Sort by title: Sort order is not correct

[HSM 66]

The sort order of notes is not correct when I sort by title.

Create six notes in an empty notebook with the following note titles: 1 - 2 - 10 - 11 - 21 - 22

Then sort by title. The results list is now displayed as follows: 1 - 10 - 11 - 2 - 20 - 21

That is not correct. Correct would be: 1 - 2 - 10 - 11 - 20 - 21

[gazumped 12,072]

Already discussed in other threads.  One version is alphabetic sorting which chooses all the lines starting with 1,  then all the lines starting with 2;  the other is numeric which realises that 2 is less than 10.  Feedback@evernote.com to request an option to choose between the two;  otherwise use better numbers with leading zeros - 001,  002,  010 etc...

[zem 3]

I confirm. It was correct before. Now (EV 10.103.3 - Win11), reverting the alphabetic order, I get this:

[gazumped 12,072]

On 8/29/2024 at 5:23 PM, zem said:

I confirm. It was correct before.

 

On 8/29/2024 at 10:55 AM, gazumped said:

Feedback@evernote.com to request an option to choose between the two;  otherwise use better numbers with leading zeros - 001,  002,  010 etc...

 

[HSM 66]

EN: Please give the possibility to choose between:

- alphabetic sorting which chooses all the lines starting with 1,  then all the lines starting with 2;

- numeric which realises that 2 is less than 10

 

[gazumped 12,072]

12 minutes ago, HSM said:

EN: Please give the possibility to choose between:

Hi.  Evernote isn't really here,  but feel free to request this via feedback@evernote.com... 

[zem 3]

On 9/13/2024 at 12:36 PM, gazumped said:

Hi.  Evernote isn't really here,  but feel free to request this via feedback@evernote.com... 

Thank you. Here is a part of the mail:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetical_order#Modified_letters "In French, modified letters (such as those with diacritics) are treated the same as the base letter for alphabetical ordering purposes. For example, rôle comes between rock and rose, as if it were written role".

[PinkElephant 8,829]

Wikipedia articles are written by users like you and me. It’s a great source, but it’s nothing authoritative or official.

Beside this one can argue in favor of treating it all like the base character, and another person can argue against it.

Personally I am in favor for simple solutions that are easy to understand. Especially when using multiple languages treating the diacritics as special characters would move them on top - this means rôle would be listed before raaaaaa…

I wouldn’t be watching there in a list.

[zem 3]

7 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Wikipedia articles are written by users like you and me. It’s a great source, but it’s nothing authoritative or official.

Beside this one can argue in favor of treating it all like the base character, and another person can argue against it.

Personally I am in favor for simple solutions that are easy to understand. Especially when using multiple languages treating the diacritics as special characters would move them on top - this means rôle would be listed before raaaaaa…

I wouldn’t be watching there in a list.

There are references to consolidate the text (14)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetical_order#References

Before august the order was correct, and it was confortable.

[thefryhole 97]

EN doesn't interact with users in this forum, apparently, but they did provide a response in a recent Reddit discussion about this including a statement that they don't intend to change the sort order again.

[zem 3]

5 hours ago, thefryhole said:

EN doesn't interact with users in this forum, apparently, but they did provide a response in a recent Reddit discussion about this including a statement that they don't intend to change the sort order again.

Thank you for this (surprising) information.

[VincentC 349]

The Reddit post that @thefryhole provided above has a link to this article, which is very informative both for sorting and for tags in shared notes:

Sync update: faster and more efficient with RENT metadata sync – Evernote Help & Learning

Some users might want to keep a note with the ASCII table in Evernote for reference!

 

Vinnie

[zem 3]

On 9/17/2024 at 6:44 PM, VincentC said:

The Reddit post that @thefryhole provided above has a link to this article, which is very informative both for sorting and for tags in shared notes:

Sync update: faster and more efficient with RENT metadata sync – Evernote Help & Learning

Some users might want to keep a note with the ASCII table in Evernote for reference!

 

Vinnie

So there is no choice, I quit EN for NOTION.
À tous, je souhaite bonne continuation.

[PinkElephant 8,829]

I sometimes wonder why a clear algorithm (in this case sorting based on the ASCII encoding) can be anything else but neutral.

[tired and disappointed 669]

Me too. But somehow Evernote manages to sort note titles differently depending on whether browsing notebooks or stacks 🤔

[VincentC 349]

It hasn't been mentioned much here that I've seen but, in addition to numbers, my understanding is that ASCII will put most emoji at the bottom of the sort order.  Given that there seem to be numerous folks posting here suggesting emojis to "spice up" or force-rank their note lists, I am surprised we haven't seen more questions about that change.

 

Vinnie

[PinkElephant 8,829]

Actually I like the visuals as well.

But for sorting order I add a special character at the beginning.

[AlbertR 707]

On 8/29/2024 at 11:55 AM, gazumped said:

Already discussed in other threads.

@HSM Please have a look into

• 074 - Sort Notes by Title identical on all clients (numerical with special order of non-alpha characters) (Ticket #3962362)

Only if it is clear (forever 😉) how EN sorts, it makes sense to adjust titles to personal needs...