(Archived) Evernote for Mac Public Beta is Here

[Jackolicious 808]

Hey Evernoters!

The new Evernote 5 for Mac Beta is here! Packed with tons of new features and a beautiful, new, and customizable UI.

Learn more here: http://blog.evernote.com/2012/11/01/evernote-5-for-mac-beta-is-here/

Let me know if you have any questions!

[Metrodon 2,162]

Looks like a bug....

- Add an image to a note

- Open image in Preview and resize, save, close

Previously, the image was updated with the new size in Evernote, doesn't look like it is now. Not sure if it has been updated and is being displayed incorrectly or has just not been updated.

[ursula 42]

Spotlight is no longer indexing my Evernote folder since I downloaded the beta. Anyone else?

[hayco 0]

Hello together,

great work with the GUI

But i have a problem with the atlas mode. I didn�t see a map. Only the background. No Notes, nothing.

Any Idea?

Go into a note, hit the "i" icon, enter a location there, and you will have stuff appear in the Atlas.

Hello Grump,

it seems to be an sync problem. If i use command+0 the status show me a never ending progress bar. My Firewall is disabled. The normal note syncing works fine.

Any Ideas?

[Chris Short 9]

I'd also love to get rid of the images in the snippet view. The snippet view is great for text and text gets obscured now by images if PDFs or images are attached to a note.

You could make this a setting in the view options dropdown menu or add it to preferences.

And when you use the web clipper tool there is no telling what image you might see in the snippet view. It's very annoying and I agree this should be another togglable option.

[buckethead 206]

Like the update so far. One problem I am having is EN killing my CPU and running at 100% when I have it open on my MBP. I have to quit out and restart to stop it from using so much CPU.

[Metrodon 2,162]

Bug

When in Notebooks view, creating a notebook by right clicking and selecting "New Notebook" from the context menu does not present the option to choose a local or sync'd notebook. Instead a sync'd notebook is immediately created.

Creating a new notebook using the button in the top left corner correctly presents the options.

I think this is what I was seeing in my post yesterday or the day before.

[Jim Amsden 3]

Still a lot of crashing, too much even for a Beta. I had a lot of crashing with version 3 too, especially dealing with images, copying, pasting, selecting - often causes crashes.

The new UI is a bit real estate hungry. There a tendency to design apps as if each one is the only one a client ever uses. Evernote started out simple, concise, small, fast and easy to use. Its starting to feel bloated with too many ways of doing the same things, and not addressing some key missing functionality.

Snippet view is OK, but needd choices on what's shown in the snippet. There's too much there now, making it difficult to easily spot the note you're looking for. And it takes up too much space.

List view is still the easiest view to find things. But there's no way to turn off the detail/note view so that you only see the list. There should be a sash that lets you hide the detail/note window and only show the list. Again its a real estate problem. I want to see as many things in the list as possible while keeping the window small. Then I'll use double click to open the note most of the time in a separate window.

Still no editing styles. This is key to being able to create good notes quickly.

Table editing is still pretty weak. Version 5 needs to balance form over function.

Above all, keep it simple, small, fast, portable and reliable. That way we focus on creating notes, not figuring out how to use all the cool features of the tool.

[ursula 42]

Another vote for forward/backward buttons, or a keyboard shortcut that will do the same.

[BMJT 5]

Fair play, this version is even worse than the last. I've already rolled back to version 3.0.2, but if you would like, I will re-upgrade and make a note of everything I find to be a wrong with it. Please don't just charge on with implementing this version, I implore you to listen to people's concerns.

In the meantime, I seem to have lost all my offline notebooks with the move from 3 to 5, any ideas where I might find them? I thought they might have returned when I downgraded, but they're still missing.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Fair play, this version is even worse than the last. I've already rolled back to version 3.0.2, but if you would like, I will re-upgrade and make a note of everything I find to be a wrong with it. Please don't just charge on with implementing this version, I implore you to listen to people's concerns.

In the meantime, I seem to have lost all my offline notebooks with the move from 3 to 5, any ideas where I might find them? I thought they might have returned when I downgraded, but they're still missing.

Hi. I don't have an answer for your local notebooks, but I am wondering about what you find wrong with the app. Besides the bugs I've reported, and a few tweaks here and there, things are looking pretty good to me, and I feel like this is an improvement over the previous interface.

[cjdeheer 20]

After continuing to use it for a couple days, I find myself using the Shortcuts to make up for some shortcomings of the new design. The sidebar implementation of Notebooks and Tags is very poor, in my opinion: no visual cue of which notebook and tag(s) are selected; nonpersistent expanded/collapsed state of stacks and parent tags; no info on how many notes in a tag or notebook; inability to confine vertical space for notebooks and tags in the sidebar, causing too much sidebar scrolling... I'm not a fan of the newspaper-style list of tags and notebooks in the main window -- too confusing to follow when you have lots of tags, especially nested tags. So I've stopped using the notebooks and tags in the sidebar altogether and I keep dragging more and more things to Shortcuts to make them more accessible. But now they feel less like shortcuts and more like I'm trying to recreate the old (better) sidebar. Like someone else in this thread noted, it feels like they were trying to revolutionize the app, even in areas where it didn't need it.

The search functionality is a HUGE improvement. Glad they revolutionized that.

[cjdeheer 20]

One thing I just noticed that I REALLY like is when you're in a notebook, the tag dropdown menu only displays tags that are actually used in the selected notebook. Love that.

[cjdeheer 20]

I just noticed a bug (at least I consider it a bug). When you're in a particular notebook (note all notes) and you click on the tag dropdown menu, it shows a list of tags that are used in that notebook. And as you type it instantly filters the list to matching tags. But when you delete what you've typed, it doesn't revert to the original list of tags. It doesn't show any tags at all, until you start typing again. The only way to make the list of tags reappear is to close the menu and reopen it.

[Jorge M. 0]

Hide Unassigned Tags gone in Mac Evernote 5 beta? Please tell me that feature is coming back.

[loumi02 1]

Hey!

So I just installed the beta version and I just wanted to say congrats, the UI is great and the shortcuts system is awesome. However, I have a couple of few things I'd like to point out about this new version:

- the toolbar: it's been said before, but i guess the more people request it the better: please, please enable toolbar customization again

- the trash: my preferred method of deleting anything was to just drag it to the trash icon and now it's gone. Of course it's not a huge deal, but if you could enable dragging it to the shortcuts, that would be great!

[BMJT 5]

Hi. I don't have an answer for your local notebooks, but I am wondering about what you find wrong with the app. Besides the bugs I've reported, and a few tweaks here and there, things are looking pretty good to me, and I feel like this is an improvement over the previous interface.

UPDATE 04.11.2012 - Pruned comments for clarity and excessive verbiage. Will expand if I get a chance to re-upgrade.

Notebooks

- Can't drag an item to a notebook

- Notebook page seems pretty pointless - Just build functionality back into sidebar

- Skeuomorphism of the notebook view. No need for this aesthetic in a digital notebook, but at least there is an option to turn this off.

