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Feature Request - Encryption of Entire Notebook and/or Notes


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I would upgrade to premium for this feature.  I have sensitive information that I consolidate into a notebook, but I won't use Evernote over mobile or from my work computer because I can't encrypt that data.  Heck, I'm even a little paranoid keeping my home computer unlocked when I have visitors.  

 

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I use Evernote daily on my Windows PC, on my iPhone, and iPad. It would be great if the encryption feature would be available on the iOS devices. Being able to encrypt notes or portion of notes while on the go is essential. Hopefully Evernote will listen to its users. I have already begun looking for other options but really don't want to change if Evernote meets my needs. 

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Yes, me too. Well I already a premium user (with my working account) and the only reason I use 2 account is I don't want other to see my secure note accidentally when I presenting them with my other notes.

It's even ok if it's not encrypted at all, but just need a passcode to open the notebook.

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I wasn't fully clear, I meant notebook level encryption. Paying a premium for a product such as Evernote, one simply prefers not to have to use third party products to provide things like full notebook encryption. We pay premiums so that we don't need to spend time implementing third party solutions.

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Hi - it's a phrase I use too often,  but "if it were that easy, Evernote would probably have done it by now".  

 

This is much-discussed and requested over the years - encrypting data across however many platforms Evernote now uses could mean that on some it's not possible to read data or even use Evernote.  So far Evernote have seemed happy to leave it to users to find 3rd-party solutions,  of which there are plenty..

But it is, in fact, quite simple:

To encrypt notes, Evernote would only have to store the password (encrypted with a master-passphrase) for the note inside the note itself. That way, the notes can be synced exactly the way they are now. The master-passphrase would be something only the user knows and never leaves his/her device; either completely new or derived from the credentials already used for evernote (username/password). You could even use different master-passphrases per notebook, which would create the illusion of the notebooks being encrypted separately.

I see no reason why this should not work cross-platform. As for sharing: for shared notebooks, the users would simply have to exchange the master-passphrase for that notebook once in person or otherwise securely. For shared notes you could do the same, or you could use public-key-encryption for the note-password: encrypt it using the other person's public key and only they can decrypt it and afterwards decrypt the note. All this could even be automated and implemented completely transparent to the user.

Which is why I for one can absolutely not understand why this has not yet been done. The lack of useful encryption is what is keeping me from actually using evernote on a more permanent basis (also the unavailabitly of a linux client but thats a different matter...).

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I may be naive, but I think zero knowledge encryption of notes and notebooks with group sharing of encrypted notes is much more valuable to business users than work chat. Of course this has to be done right and they need to hire a security expert and vet it rather than try to graft on some homemade solution that will be easily hacked. But this is the sort of feature I think users would be willing to pay. I sometimes use Lastpass to store notes on sensitive information. Lastpass note editing and attachment handling is terrible. I'm already a premium user, but I would love to be able to have Lastpass level security with Evernote level notekeeping.

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1 hour ago, JoseGFV said:

I don't understand how there are only 10 people voting for this feature, this should be at the top of the list

Because it's already been requested elsewhere? See 

 

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Is it the whole idea of having encrypted notes and notebooks on Evernote dead for good?

Back in 2014, when the initial post was published, encryption was already important despite being only to a minor percentage of users. What can we say briefly about it today? Privacy is in the epicenter of tectonic moves in the technological world. Touching every aspect of our digital lives, from creating content to sharing it privately. Countless stories about leaks or accidental breaches are published every day. And we know that lots of other apps offer full encryption already, with similar services found here.

We also know the communications between Evernote clients and servers (and between our various data centers) are all encrypted. That they changed the UI to be more clear with whom a note is shared, etcetera. It's clear and nice to see that Evernote as a company does care about it. But it's time to the next step, don't you think?

We could take advantage of this phase of changes that are taking place to improve the entire platform, as well as to implement certain features that we cannot move on into the next decade without them. Would be nice to bring attention to the matter to their new CEO. It would be nice to hear an official position about it from Ian Small.

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Hi - it's a phrase I use too often,  but "if it were that easy, Evernote would probably have done it by now".  

 

This is much-discussed and requested over the years - encrypting data across however many platforms Evernote now uses could mean that on some it's not possible to read data or even use Evernote.  So far Evernote have seemed happy to leave it to users to find 3rd-party solutions,  of which there are plenty..

