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This is a big issue for me. I copy and paste a lot of images to evernote for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it may be a decorating plan, or a photo idea, or a location I want to visit. Often the images can be much too large for my needs as they are often just things I want to remember. Unfortunately, the only way I can currently resize an image is to open that image into a separate editing program and then resize it. It would be really nice if I could do this through a simple right-click on the image which would allow me to select an option to resize. It doesn't have to be a fancy thing that allows me to drage corners and change aspect ratios. A simple popup box asking me what deminsions I want would be good enough with perhaps a checkbox to lock the aspect ratio in which case it does the math so tha if I reduce an image on the long side to x pixels, it makes the appropriate adjustment on the shirt side.

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The trick with pictures is to use low definition rather than high. Once uploaded to the server, a high-def picture uses the appropriate number of megabytes from your allowance, and even more if/ when it's edited and resubmitted. I appreciate some devices don't allow selection of different resolutions, but the answer there may be to save pictures to the device, not to Evernote, and to upload later after editing. Even if Evernote allows picture editing (and we do have Skitch) your upload limit will still take a hit with a large image. That's a limitation of device cameras, and not something Evernote can control. (Unless there's going to be an Everphone some day...)

Edit: PS there's a limit on posts? Didn't get that memo..

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Oh, and I took one of my very limited '5 post limit' posts for this. Even as a Premium user I have some kind of ridiculous posting limit on the forum :(

The posting limit is for new forum members to prevent spammers from flooding the board. Long time members with a few posts under their belt have no restriction. It used to be normal for mods to have to delete ~20 posts per spammer on the old message board & we'd receive complaints about so much spam on the board, if a mod didn't catch them in time. And someone new to the forum should be able to post about any question or problem they have in five posts per day or less. So it's not "ridiculous".

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I also second this request, with a twist: I often want to use the images later at full resolution, but it is annoying for them to take so much space on the note. I would love to have something like the commercial wiki Confluence, namely the option to see the image as a thumbnail in the document, but then, when clicking on it, to get a popup.

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I'll second this request!

Especially when taking pics from phone or tablet. The files are quite large and take a while to upload AND count against your quota, even if you resize it later, it stays on that month's quota.

No thanks.

That is why I put my photos into programs designed for photos.

  • Online I use Flickr and Picassa.
  • Offline, I use , ACDSee and PhotoShop.

I do not want Evernote investing their development time in features that are already in existence and much more powerful.Evernote should not strive to be everything for everybody.

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I'll second this request!

Especially when taking pics from phone or tablet. The files are quite large and take a while to upload AND count against your quota, even if you resize it later, it stays on that month's quota.

No thanks.

That is why I put my photos into programs designed for photos.

  • Online I use Flickr and Picassa.
  • Offline, I use , ACDSee and PhotoShop.

I do not want Evernote investing their development time in features that are already in existence and much more powerful.Evernote should not strive to be everything for everybody.

But that's missing the whole point. I want to sync photos on my local machine which are available whether or not I have internet access and I don't want them available for public view. This isn't all photos I have taken. These are photos as notes, things to remember.Some are marked up with skitch. My entire getting things done process revolves around evernote and this is a big hole in that process if I have to go outside of evernote to remember something. I think the whole goal of Evernote is to become that single repository and this is a hurdle to it becoming that.

Let me give you an example. Say I'm on a website for kitchen remodeling ideas. I see a photo that I want to copy and paste into evernote into a single note that I have setup for kitchen remodeling ideas. RIght now I have a couple choices. I can open the image, do a screenclip which creates a new note. I do this for each screen that has a kitchen idea I want to keep. When I am done browsing I have 30 new notes that I now have to right-click, CUT, go to my remodeling note, right-click PASTE. And guess what....that image still is whatever size it was when I captured it. I can't resize it. If I want to resize it I have to go outside evernote into another program to do so.

Alternatively, I can right-click, save to a folder on my machine in dropbox. Then go to each machine and it is there, but go to my tablet or phone and I Have to export it to a local directory to have it available. BUT - at least when I'm at Menards or Home Depot with my tablet and no wifi, I have a local copy. Now this assumed I regularly stay on top of all of these folders and make sure everything is in sync and STILL I have to go to another program if I want to resize any of the images.