- No total counts in sidebar

Tags

- Tag page scrolls right, not down (Anti-intuitive)

- As with notes, no total counts in sidebar

- Tag list no longer updates to reflect active notebook

- Hide unassigned tags option removed

- Tag page is pretty pointless - As per notes, just build functionality into sidebar

General

- Navigation back and forth has been removed

- No trash in sidebar

- Toolbar no longer customisable

- Usage no longer in toolbar - You need to go into account info

- Thumbnail view still terrible - 'Cover' view iteration from version 3 was far better. No option to hide overlaid text.

- Option to resize the thumbnails has been removed

- Vertical list view still not available

- Massive icons wasting space - Ornamental rather than useful

- Atlas - Why?

- New sidebar is far too gimmicky - Bring back solid functionality and reduce excessive layers/hierarchy e.g. Notebook/Tag pages

For balance, some GOOD things:

- Thumbnail view is an improvement on the last version. i.e. I can actually see a reasonably nice view of the note, still an issue though, as above.

- It does look a bit nicer

- Advert removed

- (Will add more if and when I re-upgrade)

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Spotlight is no longer indexing my Evernote folder since I downloaded the beta. Anyone else?

Definitely being indexed for me. You might want to try reindexing your drive.

[RobLewis 26]

I don't want my name entered by default into the "Author" field of new notes.

[Jackolicious 808]

Thanks for the comments! They're very helpful and I'm noting all of them.

buckethead, you may be generating thumbnails. This should only happen temporarily during the initial upgrade process.

[tenoch 1]

I can't close Evernote windows sometimes

[lpr 35]

Thanks for the comments! They're very helpful and I'm noting all of them.

buckethead, you may be generating thumbnails. This should only happen temporarily during the initial upgrade process.

Hi Jake,

FIRST OF ALL CONGRATULATIONS. You have really done a fantastic job with the design of this new version. It makes me happy I chose to use it many years ago and stuck with it. Also, it seems like it's not only the app but the staff of evernote that is looking better! You guys are all really hot

Also,thank you for not selling to google or some other heavyweight like the Sparrow guys did.

The new tags window is awesome. I love how all connected tags light up when one is selected, very good.

A few requests / comments though :

1 : The Ability to double click on items in the sidebar to expend and contract them, having to right click and select expand is annoying. A simple click brings to the window (as it already does nicely ) and a double click expands the item makes more sense to me.

2: It seems like every time you expand the notebooks it insists on showing all the piles of notebooks expended even if I had previously closed some… That's rather annoying if say I wanted to keep some closed most of the time and some open, that it always goes back to that configuration each time you expend instead of remembering like in the old version…. Same goes for the Tags obviously.

3 : When you type tags, the suggestions for tags already existing is rather narrow and trunks the full names of the tags which can cause problems if you have long names that start the sale way. Also , The area reserved for showing the tags assigned to the note are still rather small. Some people use a lot of tags. I find myself having to click on one tag and use the arrows to reveal the hidden tags. I would like to easily be able to see all tags currently assigned to a note.

4 : The Ability to toggle a notebook's Local or Synchronized property. At the moment local notebooks simply show as having no options at all...

5: When expanding Piles of notebooks and Tags both in their dedicated window and in the sidebar it would really help visually if there was a color difference between the names of the Piles and their contents. At the moment everything looks quite the same and it is a bit confusing to look at.

That's it for now .

Thanks guys.

[karenjs 35]

A beta suggestion:

So I'm really loving the shortcuts in the upper left. To make it even more useful for me, I'd love to have ability to add a divider --------------------- into the list. Actually multiple dividers. I *love* the fact that I can mix in notebooks, tags, notes and saved searches. This is just genius. And having dividers, I can break up the list into logical sections & have them be visually distinct.

What do you think?

[Mindplay 1]

Ehi, where's the trash can?!? I believe I looked everywhere and couldn't find it...

Hope it's just me or the beta state of the software...

Starting from Skitch' rebuild, I feel like at Evernote they decided they have to revolutionise at all costs... Even things that really don't need to. Anyway, I hope it's just a feeling with no ground.

Hi. Check in your notebooks. You'll find the trashcan there.

Thank you, I found it there

I just don't think it's neither the right place to be nor the only one. You can't get to the trash via the menu (shortcuts maybe? don't know) and I couldn't create a sidebar shortcut.

There's a reason for the system trash to be easily accessible via the dock and the menu. What's the reason to break such a system-wide pattern for developers?

[Chris Short 9]

Has the feature of creating notebook stacks been removed from Evernote 5? That would be VERY, VERY disappointing.

[PeterLondon 34]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but this "upgrade" seems more like a totally different program - one built for kids or folks wanting to store cooking recipes - rather than serious business people.

I don't want to start listing-out all the features that are now MISSING from Evernote, or I'll be here all night. Perhaps they will all magically re-appear in the final release.

I have over 10,000 notes, 1,500 tags, 47 saved searches etc. This is now looking very Micky Mouse, and thank God I did a test upgrade using a new user account on my Mac first - I'll be sticking with the previous version.

I just can't see how you can "upgrade" a program and remove so-many powerful features???

Here are a few:

You can't drag tags to notes - a super fast way of tagging. I can't remember the name of 1,500 tags to add them by typing. And the tag list that appears when you start typing a tag name is not in parent and child order, so you can't find the tags you need.

There is no ability to alter the height of different sections on the sidebar. So endless scrolling results.

Putting "Saved Search" under the "Edit > Find" menu is just plain daft. Have you been employing programmers from Microsoft by chance?

Where is the list of Saved Search gone from in the sidebar?? I can't add 47 searches to the Shortcuts menu. I know they appear in a drop-down list in the search box, but that's not much help.

Can I not rename my saved searches any more? Or edit the search string?

The odd thing is, I just don't think you folks at Evernote realise what an amazing and powerful app you have developed. I've been using computers since the one we had the size of a small car at University that had punched cards! And for 7 years I was an Apple Mac dealer. I can honestly say, the Evernote is (was) the most revolutionary app I have discovered in years, and has transformed the way I run my businesses.

And I was really excited that you are bringing out a Business version soon. But if it's like this "upgrade" I will be crying and not smiling.

[Chris Short 9]

Feature Request: Right click note and creat copy of note in CURRENT notebook.

I have quite a few notes that are template based and this would be an insanely helpful feature.

[rcherny 7]

Somewhere in the thread above there was a note about how you can select multiple tags from the tag widget drop-down ... it's a nice trick, but think I'm finding myself missing the "search explanation bar" that ran horizontally over the top. Not saying whatever replaces it needs to be exactly the same, but something that better shows what drives what you're looking at.

• selected tags
  
• selected notebooks
  
• search phrase
  

Something ... I'd like to hope that there may be something coming since search, combined with tags and such is such a massive part of using Evernote with large libraries.

Even if there wasn't a full UI exposing the selected search filter, the tag widget, if you have more than one selected -- it's near impossible to tell if there are more than one tag selected -- I see one in the typeahead field, then I can use the arrow keys and *might* find something else from a prior search ...

