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Jackolicious

mac (Archived) Evernote for Mac Public Beta is Here

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Looks fantastic, love the design. But clicking on Recent notes causes it to crash. Submitted error report.

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I don't see anywhere that shows the number of currently displayed notes. That was key information. Before the upgrade, I had 6,036 notes. Hopefully I still do! (Since this is a beta, I'd sure like to confirm that...)

Along those same lines, I miss the number that appeared next to the tag/notebook in the sidebar. I realize the number is now displayed when double-clicking on Tags or Notebooks, but that's not very elegant.

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Pasting seems to add a line break after what's pasted in. So when I paste something, my cursor ends up on the next line. I think that's what's throwing off bullet points (with pasting) as well.

When I paste things they are posted a line below where my cursor actually is.

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Couple questions:

- Can we still save a search? I can see the two saved searches I had from the last version but I can't find how to save a new one. And maybe a way to drag a search into Shortcuts?

- No more note counts in the sidebar for Notebooks and Tags? How about hiding unassigned tags in the current within the current notebook?

- How does the related tags feature work in the Tags screen? I can see how it's figuring it groupings but is there more information on this somewhere? Ways we can make it smarter?

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i absolutely LOVE the new v5 Beta; it is so much more intuitive and easier to use. I have not found any bugs as yet, but there is one expected behavior that is conspicuously missing. When viewing notes in the Inbox, we cannot drag and drop them into the desired notebook The only way to assign notes to their proper notebook is to use the pull-down list. This inability to drag and drop notes is counter-intuitive and annoying.

Keep up the great work!

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I don't see anywhere that shows the number of currently displayed notes. That was key information. Before the upgrade, I had 6,036 notes. Hopefully I still do! (Since this is a beta, I'd sure like to confirm that...)

Along those same lines, I miss the number that appeared next to the tag/notebook in the sidebar. I realize the number is now displayed when double-clicking on Tags or Notebooks, but that's not very elegant.

Me too :)

My ideal screen would show:

right pane = note sizes, word counts, and character counts (global toggle on / off like we used to have)

center and left panes = total note counts, etc.

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Re: Atlas

Any inaccuracies in location data will be as a result of whatever platform was used to create the data. For example, if you create a note on your Mac and it is tagged incorrectly, it is because Mac OS thought you were someplace you weren't. Same thing applies if you create the note on Android, iOS, etc.

You can always disable Evernote's access to your location via your System Preferences and hide Atlas from your sidebar. Easy! :)

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I don't see anywhere that shows the number of currently displayed notes. That was key information. Before the upgrade, I had 6,036 notes. Hopefully I still do! (Since this is a beta, I'd sure like to confirm that...)

Eep. This too. If you use one more than one notebook, you have to — gasp — do math to figure it out. Please don't make me do math, Evernote. My Liberal Arts addled brain can't handle it.

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- Can we still save a search? I can see the two saved searches I had from the last version but I can't find how to save a new one. And maybe a way to drag a search into Shortcuts?

Edit > Find > Save Search. I'd like to see it more obvious myself :)

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Re: Atlas

Any inaccuracies in location data will be as a result of whatever platform was used to create the data. For example, if you create a note on your Mac and it is tagged incorrectly, it is because Mac OS thought you were someplace you weren't. Same thing applies if you create the note on Android, iOS, etc.

You can always disable Evernote's access to your location via your System Preferences and hide Atlas from your sidebar. Easy! :)

I figured (of course) that something else was feeding my Evernote account incorrect data. That is no big deal to me. As you said, System Preferences > Security and Privacy > Privacy.

I don't know why I didn't realize we could just remove the nab from the sidebar: right click > remove. My mind is living in the past. Thanks for reminding us!

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- Atlas only processes notes on the first ever launch of EN v5. If you disable location permissions to the app, it won't slow down your app.

- Dragging tags to notes is coming

@Jackolicious: thanks muchly for replying. Appreciated! And looking forward to the tag-dragging.

I have to say that your interaction with us here on this forum/thread is much more active and informative than that on the iOS threads, particularly the ones about the iPad version of EN and its lack of List view among other things. So well done J, and tell Evernote that I think you deserve a raise! ;)

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Edit > Find > Save Search. I'd like to see it more obvious myself :)

Thanks, GM. Can't believe I didn't think to look there. :)

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The new design is beautiful! And soon new iOS versions! Life is good. Would love to be able to access the built in paragraph formats in the iOS versions (Headers, block quote etc.) from the Mac application as well, so as to have consistent look to my notes. Keep up the great work.

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Just noticed that when I type command-n, sometimes it doesn't go to the new note. It just stays in the note I was already in and creates a new note in the current notebook (or the default notebook if I'm in (All) Notes). And sometimes it navigates to a different note, but not the new note.

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Request: Note Float

I used to be able to open a note in a separate window while running fullscreen, and it would float on top. This made it easy to drag notes into it to create links. Now when I do this, the note disappears behind the fullscreen window and can only be retrieved by going out of fullscreen and looking behind the main window.

I hope this will be restored.

On the whole, I like the beta very much.

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Grumpy-

You say

"It is still in beta, so there is that."

The message that pops up to inform users that a new version of Evernote is available does NOT use the word "Beta". It does not warn users that there is no documentation for how the new version works. Yet another flaw in the new version. "Everyone wins"? Nice try. I wasted the better part of a day. Did you think of that when you made your claim of everybody winning? Perhaps you meant to say "everybody at evernote wins when we can trick our users into doing our work for us"

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For me, the sidebar is a huge step back in usability.

  • I don't need the huge icons. I navigate by tag hierarchy and the hughe icons for Notes, Notebooks, Tags, etc. destroy the harmonic layout I had for that before.
  • I am unable to select multiple tags to cumulatively act as a filter.
  • If I select a tag, there is no visual indicator to show that I had that highlight selected.
  • I thought having saved searches in the sidebar was a fairly good way to navigate because both saved searches and tags effectively act as filters. It doesn't make sense to have them split up the way it is now.
  • I found the information how many notes were assigned to each tag in the tag list to be very helpful. Many once saved searches make it back in the sidebar where they belong, the can get that too.
  • Minor thing: The arrows are overly picky. You have to hit them just right to collapse a parent tag, or it won't collapse.
  • I used to be able to acces the note info by hitting cmd-shift-i on the keyboard. It seems I am now forced to use the mouse for that. That slows me down.

