thread/request on this idea. I'll let an Evernote employee do it if they want to; I'm busy trying to deal with the 250 notebook limit.

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I must be thinking of some other limit we upped during that period then...

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Part of the current Beta release notes... (my emphasis)  https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/113550-evernote-for-windows-613-beta-1/

Note: Version 6.13 is supported in Windows 7 and higher.

Improved (cumulative changes since version 6.12):

  • We inform the user if we're unable to continue recording audio (e.g., out of disk space)
  • Users are prevented from making content changes when the Evernote client database is locked by another process (e.g., antivirus scanner)
  • Evernote client asks once and remembers when you don't want to see a "note move" notification.
  • More easily manage and navigate your notebooks from the Notebooks View. You can access this by selecting 'Notebooks' from the left panel.
  • Messaging to alert the user when they're approaching their notebook limit

(and I was assured this won't just be 'you just ran out'...)

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1 hour ago, Seattlitte said:

I was at 249.  After I updated, I right clicked a Stack, and "Create Notebook in ...".   The Message I get is "You cannot create more than 250 synchronized notebooks.  Please delete some of the existing synchronized notebooks and try again."   

It occurred to me that EverNote might have be trying to save me from myself.  I have another machine with an older (so still 250 limit) version of Evernote connected to the same account.  I update that one just noew  to 6.16.1.7953 (307953) Prerelease (CE Build ce-53.4.6770) -- its on Windows 8.1,  But trying to add a Notebook to the same stack as before creates the same message as above. 

The version of EN on my Windows 10 machine is 6.15.4.7934 (307934) Public (CE Build ce-53.4.6700) and clicking Help\Check for Updates on that machine assures me I have the latest update.    I'll try again in a few days.  

You show up here as a premium member so I would think this should be working now for you.  Time to contact support.  One last thought, if you haven't recently, log out of your account and then back in to see if that resets you correctly.

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58 minutes ago, TK0047 said:

Also, without going into Tags vs. Notebooks arguments | discussions, I recommend everybody to evaluate their "thinking" and "habits" as we all are used to the folder structure since Windows 3.1 (if not MS DOS 6.x versions) and our thinking is just mimicking that. I am a firm believer of what works for you is the best system whether notebooks or tags, but if there is a limit by the developer and now it is going to interfere with your workflow | system, it may be time to re-evaluate and maybe try something new. Just a recommendation.

 I liken it to Drawers in a Filing cabinet with the Notebooks sub-dividers in this drawer which were around long before DOS and Windows and this suits me better. I did experiment with Tagging as an alternative and while it has it's uses I found it cumbersome particularly when it came time to share to share notes with a third party. Tagging becomes useless at this point.

Evernote sells itself as a second/external brain and it is important that we as individual learn what works for us. I know that Evernote are proponents of tagging. Well if that is the case then allow tagged notes to be shared by tags. Otherwise you have to go down the Notebook route at least partially. I agree with you about software limitations and workflow but I have tried other applications and none of them match Evernote features. It has its "quirks" and we have to learn to work around them.

As a teacher I show my student multiple ways of working out things as what works for me will not work for everyone. I tell them there are 4 ways of doing anything, The right way, the wrong way, my way and your way and if 3 of those produce the same result they are the right way. I would encourage everyone to take the time to try new ways of working and organising but don't fall into the trap that there is only one way that works. I regularly see proponents of Dave Allens Method, structuring Evernote as a productivity tool. Tried it and hated it. I see Evernote as a storage and Reference hub in my workflow not a productivity tool per-say and Notebooks suit this better IMO.

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1 hour ago, dconnet said:

I must be thinking of some other limit we upped during that period then...

The price? :D

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17 minutes ago, Jim Finn said:

I liken it to Drawers in a Filing cabinet with the Notebooks sub-dividers in this drawer which were around long before DOS and Windows and this suits me better

Are you sure Evernote is the best product for you to use?  It doesn't support drawers, folders, subfolders, dividers.