All of this is just way too complicated for what I want to do which is use evernote as a single place to put all my ***** so I can refer to it when I need to. I'm on my desktop, laptop, work machine, tablet, phone, doesn't matter. I see something, I copy/paste into the note I want, resize, sync. I'm done.

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This is a user discussion group so everyone's entitled to their individual opinion. Mine would be that it's not a good idea to put big files into Evernote if you can avoid it, whether they're pictures or PDFs. It may be possible for Evernote to do something about this, and they may even have something in the pipeline - we won't know until it's announced. Meantime the developers will have gotten the point from this thread that it is something that users would like.

There still seem to me to be some serious problems with the concept though: so you upload your 2MB file and have it chopped to 200K (having lost 2MB upload credit) - what about the full-res picture? Is that to be stored somewhere too, or will you keep your own separate copy in case you need it? Remember Evernote is servicing (by now probably) 40M active customers all of whom will have their different requirements. It's kinda difficult to keep everyone happy.

Don't think this forum is considered one of the main ways for users to get technical support - if something seems broken, then raise a support ticket. There are no limits (AFAIK) on these, For general queries and discussion this is (pretty much) a 24/7 place to get suggestions from fellow users - especially good for weekends and holidays and those 2am glitches that just won't go away.

Can't really comment on the posting limit - that was introduced after I got well past it anyway. Even so if I'd posted 5 times a day since I went premium, I'd be at over 3,500 posts by now...

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Oh, and I took one of my very limited '5 post limit' posts for this. Even as a Premium user I have some kind of ridiculous posting limit on the forum :(

The posting limit is for new forum members to prevent spammers from flooding the board. Long time members with a few posts under their belt have no restriction. It used to be normal for mods to have to delete ~20 posts per spammer on the old message board & we'd receive complaints about so much spam on the board, if a mod didn't catch them in time. And someone new to the forum should be able to post about any question or problem they have in five posts per day or less. So it's not "ridiculous".

Uhm...I'm signed up as a registered Premium user and used that to register for the forum.

If you read my post, you'll see I don't mention premium/free or how long you've had your account. AFAIK, it's based upon the FORUM membership & posts.

BTW, 20 posts by some spammer at one point in history is a small number and IMHO certainly doesn't warrant hamstringing paying customers because it would take...what, about 2 mins for a mod to delete 20 posts?

First, thank goodness I don't frequent the boards you do. I'd hate wading through a multitude of posts about DVDs, Viagra, etc in order to find an answer to my question.

And it's really nice of you to figure the mods (most of whom are users just like you & volunteer their time) have all kinds of free time to go around monitoring the board & deleting spam posts.

Oh, and that is quite the omniscient statement there: "And someone new to the forum should be able to post about any question or problem they have in five posts per day or less"

I stand by that statement. Sure, there may be an occasional instance where it may not be "one size fits all". But in general, yes, someone new to the board should be able to cover their issues in five posts or less per day, initially.

But I appreciate the arrogant dismissive response all the same :(

Glad to have helped! :)

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Unless, of course, this is not a forum where paying customers are supposed to search, ask questions, report bugs, make suggestions, that sort of thing. If I've stumbled into someone's personal playground, by all means let me know, but it seems I am attempting to use the forum as it is pitched by EN.

I forgot to mention yes, this forum is where customers (paying or otherwise) can search & ask questions, report bugs, make suggestions, blah, blah, blah. But...it's a user's forum. This is not an official support forum. So indeed, initially, five posts per day is sufficient.

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But that's missing the whole point. I want to sync photos on my local machine which are available whether or not I have internet access and I don't want them available for public view. This isn't all photos I have taken. These are photos as notes, things to remember.Some are marked up with skitch. My entire getting things done process revolves around evernote and this is a big hole in that process if I have to go outside of evernote to remember something. I think the whole goal of Evernote is to become that single repository and this is a hurdle to it becoming that.

Let me give you an example. Say I'm on a website for kitchen remodeling ideas. I see a photo that I want to copy and paste into evernote into a single note that I have setup for kitchen remodeling ideas. RIght now I have a couple choices. I can open the image, do a screenclip which creates a new note. I do this for each screen that has a kitchen idea I want to keep. When I am done browsing I have 30 new notes that I now have to right-click, CUT, go to my remodeling note, right-click PASTE. And guess what....that image still is whatever size it was when I captured it. I can't resize it. If I want to resize it I have to go outside evernote into another program to do so.

