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Nesting Multiple Notebooks / Creating Sub-Notebooks

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On 4/19/2020 at 4:24 PM, Me_in_VA said:

If EN can make it happen, I would definitely use it a lot more.

Well,  they may be in the process of expanding the options available... or they may not. We won't know until the next iteration of the Editor is launched onto an unsuspecting world.  Have to say that I feel I could manage your situation in one notebook with tags for years,  months and categories and saved searches to generate 'virtual' folders for (forinstance) Gaz for the month of April 2020 and commission for 'random replies'. But that's just me.  (Oh - and the saved searches could be made into Dashboards showing the constantly updated status of each employee for all their commissions with an add-in called Filterize... if you wanted.)

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On 4/19/2020 at 8:24 AM, Me_in_VA said:

I would love to see EN add the ability to create sub-folders. It would be a great addition to using tags in keeping my data organized.

Evernote has no support for folders 

Instead, Evernote has two metadata fields; Notebooks and Tags

>Each year has a main folder. Then each month has a folder in the year'sfolder. Then I have sub-folders in each month's folder for each category of commissions that gets paid out.

You can use multiple levels in the Tag feature   
Folders can be emulated using the TagTree in the sidebar

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On 4/19/2020 at 11:24 AM, Me_in_VA said:

The ability to have a main folder for a specific topic and then to have sub-folders in the main folder allows me to place all my data concerning the main topic into separate folders according to sub-categories. Once I have these sub-folders filled with some data I can add tags to help me locate what I need.

Tags can be used across notebooks, and are an effective way to group related notes, wherever they are. One other option: if you have a main note, you might want to turn it into a "table of contents" note by using note links to directly link to other, related notes. I use a combination of tags and note links myself.

 

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Clearly reasons don't matter after 10+ years, so I won't even bother.  This would be a great feature to have.  I find it difficult to believe customers would be turned off to EN if such a feature was implemented, yet many of us fight this lack of function all the time.  I will keep looking for a replacement.  Being a software developer, I find it hard to believe there is a technical reason to not implement this,  hence my reason not to even bother with reasons.  EN has to want to ....

Please implement more nesting in the stacks.  Thank you!

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I use OneNote for personal notes and lists specifically because of the page feature within each note. It's a game changer. That platform isn't supported by my organization and I almost lost a ton of days when I started using it for work notes. So I switched to Evernote, which is supported. As soon as my org starts supporting One Note, which or plans to do, I will be switching back. OneNote not only has the page feature, it also allows you to type or handwrite anywhere on the page--just like in a paper notebook. It's so great! Evernote catch up and I can stay with you.

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Hi there probably this is an duplicated request

But here it goes.

The only feature that i really miss, and for that reason i use other tools for other type of tools is the lack of more sub folders.

I know the tags are very important but some times i just like to have everything tidy.

And more sub levels of notes its very important.

At this point evernote allows us to have 2 levels "Notebooks"->2 and ->3

But there is much need for more levels for instance.

Notebooks

                 2 -> Bills

                                  3- House Bills

                                                          4-> Whater Bills

                                                          5 -> Energy bills

                                                          6 -> Internet Bills

                                                          7 -> Phone Bills

So i can have this organization, i have to remove the sub folder to have all the bills folder under the Bills

But If i have Car Bills?, and place them under the "bills" will be in the middle of the House bills.

It will be Like this

        Notebooks

                         2->Bills

                                                         4-> Whater Bills

                                                          5 -> Energy bills

                                                          6 -> Internet Bills

                                                          7 -> Phone Bills

                                                          8-> Mechanic Bills

                                                          9 -> GAS Bill

                                                          10 -> TAX Bills

                                                          11 -> EZPASS Bill

Would be better organized if i could have another subfolder under "Bills" so i can have house bills, car bills, school bills etc.

Like this i have other examples. This is just one:)

The software is incredible and this is the only feature i feel that is missing (for me of course)

                                         

 

 

 

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Unfortunately we can only have 3 levels of organization:

"Pile of notebooks > notebooks > notes"

This is a big problem for me. Thats the specific point i cant use evernote for everything. I cant understand why we cant have the option to create more levels

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I am organizing my EN-Notebooks via STACKS. Stacks usually are based on anchor topics under which I organize particular notebooks (threads). Over time, for me it became apparent that it would help if there were the possibility of a >STACK Hierarchy< meaning >a stack in a stack in a stack< .... the depth of 3 would be my best guess.... after that it gets hard (at least for me) to manage oversight.