Thanks again. Great to see progress.

[lpr 35]

Does this version prevent you from creating local notebooks?

No

Also I do have a specific question for you.

Just before installing the beta version I did a copy of my evernote data folder to be sure, since it's a beta that I would not loose or corrupt any files. BUT! since evernote syncs all my data to it's servers, what happens if I want to use my personal backup to go back to the way things were before I started messing around with the new evernote? Will it use the files on my computer as a master and re-update the versions on the server to match my backup or will it change my local backup to match the server version and in doing so possibly delete or corrupt my backup??

I have often wondered about that in the past, when I have done updates or reinstalled OSX or Evernote. I always use a personal data backup from my local folder because it seems safer than downloading all my data from the evernote serves.

[Carson Samson 3]

Important missing features for me (as for others too I'm reading):

• I need a total note count somewhere. Like in the sidebar where it was originally.
  
• Would love to customize the toolbar, adding forward/back and especially a "delete note" icon.
  

Otherwise, very cool improvements.

Thanks,

Carson

[Metrodon 2,162]

No it hasn't.

[Martin Packer 162]

@karenjs How about colour coding them?

[txscott 8]

Crashes frequently. Somtimes after search, sometimes after close. Locks up when closing and Mac notification panel is open. Lots and lots of crashing. Sending reports on them all.

[PeterLondon 34]

Actually, if you have long Tags names like I do, e.g.:

Financial: Services: International: Canada: Banks

Financial: Services: International: Canada: Investment Funds

Then it seems there is no way to actually add such tags to a note!

You can't drag them; and you can't enter them manually by typing, as the drop-down suggestions are not full width.

Crazy.

[leckie 0]

Version 5 is a vast improvement over previous versions however the typography of the notes themselves could use some serious work.

The leading on the text is incredibly close together making consuming the data very difficult. Also it looks like solid black is being used for the text, perhaps taking it down a few shades is a good idea?

[Chris Short 9]

Crashes frequently. Somtimes after search, sometimes after close. Locks up when closing and Mac notification panel is open. Lots and lots of crashing. Sending reports on them all.

There is quite a bit of crashing on close for me. Sending in reports as well.

[Juli 4]

Looks nice! Right now it seems like you can only display all your notebooks together or just a single one. Is there any way the display selected notebooks (for example just notebook A and C but not B )?

[Jackolicious 808]

You can drag any of your notes, notebooks, or tags into Shortcuts for quick access. This video shows you how:

[lpr 35]

Actually, if you have long Tags names like I do, e.g.:

Financial: Services: International: Canada: Banks

Financial: Services: International: Canada: Investment Funds

Then it seems there is no way to actually add such tags to a note!

You can't drag them; and you can't enter them manually by typing, as the drop-down suggestions are not full width.

Crazy.

True.... Let's hope that gets fixed

[mlykke 7]

You can always disable Evernote's access to your location via your System Preferences and hide Atlas from your sidebar. Easy!

No, that is the lazy solution. People shouldn't have to go into system settings blocking the program for stuff like this. It should be a very clear option in the app itself.

Better yet, stop wasting development resources on location features that is usefull for 0.001% of the users.

[Chris Short 9]

I have had Atlas on since the upgrade to this beta version and I have no use for it whatsoever. I would like to go back and remove that location data from notes because I have a wildly sporadic location for notes that I've made here in the office.

[lpr 35]

Also the new way to easily and quickly select a notebook and then chose from the tags present in this particular notebook all directly in the top bar is a really cool feature. thanks for that.

[buckethead 206]

buckethead, you may be generating thumbnails. This should only happen temporarily during the initial upgrade process.

It has happened a couple of times since the initial upgrade process. It its 100%+ and when I notice it I quit out (command+q) of EN and then restart it again and it is normal cpu usage.

[Jorge M. 0]

Nevermind my last comment about Unassigned Tags filtering being missing. It's just at the top of the notes pane as opposed to where it used to be in the far left pane.

Awesome.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

I have had Atlas on since the upgrade to this beta version and I have no use for it whatsoever. I would like to go back and remove that location data from notes because I have a wildly sporadic location for notes that I've made here in the office.

I've seen that problem as well, and I don't know why. I have a recent note from Miami (nowhere near where I made the note), the middle of a major highway near my house (I don't remember making a note in the middle of the road), and somewhere in the woods near my workplace (am I sleepwalking through the woods at night making notes?). I'd like to blame iOS Maps for this, but really I have no idea where the source of the misinformation. It could have nothing to do with my Mac.

I won't go so far as to say the Atlas is useless, and I do not especially care what information metadata is applied to my notes, because I cannot see it. Assuming we get the location information sorted, it seems to me that the Atlas is a good feature for some people, not so much for others, but it doesn't cause any "harm" to have it in the UI.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

You can always disable Evernote's access to your location via your System Preferences and hide Atlas from your sidebar. Easy!

No, that is the lazy solution. People shouldn't have to go into system settings blocking the program for stuff like this. It should be a very clear option in the app itself.

Better yet, stop wasting development resources on location features that is usefull for 0.001% of the users.

I don't agree. What Jacko is describing is exactly how I would expect an app to perform. I control permissions at the System level (you just uncheck a box) and I am able to modify the default UI to meet my needs (adding / removing nabs from the sidebar). I wouldn't mind it if the permissions were set inside the app, but I don't really care, because it is pretty much the same amount of clicking /tapping: either the Apple icon or the app name. No big deal, right? IF we could not remove the Atlas, and IF we could not turn off the location data, then I'd be pretty annoyed.

As for use cases, I think there are a lot of them for location data. Personally, I don't make any use of it, for various reasons, but I wouldn't want to close off those use cases. I think it is great that Evernote is bringing an innovative and interesting default UI to us, and I think it is even better that they allow users to customize it as we like. We need more customization and options, in my opinion, but the default UI seems fine, and I expect with any app that I will have to modify it for my workflow.

[karenjs 35]

Oh, now that I've worked on it a big more: Trashing a note has become more complicated..

I can't find a way other than right-clicking on note in the snippet view list (which is the list view I use). My workflow involves trashing notes pretty often. (I use Evernote as a read-later kinda thing, and many of the notes just get read and trashed).

- I tried drag Trash notebook to shortcuts, but it wouldn't go

- Show Notebook List (right-clicking on the Notebook icon) doesn't have Trash

Very much not a fan of right-clicking to delete - on my MacBook Air, it requires two hands (ctrl-click) - oh the horror, right? - for something that's so frequently used.

If there something I'm just missing, let me know..I hunted around, but wasn't finding anything..

Thank you - still liking the new interface very much, on the whole!

[mrgoerend 89]

Pasting seems to add a line break after what's pasted in. So when I paste something, my cursor ends up on the next line. I think that's what's throwing off bullet points (with pasting) as well.

[David J Downs 2]

buckethead, you may be generating thumbnails. This should only happen temporarily during the initial upgrade process.

