dlu 628 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hello!We have a Beta 2 that allows adding & delete of columns & rows in tables. We've also made the notebook popup in notes to display in their stacks.We also have a few bug fixes, especially:Fix a bug where changing a note's created date failed to cause it to syncFix a bug where selected tags in shared notebooks would not stay selectedFix Quicklook support for notes in Spotlight and the FinderWe've been discussing the feedback from Beta 1. Thanks everyone for contributing.If you've opted into the Betas, you can go to Help >> Check for UpdatesIf you're not auto-updating, you can get the beta here: http://evernote.s3.amazonaws.com/mac/prerelease/Evernote_215813.zip Link to comment
peterfmartin 221 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Somehow this conversation got sidetracked on options, when the only reason Thorsten requested an option is because his/her team has severe problems with the new UI—which almost every user who commented on the last topic about this beta also objected to. Link to comment
Eseifani 9 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hrmm, you're right. Sorry about that. Will get this bug fixed.Thanx. Link to comment
Pete248 9 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Yesterday had an occasion, where a PDF note that had been imported (and so far showed up) as inline suddenly changed to be displayed as an attachment (PDF icon). The context menu didn't give me an option to change it back to inline. Had to save the PDF to the desktop, delete the attachment and drag it back into the note to again display it inline.Reminds me of an old bug that had been fixed around V 2.0.4. Maybe some legacy code found its way back into the current beta? ;-)Pete Link to comment
SteveJam 7 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Dlu, please reassure us that you are giving consideration to altering the Date Created and Updated input methods. Have spent the past week uploading several hundred academic articles which had to have their date altered in EN to reflect their publication dates so they can be viewed chronologically. Having to firstly use the mouse to click on that small "i", then write out the date in text is, I can assure you after several hundred repeats, a total waste of my precious time. Tell me you're going to give me back the previous user-friendly entry method.Thx. Steve J Link to comment
Level 5* JMichaelTX 4,108 Posted January 5, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 5, 2012 dlu, sorry but I will be unable to participate in this Beta.The new UI just slows me down way too much, and I have a lot of work to do.So, I have to stick with Ver 3.0.5 to get my work done.I'm sure one less Beta tester won't really matter to EN.We've been discussing the feedback from Beta 1. Thanks everyone for contributing.What does this really mean?Are your discussions complete, and you've made a decision about the UI changes?Or, you are still discussing? Link to comment
Level 5* JMichaelTX 4,108 Posted January 13, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 13, 2012 DLU, if the new UI has some benefit or advantage over the old one, please point it out.I have tried several times to use it, and I honestly just don't see any improvement.Quite to the contrary, it is harder to use, and presents a number of problems as many have listed above.Please consider returning to the current GA release (3.0.5) UI, but keep the other features and fixes.Thanks. Link to comment
SteveJam 7 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Dli or anyone else,How does one/can one return to the previous offical version?Steve J Link to comment
erkenntnis 8 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I like the two new added features. I don't use tables much, so I haven't tried that feature out. But displaying as stacks in the notebook popover works fine for me.One request: make the tags popover behave the same way as the notebook popover - i.e., display tags in stacks.I'm still waiting for the fix to the bug I reported earlier (Ticket #16051-48185). That bug is seemingly still present in Beta 2, and it makes it pretty hard for me to work with PDFs or images without suffering the spinning beach ball of death. Link to comment
Level 5 Martin Packer 162 Posted January 7, 2012 Level 5 Share Posted January 7, 2012 @JMichael How would these differ in HTML terms from those created afresh in Evernote? I would think they wouldn't - given it's all HTML. Anyhow glad to retire a piece of Applescript that did the Table editing far worse than this function does. (But I learnt a lot about Applescript and Evernote along the way so happy to be retiring it.) :-)Martin Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,316 Posted January 13, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 13, 2012 Somehow this conversation got sidetracked on options, when the only reason Thorsten requested an option is because his/her team has severe problems with the new UI—which almost every user who commented on the last topic about this beta also objected to.Options are relevent because they are being taken away from us with the beta (as I understand it). Options give us a way out of changes, especially those that would interrupt workflows. Link to comment
Level 5* JMichaelTX 4,108 Posted January 5, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 5, 2012 Dli or anyone else,How does one/can one return to the previous offical version?Steve JI was provided these steps by Evernote Support:1. Quit Evernote from the elephant icon in the Menu Bar2. Drag the Evernote application to the system Trash, and empty Trash.3. Reboot your Mac4. Download and install the latest version of the Mac client:http://www.evernote.com/about/download/get.php?file=EvernoteMacWhen you open the download, make sure to drag the Evernote icon into the Applications folder instead of running it from within the installer package.Eject the disk image and delete the installer file before you run Evernote.NOTE: This process does NOT delete the Evernote Note DB on your Mac. Link to comment
