Support Right to Left (RTL) direction

[mostafa 32]

hi

it would be quite nice to support right to left writing direction for languages such as Hebrew, Arabic and Persian.

it is really hard to write and read when writing in left to right in those languages.

thanks.

[evought 1]

For what it is worth, I am currently a Premium User and have been either Plus or Premium for some time. The Evernote folks should know that this is STILL an issue. I will talk a little about use cases and maybe some alternatives for making support easier.

Many people learning a Semitic language (including Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, etc) need to write notes, vocabulary,  add glosses (short definitions) to text, or record references (like the gentlemen in this thread with Strong's concordance numbers (LTR) intersperesed with RTL text, Syriac was it?). This is also clearly going to be true of anyone doing original language Bible or Koran study. It is currently true of researchers studying ME terrorism, the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, or other similar issues. Evernote, in some ways, is a perfect tool to organize, index, and search that kind of thing. As it turns out, I do all three of these things and I am building up a good amount of mixed-language notes. Almost all of my paper notebooks on language studies, Bible Studies, and Terrorism research have moved to electronic text, either typed or hand-written with a stylus.

Evernote seems to have little problem indexing text and tags in multiple languages (other than some issues searching and matching pointed text--- but we'll talk about that another day ;-) ). Actually ENTERING the text in EverNote, at least on Android (5, 6, and 7) is a *royal* pain in the rear. Much of the time, I end up putting the tablet down in frustration, syncing over to NixNote on Linux, fixing the text, and syncing back. NixNote's RTL support is *not* perfect either, but it is MUCH more reliable than the Android app.

Here is some detail on things I try to do (cut and paste from my notebooks), numbered for reference, then I'll talk a little about ways Evernote might either improve OR *avoid* the issues.

[1] Language exercises:

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Translate Hebrew To English:

1. אַתָה הוּא הֳֽאֱלֹהִים וַאֲנַ֫חְנוּ עַמְךָ בְּנֵי־בְרִיתָֽךָ
   • Thou art the God and we your people, sons of your covenant.
2. שָׁלַח מֹשֶׂה מְרַגְלִים אֶת־אֶ֫רֶץ כְּנַ֫עַן וְהָֽאֲנָשִׁים הָיוּ אַנְשֵׁי־שׁם, רְאֹשֵׁי־יִשְׂרָאֵל
   • Moses sent out spies into the land of Canaan, and the men were men-of-name, chiefs among the Israelites.

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(You may see boxes where some of the characters don't display properly in your font: that isn't a problem in the app.) You've got alternating RTL and LTR text on different lines.

[2] Vocabulary

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כְּנַ֫עַן - Canaan
מְרַגֵּל - spy
לֶ֫חֶם - bread

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[3] Mixed language notes

This is closely related to the Arabic practice of mubahlaga ("مُبالَغة": the "ah" is an 'a' as in 'father' and the 'g' is an aspirated sound like in "gomorah"), which is more or less a habitual practice of excessive, almost fantastic exaggeration. There are a few reasons why this practice happens, but...

[4] Definitions

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אניה: 'onîyâh

1. Ship
   1. Men of ships, seamen [BDB ]

From H590

 

Strong's Definition: Feminine of H590; a ship: - ship ([-men]). 

 

יונה/Jonah 1:3 & 4

 

Q: Why is seamen feminine?

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With #2 you've got mixed LTR and RTL text on the same lines, often separated by punctuation. This could be RTL terms with LTR definitions or vice-versa. With #3 and #4, you have mixed free-form text which may suddenly contain text in the reverse definition. Notice that in the definition of oniyah above I have Hebrew, English, phonetics, links, and keywords all tied together. I can type the characters very easily by switching software keyboards and, in theory, have it all neatly indexed in Evernote. I can even attach hand-writing to add Ancient Hebrew pictograms (I haven't figured out how to type those yet!) all neatly packaged.