An ongoing complaint:

  • The area reserved for showing the tags assigned to the note are still ridiculously small. That part should be user resizable. Some people use a lot of tags. I use Evernote to collect legal research and thoroughly assign a lot of tags to cases. It works well for finding them again, but I would like to easily be able to see all tags currently assigned to a note as well.
  • As a workaround, but even better still, in addition, it would be very helpful if the sidebar tag list would subtly highlight (that is, in a lighter gradient than the one that you hopefully add to visually indicate an active selection) all tags assigned to the current note. That would make it easier to find related notes.

A bug:

  • When I am in Atlas mode and hot cmd+n, a new note will be created but the view doesn't switch to it. It should.

A question:

  • Is there an easy way to batch-edit geolocation for notes by assigning pre-defined location names to them? There should be....

Major improvent:

  • Sidebar can now actually easily be resized.
  • Evernote seems to remember sidebar resizing.

Finally, I am not a big fan of the dark grey either. I don't mind if it is something finely textured, but the stark contrast between the sidebar and the notes pane makes it hard for me to focus my eyes on the content of the note.

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Also for me the Atlas feature is not working (on a MacBook running OS X Lion)

Opposite to several people here I think this feature could be very handy!

P.S.: Icons in the sidebar could be a little smaller!

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Metrodon

- The location helper only appears when it's needed in the latest beta.

I assume that it is needed when I click the location icon in note detail and it fills in an address? Because it isn't currently.

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CEB, we just released the public version this morning. The release notes for all prior versions said beta.

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Grumpy-

You say

"It is still in beta, so there is that."

The message that pops up to inform users that a new version of Evernote is available does NOT use the word "Beta". It does not warn users that there is no documentation for how the new version works. Yet another flaw in the new version. "Everyone wins"? Nice try. I wasted the better part of a day. Did you think of that when you made your claim of everybody winning? Perhaps you meant to say "everybody at evernote wins when we can trick our users into doing our work for us"

I don't think you get the message unless you have opted into the beta (a checkbox you have to manually check). The release notes say it is a beta. There is a video on the Evernote site (http://evernote.com/.../whats_new/mac/) that should have cover most of the highlights. There is a blog post as well (http://blog.evernote.com/2012/11/15/evernote-5-for-mac-is-here-packed-with-over-100-new-features/). And, there was another post back when the beta came out (http://blog.evernote.com/2012/11/01/evernote-5-for-mac-beta-is-here/). The app essentially works as it did in the past, with a few new features. Could you tell us specifically what aspect of the app wasted the better part of your day? Maybe that will help Evernote improve the experience next time.

[ EDIT: Ugh. I got sniped by two Evernote employees within five minutes. Now that is some fast service! ]

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I have done a bit of testing of the new version and here is some of my feedback.

  • When Evernote is running in a fully maximized window on a 27" iMac and you enter the notebook view, the icons are so large that you can only fit 10 icons on the screen horizontally and around 5 rows vertically. That is a complete and utterly ridiculous waste of space on such a large monitor - And it doesn't provide any benefit over the old display mode what so ever!
  • The atlas function seem utterly useless to me. I'm finding it hard to imagine any situation where it has any use for 98% of the users. Can't help but feel that it's more of a gimmick and wasted development ressources.
  • You can't see which notebook is selected in the sidebar - No highlight occurs.
  • Tags aren't reachable as easily as before. Now you have to click more times to reach them.
  • If you put a stack on the shortcut bar you have to right click to collapse/extend it instead of just clicking on an arrow/icon next to it so this adds an extra step.
  • You can't drag notebooks to the shortcut list from the actual tree view of notebooks, you have to go to the giant icon notebook view which wastes another few steps to complete an action.
  • When you enable the notebook tree it looks completely out of place below those rather big icons in the sidebar. It doesn't seem to be connected or related to anything so it just seems to appear out of nowhere - Looks very odd and out of place.

One thing i really like about the new version is the edit window of the notes but most everything else seems to be more focussed on looking nice than actually being functional. Most stuff seems to be a step backwards. The notebook icons are HUGE and waste an insane amount of screen space, the atlas function seems to have been a complete waste of resources to develop, the large thumbnail display of notes is another example of something that wastes insane amounts of screen space without providing any benefit,

I depend on Evernote every single day for both my work and in my personal life so I really REALLY want to be positive and happy about the new version, but no matter how i look at it, it seems like a giant leap backwards in functionality and productivity - Which have all been sacrificed for the sake of some stupid giant icons just to look "cool" (It fails in that department btw). It's wrong and stupid on so many levels that I can't help but be greatly disappointed in the complete lack of focus on UI/UX, interaction design and a complete lack of focus in the direction of the product. There are an insane number of feature requests in the forums, all of which makes a lot more sense than wasting insane amount of screen space, requirering multiple extra steps to complete even simple tasks that in the current stable version is working just perfectly.

This is coming from a person who has worked in the software development business for 15 years and who daily works with UI/UX, interaction design and related areas.

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This sure feels like a bug:

1) spawning new windows:

clicking on any of the icons on the left hand sidebar switches the view to that notebook or area, but in reality, it spawns a new window. After heavy use of Evernote 5 Mac, I have 10+ windows for Evernote running. Why doesn't it just change focus?

2) +New Note on <folder>

clicking this button on the toolbar creates a new note, but one without focus: I can not just start writing my note, I have to grab the mouse, and click on the note in the Note list. This should bring focus to the note in the note editor.

Thanks

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@grumpy monkey:

" Could you tell us specifically what aspect of the app wasted the better part of your day? Maybe that will help Evernote improve the experience next time."

Sure. It is different. And the months of my learning how to use it, while not entirely wasted, have been rendered wasted until I spend yet more time to get back to where I was in proficiency.

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Nightstalker

- Atlas does not take CPU cycles in the background after your first load of the app

lpr

- Thank you :rolleyes:

- Double-click: good suggestion. Noted.

- Toggle local/synced note

- Going back to the old Evernote: as long as you use the direct download (not mac app store) you should be fine.

PeterLondon

- Dragging tags: noted

- Saved searches: this is one area of the app that we love and working very hard to make more powerful for you.

