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hi it would be quite nice to support right to left writing direction for languages such as Hebrew, Arabic and Persian. it is really hard to write and read when writing in left to right in th

Hi All, You may have noticed that all threads requesting RTL (right-to-left) support have been merged into this thread, regardless of platform specificity.  This was done in order to better

Well it seems Evernote is not a serious product. I have been using the good Quickmemo app in my LG, but it's not compatible with other Androids. Thought Evernote would be the solution for writing note

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Well it seems Evernote is not a serious product. I have been using the good Quickmemo app in my LG, but it's not compatible with other Androids. Thought Evernote would be the solution for writing notes, including pictures, sketching, etc., and started using it.

However, the app is USELESS without RTL support. You just cannot work with it. Whenever you try to add words to a written text it puts them in the opposite side.

It's a shame that an app like this does not support Hebrew, Arabic & Persian, even though the request was sent 6 years ago!

You lose me as a user. I will look for a better app.

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WE NEED THIS!!

We're in 2019 already, if this is not implemented soon, then Evernote will lose a huge customer base.

Many people are going to start using the internet now 24/7 and many apps will go bankrupt because not enough people are using their services. It is not just English and LTR languages out there, there's TONS of RTL languages!

 

EVERNOTE WE WANNA USE YOU BUT YOU MAKE IT HARD FOR US!w

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2 hours ago, gazumped said:

Hi.  Whilst it's been in demand for several years,  this feature has (currently) 51 votes as against 400+ for other features that are also outstanding. 

My post above yours mentions that Evernote are again(?) rewriting their text editor,  which may then include RTL features.  Some browsers already include the option - I'm currently using the Chrome-clone browser Brave,  which seem to work on Evernote Web too (although notes return to LTR if viewed in the Evernote apps...)

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Why do I have to vote?!

I have been a  customer of evernote since 2011 and never voted although i was in need of this since day one. 

Why haven't i voted? Simple. First, I didn't know. Second, they can figure out exactly how many is in need of this feature: add arabic, hebrew, Persian users and Vola.. !! No brainer.

 

Sorry. Stop giving excuses to EN. It makes things worse!

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This feature is being requested frequently for a couple of years. The most promising reply so far can be found here, where EN says:

"We are currently evaluating the ability to add RTL support to our applications (RTL input at least)" (October 2011).

This is definitely more than just "thank you" but still not enough.. B)

However there is some workaround for RTL, provided that one is ready to use the web client in Chrome (see here), as follows:

1. While in Google Chrome, sign into your web account.

2. Press right-control+shift, and start typing RTL (right-to-left).

3. To get back to English-style LTR press left-control+shift.

BTW There is an add-on for Firefox - Force RTL - which presumably works with FF 3. I tried it (a year ago) with FF 7, just in case, but it didn't work..

Good luck.

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Hi,

I am not using evernote 100% specially for the missing of right to left.

All the other note taking app have this geature updated, and evernote not.

Example of app : together, Notebook, Markdown Pro, Yojimbo, deJumble ....

Best Regards,

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I am not using evernote 100% specially for the missing of right to left.

All the other note taking app have this geature updated, and evernote not.

Example of app : together, Notebook, Markdown Pro, Yojimbo, deJumble ....

Best Regards,

You may want to try the latest Evernote Android beta, if you have an Android device, because it looks like Evernote has included RTL support in it.

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You may want to try the latest Evernote Android beta, if you have an Android device, because it looks like Evernote has included RTL support in it.

It is partial LTR - the text behaves well, but bullets don't.

Also when you open it from the Windows client it doesn't show it right.

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In my computer if you press CTRL + Shift (the shift on the right), it will change to RTL writing. And if you press CTRL + Shift (the shift on the left), it will return to LTR writing. But I don't know what to do with the version for android.