What Goes Wrong:

When entering the text, cursor handling becomes totally bizarre. In the best of programs, it can be confusing to move the cursor in and out of the runs of bi-directional text and keep track of where you are (do you move the cursor logically such that the forward arrow takes you to the next logical letter in the sequence, or does the right arrow always move one space right and the left arrow one space left? Evernote doesn't even try. It leaves the cursor in one place and the next character typed goes wherever it feels like. If the cursor is at the end of the line, RTL text is added at the beginning; if I put the cursor at the beginning of the line, text is entered at the end! Using the arrows to move through the text (say, on a bluetooth keyboard) is an exercise in frustration. With either the software keyboard (say Hebrew Nikud Icon-Me or Multi-Ling O Keyboard) or a hardware keyboard, it often forgets where it is and just starts adding new text at the end of the line but a Backspace then deletes in the other direction! This is especially true when pointing (add in vowel marks and accents) in Hebrew or Arabic. The app sometimes loses its mind in this case and starts creating total gobbledy-*****. I have to then select the block of text, delete it, and retype. Sometimes just selecting the most recent RTL character and retyping that seems to let the app figure itself out, but that leads me to the next issue:

Selecting bidirectional text is completely nightmarish. When I sweep out a block of text with finger, mouse, arrow-keys, or stylus, it highlights a more or less arbitrary run of text with the selection handles in completely meaningless positions. I then flail at things randomly until it decides to select the right letter. Moving a handle up, down, right, or left changes the selection in some unrelated fashion. This is often where I give up and go to NixNote or type the text in something else and paste it in. The text above with יונה/Jonah in English and Hebrew was one of those spots I fiddled with for a good while in the app before giving up but it only took me a second or two in this web form, including the time to switch keyboard modes. I often have to type a reference like that in both languages so **either will hit on a search.** With text selection broken, not only is it hard to enter text, it is almost impossible to even fix the problems the app causes.

For the most part, ONCE I GET THE TEXT ENTERED, it looks fine on Android, the web app, and NixNote (given appropriate choice of fonts), so somewhere the Unicode must be handled correctly by your back end. I suspect your back end doesn't really care, which is good and the way it should work.

Other approaches:

Doing bidirectional text right is hard. (I am a retired programmer, believe me, I know!) and sometimes broken APIs underneath make it *really* hard. But, there are also some ways to cheat which might make some of these folks (like me) happ[y/ier]. I am happy with cheating if it gets the problem fixed and reduces my frustration level.

A. Be able to add equivalent search terms. If I can file somewhere that when I search for Jonah, I want to find references to יונה as well, then I don't have to write both terms as often like I did in #4. If I only need to write one term (and I don't care which, mostly), then I have less mixed text and both of us have less frustration. It's less to go wrong. This also would fix problems with searching pointed text by accident (e.g. מלך and מֶ֫לֶךְ don't currently match in your searches, one with and one without vowel-pointing. Strictly speaking, they should search equivalent, just like King and king, but if I can work around it... I really don't care.) This is also VERY important in researching ME history and events anyway as the same name, say of a historical figure, can be transliterated 8 different ways in 8 different articles.

B. Be able to either split LTR and RTR into multiple columns or C. simple tables. When I do vocabulary lists like #2 or translations like #1, it could be split into columns. In fact, when I do it on paper, I use reversed legal paper with a very wide margin on the right. I write RTL in the main body and LTR in the wide margin. With Greek, I use regular legal paper with the wide margin on the left. You could make the same thing easy to do in software and people would have to mix text less often. I have also done them as simple tables in NixNote (Don't seem to be able to in the Android app) which puts the LTR and RTR text in separate boxes: Hebrew/Arabic terms go in one column, English glosses in the other. Again, less mixed text, less problems. Either solution would have side-benefits for non-bidirectional users. Lots of folks take class notes in columns and that's why they make legal pads with those wide margins in the first place.

Really the only thing left then is #2, free-form mixed-language text suddenly switching directions. If it comes down to that and I have to type it in another app and paste it in, sure, that would still be frustrating, but MUCH less so. As it is, however, since I bang into this problem all the time, I am seriously thinking of giving OneNote a try. I'd rather leave my data where it is and just have the problem go away.

 

[palinapol 0]

Hello there!
Unfortunately there is no support in Middle east language - Hebrew,Arabic, which is a bit frustrating since the notes look a bit mess - or it require you to write English only - which sometimes not the best idea because the mother tongues are different... Middle east are usually written from right to left, so it could be great if you add this to the very coming future list of tasks  

[Yehuda 1]

I noticed that if I write RTL a paragraph in Hebrew in Microsoft Word,  and than copy paste, I am able to go on in Evernote.
Yet Evernote should do someting.

Israelis, Arabs and Iranians are not going to upgrade to the full version, and are not a small market...

[Karizmo 0]

It is really a pity that this issue isn't resolved until now !!!

Should we still give 5 stars or lower our evaluation until this issue is resolved ???