>>allow tagged notes to be shared by tags

This has my vote.  https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/107800-sharing-notes-using-tags/

>>proponents of Dave Allens Method, structuring Evernote as a productivity tool.

I read Allen's GTD book and learned much about task management.  I use Evernote to manage my task, and implemented many GTD aspects.

 

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5 hours ago, Seattlitte said:

After I updated, I right clicked a Stack, and "Create Notebook in ...".   

Did you try to just create a notebook, not in a stack?

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On 2017-11-07 at 7:33 AM, Allen Long said:

One of the features of Evernote is to organize by notebooks.  Over the years, I find that I need to pull all related notes from a particular notebook and place it in a new notebook. I have been with Evernote almost since the beginning of its starting.  Now I am limited in my organizing.  Argh!  This is frustrating.  Any chance that this could be changed?  (BTW, I do have a Premium account)

You could upgrade to Business (10,000 limit)
afaik, it's an artificial limit and some day Evernote might decide to increase it

Personally, I use tags for organization (limit 100,000)

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4 hours ago, Etonreve said:

I've also asked several times what would be the effect of my archiving or deleting notebooks.

You can archive to a free/2nd paid account, delete from your prime account, share with your prime account if you like and free up the notebooks in your prime account.  Deleting notebooks would seem to be self explanatory.  

As looooong as this battle has been raging EN has not shown any apparent interest in increasing the number of notebooks.  Whether you or they are right in the case study of the future only time will tell.  Meanwhile we can adjust to what's available or move to something else.

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12 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Part of the current Beta release notes... (my emphasis)  https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/113550-evernote-for-windows-613-beta-1/

Note: Version 6.13 is supported in Windows 7 and higher.

Improved (cumulative changes since version 6.12):

  • Messaging to alert the user when they're approaching their notebook limit

(and I was assured this won't just be 'you just ran out'...)

'you just ran out'

Thanks for the chuckle. I think I actually had to contact support when I couldn't add another notebook in conjunction with my separation lines not showing up on the desktop app.

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When I started , I used Evernote for myself, synched across multiple machines.  I used  a mixture of tags and notes.  Once I was confident with how useful Evernote was, I started using it will collaborators.  I quickly realized a) Evernote sharing mechanics were horrible b) could only share notebooks, not tags.  Evernote really improved their sharing mechanics, but left us in the lurch with no tag sharing and the 250 notebook limit.  I maxed out three years ago.  

Problems with living with this limit:

a) as someone above wrote, Evernote does not make it clear which were the added notebooks that put you over the limit.  If you deleted notebooks to make room, the synch gets stuck if it you added 1 notebook having deleted 5, but it saw the add as happening first..  And as i synch across multiple machines that I work on simultaneously, , thing can get horrible.

b) I just spent an hour with a colleague trying to figure out why i couldn't see his newly shared notebook.  We're pretty sure now that though I had made room by deleting some notebooks, sync is convinced I'm over limit again again.  But what really bugs me is that he didn't get any message that the Notebook had failed to share, and I got no message that someone had tried to share a notebook with me but couldn't.  He is an older gentleman and assumes that he erred somehow when tech doesn't work.  

I'm assuming that EN wants us to use EN to collaborate.  i've brought them 6 paying customers  over the last 3 years.    Its how you grow a paying network.  But I am now open to new knowledge organizing and sharing products  - i just haven't found one half as good as EN.  OneNote -- ha, ha, ha:-(.

Philip

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3 minutes ago, DTLow said:
7 minutes ago, Jim Finn said:

I liken it to Drawers in a Filing cabinet with the Notebooks sub-dividers in this drawer which were around long before DOS and Windows and this suits me better

Are you sure Evernote is the best product for you to use?

As a paperless based note and information storage system yes. I not only use it for web clippings, I also use it to store receipts and other important documentation in pdf format (both Synced and Local for more personal documentation such as bank statements etc.) Is there an alternative you might suggest as I have tried many of them and stay with Evernote.

I currently have 60 Notebooks and over 5000 notes across a wide range of categories.

