(Archived) Photo rotation and limit

[GBaker 0]

Recently I noticed the photo rotation feature. Since the sideways photos have always irritated me I began rotating them. Unfortunately it appears that this eats into my 60 meg non premium limit. I’m now limited to 2 meg with two weeks left in the period. Is this correct? Does simply rotating a picture cause it to be uploaded and eat into the limit?

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

Recently I noticed the photo rotation feature. Since the sideways photos have always irritated me I began rotating them. Unfortunately it appears that this eats into my 60 meg non premium limit. I’m now limited to 2 meg with two weeks left in the period. Is this correct? Does simply rotating a picture cause it to be uploaded and eat into the limit?

If you upload an image, then rotate it, yes, it will upload twice. The way around this is to rotate/modify before you upload.

[GBaker 0]

Recently I noticed the photo rotation feature. Since the sideways photos have always irritated me I began rotating them. Unfortunately it appears that this eats into my 60 meg non premium limit. I’m now limited to 2 meg with two weeks left in the period. Is this correct? Does simply rotating a picture cause it to be uploaded and eat into the limit?

If you upload an image, then rotate it, yes, it will upload twice. The way around this is to rotate/modify before you upload.

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Recently I noticed the photo rotation feature. Since the sideways photos have always irritated me I began rotating them. Unfortunately it appears that this eats into my 60 meg non premium limit. I’m now limited to 2 meg with two weeks left in the period. Is this correct? Does simply rotating a picture cause it to be uploaded and eat into the limit?

If you upload an image, then rotate it, yes, it will upload twice. The way around this is to rotate/modify before you upload.

Ok thanks I'll have to look into rotating with the android app as I was using the desktop version to rotate.

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

Ok thanks I'll have to look into rotating with the android app as I was using the desktop version to rotate.

Which client you're using is irrelevant. Since EN uses an UPLOAD limit, if the image is uploaded, then changed & re-uploaded, it will count twice against your upload limit. Again, the key is to rotate/modify the image before it's ever uploaded to the EN servers.

[GBaker 0]

Ok thanks I'll have to look into rotating with the android app as I was using the desktop version to rotate.

Which client you're using is irrelevant. Since EN uses an UPLOAD limit, if the image is uploaded, then changed & re-uploaded, it will count twice against your upload limit. Again, the key is to rotate/modify the image before it's ever uploaded to the EN servers.

Perhaps I’m missing something. What I meant was that most of my pictures are taken with the phone so I need to figure out how to rotate with the app (offhand I haven’t seen that option). Otherwise I will be uploading twice. Right?

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

Ok thanks I'll have to look into rotating with the android app as I was using the desktop version to rotate.

Which client you're using is irrelevant. Since EN uses an UPLOAD limit, if the image is uploaded, then changed & re-uploaded, it will count twice against your upload limit. Again, the key is to rotate/modify the image before it's ever uploaded to the EN servers.

Perhaps I’m missing something. What I meant was that most of my pictures are taken with the phone so I need to figure out how to rotate with the app (offhand I haven’t seen that option). Otherwise I will be uploading twice. Right?

The client you use is irrelevant when it comes to rotating images that have already been sync'd to the EN servers. OTOH, if you're rotating the images on your Android device BEFORE the images are uploaded to the EN servers, then the image will only be uploaded once. IOW, if I upload an image from my iPhone to the EN servers, then use any client (iPhone or Windows desktop) to rotate that image in my Evernote account, it will upload a second time. OTOH, if I take a photo with my iPhone & use an iPhone app to rotate the image BEFORE it's uploaded to the EN servers, then it only counts once.

[Chmedly 1]

Ouch, this hurts. I recently discovered Evernote (well, rediscovered it) and thought I had found the program I've been wishing for for years. But there are a few issues that are hanging me up and this is one of them. I think I'm going to have to buy a month membership to do some more testing. I hope they deal with the orientation issue on Android soon. The widget is cool cuz it's pretty quick (which is what I need) but since it lacks zoom (to check for focus on the picture) and orientation fix it's almost worthless.

[GBaker 0]

orientation fix it's almost worthless.

I’ve been taking pictures with Evernote for a few months and just noticed the rotation feature. Had I seen it sooner it wouldn’t be an issue, but I was rotating several months worth of photos. Regardless this hardly makes the app useless. Indeed I’d go so far to say that Evernote ALONE justifies my smartphone purchase – and I struggled for several months trying to justify buying one. I just need to take the time to figure out photo rotation with the android device, but given my limit is used up for the month I’m in no rush.

[Chmedly 1]

Ok, "almost worthless" was a ridiculous thing to say. Not sure why I was being so dramatic. But, it's just like you said, if all of your content is mobile photos then this rotation thing can potentially eat up half your upload limit. Yes, you can rotate in the phone before uploading but I find the EN android widget to be very convenient and much faster than using the camera app. I suppose the convenience depends on your phone and revision of android...

btw, I went ahead with a premium account so the limit isn't such a big deal for the moment. But who knows, I might decide to upload all of my paperwork from last 5 years. That could take a serious amount of capacity.

[MLeitch1 14]

Seems that this issue hasn't been addressed by the developers after 10 months.  It's becoming more and more of an issue especially if like me you have notes that contain images that are close to the 100mb note capacity.  The notes are unusable and even with 1GB Premium I'm finding it quickly being eaten away by this bug.

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

Seems that this issue hasn't been addressed by the developers after 10 months.  It's becoming more and more of an issue especially if like me you have notes that contain images that are close to the 100mb note capacity.  The notes are unusable and even with 1GB Premium I'm finding it quickly being eaten away by this bug.