Alternatively, I can right-click, save to a folder on my machine in dropbox. Then go to each machine and it is there, but go to my tablet or phone and I Have to export it to a local directory to have it available. BUT - at least when I'm at Menards or Home Depot with my tablet and no wifi, I have a local copy. Now this assumed I regularly stay on top of all of these folders and make sure everything is in sync and STILL I have to go to another program if I want to resize any of the images.

All of this is just way too complicated for what I want to do which is use evernote as a single place to put all my ***** so I can refer to it when I need to. I'm on my desktop, laptop, work machine, tablet, phone, doesn't matter. I see something, I copy/paste into the note I want, resize, sync. I'm done.

Yes, Evernote's tag line is to remember everything...not DO everything. It's never going to do every single little thing each of the 40+ million users (last count) want it to do. No app ever has & probably never will. EN isn't even trying to do every single little thing, either. Thank goodness. There are workarounds to what you want to do. If you choose to not use them, that's certainly your choice. I prefer to do what works & not try go put a square peg in a round hole. As a result, I use Evernote & Dropbox both. Not a darned thing wrong with that.

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@DDr_12:

A couple of facts:

* Evernote Evangelists, by and large, are users like yourself, and not Evernote employees. Generally speaking, they are chosen because they have a good familiarity with Evernote in general and/or particularly, Evernote clients, and also (and maybe more importantly) the willingness to help other people in their use of Evernote. And, yes, we also function as moderators.

* The evangelists also tend to have longer experience with Evernote's general practices, so to some degree, we can generally speak with greater authority on what they are likely to do or not to do. Depending on the individual, that might be expressed more or less definitively; me, I tend to downplay any definitive knowledge on my part, since we generally do not have much more inner knowledge of Evernote's plans than other users, if any.

* For the most part, answers to users tend to be informative and reasonably polite, though everyone's default stance is different. Flip side is that some forum posters are not always kind, genteel, and polite in their questions/statements, so sometimes replies will tend to have less politeness than others. We all respond to that in different ways; some more mildly than others. Relevant to that, when your first post to the forum includes as its closing something like: "Oh, and I took one of my very limited '5 post limit' posts for this. Even as a Premium user I have some kind of ridiculous posting limit on the forum :(", it's hard not to read it as a condemnation of Evernote's forum policies without trying to first understand why they are there. Had you asked the question rather than just stating that the policy was ridiculous, you might have received a politer answer.

One more thought: while it's nice of you to give us your guidelines for proper and professional forum behavior (though your references to 'your product' are just incorrect, since we are not Evernote employees), I already have mine. Evangelists answer to Evernote as far as our forum behavior goes (if you have a complaint, then feel free to Report the offending post), though they tend to let us go about our business without too much fuss (since there really is not a lot of that, most of the time). If you want to set an example, then a far better way is to get in there and contribute to the forum by answering user questions. I will tell you that you have a quite a ways to go before you catch up to BurgersNFries in that respect, though.

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Oh, and I took one of my very limited '5 post limit' posts for this. Even as a Premium user I have some kind of ridiculous posting limit on the forum :(

The posting limit is for new forum members to prevent spammers from flooding the board. Long time members with a few posts under their belt have no restriction. It used to be normal for mods to have to delete ~20 posts per spammer on the old message board & we'd receive complaints about so much spam on the board, if a mod didn't catch them in time. And someone new to the forum should be able to post about any question or problem they have in five posts per day or less. So it's not "ridiculous".

Uhm...I'm signed up as a registered Premium user and used that to register for the forum.

If you read my post, you'll see I don't mention premium/free or how long you've had your account. AFAIK, it's based upon the FORUM membership & posts.

BTW, 20 posts by some spammer at one point in history is a small number and IMHO certainly doesn't warrant hamstringing paying customers because it would take...what, about 2 mins for a mod to delete 20 posts?

First, thank goodness I don't frequent the boards you do. I'd hate wading through a multitude of posts about DVDs, Viagra, etc in order to find an answer to my question.

And it's really nice of you to figure the mods (most of whom are users just like you & volunteer their time) have all kinds of free time to go around monitoring the board & deleting spam posts.