One example of a use is I recently had to make an insurance claim against a builder that caused damage in mu home. I had copies of every document and email exchanged with builder as well as notes on every phone call and was able to share all this information with my insurance company who were able to successfully recover most of the costs from the builders insurance.

I also use it to keep track of both my progress in teaching topics as well as students progress via an attached Excel spreadsheet. When I had a subject inspection a few years ago I was able to share this notebook with the inspection team as my class records. 

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14 minutes ago, Seattlitte said:

Evernote does not make it clear which were the added notebooks that put you over the limit.

The latest release provides a warning when the notebook limit is being reached

 

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13 minutes ago, Jim Finn said:

I currently have 60 Notebooks and over 5000 notes across a wide range of categories.

12,000+ notes; minimal notebooks, 300+ tags

I use notebooks for the Share/Local/Offline feature

Beyond basic notes, I use file attachments; Word/Pages for word processing, Excel/Numbers for spreadsheets, ...

No ideas for alternatives.  None of them offer the same filing services as Evernote.

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3 minutes ago, DTLow said:

No ideas for alternatives.  None of them offer the same filing services as Evernote.

That we can agree on ?

And the superior Web clipping.

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For me, note links is the best solution, more so than Notebooks or even tags, even though I use all of them.  I have created wiki-like structures in my system that strongly resemble what I used to do before Evernote.

But I have found that sometimes note links can break, under circumstances which I have not been able to recreate yet.

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Yeah - I complained bitterly when I tripped over the upload limit (back in the bad old days when you had to buy an extension if it went over the -then- much smaller levels that applied) 

I stressed then that I appreciated Evernote had to have limits,  but not to see any warnings on the way to having some (in my case) seriously exciting times because you just fell over one of them was downright unfriendly. 

Support said then that they were looking at ways to make the apps more communicative if users were heading for an issue - looks like they finally got around to it. 

Remains to be seen how effective the warnings are,  though they have said that while some of them will be optional with a 'don't show this warning again' tickbox,  when you get close to the wire the warnings will not be optional - to make the point that "next time you do this it will be a very bad idea..."   :)

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3 hours ago, Don Dz said:

For me, note links is the best solution, more so than Notebooks or even tags, even though I use all of them. 

Just wondering what is the issue you're solving with the note links.
edit: Answered - Notebooks are used for active notes; the Notebook is dropped when no longer active

I use notebooks and tags to return a list of notes for a specific criteria.  
An example is to identify notes for a subject like "home insurance".I would be using a notebook or tag.  
I can see using  note links in a Table-of-Contents note; however the list would be static.  I need  a dynamic list.

>>But I have found that sometimes note links can break, under circumstances which I have not been able to recreate yet.

if these are in-app links, they are not random numbers.  The link based on the note id.

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16 hours ago, DTLow said:

There's the Business Account level - 10,000 notebooks

Thanks...looking into Business Account level now...

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28 minutes ago, CalS said:

You can archive to a free/2nd paid account, delete from your prime account, share with your prime account if you like and free up the notebooks in your prime account.  Deleting notebooks would seem to be self explanatory.  

As looooong as this battle has been raging EN has not shown any apparent interest in increasing the number of notebooks.  Whether you or they are right in the case study of the future only time will tell.  Meanwhile we can adjust to what's available or move to something else.

I might try that, although I don't like the idea of having to create a second account. I'm also concerned about the storage capacity of the free accounts.

 

5 hours ago, Etonreve said:

Notebooks are my basic form of organizing projects, clients, accounts, and classes.

 

Another benefit of the notebook system is that with one hand I can use my mouse to add a clipped image to the appropriate notebook and keep moving. I often don't wish or have the time to stop and type tags. I don't always feel like stopping and thinking about what would be a good tag.  It's also possible to create a typo on a tag or inadvertently to create duplicative tags. And as someone already said, if you want to talk about eliminating clutter, thousands of tags isn't the answer. I probably have a couple of hundred, but I almost never search by tag. I search by notebook and keywords. Using Evernote is supposed to be easy.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Just wondering what is the issue you're solving with the note links.

