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1 hour ago, aukirk said:

I believe the idea would be placing images inside of a collapsible area of the outline. There are many things collapsible sections could be used for...

OK, I see that the post I replied to was initially referring to was about the ability to have outlining -- which was topical, but then the next sentence referred to the ability to resize an image,. which is a different facility altogether. My bad that I conflated them.

1 hour ago, aukirk said:

Hopefully this is part of the planned enhancements after the common editor rolls out.  Has anyone seen any ETA on when the beta version in the web app will make it to other versions?  

ETAs have not been provided for roll-out of any features, nor indeed whether collapsible outlines would be part of the planned roll-out at all.

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16 hours ago, jefito said:

Edit: I see now that I misunderstood your initial post's comment about in-note image resizing to be what you were referring to as a most wanted feature, when instead, you were actually referring to the original request for the topic. The bit about keeping separate requests in separate topics  still stands, but doesn't really apply in this case. In any case: my mistake,and my apologies for getting your comments wrong. Carry on.

My apologies in return. English is not my mother tongue and in my home language it is possible to say "at least" as a sort of inclusive request... For example you could say - "couldn't you please take care of the baby, at least feed her?" as an expression. This sentence would mean the feeding is an expected part of taking care of the baby. Hopefully that is understandable.

5 hours ago, aukirk said:

I believe the idea would be placing images inside of a collapsible area of the outline. There are many things collapsible sections could be used for....

Thank you for articulating what I meant in a better way! Much appreciated.

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The 'toggle list' option in Notion is an absolute game changer and a feature addition which, based on the new list improvements in the web beta, I imagine wouldn't be too difficult to implement in Evernote. 

In terms of the use case(s) the most recent one is my Evernote blog template. In Evernote it consists of a lengthy table filled with bullets and checkboxes. In Notion, using toggle lists I'm currently building it to take up less than a page. I can then expand only the relevant sections while writing the post. 

I really don't want to have to expand my toolbox when Evernote already covers most of the bases but this is one (relatively) quick addition that would make a huge difference. 

Example below of how it looks in Notion

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Isn't this effectively 'Text Collapse [Outlining]', which was first requested under that name in 2011, and has 458 upvotes and has been in Microsoft Word and Excel forever.  Yes, 2011.  Come on Evernote!  Essential functionality.

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On 12/10/2019 at 4:05 AM, James | Headquarters said:

The 'toggle list' option in Notion

I merged your request with the ongoing Outlining request

>>In terms of the use case(s) the most recent one is my Evernote blog template.

A workaround is to link to a second level of notes

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1 hour ago, Wilf Forrow said:

Isn't this effectively 'Text Collapse [Outlining]', which was first requested under that name in 2011, and has 458 upvotes and has been in Microsoft Word and Excel forever.  Yes, 2011.  Come on Evernote!  Essential functionality.

I keep checking the (in progress) beta editor on the web to see if I will be pleasantly surprised.

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This has been on the books since 2011? Notion has this feature and it is 2019. What is Evernote doing? The lack of this feature has prompted me as a Premium user to start exploring other apps to replace Evernote because EN lacks such a basic feature for bullet point lists.

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23 hours ago, ziggymsmudfud said:

This has been on the books since 2011? Notion has this feature and it is 2019. What is Evernote doing? The lack of this feature has prompted me as a Premium user to start exploring other apps to replace Evernote because EN lacks such a basic feature for bullet point lists.

Post back if you find something better.

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Still not implemented in 2020? Is the Evernote team interested in the user voice at all? Many apps have this feature already, and it is very important for a professional tool. As a developer myself I cannot understand, what's so hard in implementing this. Maybe the Evernote team can enlighten me?

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On 2/16/2020 at 7:52 AM, Jürgen Bayer said:

Still not implemented in 2020? Is the Evernote team interested in the user voice at all? Many apps have this feature already, and it is very important for a professional tool. As a developer myself I cannot understand, what's so hard in implementing this. Maybe the Evernote team can enlighten me?