- Tags being too long: I can add those tags to my notes just fine.

Chris S

- We are definitely not trying to remove power user features. In fact, we are trying to add them!

Ruslan

- New note focus: fixed in yesterday's beta release

Location questions:

Evernote asks users for their location before ever using it. We only use it if you give approval. Once that happens, you can always disable it in your system preferences.

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+1 for forward/back buttons or shortcuts for navigating between notes. If you use a lot of Note Links, then this becomes a crucial feature.

+1 for Total Note count missing.

But in general, very pleased with the look and functionality of Evernote 5 beta. I really like the shortcuts bar. That has really helped my workflow. Also, the recent searches in the search bar is helpful.

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I was very disappointed in Evernote. They promoted the new version for Mac 5.0.0 on their web site with flashy text and photos, implying that it was "ready for prime time". The reality is that it is very far from being ready for public use. People like me who use it heavily cannot afford to drop everything for a day or two to learn how to use it, provide feedback to Evernote about what is wrong with it, and then (as I did) switch back to the previous version. Maybe if they wanted to compensate me for my time I would do it, but they were looking for users to become unpaid consultants. The effort that went into creating advertising to make it appear ready for use ought to have gone into providing basic explanations about how to use the new version. I am happy to be back to an earlier and more stable version, and I will avoid future "beta" versions. I will also view future Evernote releases more skeptically. I am curious about what is going on internally at Evernote that allowed this blunder. I may have to switch to a different tool. I started with Microsoft OneNote. That was one of the few really good Microsoft products. It would only do a revision on the Office cycle, which was not necessarily the best thing for OneNote and its users. Evernote seemed to be doing a better job of revising its software when there were substantive improvements. Now there seems to have been a rush to revise it when the "eye candy" looks different without regard to whether it functions better.

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Minor bug. I imported a new note this morning that contained a .jpg. When I rotated the jpg is disappeared.

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Quick enhancement request: The built-in Evernote Trunk browser doesn't have a back button. If I'm browsing Mac apps, I have to keep clicking back on "Apps" then "Mac" to get at the next item.

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...One thing thing I was wondering for evernote for mac ... when we have an idea that comes upon use - we flash think of evernote - we have to take our hand off the mouse to do Control+Command+N or go into Evernote and then click on new note. Any chance of using this as an opportunity for enhancing an option off the dock icon (like safari's dock icon' one click option for a new window; so that the evernote dock icon could have a an option for a new note …potentially a second option for a new window - it would speed idea capture and fluidity - our hands stays on the mouse)?

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mcdonna, we sent out our largest email blast ever warning users of the change. Hope the what's new page helps!

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Customizability with Mixing Shared Notebooks

- I am trying to tag a batch of notes and having all sorts of trouble, because there are "read only" notes included somewhere in there now. They must be from some shared notebook, but where? The shared notebooks are now (kind of) part of our accounts while at the same time being separate (impossible to organize and integrate).

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I was very disappointed in Evernote. They promoted the new version for Mac 5.0.0 on their web site with flashy text and photos, implying that it was "ready for prime time". The reality is that it is very far from being ready for public use. People like me who use it heavily cannot afford to drop everything for a day or two to learn how to use it, provide feedback to Evernote about what is wrong with it, and then (as I did) switch back to the previous version. Maybe if they wanted to compensate me for my time I would do it, but they were looking for users to become unpaid consultants. The effort that went into creating advertising to make it appear ready for use ought to have gone into providing basic explanations about how to use the new version. I am happy to be back to an earlier and more stable version, and I will avoid future "beta" versions. I will also view future Evernote releases more skeptically. I am curious about what is going on internally at Evernote that allowed this blunder. I may have to switch to a different tool. I started with Microsoft OneNote. That was one of the few really good Microsoft products. It would only do a revision on the Office cycle, which was not necessarily the best thing for OneNote and its users. Evernote seemed to be doing a better job of revising its software when there were substantive improvements. Now there seems to have been a rush to revise it when the "eye candy" looks different without regard to whether it functions better.

Hi. Thanks for posting. It is still in beta, so there is that. They are, indeed, asking users to provide input on it before they release the final version. You can opt into this system or not, but personally I like to be able to offer comments at a stage when Evernote developers might be able to incorporate the improvements into the app. Everyone wins that way.

As for the app, I think it is actually coming along quite nicely with some major new improvements. Any major revision requires adjustments, but leaving those aside, do you think it functions worse than the last one? For example, we can now search shared notebooks, and we have the Shortcuts Menu, which enables us to manually order our notes for the first time. This seems pretty significant to me. Is there something you were hoping to see?

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Two bugs:

1 major: You can only log in when you are connected to the internet (pw check done via server). Very bad since it crashed on me on the flight here and then could not use it during the entire 7hr flight. Grr...

1 minor: command+N creates a new note, but in most instances, you stay in the active note and don't automatically jump to the new note.

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Bulleted lists seem to not want to continue when I press Enter (next line). It's very annoying as I have to do a series of steps that seem to be different every time to get my bullets working again.

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This new version of Evernote for Mac is very, very good. I love the cleaner interface and I can each time I see a change in UI, I totally see the reason for it. Nothing but praise so far.

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I think I found a bug.

I choose the option to see my notes sorted by title, in alphabetical order. I close Evernote, and when I open it again, the notes are sorted in reverse alphabetical order. It didn't save the option.

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Is there any way to see the count for how many notes in each notebook?, on the sidebar, like before? I liked to see the amount of total notes...

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Please allow saved searches to be put in the side bar. I heavily relied on being able to click on a saved search in the top bar to quickly run that search, and having to access them through the search bar drop down seems far less efficient.

I believe it was mentioned before, but if not, when you are browsing in a specific notebook, please highlight the notebook in the side bar (whether it be in the notebooks list or a notebook shortcut).

When viewing notes in snippet view, the snippet displays what notebook that note is in only if that snippet is selected. It would be nice if all the snippets displayed the notebook regardless of whether the snippet is selected.

Please allow a vertical list view, similar to what the Windows version has when you hold down the shift key when selected the list view.

Grey on grey has got to go. To difficult to read, especially the light gray on light gray such as in the tag view and notebook view, although it wouldn't hurt to also make the text in the sidebar have more contrast to the background.

Thanks, this is a promising beta.

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Thanks for the feedback Jackolicious.