Appreciate your consideration.

h-o-m-a

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3 hours ago, h-o-m-a said:

it would help if there were the possibility of a >STACK Hierarchy< meaning >a stack in a stack in a stack< .... the depth of 3 would be my best guess

I've merged your post with the discussion for Notebook hierarchy.  
Stacks were never implemented as a defined entity and a stack hierarchy is impossible
(a stack with no notebooks doesn't exist) 

Currently, the only hierarchy supported is the Tags feature, with an unlimited hierarchy

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16 hours ago, FigueiredoLuis said:

Unfortunately we can only have 3 levels of organization:

"Pile of notebooks > notebooks > notes"

This is a big problem for me. Thats the specific point i cant use evernote for everything. I cant understand why we cant have the option to create more levels

Notebooks can be organized into stacks   
For unlimited organization levels, use the Tags feature

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This has turned into a never ending cycle of "we want this thing", "you can't do that thing but you can do this thing", "No, that's not the same thing at all, I want the thing done properly", " no, you can't do that but you can do this", "face palm"

 

It's just insane that so many people have asked for a decent hierarchy in Evernote, only to be told that they don't really when actually, they do and it's not an ureasonable thing to ask. So I[m going to cut myself off from this discussion before the sheer stupidity of it explodes my head.

 

Byby.

 

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5 hours ago, kimaldis said:

It's just insane that so many people have asked for a decent hierarchy in Evernote

@h-o-m-a is a new user to the forums, and seems unaware of the Evernote feature-sets 
The user is asking for assistance in using levels of organization

>>So I'm going to cut myself off from this discussion before the sheer stupidity of it explodes my head.

And others will continue to assist users with their inquiries

 

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5 hours ago, kimaldis said:

This has turned into a never ending cycle of "we want this thing", "you can't do that thing but you can do this thing", "No, that's not the same thing at all, I want the thing done properly", " no, you can't do that but you can do this", "face palm"

 

It's just insane that so many people have asked for a decent hierarchy in Evernote, only to be told that they don't really when actually, they do and it's not an ureasonable thing to ask. So I[m going to cut myself off from this discussion before the sheer stupidity of it explodes my head.

 

Byby.

 

100% this. We know what we need and we know what we're asking for. It's possible. Very unclear why Evernote won't deliver.

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2 hours ago, mpmahone said:

100% this. We know what we need and we know what we're asking for.

There is a request posted at the top of the discussion.  To indicate your support, use the voting button at the top left corner

Discussion is not required

>>It's possible.

Agreed, it's quite do-able;    
Evernote has already implemented a hierarchy with the tags feature, the same technique can be used for notebooks 

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19 minutes ago, DTLow said:

And others will continue to assist users with their inquiries

By answering qeustions that have been asked and ansered dozens and dozens of times. It's a waste of time and it's poor forum etiquette. Most forums you wouldn't get away with it.

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5 minutes ago, kimaldis said:

By answering qeustions that have been asked and ansered dozens and dozens of times. It's a waste of time and it's poor forum etiquette. Most forums you wouldn't get away with it.

From the forum Code of Conduct

  1. Do not chastise new users/newbies for asking questions or posting comments that may already be answered elsewhere. We get new users in the forums every day.

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That's the question. If it's not possible, please consider that for next updates.

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In fact this is the feature i miss in evernote.
I waitied and hesitated more than six months to move from OneNote to Evernote only because Evernote does not have this feature.
But due to OneNotes non-userfirendly mobile app, finally i had to move to Evernote. Since then I have been longing for this feature.
Now, the moment I get this from RELANOTE, I will defintely jump out unless Evernote bring this Sub-Folder features very quickly.

 

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2 hours ago, Abu.Aabdullah.Ahsan said:

In fact, this is the feature (more Sub-Folders of NoteBooks) i miss in evernote for last 3 years.
I waitied and hesitated more than six months to move from OneNote to Evernote only because Evernote does not have this feature.
But due to OneNotes non-userfirendly mobile app, finally i had to move to Evernote. Since then I have been longing for this feature.
Now, the moment I get this from RELANOTE, I will defintely jump out unless Evernote bring this Sub-Folder features very quickly.

I stuck with Evernote for almost 3 years waiting for this to arrive, then I found Nimbus Note imported everything from Evernote and switched over. Annoyingly I still have to use Evernote as I have an Evernote scanner but cancelled my premium account. This thread was started well over 10 years ago now, this is just never going to happen, I feel sorry for everyone who has stressed their frustration and the response on the forums has always been the same. You are wrong you don't need subfolders, tags is amazing, its so sad when a company lectures their customers instead of actually listening. I had an issue with Nimbus a while back, emailed them and got a response back straight from the development team, was fixed a few weeks later services just does note compare with Evernote!!!

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1 hour ago, x9sim9 said:

the response on the forums has always been the same. You are wrong you don't need subfolders, tags is amazing, its so sad when a company lectures their customers instead of actually listening.

I think the response is correct - subfolders aren't absolutely necessary for everyone - I manage 50,000+ notes happily within this current system.

But some users clearly feel that they're essential to their particular workflow,  which is perfectly reasonable - except that Evernote never has had subfolders and has never suggested that subfolders will be available in future.  It's fair enough to request that a new feature be added,  but whether or when that gets done is up to the company. It's entirely their choice.