[adame jadid 0]

We are pretty close to end of 2017 and still no news

[Karizmo 0]

On 3/13/2017 at 7:12 PM, Amir All said:

So here is a Medium essay I wrote on the matter

How Evernote is solving The Middle East’s conflict

I suggest the evernote team takes over the Middle East crisis, and they will sure to unite all the Semitic peoples together like they already did with simply dropping RTL support.

[Adpk 0]

Hi

RTL language still doesn't work properly. 

Do you have any plans to fix this issue? 

Please update so that users can look for alternatives in case you have no plans to provide proper editing of RTL languages. 

I'm writing this because one thread from 2016 ended up without solution and this problem is still not resolved after one and a half year. 

[Karizmo 0]

I'm afraid that the team at evernote declared mutiny on board, this is why they are not able to correct this bug or rhinoceros that they introduced into their code in 2016. 

Will the mutiny end before the end of this year? It remains to be seen ...

I will stay tuned for the sequel!!!

 

 لو سمحتم يا جماعة إفرنوت، أخبرونا عن المستجدات بهذا الشأن، فقد نفكر بوضع البرنامج ضمن الوصية ...

وشكرا جزيلا على الإهتمام الفائق.

[JohnBow1 0]

You can use Laverna, it's open source.

https://laverna.cc/

It's amazing that still, no RTL support.

[lancerm 0]

I write in Persian but Evernote does not support such typing. Please fix this and update me as soon as this has been done

[RobertCCastel 0]

The same problem.

 

[OhadGalor 0]

A company this big should be ashamed.

Issue open for 2 years. That must be a record. 

[Amir All 14]

Hello. 

Imagin you want to write a note and suddenly, the text is acting weird all of the sudden: A word ends up at the end of the sentence, the rest of the sentence after that word. After a couple of that incident, your input is rendered unreadable. 

So. This is how the middle eastern, are experiencing @EverNote right now. Being one of those middle eastern, I find it unbearable to use Evernote. There already have been topics on this matter, and they have been ignored. 

I would love it if Evernote team reconsiders this important and vital feature. 

Thank you. 

[Amir All 14]

I'm still talking with support to bring attention to this issue. 

Please support by reaching out and asking for RTL-support, once again.

[Guest damafo26]

 I see that Evernote doesn't support Farsi language (also called Parsi or Persian) as well as enough. One of the problems that I can tell the community now is this:

Android app and web app (I don't know about the others) show every text which is typed in Farsi in a wrong order and also it's hard to be edited because this problem is not just about showing; In Evernote web app it's very hard to remove characters, select words, copy, and etc. 

You should add an option to switch left-to-right and right-to-left order. Pay attention: You should add it for showing and editing both.

[kmirza1 0]

Yes, very important to add Arabic support

[LL2525 12]

Am I dreaming...??? After all these years has Evernote finally added RTL support (Right-to-Left direction) for their "Evernote for Windows" ?

For the first time,  I've just succeeded creating a RTL Hebrew note without the need to use any workarounds.

For RTL note (Hebrew for example):
(make sure your EN/HE keyboard is on HE)

- New Note (or ctrl-N) to create a new note
- Enter the title
- Press the RIGHT cltrl-shift of the keyboard
- Start typing.

I haven't yet fully tested it but it seems to work well.
No issues with punctuation marks, numbers and adding English text.

My Evernote version is now 6.10 . Can someone with 6.11 please confirm that 6.11 also supports RTL (because there's no mention of it  in the changelog) ?

And Finally, if the functionality is really OK, can someone (@gazumped maybe ?) please ask the Evernote developers to add 2 direction buttons (RTL & LTR) to the Customize Toolbar window.

Win 7 x64
Evernote 6.10.3.6921 (306921) Public (CE Build ce-1.39.4387)

[LL2525 12]

They finally added it !!     See my new post here -

 

[Dave-in-Decatur 1,391]

Thanks for the notification! I see that this applies to the Windows program. Do you know whether it's working in Android yet?

[gazumped 7,712]

@LL2525 Hi.  I don't have any special powers around here,  but you could post a request for extra RTL buttons in the Feedback forums,  or via https://www.evernote.com/SupportLogin.action if you're a subscriber,  Twitter - https://twitter.com/evernotehelps if not.   I do use 6.11 and I'm sorry that using your listing above I can't produce RTL text.  Maybe there's a setting I'm missing...