Hi. The Evernote team don't (usually) comment on what might,  or might not be in development or how they decide between feature requests,  but it is fairly widely known that Evernote has been doing nothing this past year but re-engineer their existing products - so you might be in luck in a few months time.  Meantime the standard choices are (as already mentioned in this thread) - manage without,  or find another app that works for you.

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YES please. I would like to have this Toggle, Collapse Text feature. 

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On 6/11/2018 at 11:00 AM, Dgldy said:

+1

The lack of this feature is literally the single driving factor for me to switch to Workflowy

+1 Same. Collapsible bullets is the #1 feature evernote is missing for me to stay. I moved to evernote when Google Notebook was canceled. It has improved a lot since then but I make massive, nested lists that I need to scroll through all the time.

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6 hours ago, ArthurPoorweather said:

+1 Same. Collapsible bullets is the #1 feature evernote is missing for me to stay. I moved to evernote when Google Notebook was canceled. It has improved a lot since then but I make massive, nested lists that I need to scroll through all the time.

Don't understand the need to 'switch to' anything.  You may have noticed that I support Evernote rather a lot.  I also use Workflowy (with links between the two)when I need 'advanced' nesting.  Like I use Lightroom for my images - the best software for each specific purpose.

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On 3/20/2020 at 11:15 AM, Ks_ony said:

And can't get, is it so hard to implement it? why evernote team doesn't listen user requests? (especially from premium users)

Hi. Evernote is in process of rebuilding its app in all the available operating systems to improve efficiency and allow for some of the other major features requests they've received.  They don't (usually) comment on what may,  or may not,  be part of that exercise - but anything that it misses out will likely be easier to create in the future. 

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Well .... hrrrm ... this thread was stared in 2011. Obviously arguing with being essential defeats the simple logic that we are able to discuss about it 9 years later, and nothing has happened meanwhile to implement it.

If you need full editing capabilities, just use a full text editor to do so. You can still save the file in EN, open it from there, edit it and save it again, collapsing or not. IMHO it just does not make sense to expect from EN to offer the same special capabilities in each field as the programs that do just this, and nothing else.

Personally I will be comfortable once the new editor is rolled out to set headers and sub-headers independently from the.EN client I am using at any moment. If they collaborate to collapse, even better. But I can do without.

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Nobody here to bump into than other users. 

And I tell you: It is not healthy to bump into elephants 🧐

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5 minutes ago, Mark3000 said:

I noticed this has 490 upvotes. Is there a good way for viewing the Evernote backlog to see where it ranks? 

No there is no way to view the "Evernote backlog"
There is also  no way to see Evernote's priority list, but I suspect this feature is not near the top

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8 hours ago, mrkmax said:

I noticed this has 490 upvotes. Is there a good way for viewing the Evernote backlog to see where it ranks?  Apologies, curious ScrumMaster speaking here. :)

If you want to know what's on their frontlog, then you should probably check out the Behind the Scenes series of videos, and also look for posts by @Ian Small

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This feature is long overdue. The note taking app on my Palm Pilot 20 years ago had the ability to expand and collapse bullet lists, so I'm sure the devs at EN can sort this. It's also a feature of many XML editors, so it's not beyond the wit of man. Also, OneNote has this (and native pen support on a tablet), so excuses that it's 'difficult to implement' don't hold much water IMO.

If Microsoft can do it with OneNote, there's no reason Evernote can't knock this out of the park very easily.

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10 minutes ago, Ekithump said:

If Microsoft can do it with OneNote, there's no reason Evernote can't knock this out of the park very easily.

Except it's a different company, different code base, different management,  different priorities...

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On 4/5/2020 at 7:17 PM, noneoftheabove said:

The Behind The Scenes series hints that it's something that they're considering with the new editor:

Thanks for digging that up before I could get to it.

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I'm also working with long notes and would be very glad for any possibility to collapse or fold segments of Text for more overview. Evernote is a wonderful tool, this would make it just more so!

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As a devoted Premium subscriber whose workflow relies heavily on Evernote, there is literally no feature I want more than this. 