Oh, and that is quite the omniscient statement there: "And someone new to the forum should be able to post about any question or problem they have in five posts per day or less"

I stand by that statement. Sure, there may be an occasional instance where it may not be "one size fits all". But in general, yes, someone new to the board should be able to cover their issues in five posts or less per day, initially.

But I appreciate the arrogant dismissive response all the same :(

Glad to have helped! :)

First, you keep speaking in absolutes about EN, the forum, and their policies, yet your signature says you are not affiliated with Evernote. Do you speak for them? Your tag says 'Evangelist.' What does that mean? Lots of posts, or are you some marketing person? Are you a mod?

I'm curious by what authority you make your decrees. I've read a number of your other posts when I was trying to find answers to some of the bugs and other issues I've already found in EN. I shook my head at some of your replies, which often have the, "If Evernote doesn't do it now or has a shortcoming, it is intentional. And only a fool would want to do [that] anyways" attitude.

Maybe for someone who knows *everything* there is to know about EN and has some direct line to the devs in EN, 5 posts about a problem is fine. Maybe someone with over 8500 posts has already asked every question they can think of.

But for we mere mortals, who are trying to actually work with EN, who find a problem (in my case, one that corrupted the formatting in an entire group of notes), and try to find a solution or get help with it via this forum, 5 is a ridiculous number.

On average, a forum user who searches for a problem will find say 200 hits on a keyword search. Of those, about 10-15 will be relevant. 2 or 3 may be directly related, warranting either additional questions, posting your own specifics, or (as we have seen in this case) adding support for a feature request- even describing how you would use it. Now, figure the user has also posted the bugs, as any responsible member of a user community would do, complete with details of the bug and how to reproduce it.

And while doing so, the user (who now has spent about 30 hours in the past few days deeply immersed in EN, creating his 'external brain') who understands the importance of being fair to devs and separates bugs from feature requests and how-to (learning curve) questions, makes separate posts about these- either in one of the relevant search hits' posts, or a separate post.

Also consider a new user is likely to have many more Q's than someone who has been using EN for many years- especially considering the weak documentation and the 'it's part of the community knowledge' attitude many s/w vendors are adopting these days (not necessarily wrong, community forums are a great way to share knowledge, tips, tweaks, workarounds, bleeding edge solutions, mods, specific implementations, etc). This basically *requires* active interraction by users with a forum.

Gone are the days of vendors spoon feeding info to users. Companies can't spend all their time considering every single individual set of circumstances without going broke or allowing their development endeavors to stagnate. Responsible users know this and we try to utilize as many self-help resources as possible before bothering a dev or support team. Like it or not, as users, we all have a vested interest in seeing the company thrive and their products progress and mature. Better for them, better for us to use.

So why the detailed explanations and lesson on proper resource usage?

Well, I expect to be a long term user of EN. And just because I do not wish to be spoken down to or bullied by another user who feels it is their 'right' to be dismissive and insulting to new users just because they have thousands of posts and have been here longer, I do not wish to have my use of the forum tainted or run with my tail between my legs because *one long time user* doesn't understand or agree with *MY* workflow.

Consider for a moment that I have designed several communications and learning platforms. Some are in the tens of millions of dollars. They are for different purposes than EN. But they were designed (or in some cases, others' platforms were redesigned) to facility ease of use, intuitive interfaces, stability of environment, and high integrity of data, all in a secure environment. I have spent a great deal of time studying users' habits, needs, and usages.

All that means is that I may know a thing or two about finding and reporting bugs, interface consistencies, and how to document items enough to engage a team on the subject.

To anyone who thinks they know everything...the more you know, the more you should realize you do NOT know everything. The more you learn, the more you realize how much more you have to learn.

Wisdom is the effective application of knowledge. Beating down new users out of a feeling of superiority is certainly not wise or appreciated.

Oh, and by the way...I am NOT looking to post 5 or more messages every day ;) But when I do have a problem, it may very well take more than 5 words or less to solve it! And, yeah, I also believe it is every user's responsibility to give back to a user community when they have been helped, so don't be surprised (or offended) when I respond to another user's question if I can help them.

So I've said my piece on that subject. Consider it an introduction if you like.

Here is the summary for those who glazed over about 6 pages ago :)

1. Don't be arrogant or dismissive with me. It is rude and unprofessional.

2. If you feel you are 'entitled' to be harsh on other users, consider instead your 'responsibility' towards other users.

