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[ajschmidt 250]

Feature Request: Add Outlining Capabilities to Evernote

Evernote is great, but it's dying for the ability to create Notes that contain Outlines which are easily collapsed and expanded during creation and in use.

One way to implement it would be a switchable editing mode, between standard formatting or outline mode.

In outline mode, pressing the Enter key creates a new outline item, and pressing the Tab key changes the current item into a sub-item.

Clicking on an item's action icon causes its sub-items to collapse out of, or expand into view. That's the way the Ecco Pro PIM did it, and something simple like that would be a good start for Evernote.

The name Evernote implies a product that takes notes -and collapsible/expandable outlines are a huge part of note taking.

[Thomas Oatman 4]

16 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

@Thomas Oatman If you come to your conclusion, you could simply stop using EN - nobody forces you to use it - and do more productive things than posting stuff here that IMHO is completely lacking substance.

Oh Nimbus is gaining ground (good to know - how and why ?), oh you don’t need more stress (who wouldn’t agree to this, my sympathy). Anything else to waste some more time ?

You have asked for feedback, so don’t complain …

WOW!  Having a bad Day ?!?!?!
I said nothing different than anyone else in the last ten years.

I am pointing out that Evernote has been ignoring such important features while the competition is catching up (this is not the thread to spell out exactly how - but Nimbus has awesome collapse/expand -- at the Block level).   
EN did a very impressive job in the code consolidation and are adding some great new features in v10 - for which I am excited about;  however, v10 is too slow to use.

Thus -- I am NOT using EN10 anymore - removed it within a week.   I tried it again last week - removed it again.

So I still use the wonderful 'legacy' edition for the 11k notes I have collected since 2012.

 

Have a wonderful day.

[PinkElephant 8,091]

Everybody’s darling is everybody’s fool. I could recount numerous single features other apps have, and the app we are using hasn’t. Make this EN, Office 365, Adobe Photoshop, whatever, and compare with X-Note, Y-Suite and Z-Edit. Todays apps rather have a shitload more features that most users will use in their life than essentials that are really missing.

One could conclude that if an app is still living after ignoring whatever feature for 10 years, the feature can’t be THAT important in first place.

So if you are happy with Nimbus, be it. Nobody can decide for you if you like what you use.

[Underwood43 1]

Hello, 

Just to add my usecase to the discussion. I use evernote extensively for pro and personal purposes (and I've been a premium subscriber for years). In my personal life, I write novels. Some of my books contains +80 chapters. I tried to use Evernote many times to outline my books but it's quite impossible to manage without an expand/collapse feature and I'm forced to use another tool (ie Notion) just for this part of my digital life. It would be a very cool moove from evernote to add this feature to the product.

[PinkElephant 8,091]

When doing writing to that extend (my respect), I would think about „writers“ tools like Ulysses or Scrivener.

[Kaushal Meena 1]

+1 to this feature 

please add expand/collapse able bullet points feature, please, please, please

[Kaushal Meena 1]

+1 , PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ADD THIS FEATURE TO EVERNOTE. 

[Bazrael 0]

+1 for this feature please, would be very very useful for how I use Evernote.  Thank you!

[gazumped 11,657]

It's still unknown when or if Evernote will add this option to the editor - as with other specialised features they may think there are plenty of mature apps already out there that do this job quite well.  Evernote have to make something up for themselves - or buy in the expertise - which may not be cost effective,  even with the clear enthusiasm shown for this feature. 

Personally,  I use Workflowy,  sections of which I can cut and paste into my notes,  or link to with a short URL. 

[JustinJ 5]

Yes please add this!

[nolan12 0]

If this doesn't happen soon, I might go back to using OneNote where that was one of the most useful features for condensing what's visible on each note/page. Helps for practicing recall by hiding and then showing the information below each bullet.

[gazumped 11,657]

On 7/13/2021 at 7:49 PM, Bluamasyu said:

Top feature - don't wait long. 

 

4 hours ago, nolan12 said:

If this doesn't happen soon

You joined a request thread that's been running for 10 years. I wouldn't expect anything to happen anytime soon...

[AlbertR 531]

In Germany we know the ideom "Steter Tropfen höhlt den Stein" which might be known as "Little strokes fell big oaks." 😉 - Don't give up!

[PinkElephant 8,091]

Beside voting here one can use the feedback function build into the clients as well.

[Tot 6]

Hi,

 

Please consider implementing collapsible blocks like Notion. This is a major feature that I've been waiting for years which would be very useful for my needs. 

 

Thanks

[Tot 6]

This would be a great feature, like in notion. 

