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Hi all,

 

We're happy to announce the all-new Penultimate app was released today. Penultimate 6.0 is a complete redesign of the best digital handwriting app on iPad. Version 6.0 is focused around smoother writing and better organization.

 

Included in Penultimate 6.0:

  • New UI for focused writing
  • Write in full screen and keep writing without stopping to add new pages. Use two fingers to scroll up and down notes.
  • Create new notes, and access different kinds of paper, more quickly
  • New highlighting tool
  • Improved connection process, writing quality, and accuracy for the Jot Script stylus
  • More powerful search
  • View by default all Evernote notebooks that contain Penultimate notes
  • Access and add notes to your Evernote notebooks, including business notebooks
  • View your Penultimate notes in Evernote

Let us know what you think.

 

You can download the Penultimate app from the App Store. You can purchase the Jot Script Evernote Edition Stylus by Adonit in the Evernote Market.

 

Cheers!

 

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To all users 

Penultimate V5.  was 45mb  new upgrade was 17mb -       This was never an update as old app was not bloated.

Evernote I say again you knew this was not really an update and if it was you were duplicitous in knowing in advance we were going to lose a huge amount of functionality necessary for the app to work as original and chose to not inform us. Sadly so

I appreciate you needed to rewrite oops sorry upgrade the v5. and would have migrated as all your users would have when V6 was READY for release.

Act smart for customers who love this app - give us the ability to roll back until the update is working

Allow us to have V5.  and V6 on our iPads simultaneously and many of us will give you positive feedback on issues needed to become functional and we can maintain our functionality viaV5.. and connectivity with the app and company we came to love

As Maxwell would say    GET Smart   and do not lose us - many of us are still on your side despite our HEAVY losses in time and functionality at this stage.

Forcing us to move due to silence and hoping it all goes away is not a workaround 

Communicating with us will keep us loyal to your endeavours.

 

If you updated to v6 on iPad and do not have an independent backup in your computer of the old v5 notebooks - well we are screwed as the format changed

I updated to V6 and realising my /error I backed up my iPad via iTunes and restored using the V5. app. Notebooks would not sync back into V5. app - Soooo restored and now left with v6 and multiple toilet roles

 

I tried to roll back as I had the old penultimate V5 on my computer without notebooks backed up as not all of us use evernote or iTunes 

So can achieve a clean version of v5. Penultimate -though my old notebooks are gone gone gone

 

Truly evernote even the update has not solved the issues and it remains for my and many others a non functional product - I need this for my work 

Please take the advice and roll back for us all and when V6 is ready we will all migrate

Biggest lesson is BACKUP INDEPENDENTLY YOUR data - had I done that I would still be on V% and waiting for a useable upgrade.

Help us we are all appealing to you - stop ignoring us we are in December now and still no sign of fixes

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Despite having successfully downgrading, I'm taking this time to evaluate other note taking apps as I rely heavily on notes.  I have used Bamboo paper in the past, liked it but am still evaluating others such as GoodNotes, NoteShelf and Notes Plus to really see which app best suits my needs.  

 

Notes Plus has a free trial app called INKredible and this looks promising.  Though notes plus is pricy ($9.99) they are having an App Store sale tomorrow, Nov 20, for $1.99.  (disclaimer, I do not work for them, just letting people know they can save a buck)

 

Since Evernote is silent and has no appreciation of the serious problems they caused with a poorly  thought out update, I no longer have any faith in their product.  Sad because I was a user from the beginning.  I also realize that I need to keep vigilant as this has opened my eyes to the amount of risk exposure by being so dependent on an app such as this.  From now on I'll be keeping up on what developers are doing to apps that I rely on for daily business.  

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I fully agree with the 99% of users who have posted. This app now sucks. Was fine before, don't understand reason for changes. Whoever came up with them should be fired. UI is horrible. Anyone have recommendation for another app that was more like old Penultimate, like a journal. Good job ruining a good thing. 

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Okay mine did not work anymore either after the update. I would not let me write and when it finally registered what I was writing it was terrible and not legible. I have very neat handwriting so apparently the app is not working properly. However you can get the old version back but you need to do this fast. 

 

Step 1 - Go into your IPAD settings under app store and click off the automatic updates for apps. 

Step 2 - Delete the Penultimate APP from your IPAD

Step 3 - Connect to your IPAD to your ITUNES

Step 4 - Go to APPS and you should have the old version of Penultimate in there - Hit Install and relogin to your account...Everything will sync back over and you will be happy again!!!!

 

I am so super stoked to have my old version back that actually works!!!

 

GOOD LUCK!!!!

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My brand new iPad with my brand new stylus literally does not work with Penultimate 6.  I'm not even complaining about the new / removed features.  I can't write in it at all.  Very long lag when I write, and 8 out of 10 strokes are ether not recognized or inaccurate / poorly rendered.  

 

Can you please make the old version available for download?  Name a price.  I'll pay it.  Like an idiot, I revolved my entire job around Evernote and Penultimate and I'm pretty screwed here.  Whatever it's going to cost to get me that old version back, please PM me.  

 

Thanks

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I find it truly amazing that, considering the reviews in this forum, and the one-star ratings in the appstore (one star, only because you can't choose no stars), that the app is still available for download. It should have been pulled immediately, before even more damage was done to their reputation.

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I will totally forget this ever happened and buy my premium subscription if you make the old version available for download.  Not even remotely kidding.  Note taking on my iPad is essential to my job, and I'm unable to do it with version 6.  Not being stubborn, I literally cannot write in this, no matter how slow or how accurate I try, it's illegible scribbles.  

 

Please make the old version available for download.  Brand new customer if you do.  

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This update is just not ready for release. I can't believe it was approved for release.

It is awful.

 

Writing is just nowhere near as accurate or responsive.

Titles on the notes are gone so I have no idea which notes are which.

The highlighter is a great idea, but again just not ready.

I preferred turning pages, scrolling is a pain in the backside.

Removing the zoom and automatic panning was one of the worst ideas for the update.

 

I used the older version for work and it was incredibly useful. I can't use the updated version for work. It just isn't good enough. 

Put the original version back on for download. I will not be using this version and will use other apps until it is sorted out.

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If you are looking for something more like what the older version used to be, NOTE MOKA seems to work in a very similar way with the note taking, writing capabilities, adding pictures, turning pages...

 

A suitable alternative whilst Evernote sort out the shambles that v6 is.

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Waouuh, amazing the number of views from Friday to now!!!

 

I still have my finger crossed for a positive reaction from Evernote band.

 

If not, tomorrow's question from most of us ( I believe) will be, which App works with the Jot Scipt and can easy Synch with all our device.

 

Evernote team, please get out of this situation with a courageous decision and show us you're still the professional band we've choosen to work with!

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Dear Evernote:

I am a longtime loyal EVERNOTE brand customer . As a Premium user I have also purchased your scanner ,notebooks and at least 3 of your stylus. I use Evernote every day as part of my workday. As a sales professional, I also pass on recommendations to my customers and fellow team members at work. Evernote has always been part of this conversation.