peterfmartin 221 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Which option/s was/were taken away? Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,316 Posted January 13, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 13, 2012 As I understand it (not in this round of beta testing) the option to leave "Show Note Info" on has been taken away. Now it only applies to one note at a time. Am I incorrect? Link to comment
SteveJam 7 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 JMichael, Thx for this info. Look forward to seeing what this next version finally looks like. Certainly challenging as is from a UI and user-friendliness point of view.Steve J Link to comment
peterfmartin 221 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Good point. Thorsten was actually asking for a slightly different (new) option—but as a result of this option's removal, so you're right. And in response to his request, dlu and Metrodon fought with you about whether options, it grand abstraction, are generally a good or bad thing. So bringing this back to the specific UI feature being discussed when options became the topic of the day...As a general design philosophy, we're trying not to weasel out of design decisions by simply saying, "let's give users the more options." Not that all options are bad, but they often get used as a crutch for making real decisions (both here at Evernote and at other places).Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but it seems to me you are saying that your philosophy is to make decisions for the user rather than giving them options. Is this an unfair reading of your post?Speaking as a user, I much prefer a design philosophy that gives users options. Easily the vast majority of my frustration with Evernote on Mac and iOS are the lack of options. For instance, one of the options I want to see is plain text (or the equivalent, without the hidden baggage that keeps turning my notes into un-editable nightmares). Paste without formatting is insufficient.Another one would be to leave all of the information about the note out in the open (as in the current public build) with a toggle to hide/reveal it in the menu. I want to see this stuff, and I don't know why anyone would want to take away the ability for me to do so (the current beta, as I understand it).I want the option to use courier as a font. I don't know why I am limited to the ones that Evernote chose.I want the option to remove panes in my view (if I remember correctly, this was only available to the Lions).I want the option to turn off the automatic searching. Everything gets bogged down whenever I search now, because Evernote is searching for "s" "se" sea" "sear" "searc" "searcj" whoops... "search". This is so frustrating.Anyhow, you get the idea. Why is it better to take away our choices? Of course, you need to make a decision and set the default somewhere. But, it is not weaseling out of a decision to say: we have a light gray background, but you can change it to a different color if you want.Some options are of course useful, but at some point you end up with option bloat. Which I guess is like the once-removed-cousin of feature bloat.From a design point of view, we end up making compromises. Instead of really doing thing well, we usually end up with a compromise that does two or more things decently. It is also usually a lazy way out. Forcing ourselves to focus usually leads to better, more thoroughly designed product.There are very distinct and valid instances where you really do want this one little option and it would make a world of difference. But we can't include all of them. The average user doesn't want that many options, nor do they want to "setup" their software. Remember the days when everyone's VCR just blinked 12:00AM all the time?While I know dlu was directly responding to GrumpyMonkey's requests for new options, I hope he and the Evernote team have thought a lot about the user reaction to the removal of the "Show/Hide Note Info" option and recognize that, when dlu says, "Some options are of course useful, but at some point you end up with option bloat. Which I guess is like the once-removed-cousin of feature bloat," one very useful option for many of us, which I doubt many thought was "option bloat," is "Show/Hide Note Info."We're discussing but haven't finalized what we'll end up doingThanks for sharing, dlu, but I hope the overwhelming user sentiment (my understanding of these two topics on the new beta) will eventually move Evernote to bring back an option that—again, judging from the voices expressed on these topics—was clearly very useful for a lot of users. Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 We're discussing but haven't finalized what we'll end up doing Link to comment
Mikael Jagelid 0 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Dlu, please reassure us that you are giving consideration to altering the Date Created and Updated input methods. Have spent the past week uploading several hundred academic articles which had to have their date altered in EN to reflect their publication dates so they can be viewed chronologically. Having to firstly use the mouse to click on that small "i", then write out the date in text is, I can assure you after several hundred repeats, a total waste of my precious time. Tell me you're going to give me back the previous user-friendly entry method.Thx. Steve JTotally agree. One of the reasons I keep articles and reports in Evernote is the ability to set the creation date to reflect publication date. The new input method is just an obstacle. Link to comment