It has happened a couple of times since the initial upgrade process. It its 100%+ and when I notice it I quit out (command+q) of EN and then restart it again and it is normal cpu usage.

Yeah, it's not a thumbnail issue. Something is causing a grab of CPU cycles. From my Activity Monitor: Evernote, 229.8% CPU, 19 threads, 218.4 MB memory usage while idle. This happens every few hours, sending my MacBook Air fans into overdrive. I need to quit and restart Evernote to send CPU usage back to normal levels.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Hi All. Good news about the public beta being available

I found these release notes helpful:

Version 5.0.0 Public Beta 1 (11/01/2012) build 400447

Evernote 5 has been redesigned with over 100 new features including:

Left Sidebar

• Shortcuts: Drag notebooks, notes, and tags to the left pane for quick access
  
• Recent notes: Lets you quickly get back to notes from anywhere in Evernote
  
• Notebooks and Tags view: Organize your Evernote more efficiently
  

Browsing and Creating Notes

• Atlas: Browse your notes visually by geographic location
  
• Card and Snippet views: A better way to browse notes
  
• Scalable note editor: A more elegant way to create notes, both big and small
  
• Full-screen single note view: Excellent for composing notes without distractions
  
• Change a note's location: Type a place manually or click the compass arrow in note info
  
• Lots of keyboard shortcuts: Learn more on our What's New page
  
• Shared banner: Indicates how many people have access to content in shared notebooks
  
• Better simple and plain text handling: Simplify notes to remove complex formatting or convert them to plain text
  
• Indent text: Evernote for Mac now supports text indentation
  
• Notes created on the Mac are now tagged with location information for Atlas
  

Smarter Search

• Type ahead search: Completes your thoughts with suggestions from your account
  
• Search Personal and Joined notebooks: Search your entire account from one place
  
• Search options: Powerful new feature that lets you easily filter your search
  

Collaboration

• Better sharing: Notebooks and shared notebooks are all in one place
  
• Mountain Lion notifications: See Evernote activity in Notification Center
  
• Joined notebooks can be added to stacks
  

Other Improvements

• Lots of stability improvements
  
• Sync improvements: Faster, more reliable sync
  
• Explore Evernote: First launch experience that helps you get the most out of Evernote
  

[mlykke 7]

I don't agree. What Jacko is describing is exactly how I would expect an app to perform. I control permissions at the System level (you just uncheck a box) and I am able to modify the default UI to meet my needs (adding / removing nabs from the sidebar). I wouldn't mind it if the permissions were set inside the app, but I don't really care, because it is pretty much the same amount of clicking /tapping: either the Apple icon or the app name. No big deal, right? IF we could not remove the Atlas, and IF we could not turn off the location data, then I'd be pretty annoyed.

From a usability standpoint it's bad behaviour having to have the user set some options in the actual program and some at the system level. The system level is to really handle the low level stuff. Since it's a feature inside the app, then it makes sense to keep settings related to it inside the actual app.

As for use cases, I think there are a lot of them for location data. Personally, I don't make any use of it, for various reasons, but I wouldn't want to close off those use cases. I think it is great that Evernote is bringing an innovative and interesting default UI to us, and I think it is even better that they allow users to customize it as we like. We need more customization and options, in my opinion, but the default UI seems fine, and I expect with any app that I will have to modify it for my workflow.

I can think of a few use cases and nobody has explained more than a few of the obvious use cases(And all end up saying - "But I'm not gonna use it"). Please don't use the word innovative about this version... It is anything but innovative. It's adding some colors and giant icons to please the average joe, but instead of innovating it ends up actually hurting the app with a VERY VERY bad UI/UX design.

There is a ton of stuff in the app that is either missing or now requires multiple steps to complete... That is not innovation... That is just crappy UX design.

I dont care if they make the program pink and play a sing when i start the app... But i very much care about completely ruining the UX since itøs something I have to live with every day. And even the icons and the design that has been made looks very much out of place... To be honest, I've seen prototypes and "proof of concept" designs look more polished than this.

I'm sorry, I love Evernote(In it's current stable version although it could need a bit of focus in certain places), but having the program completely destroyed like this is not something to applaud or call innovative.

[mrgoerend 89]

Oh, now that I've worked on it a big more: Trashing a note has become more complicated..

I can't find a way other than right-clicking on note in the snippet view list (which is the list view I use). My workflow involves trashing notes pretty often. (I use Evernote as a read-later kinda thing, and many of the notes just get read and trashed).

- I tried drag Trash notebook to shortcuts, but it wouldn't go

- Show Notebook List (right-clicking on the Notebook icon) doesn't have Trash

Very much not a fan of right-clicking to delete - on my MacBook Air, it requires two hands (ctrl-click) - oh the horror, right? - for something that's so frequently used.

If there something I'm just missing, let me know..I hunted around, but wasn't finding anything..

Thank you - still liking the new interface very much, on the whole!

Just an FYI: you can right-click by clicking with two fingers on the trackpad on your Air.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

The app really seems to have come together nicely. Congratulations on an impressive overhaul of the app.

(1) Icons

- Looking good! I don't know how much like a trunk the trunk looks, but I like it better this way myself, so I say it is a keeper.

- The others are looking good as well, though I continue to feel more unity with perspective is needed for that notebook.

(2) Contrast

- I'd still like to see more with the focus notes. And, overall, there is a lot of gray on gray, which I think makes it difficult to distinguish words.

(3) Indent button

- I'd still like to see one in the edit bar, because I think users are unlikely to know about the great work you did adding it, but at least the function exists, so we are in good shape.

(4) Updated Notebooks

- Is this new? I like it.

(5) Fuzziness

- I have an MBA 11", so it could just be my poor eyes, or my poor resolution, but the highlighted note sorting looks fuzzy to me.

(6) Asian character advanced searches not working properly

- These don't seem to be working correctly, even with quotation marks. A search for notebook: with Asian characters, for example, doesn't work as it should.

[mrgoerend 89]

A couple of other things I've noticed:

• Deleting a note from my All Notes view by hitting delete on my keyboard doesn't alway move the note out of my All Notes view. It's still there but it says it's in the trash.
  
• When I'm in a notebook and I click "New note in [notebook title]" it creates the note but doesn't select the note. It should select the note and put my cursor either in the note's title or the body of the note.
  
• I like seeing the users and the notebook on a note in snippet view but it only shows for the currently selected note. I get why it may get cluttered to have that on every note in the list, but how about having that information show up when you hover over a note? That would be especially helpful in the All Notes list.
  
• I'd really like a button to click to open/close the sidebar (like on the web version) preferably at the top of the sidebar (as opposed to the bottom).
  
• Is there a keyboard shortcut to open the note info popup?
  