When I heard that Penultimate had become part of Evernote , I actually switched from another note taking App to Penultimate. Unlike some , I believe. I paid for the app. Not that money is the issue .

I was excited to hear that Pennultimate was being updated . I saw. The new look icon and was ready for some new cool enhancements and improvements . Yeow- it's like I landed on another planet. I am always open to change, however

How about access to my original data?

How about a tutorial explaining how to get your notebooks ? Even Apple lets you revert to a Classic style when they try something new..

I am hoping you read the discussion notes on this issue - people are very upset. There are personal , business and education customers with problems . I am hoping that Evernote can see their way to jumping on this problem for so many loyal customers

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I'm not going to say any more about how unhappy I am with this 6.0 update, it would just be redundant after so many have already voiced the same displeasure. What I would like to ask is why you, Evernote, can be so quiet after so many have complained about it. It must be painfuly obvious by now how mutch of a mistake this update was for your reputation.

You said that you had used Beta Testers, but what controls groups did you use? Were any of these people actual penaltimate users? This update also has me wondering if Ben Zotto, the original developer for penaltimate, was even involved in this?

This update just seems very premature and a little arrogant on the developers side. To have dropped from a four star rating in the App Store to a one stare, just tells me that you really didn't know why penaltimate was so such an amazing app to begin with.

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There is a reason for all people using pages and book style format. Ancient egyptian scrolls sucks. Do you imagine a lawyer preparing his case exposition with a huge kitchen paper roll? Or a musician in a concert rolling the w.c. paper roll? Or a storyboard designer with a cart full of wallpaper rolls?

 

I think you, guys, forgot that penultimate is not a writing app. On a text edit app you can scroll down easily, but we are using Penultimate for storyboarding, interface design, planification, music writting, visual concept... all of those are not suitable for continuos scrolling. Need to be searchable, tumbnailable, sortable.

 

Also is a beaufitul detail from you to convert all landscape notes to an infinite vertical nightmare.

 

As it is now, i think this drawing define what Penultimate has become:

 

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Best part of this photo is that your picture would have to be made on paper since you sure couldn't do that quality on the new penultimate 6.

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I have been reading how to go back to the old version by syncing with iTunes on my computer. But I had never synced my iPad to my iMac before. Does anyone know if it still works even if I've never synced before the update? I don't see Penultimate listed on my computer so I don't think version 5 is there, but maybe it doesn't show until I delete and proceed? I am nervous to try it. 

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Clearly, enough has been written about the disaster that happened. I am appalled that despite the outcry, there has been no response from the developers. NONE. As someone who spent his saturday printing and salvaging whatever notes i could, i feel badly for the hundreds of educators, classrooms, collaboraters, and note-takers who have been affected.

 

Penultimate used to be in my ipad's DOCK. Now it's deleted. Given their silence, there is NO WAY i am going to back-hack or restore previous version, nor wait around for the company to fix (better yet, throw out) version 6. I only hope that everyone responsible for this disaster learns something from it. I WILL take my frustration out on evernote, because they are the company ultimately responsible for this disaster. Premium membership? no thanks. I am already looking to replace that app, too.

 

After doing some research, i am finding that both Noteshelf and GoodNotes are acceptable alternatives - and they work NOW, when I need to work...

 

And SHAME on the apple store for declaring this mess a 'best new app" ???!!!

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Clearly, enough has been written about the disaster that happened. I am appalled that despite the outcry, there has been no response from the developers. NONE. As someone who spent his saturday printing and salvaging whatever notes i could, i feel badly for the hundreds of educators, classrooms, collaboraters, and note-takers who have been affected.

 

Penultimate used to be in my ipad's DOCK. Now it's deleted. Given their silence, there is NO WAY i am going to back-hack or restore previous version, nor wait around for the company to fix (better yet, throw out) version 6. I only hope that everyone responsible for this disaster learns something from it. I WILL take my frustration out on evernote, because they are the company ultimately responsible for this disaster. Premium membership? no thanks. I am already looking to replace that app, too.

 

After doing some research, i am finding that both Noteshelf and GoodNotes are acceptable alternatives - and they work NOW, when I need to work...

 

And SHAME on the apple store for declaring this mess a 'best new app" ???!!!

If you actually read this thread, you'd notice that an Evernote employee, Joshua Taylor, has chimed in at least a half dozen times within the fits few pages.

Take a deep breath,

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I find it truly amazing that, considering the reviews in this forum, and the one-star ratings in the appstore (one star, only because you can't choose no stars), that the app is still available for download. It should have been pulled immediately, before even more damage was done to their reputation.

They (Evernote) have screwed up thousands of users lives so far, wasting tons of individuals time, affecting their work and education lives, and significantly raising anxieties. This is not a little case of pesky loyal users who just don't like the look and feel of change. If they (Evernote) had any integrity and cared, they would take down v6.0 immediately....they have and are not.

I will give them till Monday afternoon...at which point they will officially be labeled Pathetic.

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I have been preaching Evernote to my entire school, not to mention my students that have tablets. I use penultimate at home, at church, anywhere I would normally use pen and paper. I was in the middle class notes when it updated, then I couldn't write in it. I tried again this morning in church. I was supposed to be taking notes on the sermon, but I was trying to work penultimate. The writing is messy, I want the old version back. I liked the nice notebooks that I had organized. I miss the notebook covers that tell me what was in them. The worst part is that we can't turn pages like we used to and we don't have titles to our notes. Can this be fixed?

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I have been reading how to go back to the old version by syncing with iTunes on my computer. But I had never synced my iPad to my iMac before. Does anyone know if it still works even if I've never synced before the update? I don't see Penultimate listed on my computer so I don't think version 5 is there, but maybe it doesn't show until I delete and proceed? I am nervous to try it. 

 

No. If you have never used iTunes to sync your iPad and/or never used iTunes to download and install an old version of Penultimate, you're pretty much screwed — your computer will never have touched the app or downloaded the .ipa package. With a bit of luck, and some measure of cheekery, you might be able to find a pirated version of the app circulated on jailbreak sites for those who got themselves locked out of the app store. Short of someone hosting and linking their .ipa here, that's your best bet.

 

 

 

If you actually read this thread, you'd notice that an Evernote employee, Joshua Taylor, has chimed in at least a half dozen times within the fits few pages.

Take a deep breath,

 

 

The thing is that those answers happened very early before the deluge of complaints came rolling in, and they only addressed a very minute selection of issues (note disappearance and pen connection) — neither of which they were actually able to do anything about. They were some immediate answers to critical functionality loss that were jotted down during the lunch break just after release — nothing more. Everything that has come to light once people started upgrading breaking their installs en masse is left without comment.

 

It's been two full work days and a week-end since then, and in fairness, the estimation that nothing has been answered is 100% accurate. While it may be understandable that they can't really do anything outside of office hours, a tiny peep to say that, yes, they've actually noticed that the current version is an abject failure would help a lot — it's crisis communication 101. This should have happened Thursday evening, not (as is the best we can hope for now) Monday morning.