 

[DTLow 5,736]

22 minutes ago, mat_rhein said:

Since Evernote is having a really shallow folder structure 

Off topic, but Evernote has no support for folder structure
All notes reside in a single folder   
This can be observed with the Evernote Legacy product on a Mac

This works for me   
For note organization, I use the Notebook/Tag metadata fields  (Tags are Evernote's primary organization tool)
Notebooks can be organized into two levels    
Tags are a hierarchy and can be organized into unlimited levels

[mat_rhein 3]

5 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Evernote has no support for folder structure;    

Meant no offense there... call me old-fashioned, but I perceive stacks and notebooks as folder equivalents in their ability to categorize notes. Please don't go ahead and lecture me about the differences, the point of this thread is folding text and outlining, right?

[PinkElephant 8,091]

EN introduced 3 header levels when they released the new editor. Currently it is just that, headers in a text & content file. I don’t expect this is all about it.

I think (without any inside knowledge) that we will see a little system build around it, with outlining, collapsing sections, bookmarks you can directly jump to, standard settings and maybe the chance to publish notes and notebooks as a blog or site to the web.

It would create a complete new set of use cases, web publishing without all the trouble. IMHO just a question when this happens (and I could be wrong).

[gazumped 11,657]

1 hour ago, mat_rhein said:

folding text would help alleviate the need for more structure and enable oversight in large documents.

I always hate the term "large document" - seems to me an accident waiting to happen.  A lot of eggs in one basket a fumble-fingered moment,  a mouse twitch,  or a dropped connection away from being accidentally corrupted or deleted.  Plus large documents take time to download on a mobile connection.  I prefer lots of small notes tied together by titles or tags.  (Or Notebooks!)

Since I moved to using notebooks as a kind of saved search - all my Amazon orders are in |Amazon,  my automated zaps in |Zapier - I started using Workflowy as a kind of index to save links direct to notes, open templates etc..  Seems to work quite well for me - YMMV

[DTLow 5,736]

9 minutes ago, gazumped said:

I always hate the term "large document" ...

Right, my use of the Evernote editor is for notes, which by definition are short

I use a word processing app for "large documents"   
They are stored in Evernote as a note attachment file   
And added benefit is the outlining functions of the word processing app

[PinkElephant 8,091]

Short notes are generally the better way - but I think there are use cases where some more text could be the call of the day, and bringing structure (visual as contextual) to a document is a good idea.

EN already has upgraded the editor to create and handle H1H2H3 - they just have to make the next - IMHO logical - step to add some functionality to it now.

One use case could be a template: Created with all content, then collapsed and saved in collapsed mode. When you make a new note from it, you can expand the section to which you are adding your content, but it always stays in a compacted view. 

Or a daily log, for a month. Everything collapsed and by this not disturbing, open is only the actual day.

I am sure if this was added, there would be al million more ideas how to make use of it.

[Paul LeoGrande 2]

Please add this!  I have been using Evernote for years, and have within the past 6 months returned to school and NEED this function for active recall.  I have half of my notes in Evernote, and half in Notion.  I use the active recall notes in Notion, and the regular class notes and OCR in evernnote....I would LOVE to have all of my studies and notes in one place.  Please consider.  

[Lightseeker99 1]

Toggle list please like Notion!

[Ivoryn 0]

++ Just leaving my support for an Outline Feature Update

[Rostislav Palivoda 1]

Expand/ Collapse for text blocks would be great feature. As a future improvement it might be nested expand collapse similar to mind map organization of information. I still think it required inside single note and splitting info between multiple notes some times does not make sense - its changing very fast. 

[Leif Hansen 4]

For an app that focused on notes to not have collapsing is kind of ridiculous.  It's currently the only feature that keeps me from using Evernote as my one source of notes.   Without collapsible outlines or text, info in notes just becomes cumbersome.  So yes, a big note from a lifetime Evernote paid user here...

[Paul LeoGrande 2]

I have been exploring Craft after 7 years with Evernote. It does have toggle options. Only thing that is missing is ocr and that is being worked on. 

[everajl 2]

Starting a new job and revisiting my note taking options. Collapsable sections and bullets seems like a no brainer to at least keep up with the competitors in the space. Additionally, having a sort of floating outline/table of contents would be helpful. 

[Paul LeoGrande 2]

I have begun migrating all of my data from Evernote to Craft.  They are amazing regarding communication on updates, and already have toggle lists.  With OCR coming in the next couple of weeks, it's a no brainer.  

[PinkElephant 8,091]

If it works for you, fine. Since everybody’s use cases are individual, everybody needs to find out for himself. Thanks for contributing.

[Paul LeoGrande 2]

Yes.  I wish this was not the case, but currently, I really do not have a choice.  It's a very important feature and is just too important in regards to the workflow for me at this point.  hopefully, Evernote changes this down the line.  

 

Thanks, 

[PinkElephant 8,091]

A typical workaround would be to use a word processor, and place the file as an attachment into the note.

This not only gives outlining, it has many more features missing in a basic editing environment like EN.