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@gazumped, but EN does provide encryption. It's just cumbersome in that one needs to select the text in a note and then right-click to encrypt. So it seems that making it easier to encrypt an entire note or notebook would not add to any issues as re cross-platform use. IMHO

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@gazumped, but EN does provide encryption. It's just cumbersome in that one needs to select the text in a note and then right-click to encrypt. So it seems that making it easier to encrypt an entire note or notebook would not add to any issues as re cross-platform use. IMHO

 

It's pretty easy to arm chair quarterback.  Yes, EN currently provides encryption...for text only.  Simply b/c text encryption exists doesn't mean that can easily be applied to an entire notebook (or even just a note) that may contain images, PDFs, MP4s, etc.  and sync & work well across multiple platforms. 

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There obviously isn't a technical reason why Evernote have chosen not to implement this type of encryption, so Evernote have made a design decision not to implement it.

 

I guess they think the complexity for users (and maybe the additional support load) combined with the reduction in search, AI and other stuff means that in the trade off between stuff encryption is currently not winning.

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Have a look at SafeRoom - http://www.getsaferoom.com/

"mobile and desktop apps embedded into existing platforms providing users with zero-knowledge encryption using standard AES-512 algorithm and standard iOS/ Android/ MacOS/ Windows built-in libraries."

Feedback from users - https://discussion.evernote.com/topic/81336-saferoom-zero-knowledge-encryption-for-evernote-and-more/

 

I use LastPass for logins and Evernote for data.  EN would be clunky and cumbersome for passwords.
 

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6 hours ago, Sottam said:

I need the Evernote team to start thinking about adding a note or notebook encryption. This thread is going on since 2014 and still not getting any results from Evernote side. 

Evernote aren't required to react to user requests and suggestions.  The fact that this is still outstanding after some years suggests it's unlikely to happen anytime soon...

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16 hours ago, Sottam said:

I need the Evernote team to start thinking about adding a note or notebook encryption. This thread is going on since 2014 and still not getting any results from Evernote side. 

Evernote hasn't expressed an interest in encryption, other that the text encryption feature

My solution is to use the native encryption in attachments; PDFs, office/iwork documents, ...

Warning: Some Evernote features are not functional with encryption; such as OCR and search/indexing

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Would love to hear a response from Evernote on this feature. The spin on security is quite misleading: https://evernote.com/security. The average user may see fancy terms like "TLS" and "Transport Encryption", and think that "locked cage(s)" protect their data (seriously this is the wording on the security site). They added encryption for data at rest in 2016, but this still doesn't provide the level that is necessary at this point in time. Consumers should be able to own encryption of their own notebooks (beyond just text) and it should be encrypted on the client side too.

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For our data centers, we secure our infrastructure in a private, locked cage that includes 24x7x365 monitoring.

Another article: https://www.lifewire.com/evernote-tips-you-should-avoid-153286

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14 minutes ago, mservidio said:

Consumers should be able to own the encryption of their own notes.

Evernote only offers a text encryption feature; consumers own the encryption key.
For note encryption, check out third party Saferoom
Another option is the native encryption in attachments; PDFs, Office/iWork documents, ...

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Encryption for Entire Notebooks or Folders would be a very helpful upgrade.  It is very important when storing sensitive info e.g., intellectual property in text or attachments.

Encrypting 'per file' is too cumbersome.  Is this a feature that Evernote would be willing to pursue and implement?

 Thanks!

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Hi

On 8/10/2018 at 2:02 AM, billworden said:

Is this a feature that Evernote would be willing to pursue and implement?

Evernote don't normally share that type of information,  but this thread started 4 years ago which may be a clue...

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11 minutes ago, Greg2013 said:

I use Evernote for work and personal so some personal doc notebooks should be encrypted on my work computer.

Short term, probably better to use two accounts then. You  can share notebooks between accounts if need be. For example, my personal account contains lots of clipped articles relating to software development, and I naturally share that with my work account. But I don't share much else. For historical purposes, I al so share a number of work notebooks to my personal account, so that I could track my work tasks from home (now I can just access my work accounts and my personal accounts at home on the same machine, at the same time). If I need to access notes from my personal account while at work, I can always access it via my phone or via the web.