If I have very long tags, then the name of the longest tag will not be shown in full in the drop-down list when I attempt to add it to a note. You can add it to the note, but you cannot see the full width of the name to ensure that's the one you want to add.

I can see why it may be thought logical to put saved searches in the drop-down in the search box. But actually, saved searches are used in the same way that tags and notebooks are used in the sidebar. That's why they are in the sidebar in the current version. I would click on a saved search in the same way I clicked on a tag, tags, or notebook etc to find a set of notes. It's far more logical to have all those grouped in the sidebar. And of course you made it easy for users decide what they wanted to show in the sidebar or not. Then of course one should be able to amend the name of saved searches, and the search strings - all of which are now not possible.

I know you say you are not removing power-features; but that's just not the case with this beta. Many power-features, even everyday features, are now missing. Dragging tags to notes is not a power-feature.

Why on earth would you want to remove anyfeatures? I cannot remember in all my years of using software, ever coming across a piece of software that actually had major, or even small, features removed with an "upgrade". Yes, software can become bloated and subject to constant additions to enable the dev co to constantly bill customers for more features; and yes, menus, look-and-feel etc. can be altered and changed around. I could also understand if you wanted to release a lite version, or move features to the premium edition. But REMOVING features? Never seen it!

Evernote is a very, very powerful piece of software that can transform businesses; and I was really looking forward to the business release, and would be quite happy to pay far more per annum then I am at the moment. I honestly think that Evernote could be on it's way to breaking into the corporate sector, rather like DropBox, with all the resultant massive increase in subscriptions etc.

But if you are just looking at your user-stats, and going for the lowest-common-denominater user, I think you are making a huge mistake.

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cjdeheer, thanks for the report!

Jay, thanks for the comments :)

- you can still select multiple tags at the top of the note list

- saved searches can be dragged from search into the shortcuts

- cmd-shift-i will be making a comeback, don't worry!

mlykke, thanks for the input! We added a lot of keyboard shortcuts so that navigation would be even easier than before. Hopefully those help!

iNik, good call.

camerons, thanks!

stevenrt, appreciate the input!

- searches can be added to the Shortcuts! Just drag!

Thanks fo all the feedback!

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GREAT JOB GUYS! Evernote far far away the best free app (after Caffeine :) )

Questions:

1) Is there any way to customize the toolbar to add back/forward/print/etc?

2) Where did "Files" go? I usually search for attachments and loved that feature

3) I have a Mac Air 11" and I'd like to have a three-column card view but it takes too much of the screen. Any way to customize the size of the cards?

Feedback:

. CMD 1-9 is one of the best new features

. View Notebooks in the sidebar, it would be nice to expand/collapse?

. Icons in the toolbar for new camera/audio note

. Definitely All Notes icon in the toolbar

. I think for such a complete app it's time to expand and improve the "Preferences"

Great job again, thanks!

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Downloaded the new iPhone app today. I love design, and it looks great, but I had a hard time finding things (like simply searching all notes without having to first remember in which notebook a note resides). (I'm sure that's another area of the forum, so I'll post there.)

That said, the following is relevant to this forum:

While looking for a certain note on the iPhone, I accidentally tapped on a note I created yesterday. As soon as it opened, I closed it.

Now -- back at home -- I'm needing that same note that I accidentally viewed earlier on my iPhone. I was looking for notes created yesterday. But now, that note's modification date has changed to today -- presumably simply because I viewed it (accessed it) on my iPhone. Someone else mentioned this, here in this forum, except he or she had viewed a note within the Mac app.

Please, please, please fix this. Simply viewing a note without making any changes whatsoever does not constitute modification. And it's critical that my (our) notes remain accurately timestamped. There are other notes that I created after the note in question that now show that they were created *before* that note. It's critical that my notes stay in the correct chronological order.

Thanks. :-)

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Bugs noted until here.

Soundsgood, as always with local notebooks, it may be worthwhile to export them regularly and keep current backups.

Thanks.

1. Any suggestions for getting the migration to v5 to work on the affected machine? (Trashing prefs didn't do it.)

2. Will exported local notes retain their creation and modification dates?

So, I exported my local notes, deleted the EN folder in Application Support, then launched v5 and had it download all of the synced notes. So I'm up and running.

First usability observations:

I use the Paste to Evernote feature extensively, which of course puts all pasted notes into the designated notebook. i'm accustomed to going to that notebook, selecting any notes that don't belong in the default notebook, then simply dragging them to the correct notebook in the sidebar. Except -- when viewing notes, we can't see the notebooks in the sidebar. This is an awkward layout.

Also, when I finally located my notebook, which is in a folder, then selected it, I was alarmed at first that my notes didn't appear. The way we have to choose to view either notebooks or our actual notes is rather cumbersome. :-)

Finally (for now -- hehe), I don't care for the dark strip at the left. It contrasts too much with the rest of the interface. Please give us the option for a more unified look.

Thanks!

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Found a missing feature:

If I want to drag and drop a number of txt files or PDF files to a specific Notebook I do this:

1. Go to Notebooks

2. Search for a notebook I want to drop the files to and try to drop the files into it.

However, this does not work. If I drop files into a notebook from Notebook Search results, nothing happens. The only way to make this work is to find the notebook in the list of notebooks manually and drop the files there.

Please fix this.

One more thing, can you please add a keyboard shortcut to delete the note that is currently open as a separate window? I often open notes via spotlight and it is painful to go to the Evernote app just to delete this note. I see that the new beta does note even have an icon to delete a note when it is open in a separate window.

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-There's no visual cue in the sidebar which notebook you're in. I realize it says it across the top of the notes list, but I'd like it to be reflected in the sidebar. When you click on Notes/Notebooks/Tags, the text becomes white and stays that way. But when you click on an individual notebook or tag, it's only white while clicking and then it returns to the default color.

-Same problem with tags. When I command-click multiple tags, it seems to correctly select notes with those tags, but there's no cue in the sidebar which tags are selected.

-The icons in the sidebar are way [too] big, in my opinion. The Notes item (which I preferred when it was just a notebook called All Notebooks) plus the Notebooks item take up a full inch of vertical space. Way too much.