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i did look for any already posted ideas but didnt use the word collapse in the search so might have missed the one you suggested @Wilf Forrow.  My idea was crude and definitely needs loads refining but would really help 

An alternate way i use is changing color of trivial extra notes to a light color but still leads to scrolling a lot. Anyway , if there's a way to promote it to catch attention of someone from devs , it'll be nice to know

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Requests for this feature have been merged
To indicate your support, use the vote button at the top left corner of the discussion

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I need this so much. The only reason why I'm still using notion to write out outlines...

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This request was posted in 2011!!! Is in the top 5 by number of votes, Roam has it, Notion has it; does Evernote even read this request site anymore?

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On 6/11/2015 at 11:34 PM, mtnbnd said:

As a devoted Premium subscriber whose workflow relies heavily on Evernote, there is literally no feature I want more than this. 

As an equally devoted Premium subscriber, there is no single feature I NEED more than a toggle list feature. Coda has it, Notion has it, Dropbox Paper has it. It is an ESSENTIAL feature if you're working with lengthy text documents. Surely you guys can see how important it is. It'll also improve performance, which I assume is a high priority for you. 

@Shane D. by the amount of scrolling it took for me to get to the bottom of this thread, it's pretty clear that this is a MAJOR deal for many Evernote users - and has been since 2011. Justin Bieber was only just born in 2011 (I imagine). Can you give an update on this? 

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This is an absolute must have feature. Looking through the Evernote Behind The Scenes videos, I saw the ability to move bullets around but it didn't look as though you could collapse them at all, so hopefully I'm wrong but it doesn't feel like its on their to-do list. 

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6 hours ago, Kamal.Sharma said:

it doesn't feel like its on their to-do list.

Evernote don't usually comment until something is released,  so I guess we'll just have to wait to find out...

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Agreed! Toggle lists are key... Surprised EN's dragging its feet on this one. Hasn't been a real feature update in too long. If notion had the image OCR and adjustable tables, I'd be outa here. En's capture & integrations are also really good... but they can't rely on that to save them from the competition. 

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@wolphboy007 I agree with you but not sure this feature will ever be implemented as it has been requested for 9 yrs that I am aware of, perhaps longer. If it still hasn't arrived I am not going to hold my breath. Notion does have adjustable tables, depending what your definition of tables are, I suppose.

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I'm struggling to understand why this feature is not yet deployed. Doesn't it take more time to answer customer requests for this feature for 9 consecutive years, than to actually code it?

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Requesting evenote to collapse sections within a note - has this been added to Evernote yet? I really need this!

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I don't know if this has been requested before but it most likely has.

 

I really miss the simple feature of being able to collapse bulleted and numbered lists.

For better organising and clarity.

 

 

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7 hours ago, la-Cour said:

I don't know if this has been requested before but it most likely has.

Merged with an ongoing discussion   
To indicate support, use the vote button at the top left corner of the discussion

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2 hours ago, beltran said:

@Evernote team... how hard can it be???

Hi.  I understand the frustration,  but this is a -mainly- user-supported Forum. Although Evernote staffers do read the posts here, and there are Admins to keep everyone in line,  there's no guarantee when that will be.

Evernote are (they say) in process of completely re-coding all of their apps for all operating systems (See the Evernote Blog), so they may have already included some upgrades. But they don't preview details, so we'll probably have to wait until the new versions hit the streets to see what new features exist. 

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On 2/20/2019 at 11:42 PM, Shane D. said:

Hi All,

You may have noticed that all threads requesting the ability to use text collapse/outlining have been merged into this thread, regardless of platform specificity. 

This was done in order to better enable us to quantify and qualify user requests, and amplify their voice.

While this does not mean this is a feature that will be coming, we certainly want to relay user feedback/sentiment to our various teams.

Moving forward, please put all commentary and votes for the ability to use text collapse/outlining here!

 

Is this idea dead?  It is still a very good one and I'm out looking for a tool that will do this for me.