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Hard to stay clam in the face of such silence, when my business week has started (its Monday where I live) and the tool I use in my business meetings is now useless.  In fact I did take a deep breath and decided not to rely upon the organisation who so completely misread their user and destroyed the functionality of a brilliant app.  Evernote have a long way back now.  What's that they say about reputations?  good reputations take forever to build, and a moment to lose.  *snap*

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My god, this is bad! Ever since you announced that there would soon be an update to Penultimate, I have been excited, but this "update" takes Penultimate back to the look, feel and horrible experience of inferior handwriting apps years ago. Gone is the drift feature, replaced with what appears to be a speed-writing contest. Gone is the smooth ink flow and -rendering that gave the look and feel of writing with a fountain pen, replaced by jagged, horrible ink and bad alignment with the tip of the Jot Script. 

 

I had just made the decision to finally nuke Notability from my iPad. Glad I didn't. Please fix all of the issues noted by the other respondents, and quickly! 

Bjorn, I just wanted to check to make sure your stylus is connected. In the writing view when the menu is expanded, the stylus icon should be highlighted blue. When you tap it you can reconnect if it gets connected for some reason. Additionally, changing your wrist position often improves the stylus accuracy. Try that and let us know if you have any luck. 

 

joshua -

my stylus crapped out about 6 months after I purchased it.  I had to restart bluetooth on it every few minutes.  I gave up and went to a $10.00 stylus.  Worked great.  That is, until now.

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I hate it for all the reasons everyone mentioned. My only additional recommendation is everyone goes to the App Store a gives it a 1 star review in hopes that puts additional pressure on Evernote to fix it.

We are actively working on many of the issues noted here. No additional pressure needed :)

"Actively working on many of the issues?" Josh does Evernote not realize what a complete disaster this is? Why is v5 not back in the store? Probably 1 in a hundred posts, tweets etc are even remotely positive. We don't want v6.0.1 we need v5 until you guys trash v6 and improve on v5 to make v7.

Why has there not been a public acknowledgment from Evernote on this? Bite the bullet and admit you guys totally missed the boat on this. It will go a long way on keeping the the people who have not switched apps already.

I have purchased Noteshelf and will be using it on Monday morning at work going forward. There will be a point of no return where it won't matter if v5 comes back or v6.1 "fixes" this.

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Yes, after a bit of testing I am doing the same - just working out how I can transfer over Penultimate pages into Noteshelf - which looks like it might be reasonably easy by exporting Penultimate as a PDF and then opening this in Noteshelf - keeping my fingers crossed that it works......

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I Cannot imagine that Evernote sustains it is "happy" to have launched the new Penultimate. 99% of the users here are negative, I endorse most of the criticism:

- Evernote violates its brand promise to never lose your information. Many users did.

- the not script performance is astonishingly bad: it keeps losing strokes, has many glitches, only creates wobbly irregular handwriting. It is no match to GoodNotes. How could Evernote fail to improve while a better app than theirs is on the market already?

- failure to understand usage. Loss of ease of navigation ( scroll with fingers...gr.....).

- inability to use different paper styles in one notebook.

- most users used a notebook as a collection of notes. penultimate changes this and interprets a notebook to be one note.

- I have just paid 80 euros for the jot script and it is useless.

My conclusion is tha t Evernote has decided that 1) people should write shorter notes ( and not notebooks), 2) should be locked on more to Evernote, 3) customers are better off in GoodNotes 4) data protection of customers is compromiseable.

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Clearly, enough has been written about the disaster that happened. I am appalled that despite the outcry, there has been no response from the developers. NONE. As someone who spent his saturday printing and salvaging whatever notes i could, i feel badly for the hundreds of educators, classrooms, collaboraters, and note-takers who have been affected.

 

Penultimate used to be in my ipad's DOCK. Now it's deleted. Given their silence, there is NO WAY i am going to back-hack or restore previous version, nor wait around for the company to fix (better yet, throw out) version 6. I only hope that everyone responsible for this disaster learns something from it. I WILL take my frustration out on evernote, because they are the company ultimately responsible for this disaster. Premium membership? no thanks. I am already looking to replace that app, too.

 

After doing some research, i am finding that both Noteshelf and GoodNotes are acceptable alternatives - and they work NOW, when I need to work...

 

And SHAME on the apple store for declaring this mess a 'best new app" ???!!!

 

As was stated. There are a few responses from an Evernote employee on the first few pages. Unfortunately, not much has been said since; so, it can definitely feel like crickets...but, it's been 3 days - it's difficult to change direction that fast - especially when the app submission process takes roughly a week and is completely out of Evernote's hands.

 

Further, the algorithm for placing an app in the new and noteworthy section only partially works that way from my experience and understanding as a developer myself. It's still kind of automatic and Penultimate would have experienced a lot of downloads and updates when it was updated; thereby, making it new and noteworthy.

 

Finally, this incident has forced me to reevaluate my note taking needs, which is probably for the best as I had been doing the same thing for a long time. So far, I've actually decided to abandon handwritten notes altogether. Dictation on OS X and iOS has come a long way. I type very fast, and don't have to worry about retyping. I've picked up Bamboo Paper or Pixelmator, depending, and the FineLine stylus for sketching ideas and will be using the Apple Notes app with a Qode keyboard case from Belkin for the iPad (using Adobe Ideas on the phone).

 

This workflow should allow a lot of flexibility as the Notes app is available on all devices running OS X and iOS - with iCloud integration. The sketches can be exported to image/PDF format, I can then use them as rotoscopes in Illustrator, PhotoShop, or Pixelmator. Because the notes will already be typed, if I need to put them in an email, Pages document, Numbers spreadsheet, or whatever other digital media, it's just a copy and paste away. So, in a way, I would like to legitimately thank you Evernote for helping me bust my cycle (http://youtu.be/2pvQgd8eHGE?list=PLpOgGfkVc1t_qI5R5hSxnBV6hWG8ts-zh) it's made me realize that some really cool stuff has been happening while I've been using Penultimate.

 

Having said that, someone did respond to my ticket letting me know that the new Penultimate would be a single scrolling note similar to the way Evernote works...which could get interesting in the future if an OCR was applied to Penultimate notes that would convert them to Evernote entries...not that Evernote's heading that way. Hopefully, we'll be able to figure out how to get my notebooks back so I can export them (I was a day late in implementing my personal backup strategy specific to Penultimate)...otherwise, I will experience the cycle of not having my data lost busted, which is the wrong cycle to bust in my opinion.

 

Best wishes.

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If you actually read this thread, you'd notice that an Evernote employee, Joshua Taylor, has chimed in at least a half dozen times within the fits few pages.

Take a deep breath,

 

 

 

This is true, but I have been following this thread from day one and this is the first time I am seeing any sort of response from the evernote team. They were not there before despite having the post date on the 13th. Never the less I'm happy to see that they are at least trying to to acknowledge this mistake. I will however continue to stay with my downgraded v5 until I see these " significant improvements", thats are said to be made.