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On 7/4/2018 at 8:03 PM, Lucas Cardoso said:

In my computer if you press CTRL + Shift (the shift on the right), it will change to RTL writing. And if you press CTRL + Shift (the shift on the left), it will return to LTR writing. But I don't know what to do with the version for android.

 

On 12/24/2016 at 7:29 PM, Roy2012 said:

+ 1. I have the same need - writing right-to-left languages, on Mac, in Evernote. 

thanks a lot for briliant temperory solution

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This is why I will continue using Google Keep!
This isn't any feature, this is essential for some languages including mine (Arabic).
Evernote not supporting this after all of the requests for a long time, and after they have already supported Arabic as an Interface language (which -by the way- have a very bad font) shows that they don't care much about their users. As a programmer, I know how easy it's to just add a simple text direction button in the text editor.

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how the heck is it possible that such a crucial request of the users hasn't been answered yet (since 2012 at least)?!

it's a natural and basic need of a great amount of users and Evernote is literally shitting on it. it's unbearable how inconvenient is the use of the software for those who use mostly RTL languages.

many softwares have already adapted themselves to this need, why is Evernote lagging? 

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I will try to say this politely.

This is insane! Evernote. A feature that is standard in other platforms/apps, and it has been in demand (+silent customers) since 2012. Yet, it has not been added. 

Any good reason for your loyal customers!!!!

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34 minutes ago, hassanmb said:

This is insane! Evernote. A feature that is standard in other platforms/apps, and it has been in demand (+silent customers) since 2012. Yet, it has not been added. 

Evernote has provided an editor along with it's filing service.
I use it for basic notes, however it's missing many features I need.
I use those "other platforms/apps" when I need extended features, for example MS Word for word processing
Files of any format can be stored in Evernote as note attachments.

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ADD RTL support for Evernote, please? Why don't you care about your middle eastern users?!!! What's the problem of Evernote company with RTL support?!!! I purchased Evernote Premium some years ago but when I faced the damn not supporting RTL I somehow disappointed with this company. PLEASE solve the RTL problem.
Please Care about us!!!🤨

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Being said that it is a shame for Evernote not to support RTL, I have found a workaround for that problem.

 

  • Create an RTL file in another application and put multiple line breaks (hit "Enter" key multiple times) to create a large space for you to write/edit.
  • Then copy that file's content to a new note in Evernote, and name it "RTL sample note" for example.
  • Every time you need to create a new RTL file, copy that note to the required notebook and start editing it in RTL format.

Have a good time.  :) 

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For what it is worth, I am currently a Premium User and have been either Plus or Premium for some time. The Evernote folks should know that this is STILL an issue. I will talk a little about use cases and maybe some alternatives for making support easier.

Many people learning a Semitic language (including Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, etc) need to write notes, vocabulary,  add glosses (short definitions) to text, or record references (like the gentlemen in this thread with Strong's concordance numbers (LTR) intersperesed with RTL text, Syriac was it?). This is also clearly going to be true of anyone doing original language Bible or Koran study. It is currently true of researchers studying ME terrorism, the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, or other similar issues. Evernote, in some ways, is a perfect tool to organize, index, and search that kind of thing. As it turns out, I do all three of these things and I am building up a good amount of mixed-language notes. Almost all of my paper notebooks on language studies, Bible Studies, and Terrorism research have moved to electronic text, either typed or hand-written with a stylus.

Evernote seems to have little problem indexing text and tags in multiple languages (other than some issues searching and matching pointed text--- but we'll talk about that another day ;-) ). Actually ENTERING the text in EverNote, at least on Android (5, 6, and 7) is a *royal* pain in the rear. Much of the time, I end up putting the tablet down in frustration, syncing over to NixNote on Linux, fixing the text, and syncing back. NixNote's RTL support is *not* perfect either, but it is MUCH more reliable than the Android app.

Here is some detail on things I try to do (cut and paste from my notebooks), numbered for reference, then I'll talk a little about ways Evernote might either improve OR *avoid* the issues.