[Marcin Kupilas 0]

This would be a really good feature for me. I am thinking whether to purchase Evernote premium, or switch to OneNote as they have a version of such a feature. OneNote's feature allows you to collapse sub-bullet points to only show the parent bullet, which can subsequently be expanded. Personally, I would be very satisfied if only this was introduced.

[gazumped 11,657]

On 8/28/2021 at 6:51 PM, Marcin Kupilas said:

This would be a really good feature for me. I am thinking whether to purchase Evernote premium, or switch to OneNote as they have a version of such a feature. OneNote's feature allows you to collapse sub-bullet points to only show the parent bullet, which can subsequently be expanded. Personally, I would be very satisfied if only this was introduced.

Don't know how close Evernote is to introducing anything or even if they're trying.  Since they don't (usually) do feature announcements we'll only know if/ when a new update is released.  Meantime I can quite easily use bullets via a link in my notes to Workflowy and a link from there back to the note...

[future natural 0]

On 7/12/2018 at 3:32 PM, CraigD said:

Dear Evernote Dev Team,

I am an long-time Evernote Premium user, fan and advocate. It is part of my daily workflow, for hours per day I might add. You guys have done a wonderful job with this product and my hat goes off to you... However, this feature would be HUGE to me, and apparently many others. PLEASE consider adding this feature sooner than later. As mentioned, I am loyal but I have begun to research alternatives that would offer this feature. I really don't want to switch though. just being honest You guys rock!!!

Best Regards, Craig

Adding my voice to this feature addition.

We're well aware that it seems to be Notion's USP. Adding it to Evernote would make you supreme beings. 

[Please] Do it!! 

[gazumped 11,657]

On 8/30/2021 at 5:33 PM, gazumped said:

Don't know how close Evernote is to introducing anything or even if they're trying.  Since they don't (usually) do feature announcements we'll only know if/ when a new update is released.  Meantime I can quite easily use bullets via a link in my notes to Workflowy and a link from there back to the note...

That previous link seems not to work for some reason - try this one:  this is workflowy

[Shyredfox 0]

A collapsible list would be fabulous for my book editing! I only need to see the list for the chapter I'm on. Don't want to split it up into different notes or it will get to confusing for me.

[PinkElephant 8,091]

Currently the note is the entity, no more breakdown into smaller segments inside of it.

Plus there is another reason to avoid text notes with a lot of text: They seem to be at a greater risk of syncing problems, which can lead to duplication and data loss.

If you set up a notebook for your book project, and start the title of the notes with a numbering system that reproduce your books structure, you can easily sort the notes by title. You can create empty notes already numbered and titled, and fill them later with content.

Create a Table of Content TOC note from all notes, for the overview. I am pretty sure you will find it easier and more focused to navigate your book project this way, than by large text notes.

Or take a look at real authoring programs, like Scrivener or Ulysses.

[Shyredfox 0]

I know what I need for my writing and use 'real authoring programs'. They have not met my needs for this project. You came across as quite presumptive, PinkElephant.

[DTLow 5,736]

3 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Or take a look at real authoring programs, like ...

Many word processing apps support outlining (example MS Word, Apple Pages) 
The document can be stored in Evernote as a note file attachment

[PinkElephant 8,091]

On 9/25/2021 at 7:18 PM, Shyredfox said:

I know what I need for my writing and use 'real authoring programs'. They have not met my needs for this project. You came across as quite presumptive, PinkElephant.

Large text notes are reported in the forum as victims of synchronisation problems. v10 is "always syncing" - maybe it clashes with the rearrangement of text while editing. You are gambling with your content, not mine.

But as you know everything already, and are not interested in learning, I wish you luck. Maybe it helps.

[AlbertR 531]

@PinkElephant said: "v10 is "always syncing" - maybe it clashes with the rearrangement of text while editing."

YEP - a big problem not even in context of missing text collapsing features. If I would be a ProductOwner, I would elevate stability of well known functions to the highest priority. But immediately thereafter - text collapsing 😉

[PinkElephant 8,091]

@AlbertR I agree - it would be nice if the text size would play no role, and a note could be structured in a better way (outlining, in-note-tags, whatever). If you think about 80 characters per line, 40 lines per page, 500 pages per book, you could fit the text of 30 books into a single 200MB note. Hard to navigate without any tools.

Unfortunately the current v10 client was IMHO not build to house large writing projects in a single note. Maybe this will be changed one day, but currently the only ways to handle it is to break long notes down into several smaller ones - or use a tool build for authoring.

Using legacy could help with the sensitivity to syncing - but not with navigation, and when such notes are opened on other devices lacking a legacy option, problems will be back.

If I were EN I would not introduce outlining or in-note-tags before the syncing issue is not resolved. Maybe this is exactly what is happening …

[jeffreygoujon 1]

I am 100% behind this idea. It's one of only two things that is stopping me from subscribing to premium, the other being the ability to create a Table of Contents based on the Large/Medium/Small Headings within a note. I'm considering switching to Notion or Coda for these features.