 

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11 hours ago, wealthychef said:

Is this idea dead? 

We haven't seen any action for the Evernote note editor

>> It is still a very good one and I'm out looking for a tool that will do this for me

Various word processors - I use Apple Pages   
The documents are stored in Evernote as note attachments   
edit: Apple Pages no longer supports Outlines; MS Word is a better choice  

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9 minutes ago, DTLow said:

We haven't seen any action for the Evernote note editor

>> It is still a very good one and I'm out looking for a tool that will do this for me

Various word processors - I use Apple Pages   
The documents are stored in Evernote as note attachments

OK, I will find another add-on tool, thanks!  I'm looking at workflowy maybe.  I didn't know Pages would do that.  Sounds cool but in testing a bullet list in Pages, I don't see it being able to collapse anything. 

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6 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Oops, a bad choice

How about MS Word

I can make wild guesses as good as you, thanks.  😛  If I find an answer I'll post it.   I'm currently working on this list:  https://zapier.com/blog/best-outline-software/

Edited by wealthychef
Make less snarky and more helpful

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7 hours ago, wealthychef said:

OK, I will find another add-on tool, thanks!  I'm looking at workflowy maybe.  I didn't know Pages would do that.  Sounds cool but in testing a bullet list in Pages, I don't see it being able to collapse anything. 

Workflowy works for me...  and it's capable of a whole lot more!

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I think the outlining solution that would feel most natural and valuable to me is simply to present all headings as nodes in a tree (the heading levels give the structure) and the ability to expand/collapse certain levels. This would give users: 1) a really simple way to create outline items (we're already doing it), 2) an excellent overview of the contents of the note, 3) a really convenient and fast way to navigate the note, and 4) a really good way to focus only on what you are working on now.

It feels like the most natural progression from having styles available because this leverages information already in the document - no need to create artificial outline items.

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5 minutes ago, Henning Tegner said:

is simply to present all headings as nodes in a tree...

...As a matter of interest,  which text collapse apps work this way?  Sounds more like mind-mapping,  which Evernote doesn't include - and in any event seems to me this requires a major rewrite of a core feature of something that's in daily use 24/7 by hundreds of thousands of people...

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59 minutes ago, gazumped said:

...As a matter of interest,  which text collapse apps work this way?  Sounds more like mind-mapping,  which Evernote doesn't include - and in any event seems to me this requires a major rewrite of a core feature of something that's in daily use 24/7 by hundreds of thousands of people...

There are a few out there.  Google "collapsible outline app" for which ones.  Mind mapping is usually just another way to view an outline, actually.  They are interchangeable.  I don't think it would take much of a rewrite.  But neither of us knows that.  

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4 hours ago, gazumped said:

As a matter of interest,  which text collapse apps work this way? (heading levels give the structure)

MS Word (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/collapse-or-expand-parts-of-a-document-701786e0-95e2-40bf-bfe5-f0233cd3520c)

I like to use the Office/iWork suites because of their compatibility with Evernote 

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On 6/27/2020 at 8:30 PM, wealthychef said:

Is this idea dead?  It is still a very good one and I'm out looking for a tool that will do this for me.

Workflowy if you want outlining plus a bit.

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On the off-chance that product management read this thread then I'd like to add my support for the text toggling (text collapsing) feature.

Long term Premium user and I love Evernote but some long notes with different sections of information are impractical to visualize or navigate without this feature. For some of my technical notes, I have to use Notion because it makes the information so easy to consume & navigate (isn't this one of the main objectives of a note-taking app ?). 

This feature has clearly got a lot of interest and requests so please include it so we don't have to use additional tools which fragment our workflow.

Thanks

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+1!

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10 hours ago, PatC said:

On the off-chance that product management read this thread then I'd like to add my support for the text toggling (text collapsing) feature.

Long term Premium user and I love Evernote but some long notes with different sections of information are impractical to visualize or navigate without this feature. For some of my technical notes, I have to use Notion because it makes the information so easy to consume & navigate (isn't this one of the main objectives of a note-taking app ?). 