karenjs 35 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Absolutely LOVE the stacks in the notebook popover. This is a big deal for me. Very happy with it! Link to comment
Level 5* JMichaelTX 4,108 Posted January 18, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 18, 2012 Work-Around for Plain TextI agree with the previous posters that Evernote needs a feature that will "Paste as Plain Text" across all platforms, and would NOT include any HTML structuralThere's a free app on the Mac App Store that lets you toggle easily between pasting formatted and unformatted text that works system wide. It's called FormatMatch.Thanks for the suggestion. This looks like the best work-around I have seen.Maybe Evernote can convince the developer to license the code to EN so we can have a true "Paste as Plain Text" option directly in EN. Link to comment
floid 8 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Just reading this, I think Evernote is over thinking things. As a user of Mac, Windows, Samsung (Android) tablet, and Android phone, having everything everywhere is important as the first priority. However, there is a proliferation of other competitors that are doing cross platform editing and text formatting much better. Basic editing of text notes on a Mac client is very lacking. I don't want Evernote to be a word processor, but I have many more formatting optionsposting this reply on this forum than I do in Evernote. And get this, to change the text color I didn't have a separate window pop up. I support providing minimal editing functionality, but the bar for what is minimal is raising. Look at Gmail...it has minimal text editing functionality, but is way more advanced than Evernote. Implement the same editing capability that exists in Gmail and you have a winner. Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,316 Posted January 13, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 13, 2012 Just reading this, I think Evernote is over thinking things. As a user of Mac, Windows, Samsung (Android) tablet, and Android phone, having everything everywhere is important as the first priority. However, there is a proliferation of other competitors that are doing cross platform editing and text formatting much better. Basic editing of text notes on a Mac client is very lacking. I don't want Evernote to be a word processor, but I have many more formatting optionsposting this reply on this forum than I do in Evernote. And get this, to change the text color I didn't have a separate window pop up. I support providing minimal editing functionality, but the bar for what is minimal is raising. Look at Gmail...it has minimal text editing functionality, but is way more advanced than Evernote. Implement the same editing capability that exists in Gmail and you have a winner.I am not sure what you mean by over thinking things, but I think you are very much correct about the capabilities of other applications. The one I have here in the forum is infinitely better, there are no freaky spacing problems when I cut and paste something into the box here, and I can do just about every kind of "minimal" editing I need. If I could get this text box functionality with Evernote on the Mac then I would be thrilled. Link to comment
Level 5 Martin Packer 162 Posted January 6, 2012 Level 5 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Great on the new Tables stuff. I just tried it and it works fine. Slightly clumsy to have a Tables submenu but that's not a big problem.Martin Link to comment
slyfoxen 3 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Is anyone working on fixing Evernote text formatting problem? Double spaces created by simplified formatting are horrible.Has this been brought up in another thread that can be linked to? If not, can you explain when this error occurs? That'll help us reproduce the error.thanks!Here are some links for you to explore the problem:1. Force plain text?2. Plain Text Mode !3. Line spacing of pasted text is frustrating4. plain text instead of fonts5. Where is Evernote Going? Page 2All of the above links mention major problems with Evernote text editor. Link to comment
gtuckerkellogg 33 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Out of curiosity, are there fixes to the AppleScript bugs in this beta? (for example getting every tag via AppleScript includes some deleted tags, and some duplicate tag names. This has been reported and accepted as a bug) Link to comment
peterfmartin 221 Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yeah, thanks for the link. I've now been using it for, what, 24 hours, and FormatMatch is great.JMichael, if you enable a hotkey with FormatMatch, since it works universally, you don't need any additional functionality in Evernote to instantly toggle between formatted and unformatted text. Link to comment
mdalves 17 Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 New beta is great but "Tables" menu is in english, not translated yet to other languages (brazilian portuguese in my case). Link to comment
Level 5* JMichaelTX 4,108 Posted January 5, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hello!We have a Beta 2 that allows adding & delete of columns & rows in tables. We've also made the notebook popup in notes to display in their stacks.dlu,Both of these new features are great, especially the table add/delete. Many thanks.I look forward to using these features.Does Beta 2 have the same UI changes that you made in Beta 1? Link to comment