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46 minutes ago, Newton M. said:

Is it the whole idea of having encrypted notes and notebooks on Evernote dead for good?

There's no indication that Evernote is interested in encrypted notes and notebooks
In fact, we know Evernote's service is built on having access to notes for processing; OCR, search indexing, ...

We do have the freedom to encrypt our data
Evernote has a text encryption feature
I make use of the native encyption in attachments; pdfs, office/iWork documents, ....

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11 minutes ago, DTLow said:

There's no indication that Evernote is interested in encrypted notes and notebooks

It would be nice to hear from them, at least, an official statement.
Maybe even a more explanatory tutorial with options, third party apps associated with the company.
It would end up with all of those open questions regarding the subject.

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1 minute ago, Newton M. said:

It would be nice to hear from them, at least, an official statement.

Although Ian Small is much more open to customers that I remember from his predecessors,  there's a difference between sharing what Evernote is actively working on now,  and explaining which features they will or will not be introducing over the next several years.  Few CEOs would say 'never' to anything,  but no-one is going to say "we'll have that next year" because you also never know what little challenges will get thrown in your way between now and then.  Even fewer will want to open a dialogue where they say "that's not a priority",  and users say "why not?" and start demanding justification for the decision.  What features you see are what you have to work with.

As to offering a tutorial - that in itself is a sizeable commitment of time and effort,  needs constant maintenance and invites lots of "why didn't you mention..." comments for other new apps - and what about those folks who want different features for photo storage,  genealogy and coding?  Are more tutorials going to be created?

IS might decide to comment here if and when he sees the thread,  but I'd rather he and the team concentrate on his avowed priority of "getting Evernote back on the path of developing and shipping quality software" (which might include encryption,  but I'd guess you might have to wait for the video to learn more...)

 

 

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On 5/20/2020 at 11:25 PM, yy13 said:

I am happy to know I am not the only one who want this feature.

I hope Evernote staffers will pay attention to this thread.

There are feature requests with 300+ and 400+ votes that have not yet been actioned - this thread so far has 31

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Well, even though this thread has few votes, every vote counts! I am voting for this one... "selecting text in a note and then using a Right-Click option to encrypt it" is not enough for me.

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I have been a premium user for over a decade. Still waiting for the most important innovation, encryption of all notebooks/notes and attachments. Not just text snippets but everything in entirety. If you don't do it, someone else will. It seems like the product has been in maintenance mode for too long. No major innovation in the last decade. This is the number one feature you should add if you care about what this paying customer wants (plus a few more like minded others). 

In case you argue that there isn't enough compute capacity across the entire landscape of possible devices, I don't care to use Evernote on a tiny watch screen, everywhere else there is enough CPU capacity nowadays. 

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5 hours ago, nkx said:

This is the number one feature you should add

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I use Evernote since the beginning. Recently I was aware Evernote redesigned the iOs apps but not a single improvement in security or encryption. I'm tired waiting and being in compromise because Evernote thinks we need better looking apps with poor security. For example, apple iCloud doesn't end to end encrypt backups on iOs, so all my offline notes are ready to read for anyone who could get access to this backups. I stopped backing to iCloud and now I'll stop using Evernote. I'm an unsatisfied premium user who will exit for good. I'm looking for alternatives to migrate my 7000 notes to. End to end encryption, "not your keys not your data" is a must for me. So goodbye, I waited too much and risked too much now waiting in vain. 

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4 hours ago, alexpc said:

I use Evernote since the beginning. Recently I was aware Evernote redesigned the iOs apps but not a single improvement in security or encryption. I'm tired waiting and being in compromise because Evernote thinks we need better looking apps with poor security. For example, apple iCloud doesn't end to end encrypt backups on iOs, so all my offline notes are ready to read for anyone who could get access to this backups. I stopped backing to iCloud and now I'll stop using Evernote. I'm an unsatisfied premium user who will exit for good. I'm looking for alternatives to migrate my 7000 notes to. End to end encryption, "not your keys not your data" is a must for me. So goodbye, I waited too much and risked too much now waiting in vain. 

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On 9/18/2014 at 2:40 AM, mapjr said:

The existing method of selecting text in a note and then using a Right-Click option to encrypt it is cumbersome at best. Yes, it is a nice feature if one wants to encrypt only a portion of a note. That's fine.