3. Use your experiences to help others. You'll gain their respect and won't have to constantly defend your position.

4. Don't assume newly registered users are stupid, foolish, or owe you anything because you are a veteran user.

5. Listen to others' comments and try to understand their position. You might just learn something. It's a shortcut to success for companies.

6. Admitting mistakes is not a weakness. IE: Yes, we are aware the google search feature isn't up to snuff. We hope to get it fixed soon, but it's not the priority. Versus: You don't need to search with google anyways, and all you really need is the first 3 responses. (I made this up, but see the difference in approaches?)

7. Don't try to intimidate users so they won't post negative items about (your?) product. They'll just keep quiet and you'll feel good- until people stop using your product because you failed to know about or listen to problems or suggestions.

End of soapbox. I don't expect to have to get into this again. If we all understand each other now, let's move on.

Well, I admit I didn't take the time to read this entire post. (eyes glazed over & I've got a bunch of other things to do.)

In a nutshell, I replied respectfully to your (not so much respectful) post. You don't like it, that's unfortunate. I've explained the issue in order to inform you & you don't like the answer. So be it. (shrug)

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But that's missing the whole point. I want to sync photos on my local machine which are available whether or not I have internet access and I don't want them available for public view. This isn't all photos I have taken. These are photos as notes, things to remember.Some are marked up with skitch. My entire getting things done process revolves around evernote and this is a big hole in that process if I have to go outside of evernote to remember something. I think the whole goal of Evernote is to become that single repository and this is a hurdle to it becoming that.

Let me give you an example. Say I'm on a website for kitchen remodeling ideas. I see a photo that I want to copy and paste into evernote into a single note that I have setup for kitchen remodeling ideas. RIght now I have a couple choices. I can open the image, do a screenclip which creates a new note. I do this for each screen that has a kitchen idea I want to keep. When I am done browsing I have 30 new notes that I now have to right-click, CUT, go to my remodeling note, right-click PASTE. And guess what....that image still is whatever size it was when I captured it. I can't resize it. If I want to resize it I have to go outside evernote into another program to do so.

Alternatively, I can right-click, save to a folder on my machine in dropbox. Then go to each machine and it is there, but go to my tablet or phone and I Have to export it to a local directory to have it available. BUT - at least when I'm at Menards or Home Depot with my tablet and no wifi, I have a local copy. Now this assumed I regularly stay on top of all of these folders and make sure everything is in sync and STILL I have to go to another program if I want to resize any of the images.

All of this is just way too complicated for what I want to do which is use evernote as a single place to put all my ***** so I can refer to it when I need to. I'm on my desktop, laptop, work machine, tablet, phone, doesn't matter. I see something, I copy/paste into the note I want, resize, sync. I'm done.

Yes, Evernote's tag line is to remember everything...not DO everything. It's never going to do every single little thing each of the 40+ million users (last count) want it to do. No app ever has & probably never will. EN isn't even trying to do every single little thing, either. Thank goodness. There are workarounds to what you want to do. If you choose to not use them, that's certainly your choice. I prefer to do what works & not try go put a square peg in a round hole. As a result, I use Evernote & Dropbox both. Not a darned thing wrong with that.

This is a user discussion group so everyone's entitled to their individual opinion. Mine would be that it's not a good idea to put big files into Evernote if you can avoid it, whether they're pictures or PDFs. It may be possible for Evernote to do something about this, and they may even have something in the pipeline - we won't know until it's announced. Meantime the developers will have gotten the point from this thread that it is something that users would like.

There still seem to me to be some serious problems with the concept though: so you upload your 2MB file and have it chopped to 200K (having lost 2MB upload credit) - what about the full-res picture? Is that to be stored somewhere too, or will you keep your own separate copy in case you need it? Remember Evernote is servicing (by now probably) 40M active customers all of whom will have their different requirements. It's kinda difficult to keep everyone happy.

Don't think this forum is considered one of the main ways for users to get technical support - if something seems broken, then raise a support ticket. There are no limits (AFAIK) on these, For general queries and discussion this is (pretty much) a 24/7 place to get suggestions from fellow users - especially good for weekends and holidays and those 2am glitches that just won't go away.