[1] Language exercises:

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Translate Hebrew To English:
  1. אַתָה הוּא הֳֽאֱלֹהִים וַאֲנַ֫חְנוּ עַמְךָ בְּנֵי־בְרִיתָֽךָ
    • Thou art the God and we your people, sons of your covenant.
  2. שָׁלַח מֹשֶׂה מְרַגְלִים אֶת־אֶ֫רֶץ כְּנַ֫עַן וְהָֽאֲנָשִׁים הָיוּ אַנְשֵׁי־שׁם, רְאֹשֵׁי־יִשְׂרָאֵל
    • Moses sent out spies into the land of Canaan, and the men were men-of-name, chiefs among the Israelites.

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(You may see boxes where some of the characters don't display properly in your font: that isn't a problem in the app.) You've got alternating RTL and LTR text on different lines.

[2] Vocabulary

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כְּנַ֫עַן - Canaan
מְרַגֵּל - spy
לֶ֫חֶם - bread

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[3] Mixed language notes

This is closely related to the Arabic practice of mubahlaga ("مُبالَغة": the "ah" is an 'a' as in 'father' and the 'g' is an aspirated sound like in "gomorah"), which is more or less a habitual practice of excessive, almost fantastic exaggeration. There are a few reasons why this practice happens, but...

[4] Definitions

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אניה: 'onîyâh
  1. Ship
    1. Men of ships, seamen [BDB ]
From H590
 
Strong's Definition: Feminine of H590; a ship: - ship ([-men]). 
 
יונה/Jonah 1:3 & 4
 
Q: Why is seamen feminine?
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With #2 you've got mixed LTR and RTL text on the same lines, often separated by punctuation. This could be RTL terms with LTR definitions or vice-versa. With #3 and #4, you have mixed free-form text which may suddenly contain text in the reverse definition. Notice that in the definition of oniyah above I have Hebrew, English, phonetics, links, and keywords all tied together. I can type the characters very easily by switching software keyboards and, in theory, have it all neatly indexed in Evernote. I can even attach hand-writing to add Ancient Hebrew pictograms (I haven't figured out how to type those yet!) all neatly packaged.

What Goes Wrong:

When entering the text, cursor handling becomes totally bizarre. In the best of programs, it can be confusing to move the cursor in and out of the runs of bi-directional text and keep track of where you are (do you move the cursor logically such that the forward arrow takes you to the next logical letter in the sequence, or does the right arrow always move one space right and the left arrow one space left? Evernote doesn't even try. It leaves the cursor in one place and the next character typed goes wherever it feels like. If the cursor is at the end of the line, RTL text is added at the beginning; if I put the cursor at the beginning of the line, text is entered at the end! Using the arrows to move through the text (say, on a bluetooth keyboard) is an exercise in frustration. With either the software keyboard (say Hebrew Nikud Icon-Me or Multi-Ling O Keyboard) or a hardware keyboard, it often forgets where it is and just starts adding new text at the end of the line but a Backspace then deletes in the other direction! This is especially true when pointing (add in vowel marks and accents) in Hebrew or Arabic. The app sometimes loses its mind in this case and starts creating total gobbledy-*****. I have to then select the block of text, delete it, and retype. Sometimes just selecting the most recent RTL character and retyping that seems to let the app figure itself out, but that leads me to the next issue:

Selecting bidirectional text is completely nightmarish. When I sweep out a block of text with finger, mouse, arrow-keys, or stylus, it highlights a more or less arbitrary run of text with the selection handles in completely meaningless positions. I then flail at things randomly until it decides to select the right letter. Moving a handle up, down, right, or left changes the selection in some unrelated fashion. This is often where I give up and go to NixNote or type the text in something else and paste it in. The text above with יונה/Jonah in English and Hebrew was one of those spots I fiddled with for a good while in the app before giving up but it only took me a second or two in this web form, including the time to switch keyboard modes. I often have to type a reference like that in both languages so **either will hit on a search.** With text selection broken, not only is it hard to enter text, it is almost impossible to even fix the problems the app causes.