Mark923 26 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I'm still not a fan of the light grey UI at the top of notes. To me, anything that's grey'ed out means 'not available' in every other GUI. Go bold! Also, where did the text color options go???? Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Out of curiosity, are there fixes to the AppleScript bugs in this beta? (for example getting every tag via AppleScript includes some deleted tags, and some duplicate tag names. This has been reported and accepted as a bug)Haven't made any changes regarding AppleScript. To be honest, probably not a high priority Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Just reading this, I think Evernote is over thinking things. As a user of Mac, Windows, Samsung (Android) tablet, and Android phone, having everything everywhere is important as the first priority. However, there is a proliferation of other competitors that are doing cross platform editing and text formatting much better. Basic editing of text notes on a Mac client is very lacking. I don't want Evernote to be a word processor, but I have many more formatting optionsposting this reply on this forum than I do in Evernote. And get this, to change the text color I didn't have a separate window pop up. I support providing minimal editing functionality, but the bar for what is minimal is raising. Look at Gmail...it has minimal text editing functionality, but is way more advanced than Evernote. Implement the same editing capability that exists in Gmail and you have a winner.I am not sure what you mean by over thinking things, but I think you are very much correct about the capabilities of other applications. The one I have here in the forum is infinitely better, there are no freaky spacing problems when I cut and paste something into the box here, and I can do just about every kind of "minimal" editing I need. If I could get this text box functionality with Evernote on the Mac then I would be thrilled.Agree and noted. I'll have to find time to do something more comprehensive about this, but the cross-platform stuff sorta gives me the chills Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 DLU, if the new UI has some benefit or advantage over the old one, please point it out.I have tried several times to use it, and I honestly just don't see any improvement.Quite to the contrary, it is harder to use, and presents a number of problems as many have listed above.Please consider returning to the current GA release (3.0.5) UI, but keep the other features and fixes.Thanks.The new UI is a move towards a more minimalist design. It should be less visually noisy, and give a single place to go to for all meta data about a note. The note info popover is meant to be a more scalable way of seeing & editing meta data as we add in other metadata fields.The next beta should include some more changes to this UI Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 New beta is great but "Tables" menu is in english, not translated yet to other languages (brazilian portuguese in my case).Yes, we often release Beta's while we're still waiting for translations for some of the text in the UI. Sorry for the inconvenience, should get updated soon. Link to comment
Level 5* JMichaelTX 4,108 Posted January 13, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 13, 2012 Work-Around for Plain TextI agree with the previous posters that Evernote needs a feature that will "Paste as Plain Text" across all platforms, and would NOT include any HTML structural code like "<table>".Until this is provided by Evernote, here is a work-around that might work: Customize Your Mac's “Paste and Match Style"This offers a number of solutions, but for Evernote it probably means using the AppleScript solution.@Moderator: I'm not sure where is the best place to post this. Please feel free to move to another thread. Link to comment
pgdahl 133 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Work-Around for Plain TextI agree with the previous posters that Evernote needs a feature that will "Paste as Plain Text" across all platforms, and would NOT include any HTML structuralThere's a free app on the Mac App Store that lets you toggle easily between pasting formatted and unformatted text that works system wide. It's called FormatMatch. Link to comment
gtuckerkellogg 33 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Out of curiosity, are there fixes to the AppleScript bugs in this beta? (for example getting every tag via AppleScript includes some deleted tags, and some duplicate tag names. This has been reported and accepted as a bug)Haven't made any changes regarding AppleScript. To be honest, probably not a high priorityFor what it's worth, there are a lot of useful AppleScripts that work with EN. It's the best way for users to bridge missing functionality in the Mac client compared to the Windows version. Link to comment
Thorsten 0 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 i really like your design improvements, but...we use evernote in a team. and we often need to change the creation date, as we not scan all documents in time. so the new info-popup is a huge regression in usability. could you make it optional possible to just show the info below the tagging-bar? with that information out of sight, people just forget to change that date and our documents get unsorted.thxthorsten Link to comment
Level 5* Metrodon 2,183 Posted January 5, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yes it does Link to comment
jimstolz76 0 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Just noticed something, not sure if it's isolated to the Beta or not. I created a Notebook, then created a note inside. Then I tried to share it and nothing happened. It looked like it was "broken" because I got no notifications. Turns out I had to manually run a Sync before the Share Notebook would work. Would have been nice to get a notification or even if that forced a Sync.Love the new Tables options, it was virtually unusable before... Link to comment