• I'd still really like to be able to close the sidebar and still access my shortcuts (like on 3.3.0) Something like this seems like it could work:
  

That's all for now. I really appreciate how often Jackolicious is jumping in here to say you all are taking note of our suggestions. Feels like we're being listened to.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

I don't agree. What Jacko is describing is exactly how I would expect an app to perform. I control permissions at the System level (you just uncheck a box) and I am able to modify the default UI to meet my needs (adding / removing nabs from the sidebar). I wouldn't mind it if the permissions were set inside the app, but I don't really care, because it is pretty much the same amount of clicking /tapping: either the Apple icon or the app name. No big deal, right? IF we could not remove the Atlas, and IF we could not turn off the location data, then I'd be pretty annoyed.

From a usability standpoint it's bad behaviour having to have the user set some options in the actual program and some at the system level. The system level is to really handle the low level stuff. Since it's a feature inside the app, then it makes sense to keep settings related to it inside the actual app.

Good point. I wonder, though, if this might have something to do with the app itself having (for example) the Helper icon in the main menu and also asking for location data (most apps don't). Apple might need that to be in the System menu. Just speculation here on my part.

I can think of a few use cases and nobody has explained more than a few of the obvious use cases(And all end up saying - "But I'm not gonna use it"). Please don't use the word innovative about this version... It is anything but innovative. It's adding some colors and giant icons to please the average joe, but instead of innovating it ends up actually hurting the app with a VERY VERY bad UI/UX design.

There is a ton of stuff in the app that is either missing or now requires multiple steps to complete... That is not innovation... That is just crappy UX design.

I dont care if they make the program pink and play a sing when i start the app... But i very much care about completely ruining the UX since itøs something I have to live with every day. And even the icons and the design that has been made looks very much out of place... To be honest, I've seen prototypes and "proof of concept" designs look more polished than this.

I'm sorry, I love Evernote(In it's current stable version although it could need a bit of focus in certain places), but having the program completely destroyed like this is not something to applaud or call innovative.

My use case and my own preferences make something like Notational Velocity more appealing. It seems to me that it has raised the combination of usability, functionality, and design elegance to a new level. But, I think it is probably likely that relatively few people know about NV or use it. A UI completely devoid of icons, and an app totally navigable without a mouse might be impossible in something as complex as Evernote, and maybe not even desirable for the average user (whoever they are).

Evernote is produced for a mass audience, and is aiming to gain millions of customers every year. I just don't think you can do that without some eye candy, and I also don't think you can do that without leaving open lots of avenues for different use cases. There are all kinds of things you could do with the location data, and the fact that I don't use it has more to do with my particular use case and all-around laziness than with the value of the feature in the app.

I think the question we have to ask is whether design elements and functions we don't especially like or need are a barrier to getting stuff done. In this case, I'd say "no." Five or six taps and you'll never see the Atlas again. I've removed all but one of the nabs on the left (the Notes nab teases me with an option to remove it that has been grayed out), and just use the sidebar for shortcuts myself. In other words, I've been able to completely customize the app to my needs. I'd call that good design, and the Shortcuts menu is innovative -- the only place anywhere on any client in which we can manually arrange our notes. I think that is pretty nifty, and clearly a brand new element never seen before in the app.

[mrgoerend 89]

Some feedback:

• When I click Notebooks or Tags in the Sidebar, the cursor should be in the "Find a notebook" or "Find a tag" search box so I can click Notebook and just start typing instead of clicking Notebook then clicking Find a notebook.
  
• There's not enough contrast between the text and the background in the Tags view (grey on grey). It's hard to read.
  
• Because I can access my Notebooks and Tags in a drop down at the top of my notes list, the Sidebar is really only valuable for Shortcuts. That being the case, having the sidebar on the side instead of across the top (as when it was the Favorites bar) is wasted screen space. I'd much rather my Shortcuts run across the top just below the toolbar. I hope this makes sense as it's frustrating on an 11" screen to have so much wasted space on my screen. Unless I'm missing something, it looks like what I thought would be the case when I first saw the video. Maybe the shortcuts can be a dropdown to the right of the sync satellite? Or next to the tags dropdown to the right of All Notes? Just somewhere that makes it so I can close the sidebar and still have access to my shortcuts.
  

Those are just my impressions. I'm glad you guys are always working to improve your product and for the most part, I think you are. As a premium customer, I'm happy to see so much continued improvement across all platforms.

[Baptiste 0]

Hi,

I can't wait trying this new version!

As I am using the Appstore version, can I uninstall it, reinstall the non-appstore version and tick the beta update option?

Will it work?

[tardis 87]

I'm having a problem with text being cut off on the right side in the note pane. It appears in both Card View and Snippet View. No matter how wide I make the note pane or if there's no horizontal scroll bar, it's still cut off. Fine in List View and when notes are opened in a separate window. Big issue when dealing with a lot of text.

OS X 10.8.2.

[Jackolicious 808]

GM, all noted.

mrgoerend, comments noted. In response to your first question, you can actually just start typing in Notebooks/Tags sidebar items and the filter notebooks/tags field will automatically start searching for you. Thanks for the support!

[halfbyte 0]

Here's another user with a non working Atlas and an endless progress bar (It says "Verbindung wird hergestellt..." which probably translates to "connecting..."). Adding a note with Geo data didn't fix as others suggested, generally Sync seems to work regardless of that bug)

Also, +1 to the translation problem report: "Shortcuts" is translated to "Tastenkombinationen" (in the sidebar) and "Tastaturkürzel" (in the popup menu of the sidebar) which both means "Keyboard Shortcuts". More appropriate might be something like "Schnellzugriff" (which would translate to "quick access"), since there is no good translation for "Shortcut" - The direct translation "Abkürzung" will be more confusing than helping, I guess.

Last Problem, also already reported by several people: Hitting CMD-N for creating a new note actually creates a new, empty note but doesn't jump to that note. I sincerely hope that this is not expected behaviour.

Apart from that I like where this is going!

[Metrodon 2,162]

With beta 1 I had the Location Services indicator in my toolbar constantly (I believe it appears if an application requests location data within 24 hours). Since installing beta 2 I haven't had the indicator appear at all.

I have created notes and they have location data in the note info.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

• Because I can access my Notebooks and Tags in a drop down at the top of my notes list, the Sidebar is really only valuable for Shortcuts. That being the case, having the sidebar on the side instead of across the top (as when it was the Favorites bar) is wasted screen space. I'd much rather my Shortcuts run across the top just below the toolbar. I hope this makes sense as it's frustrating on an 11" screen to have so much wasted space on my screen. Unless I'm missing something, it looks like what I thought would be the case when I first saw the video. Maybe the shortcuts can be a dropdown to the right of the sync satellite? Or next to the tags dropdown to the right of All Notes? Just somewhere that makes it so I can close the sidebar and still have access to my shortcuts.
  

Great feedback!

I am not entirely pleased with our top toolbar either, because I am someone who likes to customize stuff to my own workflow. In the case of the sidebar, I had similar feelings at first (MBA 11"), but I am coming around to it now. Right click on the nabs and you can see your notebook and tag lists displayed. That's nice.