For the most part, ONCE I GET THE TEXT ENTERED, it looks fine on Android, the web app, and NixNote (given appropriate choice of fonts), so somewhere the Unicode must be handled correctly by your back end. I suspect your back end doesn't really care, which is good and the way it should work.

Other approaches:

Doing bidirectional text right is hard. (I am a retired programmer, believe me, I know!) and sometimes broken APIs underneath make it *really* hard. But, there are also some ways to cheat which might make some of these folks (like me) happ[y/ier]. I am happy with cheating if it gets the problem fixed and reduces my frustration level.

A. Be able to add equivalent search terms. If I can file somewhere that when I search for Jonah, I want to find references to יונה as well, then I don't have to write both terms as often like I did in #4. If I only need to write one term (and I don't care which, mostly), then I have less mixed text and both of us have less frustration. It's less to go wrong. This also would fix problems with searching pointed text by accident (e.g. מלך and מֶ֫לֶךְ don't currently match in your searches, one with and one without vowel-pointing. Strictly speaking, they should search equivalent, just like King and king, but if I can work around it... I really don't care.) This is also VERY important in researching ME history and events anyway as the same name, say of a historical figure, can be transliterated 8 different ways in 8 different articles.

B. Be able to either split LTR and RTR into multiple columns or C. simple tables. When I do vocabulary lists like #2 or translations like #1, it could be split into columns. In fact, when I do it on paper, I use reversed legal paper with a very wide margin on the right. I write RTL in the main body and LTR in the wide margin. With Greek, I use regular legal paper with the wide margin on the left. You could make the same thing easy to do in software and people would have to mix text less often. I have also done them as simple tables in NixNote (Don't seem to be able to in the Android app) which puts the LTR and RTR text in separate boxes: Hebrew/Arabic terms go in one column, English glosses in the other. Again, less mixed text, less problems. Either solution would have side-benefits for non-bidirectional users. Lots of folks take class notes in columns and that's why they make legal pads with those wide margins in the first place.

Really the only thing left then is #2, free-form mixed-language text suddenly switching directions. If it comes down to that and I have to type it in another app and paste it in, sure, that would still be frustrating, but MUCH less so. As it is, however, since I bang into this problem all the time, I am seriously thinking of giving OneNote a try. I'd rather leave my data where it is and just have the problem go away.

 

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The web beta version of the long-awaited Evernote is not promising when it comes to this feature.

RTL option is not available in their new editor! Total disappointment. Seriously thinking of switching to an alternative service.

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RTL works fine, until I added bullets \ numbers - then everything is caos.. but its a good start after a decade of asking for RTL support.. I totally support @LL2525 about: "add 2 direction buttons (RTL & LTR) to the Customize Toolbar window.." 

 

I have the lateset Evernote version for windows 10

6.24.2.8919 (308919) Public (CE Build ce-62.6.10954)

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14 hours ago, mehatzri said:

Please add RTL support.

notes looks so unorganized and unreadable without it.. 

i consider exporting my data to another app that support RTL 

Do the new desktop clients support RTL?

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I now have a strong conviction that evernote derives pleasure from ignoring these requests and that the more requests are made for this feature the more they get off on it like sadists. Imagine all the years that has gone by since the first request! 

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2 hours ago, lancerm said:

Evernote has known about this problem for 5 years, but has not done anything about it.

? Apart from completely rewriting their software packages for all platforms so that this sort of feature can be added once rather than 5 times in different operating systems ?  They rolled out v10 a couple of months ago and are now adding new features every couple of weeks...

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3 minutes ago, LL2525 said:

I'll stick to my Evernote for windows 6.25.9091

Me too - the easy answer to 95% of the current queries on the Forums (with the notable and sad exception of the iOS threads) is "use the Legacy version" or "step back to the last public version".  I'd suspect the current Support overload is pretty much the same.