If i understand your question correctly, I use note links for structure, and to preserve the organization of my notes from a previous platform.

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6 hours ago, Etonreve said:

I hate to think of doing this, but what is the impact of archiving a notebook or deleting a notebook? I assume the notes first have to be removed and moved elsewhere.

There is no archive feature so it's hard to comment on the impact.  What actions would you be planning to take?

Deleting a notebook would delete the notes; yes, I would want to save them in some form

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17 hours ago, Etonreve said:

Yes, it is very sad. But it's good to have another comment in support of notebooks.

We got it.  You only want to read whiny boohoo posts and you see this as the purpose of the discussion forums,

Some of us use the the discussions as a learning experience.

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32 minutes ago, Don Dz said:

For me, note links is the best solution, more so than Notebooks or even tags, even though I use all of them.  I have created wiki-like structures in my system that strongly resemble what I used to do before Evernote.

But I have found that sometimes note links can break, under circumstances which I have not been able to recreate yet.

I use note links also to funnel information/priorities from several notes to a collection note to manage the priorities. I have links on the notes going to the collection note and I have links on the collection note going to the individual notes.

But I disagree that using note links is the best solution to deal with the 250 notebook limit. The best solution at this point is increasing the maximum notebook limit to at least 500 if not more (preferably 5,000 to make a non-issue). And to add warnings/reminders at reasonable points regarding Evernote’s maximum limits.

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4 hours ago, DTLow said:

Like the IKEA package that comes with all sorts of parts to be assembled.

I can see needing extra parts if you're using parts differently than intended.
I usually go with the Connect A to B instructions; not that I'm defending Ikea 

It is ridiculous to argue that customers using the notebooks are not using the product as it is intended. Assigning subjects, clients, etc. to individual notebooks is not some kind of weird hack.

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22 minutes ago, Rey San Pascual said:

But I disagree that using note links is the best solution to deal with the 250 notebook limit. The best solution at this point is increasing the maximum notebook limit to at least 500 if not more (preferably 5,000 to make a non-issue). And to add warnings/reminders at reasonable points regarding Evernote’s maximum limits.

By all means, the more tools they can give us, the better, I was only sharing what works for me, since it had not been mentioned in the discussion. 

As I mentioned, I use all available solutions as needed, but links just happen to be the most flexible tool for my situation, since a wiki approach makes the most sense to me.

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15 hours ago, Rey San Pascual said:

I would like to put in my voice to increasing the 250 notebook limit.

Please also add your vote to the feature request linked below.  Voting buttons are in the top left corner of the discussion.

>>I am used to Stacks > Notebooks > Notes.

Evernote provides two fields for note organization: Notebook and Tags
Tags can be organized in an unlimited hierarchy (Mac/Win/Web)of the form:  Tag > ChildTag > ChildTag > ..
The tag limit is 100,000

 

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4 minutes ago, Etonreve said:

I'm also concerned about the storage capacity of the free accounts.

Good point.  Not so much storage capacity but the upload limits can be easily exceeded
Even though a paid account is uploading notes, it's charged against the allowance of the notebooks owner

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1 hour ago, DTLow said:

An example is to identify notes for a subject like "home insurance".

I would be using a notebook or tag.  The only way I see to use note links is with a Table of Contents; however the list would be static.  I need  a dynamic list.

For that I would use a combination of tags and links, all related notes would share a tag or two, but links would relate the different notes together in more minute detail. 

I generally only use table of contents for brain storming with my tags, because I tend to create links and tags as I create notes, to preserve some GTD logic that makes sense to me (I use a Start note, from which I link notes such as Errands, Calls, Computer/Online, Waiting For, At Home, At Work, Someday/Maybe, Projects, etc, as needed).