-When I command-click on two tags, the tag dropdown above the notes list only shows the most recently clicked tag when I click on the triangle, even though two tags are selected. Actually, I can only surmise that the two tags are selected by reviewing the notes themselves. There's no visual feedback whatsoever for which tags are selected.

-I like the shortcuts list in the sidebar, rather than across the top. You can only fit so many items horizontally, but vertically, it's very flexible.

-I wish it would allow me to click a notebook, and then while in that notebook, select a tag (or command-click multiple tags) without leaving the notebook. Any time I select a tag to view, it assumes I want to search all notebooks. I suppose the only way to select for notes with a particular tag in a particular notebook is to type out a compound search in the search field? (e.g., notebook:receipts tag:october tag:2012)

-I wish I could expand/collapse the Notebooks and Tags list in the sidebar without right-clicking.

-I +1 the comment someone else made about the gray-on-gray in the Tags list. However, I do like how when you click on one tag, other tags that are assigned to any of the currently matching notes become highlighted. Very cool.

-I *really* don't like that in Snippet view, the name of the notebook only appears on the selected note's snippet. If you're looking at notes that aren't selected, there's no visual cue what notebook each note is in.

-I *love* type ahead. Definitely my favorite new feature. I used to hate how it would hang after typing a few characters in the search field. Type ahead is snappy.

<-- These. Especially, "There's no visual cue in the sidebar which notebook you're in."

Also, we can't simply drag a note from its current notebook into another one. (I mentioned this in a previous post.)

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Request for Paste to Evernote feature:

This has been an issue for quite some time: I've designated a default notebook for pasted notes, but 10% of my notes need to go elsewhere. And moving those notes (and remembering that I have notes that need to be moved) has become quite tedious and frustrating..

Idea: I wish that when we invoke the Paste command, a window popped up in which we could either (a) confirm the default notebook (by simply hitting Return) or (B) select a new destination notebook. (Naturally, this behavior would be enabled by a preference in order to preserve the current behavior for those who don't want the extra step.) You know how on youtube, when you save a video, you get a pop-up window, asking you into which playlist you want to save the video? That's what we need, here, for the Paste feature (at least as an option).

Hopefully you'll consider this. Thanks!

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Hi,

For what it's worth: I really like the redesign of the Evernote app for Mac and the type ahead and related tags features are quite handy, but the one thing I'm missing are my hierarchical/nested tags. I have a long list of tags, neatly organised in a tree structure, but after the upgrade, all the tags are just "mashed" together, all on the same level.

Please consider introducing the nested tag feature again. Thanks!

Best regards,

Kristof

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Grumpy-

You say

"It is still in beta, so there is that."

The message that pops up to inform users that a new version of Evernote is available does NOT use the word "Beta". It does not warn users that there is no documentation for how the new version works. Yet another flaw in the new version. "Everyone wins"? Nice try. I wasted the better part of a day. Did you think of that when you made your claim of everybody winning? Perhaps you meant to say "everybody at evernote wins when we can trick our users into doing our work for us"

It looks like this explanatory page has also gone live, so you can read about using it there as well http://evernote.com/evernote/guide/mac/.

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Incremental Search

- Beachballing as the incremental search begins. I would like it if we could have the option to turn incremental searching off. I understand that search completion, suggestions, and incremental searching might be a good thing in some accounts, but at least for mine, these features are obstacles.

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FYI:

Still seeing the line-break-after-pasting issue in beta 2.

My content is pasted on the same line as my cursor (which is good) but then a line break is inserted after the paste (which is not optimal).

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Releasing version 5.0.0 Beta without also having explanations ready to go was a mistake. By changing everything you immediately create a platform that is far less useful to all users for AT LEAST as long as it takes them to become familiar with something different. Figure out how many hours that takes for the average user and multiply that by all your users. The estimate how much time your new features will save. then divide to see how many years it will take to recover the time your users lost. I bet that was never done.

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One of the things I didn't see mentioned in new features listing is that you can now also drag saved searches to the left sidebar. Go the Notes view, click in the search box in the upper right, and a menu will drop down; you will see your saved searches near the bottom. Grab the one you want and drag it over to the sidebar. Just click on it and that search is instantly run and the notes appear. Very nice!

I use this for my ToDo's. I have a search for todo:false so I can see all the outstanding action items from various meetings.

Whenever Evernote gets around to focusing on task management in the clients in a real way and nails it, this service will be close to perfect. The main thing people do in meetings besides take notes for remembering items, is write down their Action Items / To Do's that come out of the meeting. I think Evernote needs to elevate this functionality and make Task Management a key part of the service / apps.

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Crashes left, right and center. Open evernote, search for some string, open a note that results from the search, close window -------> Crash. Every time, without fail. Running OSX 10.8.2 on current maxed out model of 13" MBP.

Also I don't like not being able to see notebooks and notes at the same time. This is a full on laptop screen, not a tablet or phone, we could stand a little more information density.

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Just found out as well, that if you have long tag names, then you cannot see the full name in the tag window, so that means you can't see which ones you need to move into which parent tag etc.!

This is a downgrade, not an upgrade for sure. And really makes Evernote unusable for many users.

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Nightstalker

- Atlas does not take CPU cycles in the background after your first load of the app

Thanks for that Jackolicious. Can I just clarify one thing though - when you say "after first load of the app" - do you mean literally the first time you load the app, and never thereafter, or everytime you load the app but it then stops for as long as the app is open, until the next time you open it?

Also, what happens when EN gets a new note, either directly, by clipping, or by syncing - does it try to get location info for each one, and does that take up any CPU cycles?

Thanks for clarifying....

Oh, and dragging tags onto the Snippets, or the List, or whatever view we have up, would be wonderful if you could reinstate that feature, please. Including the ability to do a multiple selection of snippets using the command key, then dragging a single tag onto one of the snippets to mass-tag the whole lot..... Thanks :)

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It used to be very quick to go through and "clean up" a notebook by deleting notes, again, quickly. Now, it's a 2-3 second delay after hitting delete before I can do anything else. Any way you can speed that process back up?

Edit: just selected three notes, hit delete, and I'm now beachballing with no end in sight.

Edit 2: I did a force-quit and now things are running a bit more smoothly.

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Does this version prevent you from creating local notebooks?