[Tasneem J 0]

8 hours ago, LL2525 said:

Am I dreaming...??? After all these years has Evernote finally added RTL support (Right-to-Left direction) for their "Evernote for Windows" ?

For the first time,  I've just succeeded creating a RTL Hebrew note without the need to use any workarounds.

For RTL note (Hebrew for example):
(make sure your EN/HE keyboard is on HE)

- New Note (or ctrl-N) to create a new note
- Enter the title
- Press the RIGHT cltrl-shift of the keyboard
- Start typing.

I haven't yet fully tested it but it seems to work well.
No issues with punctuation marks, numbers and adding English text.

My Evernote version is now 6.10 . Can someone with 6.11 please confirm that 6.11 also supports RTL (because there's no mention of it  in the changelog) ?

And Finally, if the functionality is really OK, can someone (@gazumped maybe ?) please ask the Evernote developers to add 2 direction buttons (RTL & LTR) to the Customize Toolbar window.

Win 7 x64
Evernote 6.10.3.6921 (306921) Public (CE Build ce-1.39.4387)

Hello

I just installed the latest version on windows 10 laptop, and am happy to say that using the above method, I can type in RTL. 

thanks

[LL2525 12]

@Dave-in-Decatur Hi, I run the same Evernote Android app v. 7.17.1 on Samsung Galaxy s5. Still No RTL support for me either.

Until RTL support is added to the mobile app I'll keep using my workaround : I keep an "almost empty" RTL note template and whenever I need to create a new RTL note, I just tap the "duplicate" (from the 3 dots menu) , rename the title and start typing in RTL.

Now that Evernote for Windows started to support RTL it is obviously easier to create the template (create it in Evernote for Windows and it will be synced to the mobile app).

[LL2525 12]

21 hours ago, gazumped said:

.   I do use 6.11 and I'm sorry that using your listing above I can't produce RTL text.  Maybe there's a setting I'm missing...

I just updated to 6.11. from 6.10. The right-ctrl-shift still works . These are my "note" settings (I don't think I changed many of the defaults). If you want you can try testing again with them.

Win 7 x64 , Evernote 6.11

[gazumped 7,712]

@LL2525 Thanks for the assist,  but your settings look the same as mine:  don't know what I'm doing wrong,  but as long as this works for users that need it I'm happy! 

[nimrodm 0]

this is a real disadvantage of evernote,  is this going to be solved in future versions?

it is also not possible to write Hebrew & English together in the same sentence .

an example:

רשימת משימות:
1.ללכת לסופר 
2. לקנות 5 עגבניות
3.להתקשר ל david cohen 
4. לקרוא את הספר החדש של jhon grisham 

 

[Rivka 0]

 

Shalom!

I have downloaded your application and enjoy using it.

If I may ask, there is a feature that can be very helpful: a correct right to left languages text representing.

When I write in Hebrew, for example, the text alignment is left, and the cursor stays anyway on the right side of the row.

When I read a ready note in Hebrew, the text alignment is also left.

This problem makes writing/reading in right to left languages really difficult.

It will be great if you could work up this function. It could enable much more people enjoying your app.

Thank you for developing this comfortable application! It is really helpful.

[vahidahmad 0]

I'm using latest version 6.11.2.7027  ,   and tried all suggestions and workarounds with no chance!   

[LL2525 12]

@vahidahmad,have you tried the latest suggestion (It works for me on Win7 x64. I have the same evernote 6.11.2.7027 like you) ? Which windows version do you have ?

On 4/10/2018 at 8:08 PM, LL2525 said:

For RTL note (Hebrew for example):

(make sure your EN/HE keyboard is on HE)

- New Note (or ctrl-N) to create a new note
- Enter the title
- Press the RIGHT-cltrl-shift of the keyboard
- Start typing.

 

[Boaz D 0]

4 Years and no real BIDI to your product. This actually not acceptable. No road map, total ignore from LTR users

 

[danny.hecht@gmail.com 0]

Same Problem

[kaliunis 1]

I use EverNote for journals on my Social Media Audiences. Hindi is important for part of this. I type Hindi in EverNote...use Engish or other European Languages or Sino-Nipon-Korean group languages to milestone items paragraphs etc and, because EverNote does note accept Hindi Titles, the same languages for titles.

Maybe India is in a comfortable position to make an adequate bursary to EverNote Development to put Hindi on the EverNote Map.