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It is strange that we can use RTL in the iOS app but can't in Windows.

With other apps it used to be the other way around.

It us really is a serious limitation, especially since Microsoft supports it within Windows.

Any ideas when this support be added?

Itay

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I am getting ready for Evrenote Devcup by addressing this issue. I have developed an application called NimbleBox. NimbleBox is an easiest and quickest way of taking notes in the window with special support for Right-to-left languages! Just press Ctrl+Shift and type your note.


Check out the website: http://nimblebox.me


Check out the Demo Video: http://nimblebox.me/...box-demo-video/


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Please do add this feature - it's long overdue.

Lack of L2R is really preventing myself and countless others from fully integrating this amazing tool.

I'll have to explore using OneNote to create my notes in the meanwhile..though I'd love to use the Evernote Interface

 

Thank You

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Hi there everybody,

 

I just updated my macs' Evernote to the latest version, and something has changed.

 

Usually I'm writing in Hebrew. I had an option to set the paragraph direction to RTL (sadly, no such default option), and that would have set the note format to be kind of RTL note (kind-of because not all things worked correctly and some worked partially).

 

Now, with the new version, it still aligns the text to the right, but the "numbering" and "bulleting" does not work well.

As always, I select the entire text in the note editor, right click the selected text and chose "Paragraph Direction" -> "Right to left", This is causing the numbers to align to the right, and text will align to the left. Horrible :(

 

And there's this new option (or I just haven't saw it) which makes the note "plain text" .. what is this ?

 

Thank you for any help.

Shauli Antar

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Hi.  Sorry this topic seemed to get forgotten in the general traffic on the forums.  As to the OP's question on 'what does plain text do?' - that would be exactly what it says on the can.  Content gets converted to plain text - no bold,  italic or large text.  Try it out on some test text to see the full effect.  As to the buggy RTL situation,  check that you're up to date with the latest version of Evernote (downloaded from Evernote.com) and of the problem still exists I suggest you submit a bug report on this.  You won't get any follow-up,  but it does mean that the devs will take a look at your situation and (hopefully) fix it in a future release...  submit a bug/ lost data report by choosing "report a bug..." in the first dropdown after logging in here> https://www.evernote.com/SupportLogin.action

 

Premium / Business users also have access to a Chat option (7am-7pm PST weekdays) - click 'continue' on the support page after logging in.
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Hi

 

Evernote program is very good and has many features. but there is a problem for Right-to-Left languages. which languages are rtl ? answer: Farsi(Persian) and Arabic. in evernote we can set align to right, but there is not any ltr to rtl changer and when be this problem the dot of end of sentence go first, and some other. Please add 'rtl direction' item to toolbox. Thankfully.

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I started working with Evernote on my Desktop (Windows).

 

It looks promissing, but lacks RTL support in the note Title and Editor, so not friendly to RTL languages.

Is this part of the product limitations or can I achieve this somehow?

 

Thanks!

Mor

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I started using Evernote a few months ago for dissertation research that involves using Arabic. I was pleasantly surprised to see that Arabic is supported, even on Mac, in terms of correctly displaying and connecting the letters. I have also been able to change the paragraph direction (RTL) by right clicking and selecting for it.

 

What is annoying, and what I'm hoping Evernote will address, is the fact that you have to go through this cumbersome right-click>paragraph direction>RTL process every time you switch languages. It would be brilliant (and other software does this) that selecting for a new language automatically puts it into the correct paragraph direction. I hope that's a feature that will come out soon? It will make for a much smoother user experience! 

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I am using the desktop application (premium account) on a mac. When working within a note, I right-click, select "Paragraph direction," and then select "right to left." 

 

I also just tried it on the web-based version. There, when you right-click, you can select "writing direction"and then "right to left."

 

Hope this helps!