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As someone mentioned in the other thread please release the old version as "penultimate classic". Unfortunately I did not back up with iTunes and have installed 4 different note taking apps so far to see if I can find anything close. I like the writing in bamboo paper, but no searchable notes. Please help it is totally unfair that we weren't at least warned to back up before this downgrade.

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As someone mentioned in the other thread please release the old version as "penultimate classic". Unfortunately I did not back up with iTunes and have installed 4 different note taking apps so far to see if I can find anything close. I like the writing in bamboo paper, but no searchable notes. Please help it is totally unfair that we weren't at least warned to back up before this downgrade.

 

There is a sort of solution for searchable notes in Bamboo paper, even though not direct. You can save notebooks to Evernote in pdf format. Evernote makes them searchable. You have then to switch to the Evernote app to search them.

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Thank you to those who posted instructions in these forums on how to revert back to version 5. I'm lucky I had saved a copy, the instructions worked, life is good again after a very anxious 48 hours.

Lesson learned; I have turned off the auto-update feature on my iPad. I don't ever want to be surprised like this again. And what a poor reflection on the Apple experience as well! Apple take note!

 

To Evernote/Penultimate-

This was a terrible example of how to release an update to your loyal customers. Add me to the unhappy list. I predict this will become a classic business school case study on how not to manage a software update. Evernote, you have a lot to learn from this episode. The v5 paradigm works great, v6 does not, and I hope you can find your way back to a rational design approach.

 

As a business professional, I have a core requirement to be able to easily segment topics within each notebook. I have over 50 notebooks, and as time goes on I refer back to my notebook segments to update them with new information, including adding additional pages to insert more notes as needed. In v5 it's easy to navigate the notebook and the various sections I have established using the multi page view. It does not look like scroll supports this requirement very well at all. I agree with a previous post that said; there is a good reason why we abandoned the ancient scroll centuries ago in favor of books. 

 

I also found the v6 approach to writing to be very inefficient, challenging, and of extremely low quality. Maybe I did not fully understand the intent of this new approach (was there any instruction provided by Evernote? If so I never saw it), and managing the zoom box on the page and the rolling feature simply did not work well for me. I'm open to change, I gave it a try, but at this point I'm not seeing any benefit, just downside.

 

I have influenced at least 15 to 20 people to use Penultimate, I hope they were not negatively impacted by v6. I did learn through this experience just how valuable my notes in Penultimate are to me. The thought that this application and my notes could become essentially un-useable due to a reckless software update has me concerned and evaluating the alternatives, as should all current and potential users of Penultimate software.

 

P.S. the JotSript pen i had been using successfully since January started working only intermittently in September. Feedback from Evernote support was that I needed to use a special 1.5v battery, despite 9 months of successful use with standard 1.5v batteries. I've heard other users who have had negative experiences with the pen. Caution, it's expensive!

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Clearly, enough has been written about the disaster that happened. I am appalled that despite the outcry, there has been no response from the developers. NONE. As someone who spent his saturday printing and salvaging whatever notes i could, i feel badly for the hundreds of educators, classrooms, collaboraters, and note-takers who have been affected.

 

Penultimate used to be in my ipad's DOCK. Now it's deleted. Given their silence, there is NO WAY i am going to back-hack or restore previous version, nor wait around for the company to fix (better yet, throw out) version 6. I only hope that everyone responsible for this disaster learns something from it. I WILL take my frustration out on evernote, because they are the company ultimately responsible for this disaster. Premium membership? no thanks. I am already looking to replace that app, too.

 

After doing some research, i am finding that both Noteshelf and GoodNotes are acceptable alternatives - and they work NOW, when I need to work...

 

And SHAME on the apple store for declaring this mess a 'best new app" ???!!!

If you actually read this thread, you'd notice that an Evernote employee, Joshua Taylor, has chimed in at least a half dozen times within the fits few pages.

Take a deep breath,

Chiming in to suggest that they are not looking at the resolution we are demanding. I have abandoned too. I am still on evernote forums to get ideas from other disaffected ex premium users as to what new system they are going to use to replace evernote and penultimate. The trust is 100% gone. Deep breaths won't help.

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I feel for those who have lost notes, but clearly I have use Penultimate in an entirely different way. I really thought that whole object of the app was to write notes then sync with Evernote.

That's what I do, which means once the note is synced I have it where I want it, in evernote. So if all my notes fall into a black hole, I still have the data.

I am surprised to hear of users who depend so much on this app without a backup.

Thankfully though, I've managed to restore the previous version.

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Hoping that Evernote realizes what a mess this is and reverts back to the last version. In the meantime, I've been exploring and Noteshelf is pretty great. Smooth writing, backs up to Evernote so I can search notes there, and I can import PDFs to mark on, too. That may be where I end up. I like my Evernote, but very much dislike this version of Penultimate!

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The fact that I just received an email saying and I quote "penultimate 6.0 + jot script. Upgraded to work better together." Is so idiotic it's funny

And no evernote, I'm not feeling like handing you any money right now for a fancy stylus or a $70 business card case..

FIX YOUR APP!!

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Wow!  I also got the email announcing Penultimate 6 + jot script, and decided to see if the limitations of jot script had been addressed to the point that it would be worth buying one.  Reading this thread, definitely answers that question.  I like evernote a lot, but it's scary that they could release something this bad.   Glad I checked this forum before buying.

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This app, pre-update, was easily the best note taking app available. Today's (11/13/14) update took away Penultimate's best features, being able to zoom in anywhere on the page and write at your own pace. You're now forced to write in a specified area of the app when zooming in regardless of you're writing style and forced to write at a set speed. The app pre-update allowed the user to customize everything from where they wanted to position the zoomed in feature and at what speed they wanted to write. The app would even stop scrolling when lifting your stylus. Evernote/Penultimate, please correct these two items.

Penultimate on iOS 8.1 iPad Air

Bob67 - how did you sync with the old version? I desperately need to do this. Thank you in advance for your help.

We are working on some significant improvements for zoom in the next release. Are you unable to reposition the zoom box? You should be able to tap anywhere outside the zoomed area to navigate. If that's not the case let us know. Otherwise, I'm hopeful that coming improvements will meet your needs. 

 

I must agree with this comment. I just got my Jot Script today with the expectation that I would be able to use two fingers to zoom in but all I got was a box. The box is what I didn't like before getting this pen and thought that was what it would do when watching the latest video clip. Not happy. Is that feature returning in the revision? If not, as much as I like this stylus, I need to return it. I have committed to Evernote over several other cross platform systems because it has done what it says. This was the icing on the cake but all I have is cake...

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The update has moved me to Notability.  I started with Penultimate and told everyone I knew about it.  After a previous release, I noticed that writing with a stylus was working much less efficiently.  I started using Notability more, but stayed with Penultimate as my primary app.  This update has caused me to give up on Penultimate.  I like the sync with Evernote, but Notability will back up to 3 or 4 different places.  They have ruined what was the leading note taking app.

