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Artificial Intelligence, Graph View, Mind Maps, Self Organising?


Silent Hunter

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Basically I'm always going back to Evernote because it's still the most stable and bug free note taking app. However sometimes I am missing the cool feature from other apps.

  • Artificial Intelligence (ChatGPT style) to help summarise, write, rewrite walls of text. Lookup information and so on.
  • I want a Graph View of my linked notes. And I want to be able to auto link notes by just typing something like {other note}.
  • Please let us generate beautiful mind maps like the ones at https://www.mindmeister.com/.
  • I don't want notebooks or folders anymore. The AI in Evernote should organise my stuff, I just want to write and forget until I need it again.

In my opinion you win the internet with those features plus the stability you already have. Thank you and have a nice day.

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Most apps run in the background on a pretty dull data structure. What looks hip and modern on the front end is in the back end mostly efficient number crunching. EN is about to undergo a major overhaul of what they had been running since 2014 at least.

For my feeling this is enough in the pipeline for the next months. And it will open the road to better collaborative tools, which will need time to evolve. About your points!

  1. If you want ChatGPT, use ChatGPT. These guys used a lot of effort (and venture capital) to get where they are now. What is currently hyped is a test period - we will see if the hype prevails when they ask money for the service.
  2. There have been 3rd party efforts for visually displaying notes, their relations and communalities. Try moio-map or bubble browser. Ah, sorry, can’t try: All these attempts failed completely - nobody was able to build a business model, and the services disappeared when the developers went out of business. I doubt this approach is sustainable: In the first try it is wow and super, but on really using them their usefulness was from my experience limited. 
  3. Mind Mapping software is available, both free or paid. If you want to use one, get one. Mindmeister is not a good example, AFAIK it is cloud based and could not be integrated.
  4. You can do today without notebooks: Just stop using them. You can stuff everything into your default notebook, there is no limit to this approach.
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30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Most apps run in the background on a pretty dull data structure.

What is your point here?

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

What looks hip and modern on the front end is in the back end mostly efficient number crunching.

Don't get the point here again.

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

EN is about to undergo a major overhaul of what they had been running since 2014 at least.

So what?

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

For my feeling this is enough in the pipeline for the next months.

Who are you? What exactly is enough? You seem to know more than I do. Please explain in detail.

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

And it will open the road to better collaborative tools, which will need time to evolve.

Cool but I don't want that.

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

If you want ChatGPT, use ChatGPT. These guys used a lot of effort (and venture capital) to get where they are now. What is currently hyped is a test period - we will see if the hype prevails when they ask money for the service.

Thank you for the kind offer however I'd like to user their API inside Evernote. I don't want Evernote to rebuild ChatGPT. I'm not in for the hype, it would be useful for me.

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

There have been 3rd party efforts for visually displaying notes, their relations and communalities. Try moio-map or bubble browser. Ah, sorry, can’t try: All these attempts failed completely - nobody was able to build a business model, and the services disappeared when the developers went out of business. I doubt this approach is sustainable: In the first try it is wow and super, but on really using them their usefulness was from my experience limited. 

Which approach? I want the Evernote guys to implement another kind of view for data. Don't get what your experience has to do with it. I personally need this privately and for work and I don't want to switch to other tools.

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Mind Mapping software is available, both free or paid.

Really? Thanks for pointing that out.

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

If you want to use one, get one.

Thank you for your kind offer.

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Mindmeister is not a good example, AFAIK it is cloud based and could not be integrated.

Who decided whether it's good or bad? You?

30 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

You can do today without notebooks: Just stop using them. You can stuff everything into your default notebook, there is no limit to this approach.

From my point of view this is the most valuable part of your answer. Thanks.

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You seem not to ask yourself what sort of expertise a company like EN builds over the years. This expertise is a major part of the intrinsic value of a company. That may be the key question here: You can’t make an AI-engineer out of a database specialist just by sending him to evening school for a few months. EN has a lot of experience in building and running a massive parallel cloud structure - and AFAIK none in AI.

They employ this expertise currently to rebuild the cloud database and the syncing to/from the apps. A wise decision: Use what you can, stop dreaming about what could be done if you could do (but in fact can’t).

About the visualization: All attempts of independent developers failed - at least commercially. Why should EN sink money into that hole ? Would you pay more for your subscription if there would be a few nice graphs painted on the display ? How much more ? Oh, you want it for free: That’s where the former attempts failed. They could not make a return from it.

Mindmeister runs on it’s own cloud. It integrates with Meistertask, from the same dev. It can’t be integrated with EN, and that’s why it is a bad example. BTW the dev makes his money today with Meistertask, which is a web based tool for collaborative task and project management. Mindmeister serves as an extension to it: You make a MindMap initially, and can convert nodes into tasks to build the project from the mindmap. Pretty slick, but as an unique approach nothing you can easily integrate anywhere.

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On 12/21/2022 at 1:31 PM, Silent Hunter said:
  • I don't want notebooks or folders anymore. ... I just want to write and forget until I need it again.
5 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

You can do today without notebooks: Just stop using them. You can stuff everything into your default notebook, there is no limit to this approach.


My notes are organized with minimal "notebooks or folders"    
Evernote actually has no support for folders    
instead, organization is based on Tag Methodology, with two fields in the note record; Notebook and Tags 

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