Drag and drop of tags (wherever possible)

[fragefrank 24]

Feature requested: allow drag and drop of tags on other tags wherever possible in the GUI. 

Example: the edit tag window allows to create new tags. As new tags are always created at the highest level, if they actually are sub-tags in a hierarchy, they need to be sorted to their correct super-tags. In the edit tags window, one can see and open the tag hierarchy, but one can not just take a new tag and drag it to the right place. Why not ? That requires leaving this context and going to a different window. This is not only an unnecessary extra step: if multiple tags are created, it can be challenging to remembering what tags one made, and where they need to be sorted to. This GUI design is tedious and error prone. 

Solution: allow drag and drop of tags to rearrange them in every window where it is possible to implement it (especially the edit tags window). 

 

 

[PinkElephant 8,807]

Tags or Tasks ?

Your post is oscillating between the two. Maybe use the edit function to clear it up.

[Mike P 2,977]

You can create tags within the hierarchy using the sidebar if that helps - you don't need to use the tags window. You can also organise the tags by drag and drop. I tend to do this and then just drag the newly created tag onto my note.

[fragefrank 24]

I know I can. But this doesn't help. In the sidebar you have a different problem (that also could be solved!): you can not search for tags. To search for tags, you need the edit tags menu. Or the tag menu, but there then it is difficult to assign the new tag to specific notes.

The specific point is that thus I'm frequently using the edit tags menu to assigns tags to a current note, creating new tags if there isn't an appropriate one already there. But then I need to leave this context to move the new tag to its proper place - even though the tag hierarchy is already displayed in the edit tag menu. So I have to leave the edit tag menu, and do for example what you suggest. 

Imagine doing that in a review process, when dealing with 100 notes that accumulated in the inbox over a while, and need sorting. It's fine the first few times, but at note 20 you go crazy. 

 

[PinkElephant 8,807]

When I do inbox housekeeping, I usually select several notes at once that will receive the same tag, click on the apply tag icon and type into the search field.

If tags with that characters exist, I will be shown all options, and can apply with a mouse click.

If there is no tag that meets my requirements, I can create a new tag right in this tagging function. It is then automatically applied to the selection.

The use of the tagging area is not needed. I can go there later, for example for nesting the new tag. I can move a tag around, without destroying it being applied to notes I had it assigned to earlier.

[fragefrank 24]

Dear @PinkElephant - we had this before: I'm very grateful for your fast and deep thoughts on helping finding work arounds. But again, I posted this as a feature request because I'm suggesting a feature. I'm not looking for a work around.

My workflow is a different one then yours: I select one note after another and then consider what to do with it. And I don't want to have to go to the tagging area 'later' just for nesting, if the entire tag hierarchy is already in front of me when I create the tag, and all that would be needed is to be able to nest the tag AT THAT MOMENT.

I'm writing this here so Evernote, should they read, can understand my use case. And the reasons for this feature request. 

[PinkElephant 8,807]

If you want to write to EN, use a support ticket.

We (= those with some forum experience) have no indication that "feature requests" do what you might expect when you take the name literally.

Beside this, you can create a new tag right inside of a nested structure that already exists. Just right click on any tag (however deep inside of a hierarchy), and select "Create tag nested under ..." from the dropdown menu. There is no need to create a tag on the topmost level, and then move it in another step - if you already know where in the tree you want to create it.

So your feature request to create a tag right where you want it in a nested structure seems to be already implemented. 

There is some more about the tagging: You can create a new tag (by the + sign in the side bar), move it wherever you want it (menu command) and then simply drag it on the still selected note to apply it. All this while the note stays selected. As I said, I think it is quite inefficient to do housekeeping note by note, but if you want, and create tags on the fly, it can be done.

 

[fragefrank 24]

Dear @PinkElephant: my feature request is as I described it: the ability to drag and drop tags in the edit tags menu.

 

Not something else.  I appreaciate your effort, but please do not redescribe my requests. Or tell me why they are not needed.  You have done this before. 

I must assume that Evernote has setup a forum with a category general feature requests for a reason. If they never look at it, it’s nonsensical to have it to begin with. So I’m hoping they do silently read. 

Thus in this post, what is important to me is that they can clearly understand my feature request. 

 

 

[PinkElephant 8,807]

We experienced forum users can only describe what may be an approach to reach EN staff. From observation, dropping requests here don’t move an issue. If staff silently reads it, is up to everybody’s imagination.

[fragefrank 24]

It seems not useful to have this discussion. If Evernote reads the forums, my feature request is what I described above. 

 

[fragefrank 24]

10 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

When I do inbox housekeeping, I usually select several notes at once that will receive the same tag, click on the apply tag icon and type into the search field.