I tend to create a new notebook only when dealing with a large or urgent/hot project, and only while working on it (like "Taxes" or "Work Project" or "Overseas Trip"), but once I am done with the project, I delete the notebook, and any notes that remain are moved into one of my preexisting notebooks, like "Cabinet" or "Personal" or "Online Resources", etc. 

For smaller projects I often use a "Temp" notebook, for current but unrelated projects.

I used to have a "Done" notebook, but found a tag a better solution.

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2 hours ago, ARCMAN said:

Am I doing something wrong here? Or maybe Evernote just isn't the right thing for my business. 

Its not that you're doing it wrong, but your organization method isn't working well
I'd suggest an alternative

Clients (notebook)

     Client 1 (Tag xxx)
          Note 1 - title   Client xxx: <date> yyyyyyyyyyyyy   Tag xxx
          Note 2 - title   Client xxx: <date> zzzzzzzzzzzzzz   Tag xxx

     Client 2 (Tag nnnn)
          
Note 1  - title   Client nnnn: <date> yyyyyyyyyyyy  Tag nnnn
          Note 2  - title   Client nnnn: <date> zzzzzzzzzzzz   Tag nnnn

The Clients are tags, not notebooks.  The limit is 100,000

I'd also put the client and date into the title.  It gives some redundancy in case you forget to add a tag

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6 hours ago, Etonreve said:

I use them when they are appropriate.

 

51 minutes ago, Etonreve said:

It is ridiculous to argue that customers using the notebooks are not using the product as it is intended. 

 

I'd suggest Evernote does not intend for you to use more than 250 notebooks in a personal account

Plan accordingly 

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14 minutes ago, Etonreve said:

I'm also concerned about the storage capacity of the free accounts.

Yup, you have to plan it.  I bought Premium for a month when I archived a whole bunch of project notes, 5 GB worth.  I didn't do it for notebooks, I don't have many.  I did it to simplify project searches.  It has worked well ever since.  I don't share with my prime account.  The notes are from older projects and it is easy enough to open the backup account in conjunction with my prime account.  If I had a request it would be for EN to let you set on demand sync by account so as not to have download the free account.

23 minutes ago, Etonreve said:

I search by notebook and keywords. Using Evernote is supposed to be easy.

Different styles.  I search by tags and keywords, and it is easy for me (36k notes and 400 tags).  Lucky me.  No doubt should EN ever decide to add more notebooks it would become easier for you.

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24 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Good point.  Not so much storage capacity but the upload limits can be easily exceeded
Even though a paid account is uploading notes, it's charged against the allowance of the notebooks owner

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Thank you for acknowledging that.

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I'am still waiting evernote team to listen for their customers... 
In the futur you will remove this limit, why waiting more ?
This limit is absurd and don't have sense.

I've just read a text Evernote sent me from Stacy Harmon : She prefer Notebook... ( https://blog.evernote.com/fr/2018/06/08/sorganiser-avec-carnets/?utm_source=sfmc&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=EVN-ENG-NLS-EM-88-8888-Newsletter_062718&amp;utm_content=button )

I don't like answer from support : It's a technical limit, we can't do more ! 
In software limits are where you to place it...  

Maybe some of users dont need more than 250 notebook, i think i'am not the only one that would like more than 250.

I'am not happy with the choice of evernote team
Adding features that i don't need, and don't add basic missing features (like search & replace expressions across notes).
It's seems to have no collaboration between evernote team and users. 

Notes and data store in evernote are not private.

When i tell to support My data on evernote servers are not encrypted, so evernote team can read my notes....
The answer is : "data are encrypted between your computer and our server". 
And they may say " we have strict policy.... no one in evernote team will read your notes", how many times it happen in lots of company with same policy, private user data have been stolen by member of the team or pirat ?
If notes was encrypted on the evernote server, it would be more secure. And also encryption may be done in local files.

As i told before, i like the evernote concept. i think it as a great potential, but now it's going wrong.

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I guess about 3 years ago I reached my 250 limit by surprise since there was no warning that I was getting close and no way to check how many notebooks I have. The whole thing was a real time waster because of the glitch when finally figure out you have to delete notebooks, it doesn't sync and release more notebooks to you for awhile.