As to lecturing users,  Evernote -as is their normal position- has never made any comment about whether subfolders are good or bad,  other than for one of their employees to point out that the design structure of the base database prevents them from adding a hierarchy in the same format as a tag hierarchy. 

Evernote currently service a community of users something like twice the population of Mexico spread around the world.  Changing the structure of a database in daily use by so many would be like changing the tyres on one race car while it's fully committed to overtaking another.

Ironically Evernote are (they say) in process of completely re-coding all of their apps for all operating systems (See the Evernote Blog), so they may have already included some feature upgrades. But they don't preview details, so we'll probably have to wait until the new versions hit the streets to see what new features exist.

...And while new players in this market with way fewer users can react to individual comments,  Evernote simply have too many users to respond individually - hence this forum.

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5 hours ago, x9sim9 said:

its so sad when a company lectures their customers instead of actually listening. ...subfolders...

I don't see Evernote "lecturing", but it's true the product doesn't support folders/subfolders
Users requiring this legacy methodology should be looking at other products   
fwiw  Some users emulate folders and subfolders using the notebook/tag trees

I merged these posts with the primary discussion for this feature

There's a story about Henry Ford not listening to customers - they were asking for faster horses   

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In reading the Posts in the subject of Sub-Notebooks / Nested Notebooks I noticed that these requests go back to 2006/2008 with little if any response from Evernote. I hate tags. They don't work and they are a pain to try and use. They don't work for me. I've tried. It isn't logical and doesn't make sense. I need to be able to see and move around in the hierarchy so that I can properly manage my content. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for Evernote personnel to understand that we all have different needs and ways of doing things and thus Evernote shouldn't seek the lowest common denominator, but rather EN should seek to expand OUR options so that Evernote becomes more flexible and tolerant of it's customers needs. 

My need is to have are as follows. Hopefully someone at Evernote will respond with a respectful,  customer-centric answer

Folder one with Subject name 

+1. Manuscripts = Folder

         +1. Non-Fiction = Folder

               +1. Coding = Folder

                        +1. PHP = Folder

                                   +1. Custom Reference = Folder

                                           Form Handling = Document

                                           Functions = Document

                                           OOP = Document

                       + 2. Javascript

                                   +1. Notes

                        +3. Python

                       + 4. React

                        +5. JQuery

                        +6. JSON

                        +7. MongoDB

                        +8. Ruby

        + 2. Fiction = Folder

                  +1. Literary = Folder

                          + 1.Titles = Folder

                                  +1. Cold Springs Farm = Folder

                                        +1.Characters = Folder

                                           + 1. Charlotte Parker = Folder

                                                        Backstory = Document

                                                        Personality traits and descriptions  = Document

                                            +2. Raymond Stiles

                                        +2. Locations

                                             +1. Cold Springs Farm

                                             +2. Parker County Court house

                                      

                                  +2. The Lighter Side of Death   

                           +2. Reference

                   +Genre

                          +SciFi

                          +Thriller

                          +Fantasy

                          +Romance

 

If there is a way I can see this type of visualization with TAGS, and since I've paid, someone at EN can tutor me in how to use tags to achieve this visualization of the nested folders, then by all means please show me how to do it. Otherwise, nested folders are what is called for and is what I need. 

Thanks 

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7 hours ago, tommy@tommybalassa.com said:

I need to be able to see and move around in the hierarchy so that I can properly manage my content.

Not a function I need, but the notebook/tag trees should be useful

>>I hate tags. They don't work and they are a pain to try and use. They don't work for me. I've tried. It isn't logical and doesn't make sense. 

Notebooks and Tags are two fields in a note's metadata   
I successfully make use of both fields

Tags are Evernote's primary tool for organization   
I see advantages    
- multiple assignments to notes        
- hierarchy for unlimited levels   
- 100,000 limit

 

I merged your post with the primary discussion for this feature   
To indicate your support, use the vote button at the top left corner of the discussion

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15 hours ago, MancChris said:

Simply put, I would find it very useful if Evernote could allow for a directory structure for organising notebooks and sub notebooks similar to how we can use folders and sub folders on Windows.

 At present, Evernote only allows a two level hierarchy for Notebooks.  This is implemented by grouping notebooks into Stacks

Please add your vote to the request above.  Voting buttons are in the top left corner of the discussion 

>>if I want to organise notes for writing a novel, I could call the main notebook 'Novel', and then have sub notebooks called 'characters', 'theme', etc.  Within 'Character'  I could then have sub-notebooks like 'David', 'Sarah', etc containing notes about those characters.

A work-around is to use a standard naming convention; for example

  • Novel
  • Novel - Characters
  • Novel - Characters - David
  • Novel - Characters - Sarah
  • Novel - Theme

 

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We don't have sub-notebooks, but you can organize tags into a hierarchy. This may allow you to set up the organizational scheme you're looking for.

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