And, the shortcuts menu is perhaps the only thing in all of Evernote that you can manually order. For me this makes it incredibly valuable, and justifies the left column. This is something that would be difficult to do well with the toolbar (I think) and it actually is nice to have the stuff I want to have in the order I want it right there all the time. I started out just keeping it closed (as I did with previous versions of the app), but now have it open all the time.

These are, of course, just my impressions I could never fit more than one or two favorites into the bar before, so didn't use it so much, but this I use every day now. My problem? The shortcuts aren't on iOS and I am missing them there!

[Chris Short 9]

Hi,

I can't wait trying this new version!

As I am using the Appstore version, can I uninstall it, reinstall the non-appstore version and tick the beta update option?

Will it work?

Yes, Baptiste, that is exactly what I did.

[davinian 0]

Is there, or will there be a way to disable the the locations/Atlas feature?

I can see it would be a useful feature, but I really don't want all my notes tagged with a location.

And even after saying No (do not allow) to the "allow Evernote to use my location", "locationd" still trys to connect to "mac-services.apple.com on TCP port 443 (https)" every time I click on a different note (I can see this as I use LittleSnitch).

OS X 10.6.8

[mrgoerend 89]

GM, all noted.

mrgoerend, comments noted. In response to your first question, you can actually just start typing in Notebooks/Tags sidebar items and the filter notebooks/tags field will automatically start searching for you. Thanks for the support!

Nice! You may want to put the cursor there anyway just so it's obvious.

[jry1100 0]

Another potential issue:

Plain text copy and paste.

If I convert a note to plain text (Make Plain Text from the Format); select the contents; and then copy and paste into TextEdit or another plain text editor, the lines are double spaced.

I know there were issues before with the format of line endings (windows/unix/mac) and copying and pasting, but I was hoping the make plain text option would correct this.

Overall, I really like the new version, but I'd also like a 3 column list view.

[dale 0]

Two minor bugs since I've been using the beta:

In Snippet View when you click the New Note in Collection button a new note is created but it doesn't come into view. (It seems that sometimes the new note comes into view but sometimes the new untitled note is simply put into the notebooks list of notes)

Secondly, in Snippet View it seems the default "Sort by" is in reverse alphabetical order. I prefer alphabetical, so when I change the setting it stays in alphabetical order until I close Evernote. Then when opened it reverts back to reverse alphabetical order.

[Chris Short 9]

I would implore you not to remove power user features just to make a lighter weight app. Evernote should make everyone from my 12 year old daughter happy to my sysadmin cohorts to the former Mac dealer to my parent's (if they'd ever learn to trust the interwebs).

[Annapolis 7]

Thoughtfull discussion and comments (thank you all). Like the others, I like several features and really love Evernote. It helps me in so many ways.

A couple of thoughts after using a couple hours:

Desire for user customization

The toolbar -

- old - Back/Forward buttons - critical when working internal links between notes

- old - trash can - speed

Color / Size contrasting

- people have different preferences ("Clearly" plug-in is a nice example, simple)

- For others it goes beyond preferences (ADA context) - vision/processing is directly influenced by color contrasts

Please bring back or allow customization:

- lost the ability to select a tag with control+clicl to delete, rename, sort

- lost ability to select and drag multiple notes to tag

- lost note counts in the sidebar for Notebooks and Tags

Again, MUCH THANKS!!!

[tboley 5]

German Translation of "Shortcuts" doesn`t fit. Pelase don`t call it "Tastenkombination", that sounds very bad. Just keep the english term, please.

Atlas doesn`t work. Evernote trys to sync, but fails - message is allways "trying to connect".

[Steve H. 2]

I installed the beta on my work Macbook first, then on my home iMac. After installing it on my Macbook, I went to town customizing the shortcuts bar. When I installed the beta later that night on my home iMac, my shortcuts did not show up.

Are these aspects of the app not syncing across Mac?

[rcherny 7]

Hey all,

Congrats on the new beta release. It's certainly a nicely done product. I could go on and on about the things that I like, so please don't take any of this the wrong way ...

• As a Beta, is this considered feature complete?
  

Mostly I'm wondering about things that might be missing ... that were there before.

For instance, being able to customize the toolbar, and things like the Back/Forward buttons -- I tend to use internal "note" links a lot, like a Wiki, so I rely on them a bit.

I'm hoping it's not because I'm stuck on Snow Leopard at the moment ... (work machine).

Other quick starter question ... typing in the Notebook view and the Command+J key to go to Notebooks is seriously cool -- is there any chance that will include searching by Stack names as well, or just Notebooks?

If I have a stack called "Projects" for instance, I'd sort of like to be able to search for that, especially given that the sidebar is the stripped down UI now.

Yes, I could show all the items in the sidebar as before, but I'm quite happy with filtering based on typing if I don't have to do too much clicking -- it's almost better. If you don't include it in the search, you're limiting users views of their content to only getting there a certain way.

Thanks again,

[soundsgoodtome 138]

So far, the beta's looking great. I successfully upgraded on two of my three machines, but on one (ironically, my primary machine), Evernote hung during the process of migrating notes to v5. Now, each attempt to compete migration fails. When I go back to v3.3, it takes quite a while for the app to "recover" and return to functionality, but twice, it has done so. Of course I'm then prompted to update, but when I do, migration hangs again (within v5).

NOTE: this machine has local notebooks containing data that is not stored on *any* other machine. So, I can't just toss all data and reload from the servers. (But I do have a time-machine backup.)

Please advise. Thanks.

[lpr 35]

One last thing: The tool bar really does not seem to need to be this thick , it could easily be half the thickness while keeping all the same features, there's a lot of wasted space there . I need to be able to search so I do not want to get rid of it all together but it could really be made smaller.

Maybe worth having a look at Sparrow for that, their minimal view has a really slick design and I am really happy to see evernote went that way too.

[steakpinball 0]

Nice work with the update. There is so much to like. One problem though. Place names in Atlas view seem to be somewhat off. They are mostly names of places nearby the notes except for one. That one is a place in a different state. This makes atlas view almost useless for me.

[Jackolicious 808]

Bugs noted until here.

Soundsgood, as always with local notebooks, it may be worthwhile to export them regularly and keep current backups.

[jrlindley 0]

The Beta looks promising, but there are definitely some things to work out.

In particular, the Saved Search function is clunky. I was freaking out about not having them in the sidebar--I'm glad you can drag them over. Why not also have a collapsable menu there like Tags or Notebooks?

There doesn't seem to be a way to change the names of saved searches any more. Once they are in a shortcut, all you can do is remove them from that area. And you can't right click on the search drop down and get any menu, nor is the completely buried Find > Save Search (Thanks Jackolicious, brought my BP back to save levels) doesn't appear to have any renaming options.

I use a GTD system that relies on saved searches combining notebooks/tags, so I have a ton of them. Saving them to my shortcuts now means there's no more room on the Sidebar for much else. If Shortcuts could be sectioned, and those sections collapsable, or, likely a better option, the return of a Saved Search category on the sidebar as a user option, my life would be easier.