Anyway, I remember proceeding here on the forum with long drawn out discussions about tags and how I must conform to tags or delete notebooks. See, the thing is, I like nesting. Nesting works for me. Tags?... meh.

Fast forward to today and I was curious if this restrictive limit on notebooks has changed. Surely it has, right? But sadly, no. And, here I am reading the same requests over and over - and the same vague reasoning as to why we can't have more notebooks, and the same cheerleaders trying to rationalize why Evernote doesn't listen to their users.

I would like to be officially counted as a user that wants more notebooks.

Bottom line though , I would happily PAY for this product if my account could have unlimited or practically unlimited notebooks. I know the business plan says 10K, but the individual account limit of 250 remains, so the only way to have more notebooks is to open additional accounts.

So, my 'workaround' was to go to OneNote. I can't really say I like it better. It's a horse of a different color and probably a bit too robust.

Evernote has a simplicity that attracted me. I really wish I could have continued with Evernote with 251, 500, even 1000 notebooks if that's what I needed.  And I wish that Evernote would have evolved to understand that long time users would by logic, need more than 250 notebooks.

I will check back again in 3 years to see if this feature is updated for the 21st century. See ya later.

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5 minutes ago, CalS said:

 

Different styles.  I search by tags and keywords, and it is easy for me (36k notes and 400 tags).  Lucky me.  No doubt should EN ever decide to add more notebooks it would become easier for you.

 

Yes, people have different styles. My style is not uncommon. I admit that when I first heard of the 250 notebook maximum I wasn't concerned. But I've been using Evernote for about eight years. I use it every day, several times a day. That's a lot of notes and notebooks.

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8 hours ago, DTLow said:

Notes can only be assigned a single notebook.
Most of my notes do not fit a single assignment.

Forgot about that.  That single assignment is the main functional difference from tags, which works for me, though there isn't a literal file separation in the program.

Apparently you use it to some limited extent.

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My recommendation is to delete as many notebooks as you can and focus on tag organization.  I recently ran into the 250 limit and it was insane how they give you NO IDEA how many notebooks you need to delete and you can't successfully do it from the Desktop client.  I had to delete from the web app and eventually, WA LA!!! 

Anyway I'm happier now and wish I just used the tag system a long time ago.   

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39 minutes ago, debodeem said:

See, the thing is, I like nesting. Nesting works for me.

Not sure where thIs comes in on this discussion.  There are requests posted for Notebook Nesting, but so far no indication that Evernote's interested.  

It would be a useful organization tool for users having many notebooks.  I manage using a prefixed naming standard for my notebooks and tags.

>>there was no warning that I was getting close

Evernote recently implemented a notification when the notebook limit is reached.

>>I would like to be officially counted as a user that wants more notebooks.

There are voting buttons at the top left corner of the discussion

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I'm planning to go for the premium but no encryption thing (only text encryption is *****) and the privacy thing is making me cold feet. I know EN in their policy pledged to not look at user notes but once they did and that still raises questions and does not give peace of mind. Now another thing I came to know is we have a limit of 250 Notebooks in premium. 

So, currently, my issues are: 
1) No PROPER ENCRYPTION thing. Text encryption is *****. It does not even let encrypt bullet point and automatic numbers. I have manually written "1)" and then "2)" in another line below and then goes like "10" or "15", depending on the number of important points. It does get boring right? Text encryption won't encrypts bullets or automatic numbers, wow as if they put the option, users won't like lol.

2) Privacy Issue. I very well know that EN pledged NOT to look at user notes but my question is why would they even look at the first place and then pledge later by releasing a new privacy policy? That does still leave doubt and we don't get complete peace of mind.

3) Limiting to 250 Notebooks in premium. I'm a guy that needs to have max notebooks as I sort down business as well as personal things too so we should get unlimited in premium.