Can't really comment on the posting limit - that was introduced after I got well past it anyway. Even so if I'd posted 5 times a day since I went premium, I'd be at over 3,500 posts by now...

Thank you for the polite and responsible post! We don't all have to have the same opinions or wants for EN, but respecting the opinions of others (even when you disagree) is definitely the way to go :)

Back OT: Maybe I owe OP an apology for hijacking this thread. As more posts are made, I see my request is a bit different than some others' needs. I am looking to facilitate snapping pics on my portable device for notes (ie home improvement research), not high res images. It would be nice to have a couple "camera preset" options in the EN Photo Widget. 'Low res' for quick snaps, 'full res' for photos, and 'use device settings' to allow your camera app to set them.

I am looking to simplify low res pics- without compromising the ability to take quality photos when needed.

Thanks for your time.

Right. I'm not looking for evernote to do everything. That's kind of my point. I don't need it to keep big, high-res photos. Most of the time all I need is a small photo to remember things. It really doesn't seem like something extremely complicated. Also, if I had to guess, I would say that the majority of the storage space and bandwidth used by everyone is for images and if they could cute that in half it would be a significant impact to their bottom line. It would help users as well who want to cache things on their tablet or mobile client. This is incredibly important since more designers are dropping support for external storage on devices. Neither the Kindle Fire, the Ipad, nor the Google Nexus 7 have SD card capability so when you are out of space, you are out of space. At some point heavy users will have to start going through deciding what notes to delete where simple resizing would make a huge impact on the footprint of the cached storage.

Again, I don't want some place to store photos to show friends. There are indeed much better places for that. But a picture shows a thousand words and sometimes a simple pic can do more for notes than any amount of writing could do. I'm sure that this is why evernote included the ability to paste images in in the first place.

Also, I'm not looking to fix this on the mobile clients or the web client. I figure that if that feature were just available on the desktop client, then if I take a shot with my phone which is 8MP (and getting larger all the time), then later, when I get home I can resize it on the desktop client if I want. This is really just about making better use of the existing storage space and better organizing information that is already in the files, not some new way to use evernote. I don't expect evernote to keep multiple versions of an image. If I resize an image, it is resized. That is the new image. Allowing 40 million people the option to choose the size of the images they keep just doesn't sound like a weird or complex affair. A simple piece of code launched by a right-click on the image could do the job just fine without changing any other feature of evernote, without making it slower, more complex or more likely to crash. There would be no negative effect for users who have no need to resize their images so although it can't make all 40 million users happy, it would make more users happier than they are right now than doing nothing would do.

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Right. I'm not looking for evernote to do everything. That's kind of my point. I don't need it to keep big, high-res photos. Most of the time all I need is a small photo to remember things. It really doesn't seem like something extremely complicated.

But...we don't really know how complicated or not it is, do we? You want resizing. Someone else wants annotation. Someone else wants image roatation. Someone else wants ___ (fill in the blank.)

Also, if I had to guess, I would say that the majority of the storage space and bandwidth used by everyone is for images

And your source for this...??? I know I have over 55,000 Evernotes, over 32 gigs of photos & although a small portion of those crossover, most do not.

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Well, I admit I didn't take the time to read this entire post. (eyes glazed over & I've got a bunch of other things to do.)

In a nutshell, I replied respectfully to your (not so much respectful) post. You don't like it, that's unfortunate. I've explained the issue in order to inform you & you don't like the answer. So be it. (shrug)

That, students, would be a textbook example of "dismissive." Replying to something you haven't even read in a definitive manner....uhm, yeah.

How about you do me a favor and just don't respond to any questions, support requests, bug reports, feature requests, or whatever else I post about? That's probably the best solution here. Now we can drop this.

And that's called a drive by, my dear. You don't like my answers (regardless if they are true/accurate or not.) Merry, merry.

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But...we don't really know how complicated or not it is, do we? You want resizing. Someone else wants annotation. Someone else wants image roatation. Someone else wants ___ (fill in the blank.)

How dare anyone request a feature *you* don't personally need!

Do feature requests really have to be approved by you, personally? Are you the Dev? The owner of EN?

Complaining about people requesting features....what can I say?

Maybe you've been at this too long.... :)

Please cite. I've never said any of these things. Way to dramatize. Here's your crown.

Over & out.

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