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On 10/4/2012 at 1:49 PM, helix said:

However there is some workaround for RTL, provided that one is ready to use the web client in Chrome (see here), as follows:

1. While in Google Chrome, sign into your web account.

2. Press right-control+shift, and start typing RTL (right-to-left).

3. To get back to English-style LTR press left-control+shift.

 

Thanks @helix this works fine for me but I think it would be great if Evernote will make their Windows App RTL supportive.

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it's seems right to left does exist- but there are many problems related to aligning, numbering, bullets and text direction. i think you should let some right-to-left language users test the system and show you the bugs. if you need examples, screenshots etc.- i would be glad to assist.

thanks!

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So what's the story with rtl support?

coming or not?

I use Evernote In OS X, Windows and iOS, webapp couple of times in linux. 

Still no real rtl support yet on those devices. This is really frustrating for me as paying customer, 'coz I need that.

If it's not coming, I have to look up for alternatives and take my money to there.

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Hello,

I'm not sure that it's the place but I would like to request such a feature

The right to left support is very lacking currently in the mac app -

  1. You can't set in first place that the text is right to left (you have to do it after the text was created)
  2. When you add bullets - all becomes very messy... The bullets only allow left to right 

It would be highly appreciated by all Israeli users

 

Thanks!

 

Vit

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I am writing from right to left in Hebrew.

since this morning (after an upgrade of evernote I believe?) all my notes are shown from left to right and I can not read them.

I have evernote plus.

the problem appears in my windows pc and in my android Samsung galaxy as well.

please help how to write and show my notes from right to left as I did till today.

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Hello @aptowizard and @meirjean,

Thank you for posting. To make sure we are all on the same page, this started after a recent update to Evernote on Android, correct? Or did this start after an update to another Evernote application on a different device?

Do your notes still appear correctly on the Evernote website?

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Thank you @Matt W. for the attention,

 

This indeed started after the update to the Android app - I believe it has to do with your new editor, right after you guys posted that there's a new editor the issue started .

Writing & editing on the web is fine..

BTW - notes that were written in the past & are accessed now through the app are still ok - they are aligned to the right as they should but just new notes cannot be aligned to right.

Editing anything in Hebrew or Arabic is impossibly confusing (clicking at the end of a line will start typing at its beginning & the other way around).


I have high hopes with you helping Matt - I use the app all the time & would hate to have to switch service (300 million right-to-left language speakers would probably have to do the same..)

A big thank you in advance!!!

(p.s. I would be happy to help with any further questions until resolution, I'm also sure it's not a specific issue with me - opened Evernote at a friend's android phone & it's the same..)

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Thanks again @Matt W.!

Don't know if this helps but here's more info:

Your Windows desktop program always had some confusing issues with Right-to-Left texts - the cursor doesn't follow the text while typing but is instead stationary, remaining at the beginning of the line (which is very confusing for editing) & placing the cursor at the beginning of a line produces the same effect as the new Android update does (it starts writing at the end of the line instead - placing it at the end starts writing at the beginning..)

I've come to terms with this & although it could sometimes be really uncomfortable it's somehow manageable. (your Windows App BTW is perfect & doesn't have this problem at all but is just less comfortable with a non touch screen..)

Hope this helps & can't wait for the Android app to come back to normal - maybe on the way you might fix the Windows program cursor issue also!

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Hi

the problem still exist in my android.

the button of alignment is missing in the android while it does appear in the web or in the pc windows.

in my case all my previous notes which were written from write to left appear now in the pc windows and in the android from left to write.

the note on the web also appear the wrong way - from left to right.

that means it is impossible to read them.

I suppose it all began when there was an update in the android but I am not sure.

thanks Matt.

 

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On 5/20/2016 at 8:56 AM, Adambe said:

Something went wrong. No more RTL support. I use to write a lot in Hebrew but now it's impossible! Please fix this it can be done.

-Who's with me?

I'm defiantly with you!! We are in 2016 and still don't have rtl support

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