But there should be an easy way to (1) encrypt an entire note without selecting text and (2) encrypt an entire notebook.

I totally agree. The current encryption of text is useless to me.  Dear Evernote, please provide the options to (1) encrypt an entire note and (2) encrypt an entire notebook.

Without this feature, I have to remove all sensitive information from Evernote - a tedious and annoying procedure (annoying because I wish it were unnecessary).

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1 minute ago, Jana B said:

I totally agree. The current encryption of text is useless to me.  Dear Evernote, please provide the options to (1) encrypt an entire note and (2) encrypt an entire notebook.

Without this feature, I have to remove all sensitive information from Evernote - a tedious and annoying procedure (annoying because I wish it were unnecessary).

I started the migration one month ago, as I said I waited too much. I'm using Standard Notes, it has end to end encryption and apps for iOs and Android. Now I only use evernote for kitchen recipes what I think is the original intent of the creators. 

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22 minutes ago, alexpc said:

I started the migration one month ago, as I said I waited too much. I'm using Standard Notes, it has end to end encryption and apps for iOs and Android. Now I only use evernote for kitchen recipes what I think is the original intent of the creators. 

Thanks, @alexpc for sharing this tip.  I may also start looking for an alternative to Evernote for the same reason.  May I ask some questions about your experience with Standard Notes?

  • What is involved in the "migration" to Standard Notes - I take it there is no import from Evernote option?
  • Do you have to unencrypt notes in Standard Notes before being able to read them or search the contents?
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I have been a subscriber for many years. For update i have been hoping for a password protect feature for notebook. Not just encryption text. Updates after updates i have been disappointed and i have been very patient. Really Mr Admin, can you please give us a simple password protect feature for notebooks? Please? Thank you.

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I have wanted this feature forever. It's really important. I want all my notes encrypted, including the titles, so that only I can view them. If I share information with support for debugging an issue, I want to know that they can't see any of my content (including note titles!) unless I explicitly allow it.

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I can't believe e2e encryption of a note isn't available. The 'encrypt text' feature currently on evernote desktop is essentially useless because it's only available on plain text - even if you have a bulleted list in your text it's not available, not available for images, etc. It is NOT a viable feature.

The ability to locally encrypt a notebook and/or note is critical in order for me to feel safe/comfortable with using evernote for any sensitive information. It's 2021 - encryption should be the default, not the exception.

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End to end encryption is not the same as an encrypted note or notebook.

Since EN relies heavily on server side services to work, full user encryption is NOT the standard - otherwise many features would not be available. Notes are transport encrypted (TLS/SLS) when transferred to and from the server. On the server it is not human readable, only the EN bots put the pieces together to work their magic.

About the missing encryption of individual content enough was written in this thread, I see no need to repeat it. My support is for an encrypted notebook. As long as it is not available, use other (cloud) services for sensitive information, or simply encrypt the attachments you place in a EN note.

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Well, it’s been almost a year and Evernote still uses fancy old plain text and everyone at Evernote could read my notes. So still is only useful as a recipes database. I transferred all my notes to another platform (Standard Notes) and even as it was a painful process now I’m happy and in a five-year subscription. You could discuss the feasibility of the encryption, the features, etc for years to come, but notice other options have already solved those quirks, and they’re fully operational. All the time you spent here arguing encrypted notebooks or individual notes, your notes are in danger and it’s time you missed moving onto another provider. As I no longer am an Evernote user, this thread is meaningless to me and I’m going to erase me from it. 

@Jana B There is no import from Evernote option in Standard Notes, I had to import the notes one by one, it wasn’t easy. Once your notes are in the app you don’t have to unencrypt them every time you want to access them. The app manages all the encryption/unencryption and even keeps the notes encrypted on your PC hard drive or in your mobile memory. Only you with your password can unencrypt the notes when you want to read/edit/search them. You log into the app every time you want to access the notes and that’s it. 

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If you are happy now, all is good …

There is simply no way to OCR pictures and documents, or build the search index on the server when everything is encrypted. Either you trust EN it is the bots and only the bots that have a key to the server side encryption, or you don’t.

This is a decision that nobody can take but yourself.

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