Paper DropBox accepts Devanagari but minus the power of EverNote Categories and other choice goodies.

 

Let's see.

[ArielR. 0]

 

I second it's very disappointing, and as a result, I'm considering a purchase for me and my team other solutions out there that support it.

 

[aprilpearls 0]

I request to hear a valid reasoning why Evernote is refusing to add Arabic as a language despite the amount of users between Arabs and the ranking of the Arab language as a language used by millions around the world . It is been years .. your forum is full of requests and people supporting them. Is there a hint of arrogance in your attitude not to even respond to their requests ? 

[HAMEDHASHEMI 0]

I just gave up and sent them a goodbye tweet: 

"@evernote I’ve eventually decided to stop using Evernote & cancel my subscription. Evernote developers seem determined to ignore users’ demand to support Right-to-Left languages -for YEARS- I’ve been an optimist and loyal user for a long time. It’s time to go."

 

[ghalibmeer 5]

Yeah,,, using it for very few things now

[M.T 1]

2018 and the problem is still there in Arabic and Hebrew!!!

This is something that has been figured out maybe 15 years ago, and they still can't fix it!

This is ridiculous

Evernote has turned into a joke.

[Mishkafofer 5]

Join the line.

I sent a request few years ago for RTL support. I got very supportive message but that about all.

Its not like Hebrew is the only freak language with Right to Left direction, what about Arabic? 

In the meantime I am making Lemonade by forcing myself to write in English. I sure need a practice.

[Shaulian 1]

This is part of the reason I stopped being a paying user. There are other more Hebrew friendly apps.

[itwocir@gmail.com 1]

In the name of God

hi

try Ctrl + Shift ( right hand shift ) for type right to left

and

try Ctrl + Shift ( left hand shift ) for type left to right

thanks

Hope to God

[Hadi7666 0]

Despite the love of evernot I have to replace it with other app. After six years, a small bug does not fix ... it's best to be replaced

[ashmid 0]

Yes! As a premium user, I anxiously await RTL support.

[Maryamh 0]

On 2/15/2018 at 8:20 PM, Amir All said:

Hello. 

Imagin you want to write a note and suddenly, the text is acting weird all of the sudden: A word ends up at the end of the sentence, the rest of the sentence after that word. After a couple of that incident, your input is rendered unreadable. 

So. This is how the middle eastern, are experiencing @EverNote right now. Being one of those middle eastern, I find it unbearable to use Evernote. There already have been topics on this matter, and they have been ignored. 

I would love it if Evernote team reconsiders this important and vital feature. 

Thank you. 

1

It's an extremely vital feature for RTL languages, many people are asking for it and still nothing. pleas reprioritize it!! 

It so annoying!!! every time I need to write in google docs and then copy past it back to Evernote hoping it's still fine!  

[pomichali 0]

I'm writing in Hebrew and Evernote doesn't support it' making it really inconvenient and not enjoyable to make notes, making me use it in much less opportunities that I would/could otherwise... Please give us that option...

[Tzahi 0]

Hi, any news? @EverNote

[PavelM 0]

Missing such a functionality for so long... Maybe Evernote team is antisemitic ??? For my RTL business needs I simply use OneNote.

[gazumped 7,712]

I believe there are several RTL languages.  Evernote hasn't yet commented on whether or when it might be able to deal with any of them - in fact it almost never comments on its future plans or upcoming releases.

[aali 1]

Waiting for Evernote to support Arabic, Persian and Urdu languages.

[gazumped 7,712]

I understand the frustration but Evernote has thousands of user feature requests for many different aspects of its operation - including the ones that still don't work properly.  They're presumably working through them as quickly as possible,  but they'll prioritise bug-fixing and the features in highest demand first.  Maybe RTL hasn't got to the top of the list yet.

Usual advice probably already in this thread:  if you can't live without a feature - find an app the delivers and stick with that.  If you can live with work-arounds,  then stick around for a while and see what happens.  Users' choice.

[Amin Jabari 0]

On 7/4/2018 at 8:03 PM, Lucas Cardoso said:

In my computer if you press CTRL + Shift (the shift on the right), it will change to RTL writing. And if you press CTRL + Shift (the shift on the left), it will return to LTR writing. But I don't know what to do with the version for android.

Thank you for your answer. 

 there is a simple way to overcome this problem in Android and web

Open a blank office word note on your computer and write a letter in RTL language. Then align that text right. Select all and copy the letter

Next, open a new note in Evernote and past.