bluesgeek 12 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hello!...We've also made the notebook popup in notes to display in their stacks.I'm sorry, but I don't understand what this is referring to. Thank you. Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 If you go to change the notebook a note belongs to within the note info panel in the right panel, that menu is now organized by stacks Link to comment
bluesgeek 12 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Ah, yes yes yes... thank you. Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 i really like your design improvements, but...we use evernote in a team. and we often need to change the creation date, as we not scan all documents in time. so the new info-popup is a huge regression in usability. could you make it optional possible to just show the info below the tagging-bar? with that information out of sight, people just forget to change that date and our documents get unsorted.thxthorstenAs a general design philosophy, we're trying not to weasel out of design decisions by simply saying, "let's give users the more options." Not that all options are bad, but they often get used as a crutch for making real decisions (both here at Evernote and at other places). Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,316 Posted January 12, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 12, 2012 As a general design philosophy, we're trying not to weasel out of design decisions by simply saying, "let's give users the more options." Not that all options are bad, but they often get used as a crutch for making real decisions (both here at Evernote and at other places).Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but it seems to me you are saying that your philosophy is to make decisions for the user rather than giving them options. Is this an unfair reading of your post?Speaking as a user, I much prefer a design philosophy that gives users options. Easily the vast majority of my frustration with Evernote on Mac and iOS are the lack of options. For instance, one of the options I want to see is plain text (or the equivalent, without the hidden baggage that keeps turning my notes into un-editable nightmares). Paste without formatting is insufficient.Another one would be to leave all of the information about the note out in the open (as in the current public build) with a toggle to hide/reveal it in the menu. I want to see this stuff, and I don't know why anyone would want to take away the ability for me to do so (the current beta, as I understand it).I want the option to use courier as a font. I don't know why I am limited to the ones that Evernote chose.I want the option to remove panes in my view (if I remember correctly, this was only available to the Lions).I want the option to turn off the automatic searching. Everything gets bogged down whenever I search now, because Evernote is searching for "s" "se" sea" "sear" "searc" "searcj" whoops... "search". This is so frustrating.Anyhow, you get the idea. Why is it better to take away our choices? Of course, you need to make a decision and set the default somewhere. But, it is not weaseling out of a decision to say: we have a light gray background, but you can change it to a different color if you want. Link to comment
Level 5* Metrodon 2,183 Posted January 12, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 12, 2012 KISS - keep it simple stupidI'm all for a simple app that concentrates on doing the job it is intended for well - if it does that then I don't need hundreds of preferences and options. Link to comment
slyfoxen 3 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Is anyone working on fixing Evernote text formatting problem? Double spaces created by simplified formatting are horrible. Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,316 Posted January 12, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 12, 2012 KISS - keep it simple stupid I'm all for a simple app that concentrates on doing the job it is intended for well - if it does that then I don't need hundreds of preferences and options. Simplicity and choice are not mutually exclusive. You can have an extremely bare-bones interface and app (Elements on iOS) with fabulous third party integration (Dropbox and Scrivener) to produce an incredibly robust experience. As a concrete example in Evernote, I currently have to cut and past out of Evernote in the Mac (cannot do it on the iPad because of a bug) into another app in order to edit many of my notes, because even after pasting without formatting it will not let me cut and paste within Evernote (everything I cut can only be pasted to the top of the note). That doesn't sound simple to me Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 As a general design philosophy, we're trying not to weasel out of design decisions by simply saying, "let's give users the more options." Not that all options are bad, but they often get used as a crutch for making real decisions (both here at Evernote and at other places).Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but it seems to me you are saying that your philosophy is to make decisions for the user rather than giving them options. Is this an unfair reading of your post?Speaking as a user, I much prefer a design philosophy that gives users options. Easily the vast majority of my frustration with Evernote on Mac and iOS are the lack of options. For instance, one of the options I want to see is plain text (or the equivalent, without the hidden baggage that keeps turning my notes into un-editable nightmares). Paste without formatting is insufficient.Another one would be to leave all of the information about the note out in the open (as in the current public build) with a toggle to hide/reveal it in the menu. I want to see this stuff, and I don't know why anyone would want to take away the ability for me to do so (the current beta, as I understand it).I want the option to use courier as a font. I don't know why I am limited to the ones that Evernote chose.I want the option to remove panes in my view (if I remember correctly, this was only available to the Lions).I want the option to turn off the automatic searching. Everything gets bogged down whenever I search now, because Evernote is searching for "s" "se" sea" "sear" "searc" "searcj" whoops... "search". This is so frustrating.Anyhow, you get the idea. Why is it better to take away our choices? Of course, you need to make a decision and set the default somewhere. But, it is not weaseling out of a decision to say: we have a light gray background, but you can change it to a different color if you want.Some options are of course useful, but at some point you end up with option bloat. Which I guess is like the once-removed-cousin of feature bloat.From a design point of view, we end up making compromises. Instead of really doing thing well, we usually end up with a compromise that does two or more things decently. It is also usually a lazy way out. Forcing ourselves to focus usually leads to better, more thoroughly designed product.There are very distinct and valid instances where you really do want this one little option and it would make a world of difference. But we can't include all of them. The average user doesn't want that many options, nor do they want to "setup" their software. Remember the days when everyone's VCR just blinked 12:00AM all the time? Link to comment
Level 5* Metrodon 2,183 Posted January 12, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 12, 2012 And that's what they need to fix - adding a multitude of options doesn't help that.(If this doesn't make sense....I was responding to the Grumpster but Dlu got in first) Link to comment
Mark923 26 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I must have missed it, but where did the ability to ADD COLOR TO TEXT go? If it's still possible, it obviously is not intuitive. Also, don't make the text edit bar in grey. In my opinion, universally, a greyed out function means it is NOT AVAILABLE. Make them dark again please! Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 Is anyone working on fixing Evernote text formatting problem? Double spaces created by simplified formatting are horrible.Has this been brought up in another thread that can be linked to? If not, can you explain when this error occurs? That'll help us reproduce the error.thanks! Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 And that's what they need to fix - adding a multitude of options doesn't help that. I'm not sure what the options there would be. Please don't tell me there would be a checkbox for "do random things with copy/paste" Link to comment
Level 5* GrumpyMonkey 4,316 Posted January 12, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 12, 2012 As a general design philosophy, we're trying not to weasel out of design decisions by simply saying, "let's give users the more options." Not that all options are bad, but they often get used as a crutch for making real decisions (both here at Evernote and at other places). Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but it seems to me you are saying that your philosophy is to make decisions for the user rather than giving them options. Is this an unfair reading of your post? Speaking as a user, I much prefer a design philosophy that gives users options. Easily the vast majority of my frustration with Evernote on Mac and iOS are the lack of options. For instance, one of the options I want to see is plain text (or the equivalent, without the hidden baggage that keeps turning my notes into un-editable nightmares). Paste without formatting is insufficient. Another one would be to leave all of the information about the note out in the open (as in the current public build) with a toggle to hide/reveal it in the menu. I want to see this stuff, and I don't know why anyone would want to take away the ability for me to do so (the current beta, as I understand it). I want the option to use courier as a font. I don't know why I am limited to the ones that Evernote chose. I want the option to remove panes in my view (if I remember correctly, this was only available to the Lions). I want the option to turn off the automatic searching. Everything gets bogged down whenever I search now, because Evernote is searching for "s" "se" sea" "sear" "searc" "searcj" whoops... "search". This is so frustrating. Anyhow, you get the idea. Why is it better to take away our choices? Of course, you need to make a decision and set the default somewhere. But, it is not weaseling out of a decision to say: we have a light gray background, but you can change it to a different color if you want. Some options are of course useful, but at some point you end up with option bloat. Which I guess is like the once-removed-cousin of feature bloat. From a design point of view, we end up making compromises. Instead of really doing thing well, we usually end up with a compromise that does two or more things decently. It is also usually a lazy way out. Forcing ourselves to focus usually leads to better, more thoroughly designed product. There are very distinct and valid instances where you really do want this one little option and it would make a world of difference. But we can't include all of them. The average user doesn't want that many options, nor do they want to "setup" their software. Remember the days when everyone's VCR just blinked 12:00AM all the time? I guess we are posting over one