A recent tags feature, or the ability to save frequently used tags to the sidebar would also be a time saver.

Generally, I like the improvements otherwise. Thanks!

[Jorge M. 0]

There is no software update menu in the desktop version of preferences.

How can I actually DL V5?

If you obtained your version of Evernote through the Appstore, then you cannot download the beta of version 5 yet.

[Ruslan 3]

Pressing cmd+n to create a new note should also focus the note so I can start editing right away. As of now, after I create a new note I have to go over and click it before I can do anything which seems like a waste of time.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Search hijacking

- When I am typing in a search, at some point the incremental search will decide it is done and throw me out of the search into the notes, and my Mac starts making noises because I am still typing, but it is not able to accept the input. I am trying to figure out when and why this is happening. It is definitely not consistent.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Connecting...

Always connecting. I have reported this since the first beta, and sometimes it goes away, but it always comes back! I thought it was because of location data missing, but I have location data for a few notes, so it isn't that.

[Jackolicious 808]

As always, thanks for the comments. Great stuff here! We are definitely listening and *always* read this forum. We don't have time to respond to everyone but we value the input and consider every suggestion.

Karen,

- good suggestion about dragging the trash to shortcuts

- you can delete a note by clicking on it and using the delete key on your keyboard

mrg,

- trash behavior, good catch. strange bug!

- new note focus, aware and working on it

- keyboard shortcut for note info, working on it!

- close the sidebar and see shortcuts, you can use keyboard shortcuts for them right now cmd-(1-9)

halfbyte,

- translation in german definitely needs fixing

- note focus, good catch. working on it.

- atlas connecting issue, thanks for reporting!

annapolis

- dragging multiple notes to a tag, you can do this with shortcuts

Steve,

- shortcuts aren't syncing right now

jrlindeley,

- you can definitely drag tags into the sidebar's shortcuts. enjoy!

Thanks again all!

[mrgoerend 89]

Can we get a "jump to tag" like command+J for jump to Notebook? That would make my day.

[dconvery 0]

I would love to see forward and back buttons in the toolbar. I was just surfing around after upgrading and had to keep jumping farther back than I really wanted to do.

[tenoch 1]

Evernote trys to sync, but fails - message is allways "trying to connect".

Same issue here

UPDATE:

it seems that even if it shows "trying to connect", actually it works fine.

2012-11-01 22:15:17 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Contacting Evernote server...
2012-11-01 22:15:17 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO:   current update count: 117632
2012-11-01 22:15:17 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO:   session count: 1
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Upload used from server: 653420
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Nothing to pull down from server.
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Uploading changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sending tag changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sending search changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sending notebook changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sending note changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Syncing note: <no guid> 'Prueba'
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sending linked notebook changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Syncing content of linked notebooks...
2012-11-01 22:15:20 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sync complete.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Evernote trys to sync, but fails - message is allways "trying to connect".

Same issue here

UPDATE:

it seems that even if it shows "trying to connect", actually it works fine.

2012-11-01 22:15:17 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Contacting Evernote server...
2012-11-01 22:15:17 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: current update count: 117632
2012-11-01 22:15:17 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: session count: 1
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Upload used from server: 653420
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Nothing to pull down from server.
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Uploading changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sending tag changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sending search changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sending notebook changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sending note changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Syncing note: <no guid> 'Prueba'
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sending linked notebook changes...
2012-11-01 22:15:19 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Syncing content of linked notebooks...
2012-11-01 22:15:20 sync [ENSyncEngine] INFO: Sync complete.

The fix is simple. Just give a note a place name of some sort. If one note has a place, then the connection issue will stop.

[pgdahl 133]

Haven't played much around with it yet, since it keeps crashing (but them's the betas, innit?). But I immediately discovered to eye sores that needs fixing.

First: We need to be able to remove this horror from the toolbar:

I hated the icon and what it does from day 1. Before I could make a vanishing act with it and move on, now, alas ... Well, at least this obnoxity (is a word now) can be disabled in notification center; let's hope this disease does not spread further.

And do something about this:

Give us an option to make it vanish from our sight entirely. Or at least change the wording to something that makes sense - took me a few minutes to realise that there's nothing wrong with the connection and that it's not constantly trying to connect. Very misleading UI there.

Edit: I don't know where the screenshots went. They just vanished out of my Skitch account ...

[cjdeheer 20]

Overall, I do like the new design. Some things I'm sure I'll come to love as I get used to them, but might take some time.

My initial observations include:

-There's no visual cue in the sidebar which notebook you're in. I realize it says it across the top of the notes list, but I'd like it to be reflected in the sidebar. When you click on Notes/Notebooks/Tags, the text becomes white and stays that way. But when you click on an individual notebook or tag, it's only white while clicking and then it returns to the default color.

-Same problem with tags. When I command-click multiple tags, it seems to correctly select notes with those tags, but there's no cue in the sidebar which tags are selected.

-Whenever I toggle between hiding and showing the notebook list, the stacks all become expanded. That's crazy making. I have several stacks, and I liked how Evernote used to remember which ones were expanded, and which were collapsed.

-I liked how Evernote used to allow you to set a height for the notebook list and the tag list in the sidebar. I use special characters to sort important stacks/notebooks to the top, and I don't want to see the other notebooks since it means pushing the tabs out of view.

-The icons in the sidebar are way to big, in my opinion. The Notes item (which I preferred when it was just a notebook called All Notebooks) plus the Notebooks item take up a full inch of vertical space. Way too much.

-When I command-click on two tags, the tag dropdown above the notes list only shows the most recently clicked tag when I click on the triangle, even though two tags are selected. Actually, I can only surmise that the two tags are selected by reviewing the notes themselves. There's no visual feedback whatsoever for which tags are selected.

-I like the shortcuts list in the sidebar, rather than across the top. You can only fit so many items horizontally, but vertically, it's very flexible.

-I wish it would allow me to click a notebook, and then while in that notebook, select a tag (or command-click multiple tags) without leaving the notebook. Any time I select a tag to view, it assumes I want to search all notebooks. I suppose the only way to select for notes with a particular tag in a particular notebook is to type out a compound search in the search field? (e.g., notebook:receipts tag:october tag:2012)

-I wish I could expand/collapse the Notebooks and Tags list in the sidebar without right-clicking.

-I +1 the comment someone else made about the gray-on-gray in the Tags list. However, I do like how when you click on one tag, other tags that are assigned to any of the currently matching notes become highlighted. Very cool.

-I find the light gray type on the dark gray background in the sidebar a little difficult to read. And the distinction between the gray behind the selected item in the sidebar (e.g., Notebooks) and the surrounding gray is barely visible at all. I had to look closely to see if there even is a difference.

-I *really* don't like that in Snippet view, the name of the notebook only appears on the selected note's snippet. If you're looking at notes that aren't selected, there's no visual cue what notebook each note is in.

-Recent Notes seems buggy to me. Sometimes it adds notes I edited/viewed, and sometimes it doesn't.