This is not a bug. EN uses an upload limit, not a limit on what you can store on their servers (like Dropbox). If you're going to be modifying a lot of images, the workflow is to modify images before you upload them.

[MLeitch1 14]

 

Seems that this issue hasn't been addressed by the developers after 10 months.  It's becoming more and more of an issue especially if like me you have notes that contain images that are close to the 100mb note capacity.  The notes are unusable and even with 1GB Premium I'm finding it quickly being eaten away by this bug.

This is not a bug. EN uses an upload limit, not a limit on what you can store on their servers (like Dropbox). If you're going to be modifying a lot of images, the workflow is to modify images before you upload them.

 

So EN gives you the ability to rotate images by right clicking on them but you're saying that the resulting excessively large file is the fault of the user for using that capability when we should be guessing how they want us to do it?  Also, it's not a bug that the note becomes unusable when the note is still below the stated 100mb limit.  Oh, interesting perspective.

[BurgersNFries 2,407]

So EN gives you the ability to rotate images by right clicking on them but you're saying that the resulting excessively large file is the fault of the user for using that capability when we should be guessing how they want us to do it?  Also, it's not a bug that the note becomes unusable when the note is still below the stated 100mb limit.  Oh, interesting perspective.

I'm saying if you choose to upload large images then modify them & re-upload, yes, you're going to use double the upload limit.  If those images are close to the note size limit to start with, then although (the collective) we never want apps to crash or hang, sometimes when taxed, they are going to do that.  IOW, if it hurts when you do that, then maybe it's best to stop doing it.  In this case, there are a lot of easy workarounds.

[eric99 1,077]

The real problem (bug) with image rotation is that the rotated image takes about 8 times the size of the original one:

I did a test with an input image of 700 KB and after rotation it takes 5500 KB although the image dimensions are still the same.

However the rotated image is stored as a PNG image (with a wrong .jpg extension) !

[eric99 1,077]

I forgot to tell that I detected the PNG 'bug' in  the windows client.

[Martin Packer 162]

Do we know why the size increase is happening? Forced conversion JPEG to PNG or something else?

[Rob Dowdy 0]

 

Seems that this issue hasn't been addressed by the developers after 10 months.  It's becoming more and more of an issue especially if like me you have notes that contain images that are close to the 100mb note capacity.  The notes are unusable and even with 1GB Premium I'm finding it quickly being eaten away by this bug.

This is not a bug. EN uses an upload limit, not a limit on what you can store on their servers (like Dropbox). If you're going to be modifying a lot of images, the workflow is to modify images before you upload them.

 

Here's the problem: I open up the Evernote app on my iPhone and use it to snap a picture, right? I tend to do this every day when I do cardio. I snap a pic of the readout on the machine and use it to track how much cardio I do. So I'm using the actual Evernote iPhone app to do this. I snap the pic. It goes off to the cloud and is waiting to sync to my other devices.

 

The picture is rotated sideways. Because of the way the display on the elliptical is shaped and because of where I am when I take the picture it is best for me to do it in portrait rather than landscape. But you know what? It doesn't matter. I take the picture how I want to take the picture and Evernote rotates it 90 degrees for no reason. That's a bug.

 

The instant I take the picture in the app, it gets sent to Evernote. So please explain to me how this is a "feature" and not a "bug" when it's clearly broken. The Evernote iPhone app puts a sideways picture into Evernote, then when I rotate it in the desktop app it makes it at least 5 times larger (converts to PNG) and resends it, wasting massive amounts of data transfer. I am a premium subscriber and can't imagine how someone with a free account could possibly stand this behavior.

 

I'm not "modifying lots of images" as you put it, I'm fixing what the official Evernote app screws up every single time I use it in exactly the manner it is designed to be used.

 

What is the easy workaround you refer to? Not using the camera in the Evernote app to snap pics into Evernote?

 

Because it's broken, period, and all your dismissive and condescending remarks to the contrary ("If it hurts, stop doing it") don't change that.

[Olli 11]

Hello,

 

because the rotation of images with Evernote-Tools result in horrible big files (I have examples from 120 kb up to 10 MB (!) for 1 image rotated with EN) and the change of filetype (from jpeg to png), i use a very simple and fast workaraound.

 

Preparations:

1. I've installed Irfanview (Freeware, very good tool for viewing images) - available for example here: http://www.irfanview.de/.

2. For Irvanview, there is a package of plugins available (same URL as mentioned above). It's just one file. Install this, too.

3. I have associated jpg and jpeg-Files to Irvanview - during the installation Irfanview asks you, which files should be associated with it - you can change this later again, if the workaround does not suit you.

 

The Workaround: - very simple:

When i doubleclick an image in Evernote, this image will be opened in Irfanview (If not, then you should go back to preparations - Nr. 3 :-))

In Irfanview: move to menu: "Options - Jpeg Lossless Rotation). It is very simple to rotate the image. There is also a shortcut in Irfanview available: (Shift + J)

There is no need for saving the image. Just close Irfanview and you are done.

Evernote will think about what happened to it and after wondering a few seconds the rotated image is shown without any complains :-)

 

The new image is:

- jpeg format (as it is had been before - no changing the file format in png!)

- without loss of quality ("Lossless Rotation"!)

- not at all bigger than the original file; sometimes even smaller!

- The last point is important for me, because big files are not very useful for mobile devices...

 

Bye

 

Olli