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Hi all,

 

We're happy to announce the all-new Penultimate app was released today. Penultimate 6.0 is a complete redesign of the best digital handwriting app on iPad. Version 6.0 is focused around smoother writing and better organization.

 

Included in Penultimate 6.0:

  • New UI for focused writing
  • Write in full screen and keep writing without stopping to add new pages. Use two fingers to scroll up and down notes.
  • Create new notes, and access different kinds of paper, more quickly
  • New highlighting tool
  • Improved connection process, writing quality, and accuracy for the Jot Script stylus
  • More powerful search
  • View by default all Evernote notebooks that contain Penultimate notes
  • Access and add notes to your Evernote notebooks, including business notebooks
  • View your Penultimate notes in Evernote
Let us know what you think.

 

You can download the Penultimate app from the App Store. You can purchase the Jot Script Evernote Edition Stylus by Adonit in the Evernote Market.

 

Cheers!

Hi all,

 

We're happy to announce the all-new Penultimate app was released today. Penultimate 6.0 is a complete redesign of the best digital handwriting app on iPad. Version 6.0 is focused around smoother writing and better organization.

 

Included in Penultimate 6.0:

  • New UI for focused writing
  • Write in full screen and keep writing without stopping to add new pages. Use two fingers to scroll up and down notes.
  • Create new notes, and access different kinds of paper, more quickly
  • New highlighting tool
  • Improved connection process, writing quality, and accuracy for the Jot Script stylus
  • More powerful search
  • View by default all Evernote notebooks that contain Penultimate notes
  • Access and add notes to your Evernote notebooks, including business notebooks
  • View your Penultimate notes in Evernote
Let us know what you think.

 

You can download the Penultimate app from the App Store. You can purchase the Jot Script Evernote Edition Stylus by Adonit in the Evernote Market.

 

Cheers!

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From being a brilliant app this has become a terrible application. Pls bring back the old version and just add the full screen option. I agree this is the worse upgrade ever. Upgrade suppose to make things better and easier not to create a problem.

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Can Penultimate Ipad mark up a MS Word document. In other words, if I load an existing document on Evernote, can I mark it up with Jot script pen?

As it turns out, Penultimate does not support marking up of any type of document. This has been an oft requested feature (I know I'd love PDF markup capabilities).

 

Personally I use PDF Expert 5 or Notability for marking up my PDFs. As for free-hand marking up of Word documents, I don't think I am aware of any application that allows this because this isn't something that is supported in the .docx MS Word format. The most straightforward way to markup a Word document would be to save it as a PDF first. 

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Josh,

 

Please clarify your comment regarding your statement, "...previous versions did not support access to multiple Evernote notebooks and some new features. ...".  I can live without the "new features" if it returns functionality.  What I dont' understand is the comment, "...support access to multiple Evernote notebooks ...".  What does this part mean?  I believe I have the old version in ITUNES and intend to reload from there...but I don't know what your comment means.

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MUST ROLL BACK - THIS IS CRITICALLY IMPACTING PEOPLE'S WORK

 

I unfortunately didn't have my ipad synced with my computer itunes so I can't reinstall version 5. It's killing me. I literally went BACK TO PAPER AND PEN. So frustrating.

 

Issues for me

- Responsiveness grade is F - the whole writing experience is now critically flawed. I use Jot Pro for my stylus and was just like writing in a physical notebook before. But now, the entire experience is terrible. It's not worth my time to try and slowly write, erase because it doesn't pick up 'o' or 'e' very clearly, etc.

- Note names missing! - For people who use lots of notes, how in the heck am I supposed to find the right note I'm looking for??

- Search not working well - The thumbnail view doesn't show the search terms so I don't know which to click on that has the info I'm seeking.

- Extra 'keystrokes' needed to hit buttons - I get it - less clutter... But for those who want to dock the buttons, there should be an option. It's annoying to click a bunch to get the the button you need (like erase!)

- No 'in-note' searching. I have to get out of my note to search. Annoying.

- No more pages - When you're reviewing something you wrote from a few days ago and then you want to write something new at the end of the note, there's no 'jump to end' option. So you sit there for 5 minutes two-finger scrolling until you get to the end. That's really irritating. I would much prefer having PAGES within notes. That makes a lot more sense to me. And it gives us back the feel of a physical notebook, which is why so many people like me have been devoted followers of penultimate in the first place. Lose that feel and you lose your customer base.

 

PLEASE release an update to fix these things ASAP. You're killing me....

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Josh,

 

Please clarify your comment regarding your statement, "...previous versions did not support access to multiple Evernote notebooks and some new features. ...".  I can live without the "new features" if it returns functionality.  What I dont' understand is the comment, "...support access to multiple Evernote notebooks ...".  What does this part mean?  I believe I have the old version in ITUNES and intend to reload from there...but I don't know what your comment means.

 

He means that, inside of Penultimate, you could previously only access documents that were collected in the Evernote notebook called “Penultimate”. If you wanted to work with notes from any other (Evernote) notebook, you had to move them into the Penultimate “notebook” first in order to access them from the app.

 

Now, they've unified the vocabulary across the two platforms: a Penultimate “notebook” is now an Evernote “note”; a Penultimate collection of notebooks is now an Evernote “notebook”; a Penultimate “page” is now just a segment of an Evernote note, since those notes are just long rows of mixed content. Since Evernote has no concept of pages, they have been eradicated from Penultimate as well. v6.0 allows you to navigate the entire Evernote document tree — from notebook collections down to notes, whereas before you were limited to just one notebook and the notes within it.

 

So all you're missing by reverting to a working version is that tighter Evernote integration — i.e. the thing that makes notebooks not be books any more.

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I really wanted to like this update, and I'm trying. But, there are several things that are seriously broken in this new version: 

  • PLEASE bring back Thumbnail Pages. These are CRUCIAL to navigation and organization of large notebooks!
  • Stylus functionality has declined: The "ink" is not showing up where the tip of the stylus is. It's off my a whole line. It's also "choppy" and cuts off mid word or has lag. 
  • The two-finger scroll through, while being painfully tedious for scrolling through multi-page documents, just flat-out does not work sometimes. I have to close the whole app and reopen to be able to scroll.
  • Ditto for the zoom. About every third time I go to zoom in on a page, it just does not open the panel at the bottom.
  • For the record, I do not like the new zoom function of the panel at the bottom. The old way was much more efficient and functional.
  • My notebooks that had landscape pages are not completely useless on my ipad.
  • Can no longer erase a whole page at once.

I know some of these items are a matter of preference but it sounds like a large number of your client base agree with me on these. Penultimate is the whole reason I am an evernote premium subscriber.  Please don't make me have to go find an entirely different product. Please listen to your clients and provide an update to fix these issues soon. Thank you. 

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Ok I found a way to restore the previous version of Penultimate EVEN if you have not backed up to iTunes in the past. This won't work for everyone, but is at least another option.

 

What you need is

 

  • An iPad or iPad mini that is not on iOS 8 (iOS 7 preferably)
  • Logged into your iTunes account.