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Bug:

- Evernote doesn't remember sort order setting and on every launch I have to set it back to alphabetic

Thoughts:

- Icons (od Notes, Notebooks, Atlas, etc.) in the sidebar are too big in my opinion

- Notebooks should behave similar to folders in iOS or launchpad (it should pull-down on click and show Notebooks list). That would solve highlight issue people are complaining about too.

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It looks smashing, and I'm pretty excited overall. Definitely will change my workflow as I figure this stuff out, but I'm happy with how it's going so far. I very much like the dark grey along the left (contrary to what others are saying above), but agree the icons could use some scaling back. Very happy with the shortcuts on the upper left. I am going to try to use those and not expand the notebook stack lower down, but see if I can get away with the 2 dropdown stacks in snippets column and note column. We'll see!

Few quibbles I've noticed:

1) The dropdown list of notebooks above the note (next to Click to add tags): the list that pops up has the stack name greyed out because it's not a valid selection, but it's too greyed out. I can barely see it. Please bump it up just a tad.

2) The Tag view list is too grey-on-grey for me, too. But love the red letters and love the layout.

3) Wish we could set the font for the snippet view list (I believe we could in the previous version, but that's not available in prefs now). It's a nice font, but just a tad too big for my tastes. This is the view I operate under, and I'd rather have it a tad smaller to fit more notes on the page.

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The public beta is looking good, but 2 small suggestions.

1. I think it would be useful if tags in Snippet view were listed in blue rather than the Evernote green used for the date, in order to more easily distinguish them at a glance.

2. I agree with others who want the note-count brought back next to tags in the Sidebar, at least as an additional choice in Sidebar Options.

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buckethead, you may be generating thumbnails. This should only happen temporarily during the initial upgrade process.

It has happened a couple of times since the initial upgrade process. It its 100%+ and when I notice it I quit out (command+q) of EN and then restart it again and it is normal cpu usage.

Yeah, it's not a thumbnail issue. Something is causing a grab of CPU cycles. From my Activity Monitor: Evernote, 229.8% CPU, 19 threads, 218.4 MB memory usage while idle. This happens every few hours, sending my MacBook Air fans into overdrive. I need to quit and restart Evernote to send CPU usage back to normal levels.

I am having the same issue. it starts off ok when I open the program, but as soon as I click on a note to read - it escalates to around 113% and tends to stay there. Have to restart it and then it happens all over again.

Mark

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Looks great!

The usability feedback given here already pretty much covers the gripes I have with the new UI so I won't reiterate those.

However, I have to agree with some of the posters that the sidebar icons are a bit too big. I also think they are overly decorated. Less color and more contrast would make them more accessible. The layout already has some similarities with the Sparrow e-mail client - I would make the sidebar icons similar as well (keep the icon labels, though). Another good example would be iPhoto.

Anyway, these things are purely a matter of aesthetics, so I can't say how alone I am with my opinion :)

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buckethead, you may be generating thumbnails. This should only happen temporarily during the initial upgrade process.

It has happened a couple of times since the initial upgrade process. It its 100%+ and when I notice it I quit out (command+q) of EN and then restart it again and it is normal cpu usage.

I had experienced the same problem for many times on my 2012 MBA(ver. 5.0 public beta). When I open and check activities monitor, the evernote.app just consumed more than 200% cpu!!! After restart it, the cpu usage is back to normal status. (it never happened before 5.0)

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BUG 1 (Search incorrectly assumes space):

Using EN to write lyrics. Note contains hundreds of phrases. Typed "ill" into search bar, wanting to find all words within the note that rhyme. Zero results -- and I'm looking at the word "still." The note also contained words like "bill," "thrill," etc. -- but all were ignored. In other words, search currently assumes a space in front of the searched string. This is a bug.

BUG 2 (Delete key yields odd results):

Tricky to describe. Imagine the way lyrics are typically written:

Line 1

Line 2

Line 3

Say I position the cursor at the very beginning of line 2, and I hit the delete key, expecting this result:

Line 1Line 2

Line 3

Well, that doesn't happen. Instead, when I hit the delete key, lines 1 and 2 are reversed, like this:

Line 2

Line 1

Line 3

NOTE: This seems to occur only in notes that contain multiple formatting. I do not have an exact recipe, but notes without formatting seem to behave properly. (If it helps, typically I'm using a mixture of Helvetica 10 and 13; some regular, some bold, some bold italic; and a mixture of black and very light gray text.)

Which leads me to...

BUG 3 (Formatting of text changes spontaneously):

EN continues to be funky in general with respect to formatted text. I'm very specific with my formatting, but later I'll reopen a note and find that some of the lines have changed size or reverted to non-bold or non-italic. Yesterday I noticed that this note's sizes had been randomized. So I selected the entire note and changed everything to the same size. Then today at a meeting, I viewed the note on my iPad, and the sizes were screwy again. Back at home, sure enough, the sizes are no longer homogenous, as I'd reset them, last night.

Somehow, text formatting isn't properly "hard-written" into the file. It stays put for a while, but later, it changes. This erratic behavior is not new to v5. It's been around for a while.

Thanks.

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It's preventing me :)

If I create a notebook I am not given the option to choose sync or local and then once it is created (as sync'd), I can't change it.

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Noted until here.

CPU usage concerns - it could still be generating thumbnails. Hit cmd-0 to see what it's doing. If it's not doing anything, please send me your activity logs.

BMTJ

- Can't drag notes to a notebook? You can do with Shortcuts or the expanded Notebooks/Tags lists.

- Assigned tags are updated in the tag button of the notelist header

- Atlas, maybe not for you, but some people love it :) You can always hide the icon.

Chris S

- Create a stack by dragging one notebook onto another. You can even add joined notebooks to stacks now.

Ursula

- Note float over fullscreen was a bug. Sorry!

TechBarber

- Image rotation: that's a bug. Thanks!

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I am also very happy with this beta. The options for listing notebooks are great. The tile version would be a nice option for the ipad version but I am finding the list version in the left side best for me. I got rid of the icon for atlas (no use to me) and Trunk and turned on the list view under the View Menu. Now I have my alphabetized list of stacks and notebooks with a smaller group of favorites at the top. I would like to see an expand all/collapse all button and I would also like a collapse/expand arrow on the stacks in favorites.

Overall the design looks great. I happened to load a new EN version on a Microsoft Surface and I can see (I think) EN heading towards a more consistent desktop on all systems. That would be nice. I'm hoping the ipad beta is next...