another. Let's take a concrete example: why would Evernote force me to use a three pane view that will not collapse enough on my 13" screen to allow me to use Evernote while reading something else? Surely I am not the only user who wants to use more than one app at a time in conjunction with one another. This design decision causes me headaches every day, and I end up using something like Notational Velocity (a VERY simple program) that simply does what I want. I want to make it very clear here that I am not looking for a clunky interface with a billion options. Please do keep it simple and clean, and please do make decisions for the default view. But, don't force me to live on Pacific Standard Time (using your VCR analogy). More to the point, the VCR clock was not a problem of options. It was a problem of user interface (my microwave manufacturer got it right - every time the power goes out we have to take maybe 5 seconds to reset it). Design the interface well and everyone will be happy EDIT: I forgot to address option bloat. Option bloat is a far less trouble than feature bloat, in my opinion. Still, in principle, I agree that we don't want to have every conceivable option. But, I think the ability to customize the view to deal with small screens would be a fairly common option. In fact, I am not sure if any app, including the bloated behemoth that is Word, forces me to use such a huge amount of screen real estate. Link to comment
Level 5* Metrodon 2,183 Posted January 12, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 12, 2012 And that's what they need to fix - adding a multitude of options doesn't help that. I'm not sure what the options there would be. Please don't tell me there would be a checkbox for "do random things with copy/paste" I think you have already implemented that as standard Link to comment
Level 5* JMichaelTX 4,108 Posted January 7, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 7, 2012 Does the Tables add/delete row/column work on tables captured from the web and on tables pasted from Word? Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 Does the Tables add/delete row/column work on tables captured from the web and on tables pasted from Word?It should, if there are exception let us know. We'll see what we can address Link to comment
Eseifani 9 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hello!We have a Beta 2 that allows adding & delete of columns & rows in tables. We've also made the notebook popup in notes to display in their stacks.We also have a few bug fixes, especially:Fix a bug where changing a note's created date failed to cause it to syncFix a bug where selected tags in shared notebooks would not stay selectedFix Quicklook support for notes in Spotlight and the FinderWe've been discussing the feedback from Beta 1. Thanks everyone for contributing.If you've opted into the Betas, you can go to Help >> Check for UpdatesIf you're not auto-updating, you can get the beta here: http://evernote.s3.a...note_215813.zipYes, and made it impossible to edit note location. No thanx at all. When will you stop favouring aesthetics over functionality? Link to comment
Level 5* jefito 5,586 Posted January 5, 2012 Level 5* Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yeah, and have you stopped beating your dog? Link to comment
slyfoxen 3 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I think that a forum search for "double spacing" will bring a lot of posts with unresolved issues.Here is a simple experiment. I use Notational Velocity where I store all my text notes because Evernote can't handle text properly. Notational Velocity is set to store all text in RTF format because some of my notes use Bold and Italic text. When I copy an RTF note from Notational Velocity to any other program, I have 0 problems. When I paste the same note to Evernote and then choose simplify formatting, Evernote adds extra space to every single line and make the entire note double spaced.Importing any RTF note into Evernote and then pressing "Simplify Formatting" causes double spacing in all imported RTF notes. This also often happens when I paste things from the web and use simplify formatting option.I am using the latest stable Evernote build form the Mac App Store. This problems has been happing for a while now with a number of previous Evernote versions. Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yes, and made it impossible to edit note location. No thanx at all. When will you stop favouring aesthetics over functionality?If you go to the note info popover, you can edit the location. The shortcut is cmd+shift+i Link to comment
Eseifani 9 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yes, and made it impossible to edit note location. No thanx at all. When will you stop favouring aesthetics over functionality?If you go to the note info popover, you can edit the location. The shortcut is cmd+shift+iI tried, it doesn’t work. The Location bit is not clickable at all. I could neither edit existing note locations nor add them in notes that did not have them. Link to comment
dlu 628 Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hrmm, you're right. Sorry about that. Will get this bug fixed. Link to comment
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Hello!
We have a Beta 2 that allows adding & delete of columns & rows in tables. We've also made the notebook popup in notes to display in their stacks.
We also have a few bug fixes, especially:
We've been discussing the feedback from Beta 1. Thanks everyone for contributing.
If you've opted into the Betas, you can go to Help >> Check for Updates
If you're not auto-updating, you can get the beta here: http://evernote.s3.amazonaws.com/mac/prerelease/Evernote_215813.zip
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