-The list of saved searches (which as far as I can tell is only accessible when you click in the search field AND begin typing; before you begin typing, it's still hidden) needs more ways to access. I'd like to see a list of saved searches in the sidebar (like before).

-I like how when you invoke a saved search, the search parameters appear in the search bar, and can be edited.

-I *love* type ahead. Definitely my favorite new feature. I used to hate how it would hang after typing a few characters in the search field. Type ahead is snappy.

[hughjc 19]

Steve,

- shortcuts aren't syncing right now

...

Thanks again all!

I hope if you change this in the future that you make it an option to sync or not. I realized that my shortcuts on my MBR were solely work/project based whereas on my home iMac I set up different shortcuts for what I work on at home.

Hugh

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

Hey all,

Congrats on the new beta release. It's certainly a nicely done product. I could go on and on about the things that I like, so please don't take any of this the wrong way ...

• As a Beta, is this considered feature complete?
  

Mostly I'm wondering about things that might be missing ... that were there before.

For instance, being able to customize the toolbar, and things like the Back/Forward buttons -- I tend to use internal "note" links a lot, like a Wiki, so I rely on them a bit.

I'm hoping it's not because I'm stuck on Snow Leopard at the moment ... (work machine).

Other quick starter question ... typing in the Notebook view and the Command+J key to go to Notebooks is seriously cool -- is there any chance that will include searching by Stack names as well, or just Notebooks?

If I have a stack called "Projects" for instance, I'd sort of like to be able to search for that, especially given that the sidebar is the stripped down UI now.

Yes, I could show all the items in the sidebar as before, but I'm quite happy with filtering based on typing if I don't have to do too much clicking -- it's almost better. If you don't include it in the search, you're limiting users views of their content to only getting there a certain way.

Thanks again,

I also miss the forward / backward buttons and the customizability of the toolbar. Hopefully, that will come back. Mountain Lion (in this respect) ought to look the same as Snow Leopard.

[cjdeheer 20]

Can we get a "jump to tag" like command+J for jump to Notebook? That would make my day.

I second this request.

[atomsforpeace 2]

Thanks to the Evernote team for making this beta available to us and for striving to improve the app. A couple things I've noticed with the v5 beta:

1. The text in Snippet View is hard to read. It's mainly due to the gray background providing less contrast with the text. I'd suggesting adding a lighter color drop shadow and/or lightening up the background. Also, I find the green date/tags distracting.

2. As nice as the new sidebar is, I like having it hidden to give me more space. I found the horizontal favorites bar in v4 to be a great use of space, so I suggest adding the option to display Shortcuts as a horizontal toolbar when the sidebar is hidden.

3. The keyboard shortcut for displaying a note's info seems to be gone. I used this often to edit Source URL, etc.

4. I'd really love a line spacing formatting option. I find that bullet/numbered list lines are crammed together. At least add more space between list lines please.

5. The new note pane with the gray background and white note floating on top does highlight the note better, but I find that the gray background makes the formatting toolbar very hard to read due to lack of contrast. Plus, the floating white rectangle effect makes everything look cramped due to the new margins. I'd appreciate the option to use v4's all-white, full-width layout.

Thanks again!

-Chris

[tenoch 1]

The fix is simple. Just give a note a place name of some sort. If one note has a place, then the connection issue will stop.

Do I have to do it with every note? Because the test note had a place, but that didn't fix the issue.

[CEB 4]

mcdonna-

yes there is a relatively easy way to "downgrade" back to to the stable version you were using. At least that is what I was able to do and did. Evernote should have an easy to find link to the instructions but I don't think they do. I had to get the instructions from the technical support. ONe caution thought is that they do not give you a choke of WHICH version of evernote you download after you delete the flawed version 5.0.0. At any time they could probably change it so you cannot go back. I don't think Evernote developers appreciate how much of an investment a user makes in getting to know how to use their software. Perhaps unfair to single out Evernote. Apple, Microsoft and others are guilty of the same thing. For an unimportant bit of software that you don't use much it does not matter. But Evernote has managed to create a piece of software that has become "mission critical" for many of its users. Along with that comes an obligation to respect how users come to depend on it. Evernote treats each each revision as automatically all better. But they also have REMOVED key features in version 5 without telling users. There was a feature whereby you could be notified of beta versions. I said ok to that because at the time I had not seen Evernote abuse its users by putting out clearly bad software. Now I know better and will try to change that setting. It reminds me of my recent experience in the northeast with power outages (out 9 days). When Tommy Edison and his buddies introduced electricity it was a nice new optional feature. And putting the power lines above ground where the trees could fall on them was a neat idea because it was cheaper and faster. Fast forward a century or so and it looks like a big mistake. Now electricity is pretty much a necessity. Con-Ed gets a lot of grief for acting like it is just a nice extra new thing. Such is Evernote's situation. If you are going to get a monopoly-style position providing customers with a mission-critical service, you are asking for a massive blow back when anything goes wrong.

[GrumpyMonkey 4,314]

The fix is simple. Just give a note a place name of some sort. If one note has a place, then the connection issue will stop.

Do I have to do it with every note? Because the test note had a place, but that didn't fix the issue.

Not in my case. One note was enough to generate images in the Atlas view and stop the Connecting error.

[soundsgoodtome 138]

Bugs noted until here.

Soundsgood, as always with local notebooks, it may be worthwhile to export them regularly and keep current backups.

Thanks.

1. Any suggestions for getting the migration to v5 to work on the affected machine? (Trashing prefs didn't do it.)

2. Will exported local notes retain their creation and modification dates?

[mcdonna 7]

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One thing i really like about the new version is the edit window of the notes but most everything else seems to be more focussed on looking nice than actually being functional. Most stuff seems to be a step backwards. The notebook icons are HUGE and waste an insane amount of screen space, the atlas function seems to have been a complete waste of resources to develop, the large thumbnail display of notes is another example of something that wastes insane amounts of screen space without providing any benefit,

I just obeyed the upgrade recommendation and am SICK about the changes. I have notebooks for each of my clients and instead of the compact list I now have huge chunky icons. It slows my operation. Can I back out of this?

[slyfoxen 3]

Please add a keyboard shortcut and maybe an icon to delete an individual note when it is open in a separate note window.

[mcdonna 7]

@CEB we produced a very nice video explaining What's New in Evernote 5 - here is the link http://evernote.com/.../whats_new/mac/

I don't have time to watch videos! Why didn't you warn me before I upgraded?

[yikeouch 23]

bug report:

Evernote become very slow (near freezing) when I select the "tags" on the sidebar.

Every time.

[Jackolicious 808]

Nightstalker

- Atlas only processes notes on the first ever launch of EN v5. If you disable location permissions to the app, it won't slow down your app.

- Dragging tags to notes is coming

Metrodon

- The location helper only appears when it's needed in the latest beta.

CEB

- We emailed every Evernote desktop user a link to this page ahead of the beta: http://evernote.com/evernote/whats_new/mac/ Also, v5 is currently in beta.