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Intitle Search Error

- This error can be easily reproduced. Search for intitle:term so that you get four or five notes to appear. Start editing one at a time. On or after the third one, the screen will go blank, and you'll show 0 Notes, even though the search is being filtered exactly the same way. Rerun the search and it will happen again.

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The search engine is really awesome!

But for the expense of these features:

1) Go to selected note is gone (Command+L)

2) Back and Forward buttons

3) Everytime you clear the search, you are back with the same page showing all your notes from all your notebooks.

Before, you are back with the exact note you have searched earlier together with its appropiate notebook.

Workaround: Switch to Card view

4) Advanced Search Operators ex. combining multiple tags like:

notebook:medical -tag:"%IM" -tag:"ObGyn" -tag:research

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Re: Atlas

Any inaccuracies in location data will be as a result of whatever platform was used to create the data. For example, if you create a note on your Mac and it is tagged incorrectly, it is because Mac OS thought you were someplace you weren't. Same thing applies if you create the note on Android, iOS, etc.

You can always disable Evernote's access to your location via your System Preferences and hide Atlas from your sidebar. Easy! :)

It still would be great to be able to re-tag or completely untag posts in Atlas en masse.

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In version 5 Beta 1 and 2 font for note title looks terrible and it renders ugly with substitution of polish characters from different font :( However note titles in cover view looks ok.

Also Atlas function on 10.6 still connecting connecting and connecting..

And also I have impression whole app is less reponsive than version 4. When I click on notebook I need to wait half a second or second to appear.

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I've just installed 5. There was a lot of talk and many requests for 'n' tier stacks (stacks within stacks) I can find no reference to stacks at all in V5.... Please tell me I'm wrong? I can see how legacy stacks are rendered - but there doesnt seem to be either drag and drop of notes or any way of managing stacks at all?

UPDATE

I worked it out and it is indeed drag and drop within the notebook overview (not now in the sidebar which confused me) It's still only 1 level of stacking but at least it works.

Please give us multiple stack levels.... Eg

Business Notes, Clients, Client A

Note A

Note B

Note C

Business Notes, Clients, Client B

Business Notes, Admin

Private Notes, Holidays, 2012

Thanks.

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  • Okay, I admit, now that I know how to get the saved searches back to the sidebar, that does make a lot of sense.
  • As others have noted, it would be good to have a more intuitive way of saving searches though - maybe the way the Finder implements it.
  • It would be way more convenient to be able to select multiple tags in the sidebar, although I kind of like the new tag list in the main pane with its index-like look. In my everyday work, this would definitely be more a gimmick though, whereas the main filtering should be done in the sidebar. (Which I thought its purpose was)
  • Going back to the large icons, I would clarify that I am not necessarily opposed to them, but the way it looks now, the icons are an interruption of the tag list and the notebook list, etc. It is not evident how the lists refer to the icons because they are very differently designed and not tied together.
  • After half a day of usage, I can also note that the beta is extremely crash-happy, especially when using cmd-w to close a window. I guess this is to be expected from a beta.
  • I and my muscle memory also think - but am too lazy too check that by re-installing it - that the old Evernote allowed to switch from, e.g. list view to snippet view - with the keyboard. I know I can reinstate that by going to my keyboard preferences, but I think Evernote should come with defaults.

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I've just installed 5. There was a lot of talk and many requests for 'n' tier stacks (stacks within stacks) I can find no reference to stacks at all in V5.... Please tell me I'm wrong? I can see how legacy stacks are rendered - but there doesnt seem to be either drag and drop of notes or any way of managing stacks at all?

UPDATE

I worked it out and it is indeed drag and drop within the notebook overview (not now in the sidebar which confused me) It's still only 1 level of stacking but at least it works.

Please give us multiple stack levels.... Eg

Business Notes, Clients, Client A

Note A

Note B

Note C

Business Notes, Clients, Client B

Business Notes, Admin

Private Notes, Holidays, 2012

Thanks.

It's exactly as it has been for a long time. Notes live in notebooks, notebooks can be added to stacks. Unfortunately, in an attempt I think to simplify the UI they have obfuscated certain operations.

I am fairly sure there will not be in the short to medium term (6 months to 2 years) any deeper nesting of notebooks. Evernote have made it very clear that they are not interested in building this model and the changes required throughout the service and clients would I guess be hugely expensive.

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  • If I run an Applescript, the Evernote window will become active, even re-appear from hiding and changing spaces (Okay, that is standard behaviour for a window that is activated). That was not the behaviour of the previous version of Evernote. There, I could run an applescript on Evernote in the background, allowing me to work on something else while Evernote was quietly doing its thing in the background.

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Overall, I really like the update. Well done to all concerned. Some specific feedback on the beta:

- Bug: The primary way I like to manage my notes on a day by day basis is by sorting notes by date updated. Sorting this way gives me a quick way to browse through all my new notes, and process them if required. However, I have noticed that with the new version of EN, it seems to be very sensitive in changing the "date updated" stamp on a note. It seems that just clicking on or in (I think), without making changes to a note, updates the date updated. Therefore, if I go back to read an old note, it jumps up to the top of my list of notes even though it could be months old. I have not made any actual changes to it, just clicked within it. This bug is the only really annoying bug I have encountered thus far.

- Would also like to see the top toolbar customisable with shortcuts, instead of the sidebar. I have a MacBook Air 11", so screen retail space is at a premium. I always kept the old sidebar list of notebooks/tag/etc hidden to free up space, and used the shortcuts at the top instead.

- However, since we do currently have the sidebar, I also like the ability to drag individual notes to shortcut area & recent notes feature. Also like search improvements - love type ahead feature.

- Seems to be some negativity in the Atlas discussions about. I like the feature. It's a bit of fun.

- Bug: I like the CMD-J shortcut to jump between notebooks, and then into the search bar. However, after activating the search bar, when you CMD-J back to the notebook list, the search bar drop down contents are still visible, and obscures the selected note.

- Some discussion above about note counts. One convoluted way of figuring out the total number of notes in your account is when you are viewing a subset of your notes, to click CMD-SHIFT-A and it will display all your notes, along with the total number at the top of the card view.