I'm still considering to get premium but I am getting cold feet. It's such a great app but this Encryption and Privacy issue is kinda ruining it to be honest. And now came to know 250 limits, more amazing lol.

You DON'T even listen to your fans who love your app and WANT to continue using your app. You still DON'T care about full encryption and privacy issues.

At least GIVE the option to encrypt whole Notebook or individual notes like your BIGGEST COMPETITOR -> ONE NOTE!

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32 minutes ago, Ricky said:

...notebooks you need to delete and you can't successfully do it from the Desktop client.  I had to delete from the web app and eventually,

Notebooks can be deleted from the desktop clientScreen Shot 2016-11-04 at 11.18.46 PM.png
This is from my Mac, and right clicking on the notebook

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It is important to understand the 250 limit on Notebooks and plan accordingly.

The answer as stated is with Tags. This is really just another way of putting different Notes in different boxes, or drawers. Instead of Notebooks, they are in Tags.

I would also suggest that when something is completed you move it to an Archive Notebook. This keeps is out of your way and releases some of those Notebooks that you probably don't need.

I have 30K Notes and manage with a number of strategically named and organised Notebooks.

Regards

 

Chris

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Yes, Stacy Harmon's text was made available in all important countries (also in German, English, ...) and made me think "OK - typical marketing thing: They do not talk with the technical staff ;-)"

A limit of 250 is typical in many other circumstances (not only in EN): if a byte (8 bit) is used to point to any data, you can distinuish only between 256 states. Using a maximum of 250 notebooks means that the current data structure in EN's database format forsees only one byte to represent a notebook. Widening this limit needs to change the database structure on server and ALL supported client environments. Might be a nightmare...

Regarding "Notes and data store in evernote are not private.": I got the same answer from support - together with a further argument: On some clients, data is synced only on demand. In this case, a search is processed on server site. If data would be encrypted on server site, a search would be impossible.

This is true - but if a user knows about this and decides to used data encryption on servers, it's his choice. So I'm with you: EN should offer a possibility to encrypt data on server site. Users may use clients with full data replication (like on Windows and on Mac (AFAIK)).

In my opinion (as a developer), it would be easier to implemement data encryption than opening a 250 notebooks limit. And it would help to convice customers that EN will never read note contents ;-). Living with less than 250 notebooks IS possible. 

 

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I'd really like to be able to have more than 250 notebooks too.
In my case, I upgraded my account to Business and started using and moved notes there since it has higher limit for things except the note size. So I'd also like to see note size limits go a little higher too.

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I totally agree with those who feel that 250 is too small for a Premium paid account. I have a small university research lab and its very important to create folders based on different levels of access. I have used Evernote Premium for as long as I can remember an now that I'm up against that 250 notebook limit it is severely impacting teh way we share information. Tags are confusing and not an option especially since it doesn't lend itself to different levels of access. MS Onenote has no such limits and unfortunately if I can't add more notebooks I will have to switch over to that until evernote management addresses this. Kind of sad that the Evernote Premium account has become a second class citizen and offers less value than free Onenote

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Apart from the system of tags, I would personally like to create more Notebooks. And also the maximum size of a clip ...larger. I'm just bumping out of the 200 MB limit. Admittedly, these are proper web clips, but it should not be allowed. OneNote does not have all these restrictions and is free. I myself would already get ahead with say 500 -750 Notebooks (business  = 10.000 nb's) and I think max clipsize 300-350 MB. EN is clipping all the time and after a while, it is reported that the clip is larger than 200 MB. Frustrating. On the other hand, I have to say that it is great for clips of more normal sizes and that the EN webclipper is superior to ON WC 2.0. But something strange is that OneNote, knows as a free product (or within Office) have practically no system limitation on all fronts (!). 100.000 notes in EN: ok, a lot. But if I clip, let's say 300 clips a day (not every day) ... and then? I pay for Premium, but there are limits for my personal future use. That future will determine whether I will continue to use EN Premium. Many reviews worldwide and user (!) are exactly the same to conclude. Then there can ring an alarm bell at the EN team ...

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