Just to be clear: I'm using the edit tag field because the add tag search field does not do partial search completion. Unless you exactly remember the spelling of the tag, you won't find it. The edit tag menu does do partial search completion. Thus being able to reorganise tags in the edit tag menu would be very useful to have.

[fragefrank 24]

9 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Beside this, you can create a new tag right inside of a nested structure that already exists. Just right click on any tag (however deep inside of a hierarchy), and select "Create tag nested under ..." from the dropdown menu. There is no need to create a tag on the topmost level, and then move it in another step - if you already know where in the tree you want to create it.

So your feature request to create a tag right where you want it in a nested structure seems to be already implemented. 

You can not search fort tags in the sidebar at all. Hence I'm using the edit tag menu which has search with partial search completion. And asking to have drag and drop of tags there, too. Because if you create a new tag there, it is always created at the top-level. There is no 'create tag nested under ...' drop down menu in in the edit tags menu. 

 

[Mike P 2,977]

21 hours ago, fragefrank said:

I know I can. But this doesn't help. In the sidebar you have a different problem (that also could be solved!): you can not search for tags. To search for tags, you need the edit tags menu. Or the tag menu, but there then it is difficult to assign the new tag to specific notes.

I understand the point about the need fo ra search function which is not present in the sidebar. I also know you don't want work arounds but other people reading this thread might, so I'm going to mention it anyway. And if it is something you haven't tried, may be it will tide you over until EN implement your idea.

You say that it is difficult to assign a tag from the tag menu (I assume you mean the pop out tag Window -  Alt+ctrl+5). I disagree. You can search, create a new tag within the hierarcy etc in that menu and then drag the created tag onto the note in either the note list or the note itself.

You cannot do this for multiple notes at once, but my understanding of your workflow is that is not what you are doing.

 

[fragefrank 24]

Thanks. Yes I know that is possible with the tag menu. And when using the tag menu, there is another restriction: you can not see / edit all the tags applied to the current note at once if you have more tags than fit the short line at the bottom right under normal note view.

In the edit tag menu, all tags applied to a note will be displayed, you can do partial search, rename, create new. What is missing is drag and drop of tags within the hierarchy to reorganise them. While you work with the tags of a note, you may realise a tag is in the wrong place, and it would be great to be able to organically reorganise it there and then without having to go to a different palce. Hence, again, I'm suggesting specifically to implement drag-and-drop of tags within the tag hierarchy of the edit tag menu.

What worries me with work arounds in feature request posts is that EN, should they read this, may think the feature request is not necessary after all. Or that it gets unclear what the feature request really is.

 

[Mike P 2,977]

18 minutes ago, fragefrank said:

In the edit tag menu, all tags applied to a note will be displayed, you can do partial search, rename, create new.

How do you rename tags within the edit tags menu?

23 minutes ago, fragefrank said:

What worries me with work arounds in feature request posts is that EN, should they read this, may think the feature request is not necessary after all. Or that it gets unclear what the feature request really is.

On the contrary I think the discussion here has allowed you to define much more clearly why the existing systems do not work for you. Your original post said nothing about searching or the ability to see more allocated tags than will fit at the bottom of the note. I agree that only the edit tags menu has both those features. If you don't need to search you can use the sidebar; if you don't need to see a longer list of allocated tags you can use the main tag menu.

 

[fragefrank 24]

True - you can't rename a tag in the edit tag menu. 

New feature request: allow renaming tags in the edit tag menu. It's the most natural thing to right-click on something you see and rename it.

[Mike P 2,977]

A very much tongue in cheek "Advanced tagging set up". All the functionality of the full tags menu and the ability to see all the tags used and remove them if required! And yes the Note Info box on the right hand side (separate window)  does change dynamically as you add tags to the left hand side version of the note.

[fragefrank 24]

22 hours ago, Mike P said:

A very much tongue in cheek "Advanced tagging set up".

Very inventive !

But I'll keep stating: Evernote - this basic stuff shouldn't be this complicated. Just add drag-and-drop reordering and renaming to the edit tag menu. 

Or merge the tag and the edit tag menu.

 

[fragefrank 24]

On 6/21/2023 at 9:12 AM, PinkElephant said:

We experienced forum users can only describe what may be an approach to reach EN staff. From observation, dropping requests here don’t move an issue. If staff silently reads it, is up to everybody’s imagination.

BTW - I asked Evernote when filling my feature request. They responded saying that of course they do read the feature request forum. 

[PinkElephant 8,807]

If you are sure this is the way, just drop it there. You can come back later and see if anything has happened.