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I've just installed 5. There was a lot of talk and many requests for 'n' tier stacks (stacks within stacks) I can find no reference to stacks at all in V5.... Please tell me I'm wrong? I can see how legacy stacks are rendered - but there doesnt seem to be either drag and drop of notes or any way of managing stacks at all?

UPDATE

I worked it out and it is indeed drag and drop within the notebook overview (not now in the sidebar which confused me) It's still only 1 level of stacking but at least it works.

Please give us multiple stack levels.... Eg

Business Notes, Clients, Client A

Note A

Note B

Note C

Business Notes, Clients, Client B

Business Notes, Admin

Private Notes, Holidays, 2012

Thanks.

It's exactly as it has been for a long time. Notes live in notebooks, notebooks can be added to stacks.

an for a long time it has been flawed.

They have removed drag and drop from the sidebar - which was confusing? I develop user interfaces and this IS done differently. Secondly, stacks of stacks are really desirable and are the subject of numerous feature requests - I was simply pointing out that A: the change of stack method management is obscure but actually probably an improvement once you find it, and secondly that stacks of stacks would be desirable,

But thanks for your wisdom anyway.

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Talking of Applescript, are there any enhancements there?

My first reflections on the beta are:

  1. I'd like List View to allow the list to be next to the note editing area. Above doesn't work well for me. So Snippet is the nearest but has too much info in it.
  2. I still want a shortcut to add a row.

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I've just installed 5. There was a lot of talk and many requests for 'n' tier stacks (stacks within stacks) I can find no reference to stacks at all in V5.... Please tell me I'm wrong? I can see how legacy stacks are rendered - but there doesnt seem to be either drag and drop of notes or any way of managing stacks at all?

UPDATE

I worked it out and it is indeed drag and drop within the notebook overview (not now in the sidebar which confused me) It's still only 1 level of stacking but at least it works.

Please give us multiple stack levels.... Eg

Business Notes, Clients, Client A

Note A

Note B

Note C

Business Notes, Clients, Client B

Business Notes, Admin

Private Notes, Holidays, 2012

Thanks.

It's exactly as it has been for a long time. Notes live in notebooks, notebooks can be added to stacks.

an for a long time it has been flawed.

They have removed drag and drop from the sidebar - which was confusing? I develop user interfaces and this IS done differently. Secondly, stacks of stacks are really desirable and are the subject of numerous feature requests - I was simply pointing out that A: the change of stack method management is obscure but actually probably an improvement once you find it, and secondly that stacks of stacks would be desirable,

But thanks for your wisdom anyway.

You misunderstand me a little - I agree that removing drag and drop is a bad move "Unfortunately, in an attempt I think to simplify the UI they have obfuscated certain operations".

With regard to nesting, it's an opinion thing and has been discussed ad nauseum on here. You and lots of others believe it to be "flawed", lots of others don't. I don't believe having been around here a long time that it is going to change in the forseeable future thats all.

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Ehi, where's the trash can?!? I believe I looked everywhere and couldn't find it...

Hope it's just me or the beta state of the software...

Starting from Skitch' rebuild, I feel like at Evernote they decided they have to revolutionise at all costs... Even things that really don't need to. Anyway, I hope it's just a feeling with no ground.

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Another vote for showing total note count.

(Had posted this in another area and then found this thread so copying and pasting here)

I recently upgraded to Evernote 5 for MAC and actually like the new UI. The only thing I cannot seem to find is the total note count. Since I work across multiple computers I frequently use this to make sure EN is up to date. On the left (black) column next to the Notes icon I was expecting to see the total note count in parenthesis. Not there. However, in the middle column, if I choose to group by category I can see sub counts of notes in each group but again no total note count. Has the total note count been left off of EN 5 for MAC? If so I would vote for it to be restored.

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Ehi, where's the trash can?!? I believe I looked everywhere and couldn't find it...

Hope it's just me or the beta state of the software...

Starting from Skitch' rebuild, I feel like at Evernote they decided they have to revolutionise at all costs... Even things that really don't need to. Anyway, I hope it's just a feeling with no ground.

Hi. Check in your notebooks. You'll find the trashcan there.

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Search Filter and Focus Note Problem

- If you are editing a note and change it so that the search filter parameters no longer apply (removing a word that you used in the search, for example) you are thrown out of the note and the note disappears. You have to clear the search and sort by updated to find it again. Of course, I understand the logic of what is happening, but in practice, I don't think it should work this way. Surely the app should never kick us out of a note we are working on, right?

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I agree with people who've requested to make Atlas in the sidebar an optional feature. I have no use for it whatsoever. I feel the same way about the atlas feature in the upcoming iOS update.

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I noticed that the Back/Forward buttons are missing. In the previous versions they behaved kind of weird, but they did the job. I use note links a lot and really need this feature for navigating. This is a deal-breaker for me at the moment, I had to uninstall the Beta.

@cjdeheer: Did you try to right-click on Atlas in the sidebar? There's an option to hide it.

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Playing with it a little more I like the "recent notes" feature of the sidebar. I wonder what "recent" means and don't see a setting. I'd hope it got it right for me - whatever THAT means. :-)

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As always, thanks for the comments. Great stuff here! We are definitely listening and *always* read this forum. We don't have time to respond to everyone but we value the input and consider every suggestion.

Karen,

- good suggestion about dragging the trash to shortcuts

- you can delete a note by clicking on it and using the delete key on your keyboard

mrg,

- trash behavior, good catch. strange bug!

- new note focus, aware and working on it

- keyboard shortcut for note info, working on it!

- close the sidebar and see shortcuts, you can use keyboard shortcuts for them right now :) cmd-(1-9)

halfbyte,

- translation in german definitely needs fixing

- note focus, good catch. working on it.

- atlas connecting issue, thanks for reporting!

annapolis

- dragging multiple notes to a tag, you can do this with shortcuts :)

(I tried, not effective as old method - previously if I had a list of notes - I might select multiple notes and drag to a tag, no fuss; have not had speed or success doing via recommended; I like to focus on the work not be distracted by the mechanism (breaks fluidity, and especially what was a click and drag to a click and typing in a tag). Also promotion and demotion of tags within tags much harder - again breaking fluidity).

Steve,

- shortcuts aren't syncing right now

jrlindeley,

- you can definitely drag tags into the sidebar's shortcuts. enjoy!

Thanks again all!

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