 

  1. On the iPad running on iOS 7, download Penultimate
  2. You will be prompted to install the previous version (Penultimate 6.0 only works on iOS 8) - Say OK
  3. Download it, and then sync this iPad to your computer
  4. On your current iPad, delete Penultimate 6.0
  5. Plug it into your computer, and then go to Apps on iPad, find the old version, and install!

 

It is basically the same steps everyone has been suggesting, but with the caveat that you can still install the old version on an iOS 7 device, and then get it working from there.

 

So if you have a friend, wife, or just have an old iPad around, sign into your iTunes account and you will be golden!

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks very much jsessler for this - easy downgrade instructions!  Just to pile on with the many comments here already, I am hoping 6.1 will bring back much of what we all loved about 5.x .  Individual pages are just fine for me - preferred actually.  Easier to organize and rearrange.  Variable speed drift, and honestly I liked the greyed out version of the large page under the full screen zoom - easier than the upgrade to use.  Thumbnails are crucial as well - a feature that is now gone.    Until this is all fixed, I'm sticking with version 5 and have turned off automatic updates. 

 

Here are the downgrade instructions again - very happy to have this wonderful, functional everyday tool back.

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To everyone on this forum:  You can get the old version back - follow these instructions exactly, but be sure to turn off all automatic update to apps and automatic downloads to apps in your settings first.  Otherwise you will have the same problem:

 

How do I downgrade an iPhone app to a previous version?

So you were tired of those home screen badge numbers showing up on the App Store icon and you updated your iPhone apps on the go. Now whenever you use one of these updated apps it doesn't work properly or you don't like the so-called improvements made by the developer. How can you downgrade to the previous version?

1. Delete the app from your iPhone.
2. Connect your iPhone to the computer and open iTunes.
3. Do not update your apps in iTunes. Back up and sync your iPhone using iTunes.
4. When the sync is complete, click your iPhone in the left iTunes menu under DEVICES. Click the Apps tab at the top of the iTunes window. Find the app you wish to downgrade under Sync Apps.
5. Make sure the box is checked next to the app you wish to downgrade. Click the Apply button.
6. The old version of the application will be copied from your computer to the iPhone.

If you have already updated the application on your computer, or synced your iPhone before deleting the new version of the app you must follow this step first. Open the trash can or recycling bin and look for the older app version (this file will end with the suffix .ipa).

 

http://www.iphonefaq...archives/971543

 

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Evernote employees, if any of you is following this thread anymore (must be painful):

Really, really reconsider the composition of your beta test teams.

- Get someone who uses the iPad primarily in landscape mode.

- Get someone who uses massive notebooks ( tens if not hundreds of pages.)

- Get someone who doesn't use your expensive stylus.

- Get someone who uses Penultimate stand-alone (without Evernote.)

I join the call for a rollback. Bring back Penultimate Classic!

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Just take a look at this, Evernote. Only two days after your 6.0 update you ratings plumited in the app store from a four star rating to a one and a half star rating.

Loved your post!

 

There is nothing better than a clear, rational and fact based argumentation.

 

No way this will go unnoticed by Evernote.

 

If they really dont roll back the update (or do a major new update) and assume the mistake (nothing wrong with that) the only thing left will be to bury the app....

 

Cheers, 

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Evernote employees, if any of you is following this thread anymore (must be painful):

Really, really reconsider the composition of your beta test teams.

- Get someone who uses the iPad primarily in landscape mode.

- Get someone who uses massive notebooks ( tens if not hundreds of pages.)

- Get someone who doesn't use your expensive stylus.

- Get someone who uses Penultimate stand-alone (without Evernote.)

I join the call for a rollback. Bring back Penultimate Classic!

This was distributed to all beta testers. You can be a part of this beta testing team (many of us around here are) by "applying" here: Omnibus Beta Tester Beg

 

Now, I think, aside from the very obvious bugs, the design and feature choices here couldn't likely have been changed by any amount of beta testing. I suspect to a large extent these are defined by the broader vision for the application. Some whinging from beta testers isn't likely to have made a huge difference. I think the outcry here is likely to have significantly more impact. 

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Hi all,

 

We're happy to announce the all-new Penultimate app was released today. Penultimate 6.0 is a complete redesign of the best digital handwriting app on iPad. Version 6.0 is focused around smoother writing and better organization.

 

Included in Penultimate 6.0:

  • New UI for focused writing
  • Write in full screen and keep writing without stopping to add new pages. Use two fingers to scroll up and down notes.
  • Create new notes, and access different kinds of paper, more quickly
  • New highlighting tool
  • Improved connection process, writing quality, and accuracy for the Jot Script stylus
  • More powerful search
  • View by default all Evernote notebooks that contain Penultimate notes
  • Access and add notes to your Evernote notebooks, including business notebooks
  • View your Penultimate notes in Evernote

Let us know what you think.

 

You can download the Penultimate app from the App Store. You can purchase the Jot Script Evernote Edition Stylus by Adonit in the Evernote Market.

 

Cheers!

Well guys, 

 

...now that you all know what we think of the new version....

How about a general statement as to the next steps regarding the "fix" to this ....mistake?

TIPP: ...maybe fast, before "everyone" really trades the app for the competition.

 

Tks,

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I cannot believe this, it is monday evening (where I live), and still no official response to all the complaints from Evernote? There are 14 pages of (mostly) negative replies on this topic (Penultimate 6.0 update). On the (Dutch) itunes store, the newest version has got 36 1-star reviews and 2 2-star reviews.

How can this company keep quiet and not dignify with responding to this?

 

Arrogance or sheer panic?

 

Please people at Evernote, let us know what you are planning to do. Not responding is not an option!!!

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Two issues are now emerging for me from this fiasco:

  1. This thread describes in painful detail the lousy technical execution of Penultimate 6.0 in terms of functionality, user experience and brand management, which has basically been downright incompetent, just to put matters in simple language.  I had thought Evernote was run by people with two brains, multiple degrees, MBAs and whatnot who would know better than this.  Clearly they don't.  
  2. If Penultimate can be mismanaged so badly, you have to wonder about the safety and sustainability of Evernote itself.  I guess any system can go up in smoke so Evernote may be no more or less at risk than others like Dropbox and the like.  But how do we know?  Anyway, this is a useful reminder about the need for back ups, possibly including a low-tech solution called Pen & Paper.
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I'll be honest, I really love the new update for Penultimate.  It makes me enjoy using it again.  There is no sarcasm in the sentence, I truly love the update to the app.  The issues people are describing, I have not encountered, and I use the app daily for design and sketching.

 

My only issue is with the Evernote JotScript.  On the newest iPad Mini, it barely works.  It used to work great, but as I kept using it, the usability of the pen went down drastically.  I think this is a problem with the pen though, not with the app.  Good thing fingers work great. :)

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I agree with the overwhelming dislike for the product in this form.  I have used evernote for years and now it is completely useless to me.  I used to be able to open the app, click on a workbook and start writing.  Now the workflow (if there even is one) has changed so drastically, I can't function with it.  Penultimate is a separate tool from Evernote.  Get that through your thick skulls.