I use this note as a template and I have added it to my shortcuts. every time I need to have new note, I just duplicate this note and start to write from right to left.

[Tauqeer 0]

This feature is really necessary in 2019. Should be available in basic version as well.

[gazumped 7,712]

An Evernote employee commented recently in another thread that they're working on a new editor,  which is both good and bad news.  Good,  because it might allow an RTL style when it is available,  but bad that Evernote is unlikely to spend time and effort on the existing setup until the new module is ready - and no one has said when that might be.  When any changes are made,  I'm sure they will be available to all account types - subscribers get the same features with higher limits,  email access and helplines.

[gazumped 7,712]

Hi.  Whilst it's been in demand for several years,  this feature has (currently) 51 votes as against 400+ for other features that are also outstanding. 

My post above yours mentions that Evernote are again(?) rewriting their text editor,  which may then include RTL features.  Some browsers already include the option - I'm currently using the Chrome-clone browser Brave,  which seem to work on Evernote Web too (although notes return to LTR if viewed in the Evernote apps...)

[DTLow 4,971]

1 hour ago, hassanmb said:

Why do I have to vote?!

There are many development projects and the work has to be prioritized.

One of the factors is the user interest in specific features, as indicated in the user votes

>>No brainer

[gazumped 7,712]

2 hours ago, hassanmb said:

Stop giving excuses to EN. It makes things worse!

Not excusing Evernote,  just pointing out they have work in hand which might benefit you.  

[Daphny 0]

Pleaseeee add this!!! 

[gazumped 7,712]

On 2/14/2020 at 10:14 PM, persian said:

Please Care about us!!!

Hi.  See https://evernote.com/blog/2020-update-progress-road-ahead/

 

[me@alexkubica.com 2]

On 4/10/2018 at 8:08 PM, LL2525 said:

Am I dreaming...??? After all these years has Evernote finally added RTL support (Right-to-Left direction) for their "Evernote for Windows" ?

For the first time,  I've just succeeded creating a RTL Hebrew note without the need to use any workarounds.

For RTL note (Hebrew for example):
(make sure your EN/HE keyboard is on HE)

- New Note (or ctrl-N) to create a new note
- Enter the title
- Press the RIGHT cltrl-shift of the keyboard
- Start typing.

I haven't yet fully tested it but it seems to work well.
No issues with punctuation marks, numbers and adding English text.

My Evernote version is now 6.10 . Can someone with 6.11 please confirm that 6.11 also supports RTL (because there's no mention of it  in the changelog) ?

And Finally, if the functionality is really OK, can someone (@gazumped maybe ?) please ask the Evernote developers to add 2 direction buttons (RTL & LTR) to the Customize Toolbar window.

Win 7 x64
Evernote 6.10.3.6921 (306921) Public (CE Build ce-1.39.4387)

Thanks man, this did the job for me.

[Roy2012 2]

Evernote - 

First, the fact that you're still not supporting RTL is somewhat embarrassing. 

Second, you were able to bring people who speak Arabic, Parsi, and Hebrew to agree on something - and the only thing they typically agree on is the desire to kill each other. Now that you've made your mark on world peace you can just release RTL. 

  

[Dr. Hasan Bjaili 1]

It is ridicules. Eight years to implement an RTL functionality!! Enough is enough. We have being paying for your service and putting up with the awkward text alignment to substitutes for RTL.

OneNote is also free with no limitation except storage. It cost me $80 for a whole year to enjoy full Office365 service including, Word, Excel, OneNote, etc. compare to around $50 I pay for Evernote Premium. Every time, I decide to move to OneNote, I say to myself may be, Evernote will do it soon. 

• Arabic
• Aramaic
• Azeri
• Dhivehi/Maldivian
• Hebrew
• Kurdish (Sorani)
• Persian/Farsi
• Urdu

 

All the above languages are RTL and I am sure lots of their speakers are using Evernote.

Cuddling time is over. You need to put a definite date for RTL support or I will ditch Evernote and go with OneNote.

ENOUGH IS  ENOUGH

[gazumped 7,712]

6 hours ago, Dr. Hasan Bjaili said:

You need to put a definite date for RTL support

Hi.  You're talking to a -mainly- user-supported forum,  so we can't provide any information on Evernote's future plans - and In the 10 or so years I've used the app the company has never,  to my knowledge,  promised "we'll be launching that next week" or offered any similar information on delivery dates for new features. 