This feature has clearly got a lot of interest and requests so please include it so we don't have to use additional tools which fragment our workflow.

Thanks

 

Your point about toolchain fragmentation is a great one.  I currently use Evernote, OmniFocus for my personal organization.  I recently added MindNode to get this "collapsible outline" feature (plus a lot more!).  

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10 hours ago, PatC said:

additional tools which fragment our workflow

Evernote's editor is adequate for basic notes,
and files of any format can be stored as note attachments

My workflow is not fragmented when using word processing apps, spreadsheet apps, ...

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Please add this feature! Or maybe make it possible to embed a WorkFlowy list right into an Evernote note?

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20 hours ago, Soy said:

Please add this feature! Or maybe make it possible to embed a WorkFlowy list right into an Evernote note?

It's already a feature - it's called "copy and paste".

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23 hours ago, Soy said:

Please add this feature! Or maybe make it possible to embed a WorkFlowy list right into an Evernote note?

WorkFlowy does not support embedding their lists   
This is do-able, using other editors; for example MS Word lists, and embedding the document

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23 hours ago, Soy said:

Please add this feature! Or maybe make it possible to embed a WorkFlowy list right into an Evernote note?

I don't think the magic of Workflowy lies in the data format.  The magic lies in how they display it.  So to do what you ask would be very difficult, as it would require executing workflowy within Evernote, literally.  

Contrary to the claims of others, I would think expandable lists are not that hard to implement, but my observation of how Evernote handles bullet lists is that they are doing something very weird with their formatting that does not play well with others.  

What I'm doing now is using MindNode.  To get a list from Evernote into it, I have to copy/paste from Evernote into a plain text file (BBEdit) and save that file with ".md" extension for "markdown" format.  I then open that with MindNode and I get a beautiful mindmap with collapsible outline.  

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Or maybe Evernote is waiting for other developers to take up some slack here - http://www.moreproductivenow.com/tusktools_treeliner.html

(I just found this...)

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TuskTools Treeliner allows you to manage any or all of your Evernote information in an outline tree format. Use it to organize writing and research, projects and tasks, class notes, you name it!

The program's flexible filtering lets you create unlimited virtual outlines.  And it introduces Item Types to your notes, so you can distinguish between different types of notes within your outlines.  Create folders, projects, "waiting for others" reminders, tasks (with due dates), and more.

Correction:

Maybe an 'oops' there - I have trouble signing up for this beta,  and the page seems like it hasn't seen much action since 2016.  This may be an orphaned product...  Sorry... 🤨

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Evernote Team,

Please consider adding better outlining features in Evernote. For those of us who like to "ink it when they think it", Evernote is a fantastic tool because to jot your thoughts down on whatever platform (phone, tablet, laptop) is most convenient at the moment. However, most ideas call for some structure, and outlines are the best way to structure ideas. We really need the ability to have at least 3 levels of outline, and it would be ideal if they were collapsible. Choosing the outline style like Word would be nice but not vital (i.e. I.-A.-1.-i.-a. or 1.-A.-i.). 

Please consider adding outline capability as a high priority.

Bruce Fleck

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I would like collapsible "sections".    pretty sure this thread in same ballpark.    

If I can insert sections (with name) and have ability to generate ToC at beginning based on sections, this would be wonderful!!!!

 

 

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I've been using Evernote for 8 years now and each year I'm hoping that text collapsing / collapsible lists will finally find their way to a new release.
Seems to me that it should not be that hard to incorporate this into notes' XML format. 
Notion does it in a decent enough way and Dynalist is incredible with their implementation of this feature, though both of them lack some other features of Evernote.

Do we have any updates on this feature?

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Hi.

4 hours ago, Calic said:

Seems to me that it should not be that hard to incorporate this into notes' XML format. 

Probably isn't - except there are several hundred people who want their different suggestions dealt with ASAP...

4 hours ago, Calic said:

Do we have any updates on this feature?

Not on this specific feature,  but Evernote do have a blog describing their progress towards updating and upgrading the app...

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