 

IMHO you tried to consolidate two apps into one and in doing so screwed up both!  Why don't you talk to people who use these apps everyday?  The best solution right now is to revert back and re-think how to approach the whatever it is you want to do.  IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY, WE WILL FIND AN ALTERNATIVE GO TO APP.  OUR WORKDAY GOES ON AND WE NEED TO PRODUCE EVERY DAY, AND TIME IS MONEY.  I will abandon penultimate unless this is changed within the next few days.

 

Get this: I am upset that you are wasting my time!

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How to downgrade....

Note, you need to have the previous version as part of an old(er) computer-based sync

http://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-re-install-older-version-of-apps-on-iphone-ipad/

This solution may work for some.  It did not work for me, because the deleted file will not be recognized on my iTunes as coming from an "authorized account."   I have two apple IDs, and they are unable to resolve the issue to have them reconcile to allow Penultimate 5.x to be restored.   I suspect there are a large number of us in the same boat:  the only way we will get 5.x back is if the Evernote team allows us to re-download it.   There have been several requests to do just that, but so far, they have not acknowledged that we are making the request or whether or not they can or intend to fulfill it.   For the one non-Evernote forum poster who keeps reminding us that they don't think the team can do that, I hear you, but since you aren't at Evernote, I would prefer to have them answer rather than have you continue to cheerlead for them in their inexcusable silence.   You know who you are.   

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Due to The latest messup with The penultimate 6.0 where our consultans know have to use pen and papper, some has switched app. We are thinking of terminate evernote products period in our business. You don't act or producera inferiour products The way The do. / previously happy evernote buisness customer. / buisness area manager

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I know many people have already expressed the same thoughts I am about to state, but I just feel so let down by this upgrade that I feel I must restate them.

I have used Penultimate for nearly 3 years. It has completely changed the way I work. I stopped using paper and completely moved all of my meeting note taking to Penultimate. It was brilliant. The addition of the Evernote integration and handwriting search only made things better. I have told numerous colleague about how great this app is. Immediately after auto upgrading to version 6 I nearly screwed up an interview I was conducting because I could not use the app any more to take notes. I have spend 3 days trying work with it. I tried completely ignoring the zoom feature because I found it unusable. I loved the zoom and drift feature of version 5.

I was due to attend a conference this week and needed to be able to take notes effectively, so I paid £5 to download Noteshelf, based on comments in this forum, and it is great. I can still back up my notes to Evernote easily. The writing feels fluid and easy. The zoom feature is not great, but I find that I am easily able to write effectively without using it and my handwriting is perfectly legible. In version 6 even without using zoom, the writing experience was just awful.

Noteshelf reminds me of what Penultimate used to be.

I would just like to illustrate that I was a completely happy and content Penultimate and Evernote customer who wouldn't have thought about looking at an alternative, who has now been forced to pay to buy an alternative app that does the same job that Penultimate used to do.

It is such a shame and a complete waste of many hours of time over the last week.

Evernote. Seriously - just make version 5 available again and rethink what you were trying to do with versions 6. It didn't work.

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After the arrogant response from someone on the Evernote team in the new 'FAQ topic', I've given up hoping Evernote will roll back Penultimate to the previous version anywhere in the near future.

Looking for a new note-taking app (there's already a topic on this forum dedicated to that so I'll be looking there).

Meanwhile, I'll be sure to give the Evernote app itself a 1-star rating, because I don't trust this company any more, and I don't want to be treated like this by a company.

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Yes, after a bit of testing I am doing the same - just working out how I can transfer over Penultimate pages into Noteshelf - which looks like it might be reasonably easy by exporting Penultimate as a PDF and then opening this in Noteshelf - keeping my fingers crossed that it works......

 

How did you export as a PDF? I have been trying to convert to Noteshelf this morning and can't figure out how to get my notes to export in a format that works. 

Also, do you see how to export separate pages of the notes? For my work, I routinely export individual pages as PDFs that are contained in my notes.

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Chiming in with the unhappy users here.  Made the mistake of updating while I was at the office.  I even hesitated a moment when I saw the completely restyled icon, knowing that it was a harbinger of potential iOS8 style blunders.  Should have trusted my instincts.

 

Thankfully, I was able to roll back to the previous version via iTunes when I got home from work.  Of course, after rolling back, I'm now unable to download all the previous paper types again for some reason.  But thankfully, after an exceedingly long sync time, all my notebooks came back successfully.  That's more important to me than the paper styles.

 

I gotta say... this update rendered this app completely unusable.  Who in their right mind thought this toilet paper scroll was a good idea?!  I have multiple notebooks with 100s of pages in each one--all meeting notes and diagrams and such. Trying to find specific pages with the horrible two finger scroll was pretty much impossible.  Not to mention that it only worked sporadically and left streaks across the paper most of the time.  What the heck was wrong with having actual, normal pages?  And the thumbnail view which allowed you to swiftly and easily locate the info you were looking for?

 

The loss of notebook titles was extremely disorienting.  Although, I was able to figure out how to bring the notebook titles back, that did nothing to fix the overall horrendous UX in this update.

 

The zoom window?  What a stupid idea.  One of the main reasons I went with Penultimate over numerous other apps was because it did a natural zoom that didn't split the screen into weird ways.  And the speedy-scroll that went with that little zoom box?  I consider myself a quick writer, but even I couldn't keep up with that!  Drift was a great feature that set Penultimate apart from lesser apps.  Why destroy that?

 

Penultimate is the app that got me to use Evernote and prompted me to actually pay for a Premium subscription, too.  I've convinced dozens of my coworkers and colleagues to adopt it as well, after showing them how natural and practical the app was.  Now, however, I'm contemplating going back to using Bamboo Paper again if these issues aren't resolved.

 

Very disappointed.  Left a negative review in the app store, too.  I'd be more than willing to rescind that review and write a glowing, positive one if Evernote addresses these issues in a timely, expedient, and thorough fashion, though.

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It's going to be really hard to trust Evernote and Penultimate after this. How will we ever trust that the next update won't ruin years of notes?  Do we all turn off auto-updates and and wait a few weeks before maunaully updating to make sure each update isn't this bad? 

 

I think the only chance to keep long time users will be a very quick response and true understanding of why this was such a bad update.  It's a full acknoweledgement that this wasn't an issue of bugs or a handful of features that users didn't like- it was a wholesale shift to a new product that had a very different UI and functionality than why users had bought Penultimate.  We liked notebooks, we liked pages.  We bought Penultimate becuase it worked with how we took notes, how we did business, and how we wanted information stored.  I fundementaly seems like the new Penultimate was designed for a different user than those who currently use the app.  I imagine that many users are like me and Penultimate was one of the cornerstone apps that really brought value to their iPad.  Most of us were true evangelist for the product....showing it to every friend or coworker that bought a new iPad.  I can't imagine how any new features (that we didn't ask for) or better integration with Evernote could ever outweight the PR nightmare of alienating your biggest fans. 