The thing with Evernote,  as with any software,  is that it's a tool.  Use it if it does what you need,  find an alternative if not.  They seem to be working on a fairly major rewrite of the entire package - not just bolting on one extension or another.  When it's ready,  they'll release - and I'd be very happy for them to be really really sure that any new version is as bug free and efficient as possible before that is done.

I understand that its very frustrating that RTL is not yet available - but there are hundreds of other user-requested upgrades outstanding and Evernote will (I hope) be addressing a lot of those too...

[mubed 3]

@gazumped You're right about promissing features for a certain date. I'm a software engineer and have to repeat that in every second meeting for some managers, but what @Dr. Hasan Bjaili says is also true. Evernote is for many of us not just a free tool, you can choose to use or not. At the moment you have some paying customers, who need features essentially, you have to pay attention to their needs.

This topic is just an example. I've been using Evernote for many years.You could see that they started with good innovative features for that time and the tool was great enough for the people to pay for it. Then the development was actually stopped! Of course, it is the choice of the developer to improve the software or not, but you see where OneNote is now and what you get for that fair price. So if you have contacts to the company management, please tell them -- and this is neither criticism nor a threat, but a friendly advice between "colleagues", they don't have much time to launch their super duper new fantastic release. Customers have already started to say goodbye for other tools!

[Dr. Hasan Bjaili 1]

@mubed  and @gazumped  Bingo! They don't have much time to toddle to get to a big super duper release.

Look around! How many software were in the top and suddenly started to take steep dive to the ground. Alot!! For me the reason why I am sticking to Evernote? Because It was  kinda the first note taking software with reasonable features back then and I don't want to take the hassle of migrating. However, OneNote have a utility to import Notes.  But now, there are lots of alternatives. Competitors are flying entering the market see the Youtube below.

Another limitation of Evernote is  not having multiple Notebooks and the hassle of using tags is another hurdle. How many people cried, screamed, begged to have multiple notebook and there is no life to those you calling!

Bottom line, Evernote does not listen to their customers and that is not healthy. Once they wake up, they will notice someone took control of the market and they went bankrupt.

 

 

 

[gazumped 7,712]

3 hours ago, Dr. Hasan Bjaili said:

someone took control of the market and they went bankrupt.

They're a company with more users than the population of a small country - like Japan - with multi-billion-dollar financing.  It'll be a while before they close the doors...

[Dr. Hasan Bjaili 1]

7 hours ago, gazumped said:

They're a company with more users than the population of a small country - like Japan - with multi-billion-dollar financing.  It'll be a while before they close the doors...

Evernote has 360K active users and ~13K paid ones.

I think Evernote is dying

Please read:

https://medium.com/@francescod_ales/the-3-stages-of-evernotes-fall-1a97db52a87f

 

https://www.profitwell.com/blog/evernote-tradeoffs

 

Thx

 

 

[gazumped 7,712]

2 hours ago, Dr. Hasan Bjaili said:

Please read:

Duly noted - I think Francesco changed his view after that 2-year old piece,  and there are many more clips around on both sides of the argument. I guess we'll find out in due course whether any of those predictions (both pro and con) were any good...

[Avinatbezeq 0]

On 4/10/2018 at 8:08 PM, LL2525 said:

Am I dreaming...??? After all these years has Evernote finally added RTL support (Right-to-Left direction) for their "Evernote for Windows" ?

For the first time,  I've just succeeded creating a RTL Hebrew note without the need to use any workarounds.

For RTL note (Hebrew for example):
(make sure your EN/HE keyboard is on HE)

- New Note (or ctrl-N) to create a new note
- Enter the title
- Press the RIGHT cltrl-shift of the keyboard
- Start typing.

I haven't yet fully tested it but it seems to work well.
No issues with punctuation marks, numbers and adding English text.

My Evernote version is now 6.10 . Can someone with 6.11 please confirm that 6.11 also supports RTL (because there's no mention of it  in the changelog) ?

And Finally, if the functionality is really OK, can someone (@gazumped maybe ?) please ask the Evernote developers to add 2 direction buttons (RTL & LTR) to the Customize Toolbar window.

Win 7 x64
Evernote 6.10.3.6921 (306921) Public (CE Build ce-1.39.4387)

 

כן, אבל אין תיקון שגיאות

[Nader 0]

okey its 7 years now since this was requested by your customers, what have you did about it? absolutely nothing?