 

I really hope this gets turned around quick becuase I really like the app (version 5.3!) and it's been a crucial part of my workflow for more almost 2.5 years (275 notebooks, 5-100 pages each).  Thank goodness my iPad is still on iOS 7 (mainly becuase it's so full with Penultimate notes) and I dodged this disasterous "upgrade".  Still, there is only a short window of time to turn things around (and regain trust) before I switch to an alternate solution. 

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I'm so disapointed. So frustraded. I cant use it, had to Go back to pen and Paper today and take photos of My notes to sync them to evernote. Me and My colleges used evernote/penultimate everyday!!!! Bring back to Old one!! Or at least the zooming Feature of version 5. / m

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I had a perfectly functional note taking and business filing system and now I have an unrequested new system that in no way suits my needs.  Is there anyway to access and restore Penultimate to the old highly functional format.  Did anyone consider doing research prior to releasing this -- if so, I doubt it would ever have been released...

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I'm adding my vote to those who are unhappy with the new version of the app in the hopes that it eventually leads to a return to good design.

 

I've used Penultimate since March 2012 and this "update" is a unmitigated disaster.  To any user who has used Penultimate to replace physical notebooks w/ many pages this update destroys the way you use the app.  When I first opened the app I had no idea what was going on, and after figuring out all the functionality that has been removed from the latest version I'm stunned that such a radical shift was taken.

 

The only users this could possibly appeal to are those upgrading from note taking on paper scrolls.

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So after mistakenly upgrading I discovered that my Jot Script became useless so before reading about the rest of the users issues I opened a ticket with Evernote:

 

Here is what I asked:

 

 

Upgraded and now the jot script will not connect.

 
Also the new highlighter tool can't be cut or copied. If you do it scales / moves all my vet the page.

 

To be fair the "moves all my vet the page" was suppose to be "moves all over the page" (blame my fat thumbs).

 

Here is the response I got today from Evernote support:

 

 

Thank you for your note regarding the new Penultimate 6.0. We included a brand new interface as well as various updates and refinements in this latest version. A comprehensive list of the updates, frequently asked questions, and how-tos can be found on our Forum.

 
Penultimate 6 FAQ and How-To info
 
If you have further questions or run into any issues please let me know.
 
Evernote Support
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Clearly, enough has been written about the disaster that happened. I am appalled that despite the outcry, there has been no response from the developers. NONE. As someone who spent his saturday printing and salvaging whatever notes i could, i feel badly for the hundreds of educators, classrooms, collaboraters, and note-takers who have been affected.

 

Penultimate used to be in my ipad's DOCK. Now it's deleted. Given their silence, there is NO WAY i am going to back-hack or restore previous version, nor wait around for the company to fix (better yet, throw out) version 6. I only hope that everyone responsible for this disaster learns something from it. I WILL take my frustration out on evernote, because they are the company ultimately responsible for this disaster. Premium membership? no thanks. I am already looking to replace that app, too.

 

After doing some research, i am finding that both Noteshelf and GoodNotes are acceptable alternatives - and they work NOW, when I need to work...

 

And SHAME on the apple store for declaring this mess a 'best new app" ???!!!

If you actually read this thread, you'd notice that an Evernote employee, Joshua Taylor, has chimed in at least a half dozen times within the fits few pages.

Take a deep breath,

 

The Evernote Team is also reaching out to commenters/users in other ways as well. Seems like an update will be submitted to the App Store soon.

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Since the update, my JOT Script pen does not work well. Writing with it is impossible. If someone from Evernote actually reads these posts please let me know what to do. The previous version worked great. This version is terrible, rendering my expensive pen useless.

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I'm really sorry but another person on the unhappy list!

 

I used this app all the time and it was my main meeting notebook. I went into a meeting a day or two ago opened it up and found the "update' had rendered the app basically useless. I read your blog post today and acknowledge the mea culpa but not the response. Read this thread, listen to your users - your old app used to have near 5 star reviews your new app has 1 star reviews at best and a lot of this is not because of a few tweaks or bug fixes... it is down to a fundamental change in the way the notes are taken and organised. We liked notebooks, we liked pages if we didn't like these we would have bought another app in the first place!

 

It is quite straight forward... roll back... listen to your community and give them choice. When iBooks changed their UI they gave you options. I now use iBooks on my iPhone as a continuous scrolling page and on my iPad where I still like to "turn" the pages. That is my choice and I don't expect an app that I used one way to suddenly decide I should use it another.

 

Unfortunately I am now downloading a new note taking app and hoping they will not be so high handed and not understand their own user base.

 

I loved the old Penultimate. if you give me the options to use it the way I want to and show me what you consider to be an improvement and see if I want to adopt it I may come back!

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I attempted to downgrade to Penultimate 5 last version prior to update

As I had updated my iPad app though not my computer iTunes version

I backed up the iPad to the computer and then deleted the app from my iPad

I then attempted to reload Penultimate - PROBLEM my iTunes only offers to remove the Penultimate app from my computer

So tried a workaround - I restored my iPad from the backup

However lost all my notebooks as the v5 will not load the notebook data anymore 

The good news is that I can make new notebooks in my now empty  but much loved and very useable old version - this will be a pig to merge later though - so will use an alternative app till issue is solved

Any suggestions as to how to have it reload the data to the previous version would be much appreciated.

Alternatively is their a way to run the new version and the previous version independent of each other on the same iPad - Please this at least would be a great workaround

Failing that will have to upgrade the app then reload the data to upgrade and not use until it is fixed - or move away with head hanging sadness.

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And there I was thinking I'm the only muppet who can't figure out Penultimate 6.0.  So in addition to everyone else's frustrations, I'd like to add:

  • When I sync to Evernote only the subject header syncs - not the actual handwritten text. ?!@#$!
  • A couple of Penultimate notebooks seem to have disappeared.
  • When I deleted some notebooks, the corresponding Evernote notebook also disappears but the contents go into Trash.  What is the point of that?  Ridiculous!

Time for a major UPDATE please

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One way to go is to boycott this update.

Do not use it, do not report bugs, there are so many it does not make sense.

We are going to report bugs/issues/features requests and end up with v5 :-)

For users who could not sync back to v5 from iTunes using a local .ipa file, is there a way to share a .ipa file so they can go back to v5?

I'm not sure if this is possible either, but if it is could someone share that .ipa file?

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One way to go is to boycott this update.

Do not use it, do not report bugs, there are so many it does not make sense.

We are going to report bugs/issues/features requests and end up with v5 :-)

For users who could not sync back to v5 from iTunes using a local .ipa file, is there a way to share a .ipa file so they can go back to v5?

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Been trying most of that free apps for notes writing, so far I like UPAD, love how it response to my stylus.

It s almost similar to my handwriting

Thou last version of penultimate was much better, this UPAD ll do.

But too bad, the lite version can only hold up to 5 pads & no PDFs.

And u can't buy full version coz seems like the company was out of service.

Again I suggest, Evernote to look into this app & develop it

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