[gazumped 7,712]

23 hours ago, Nader said:

okey its 7 years now since this was requested by your customers, what have you did about it? absolutely nothing?

? From the comments above yours it seems like there have been some changes... but in general this isn't a forum to submit orders for bespoke systems; feature requests are just that: requests - to be implemented when the company agrees they are appropriate and feels they can add the feature in a cost-effective manner. 

[Nader 0]

On 5/6/2020 at 10:53 AM, Avinatbezeq said:

 

כן, אבל אין תיקון שגיאות

No i dont think RTL is really added, i'm on arabic keyboard and indeed RTL isnt working..

[Nader 0]

On 5/6/2020 at 10:53 AM, Avinatbezeq said:

 

כן, אבל אין תיקון שגיאות

I'm on version 6.24.2.8919 here (windows 10)

[Nader 0]

On 5/25/2020 at 9:30 PM, gazumped said:

? From the comments above yours it seems like there have been some changes... but in general this isn't a forum to submit orders for bespoke systems; feature requests are just that: requests - to be implemented when the company agrees they are appropriate and feels they can add the feature in a cost-effective manner. 

Yes i was expressing my frustration about a "request" not being fulfilled.

[Itzik 0]

Voting for this feature request - it's really necessary!

[winternote 0]

Could adding rtl support be as easy as explained in this article 👇

 

https://android.jlelse.eu/rtl-support-on-android-here-is-all-you-need-know-e13f2df512e2

[gazumped 7,712]

On 8/7/2020 at 9:34 PM, winternote said:

Could adding rtl support be as easy as explained in this article 👇

https://android.jlelse.eu/rtl-support-on-android-here-is-all-you-need-know-e13f2df512e2

OK - now all we have to do is figure out Windows / iOS / MacOS...

[Doombrigade 1]

I can't believe we are more than half way through 2020, and we still don't have RTL

A huge population of Arabic and Hebrew speakers who might feel as if evernote simply dosn't care much for us, as its been more than 5 years and still no support. 

 

 

[LL2525 12]

21 hours ago, Ali Mayali said:

I just installed the latest beta version, I was hoping for the RTL support but unfortunately its worse now. Ctrl+right shift wont turn text direction. Deleting app now.

1. Not only on the beta version.
2. But only yesterday.
It has happened to me, yesterday , September 3rd, on the stable Windows version (6.25.1.9091 win 7 x64)
Today, September 4th it is working fine.

It will be helpful if more users report on their experience on the next few days (beta and non-beta users).

[Ytil 0]

Hi, me too, so many requests for RTL support for many years now, please do something, to gain your millions of potential users.

Hebrew Arabic.....

[mehatzri 0]

Please add RTL support.

notes looks so unorganized and unreadable without it.. 

i consider exporting my data to another app that support RTL 

[Nagihan 0]

Actually I had to start use OneNote coz of it's RTL support. I don't need Evernote system to be totally Arabic but at least they can provide a feature which let us use Arabic inside our own notes. I'm learning Arabic as a second language and I need to take my notes in Arabic sometimes. Before yearly subscription I spent hours to compare, in conclusion I did prefer Evernote, but when I start to learn Arabic, it is being unusable. Anyhow, it is enough to get used to a new system for human -being if you give enough time.

[Nader 0]

Anything new on this ??

 

[lancerm 0]

Time to Leave Evernote

I badly need RTL support.

Looking at this thread I realize that Evernote has known about this problem for 5 years, but has not done anything about it.

I am not waiting any longer. This is shabby treatment by Evernote. 

[LL2525 12]

3 hours ago, gazumped said:

? Apart from completely rewriting their software packages for all platforms so that this sort of feature can be added once rather than 5 times in different operating systems ?  They rolled out v10 a couple of months ago and are now adding new features every couple of weeks...

Lets hope RTL languages support will be one of the those new features but until then I'll stick to my Evernote for windows 6.25.9091 because although RTL is not fully supported in 6.25 (for example adding bullet lists and numbered lists make a mess of the note) I still can use right-ctrl-shift to add RTL text whereas it is reported that this "workaround" doesn't work on that new v10.
See "new version has broken RTL - Evernote for Windows Issues (Versions 10.0 and above) - Evernote User Forum" - https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/topic/130836-new-version-has-broken-rtl/

 

 

[Sword 0]

hope the update will be released soon