[Steve Escott 16]

Please implement Collapsible Tree notes. This is a huge minus right now for Evernote. I use Evernote for everything - except my tree-notes, which I still use OneNote for. Bummer.

[gazumped 11,657]

2 hours ago, Steve Escott said:

Please implement Collapsible Tree notes. This is a huge minus right now for Evernote. I use Evernote for everything - except my tree-notes, which I still use OneNote for. Bummer.

Meantime I use Workflowy.  Copy/ paste links to WF content,  and include Evernote links back to a note,

[HousingCoach 2]

I have some notes that go on and on which I have been breaking apart into separate notes and then not remembering which note had the piece that I needed to refer back to. Then when I was building my website and added a longer data collection form I used a collapsible section in that form and suddenly I can't imagine not having this feature in Evernote. This feature alone would be worth the price of admission.

I'm not prone to begging but.... please, please, please, make me some collapsible dividers/sections in individual notes!!! Thank you in advance!

[PinkElephant 8,091]

As I would like to see this feature emerge one day, a word of caution: Giving that currently EN treats the entire note as building block, outlining or setting in-note markers is a major change. I doubt we will see it any time soon.

Using a TOC note and linking notes together are at the moment the best way to organize larger bodies of text into an integration.

[aukirk 367]

1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

Giving that currently EN treats the entire note as building block, outlining or setting in-note markers is a major change. I doubt we will see it any time soon.

While the length of time this feature request has been pending probably means you are right... There are several examples where "EN treats the entire note as a building block" is not true.... the introduction of "draggable" bullet/checklist items with the new editor seemed to suggest to me that this feature is coming.  But maybe that is wishful thinking.

[PinkElephant 8,091]

😄

You are right, my hope was outlining is around the corner when the new editor finally got H1-H2-H3 header levels. But as you say, hope dies last.

Maybe on this EN will surprise us all, one day.

[Pezo19 0]

THIS IS A MUST HAVE IN 2021!

The moment any other alternative which already has outline is going to implement colors what Evernote has, I leave Evernote if it still wont have outline, at least a simple collapse.

[PinkElephant 8,091]

When I read one more of this **** Posts telling „and if not, I will leave“, I always think: Could you guys please agree on a date for your action, and do it ?

Because I am convinced the next day EN would roll out all these features, for sure ready for launch since years, and only held back because of these **** postings. Nobody enjoys to release valuable, precious new features to such an ignorant, disrespectful mob.

[patrickhart1 0]

I’m done with Evernote. This is just ridiculous.

[James Longley 90]

9 minutes ago, patrickhart1 said:

I’m done with Evernote. This is just ridiculous.

Literally no one cares 

[Katerina512 0]

I really wish the collapsible text / toggle lists were part of Evernote. I can't imagine any serious user with a large amount of content on Evernote not needing this. Particularly if you are using it for work or university.

I have been with Evernote for 9 years so it would be a real pain for me to move to another app and I don't want to use more than one app if I can avoid it. Life is complicated enough. But this really is the only (and I mean the only) feature that after all these years makes me think that Evernote is not keeping up or in touch with users.

Is there any indication at all that they are thinking of adding this?

[gazumped 11,657]

1 hour ago, Katerina512 said:

I can't imagine any serious user with a large amount of content on Evernote not needing this. Particularly if you are using it for work or university.

Hmmn.  I have 55,000 notes and have used Evernote pretty much exclusively for 12 years.  Amongst other things I'm a technical author and copywriter.  Evernote does fine for me.

1 hour ago, Katerina512 said:

I don't want to use more than one app if I can avoid it. Life is complicated enough.

Having said which I also use Workflowy for outlining - and as a sort of quick look-up index for my Evernote detailed notes.  Alongside Outlook for mail / LibreOffice and MSOffice for various spreadsheet, presentation and writing tasks / Freeplane for MindMapping / LinkedIn for business contacts / Lightroom & Flickr for photography / Fusion 360 for 3D printing / Calibre for books and documents / Phrase Express for text expansion... and about 20 specialised Chrome extensions for everything from clipping to social media posts.

Welcome to the wonderful world of IT!

[PinkElephant 8,091]

Until the „one app that does it all“ is there, it is a bloated, unusable piece of junk. I see this bloating tendency as well in many feature request here.

I rather prefer a lean (yes), reliable (mainly) and performant (well …) app that keeps it simple.

[DTLow 5,736]

5 hours ago, Katerina512 said:

. I can't imagine any serious user with a large amount of content on Evernote not needing this.

I have a large amount of content on Evernote"

My notes do not need outlining

Some of my word processing documents need outlining.
I use the Apple Pages editor, and store the document as a note file attachment

[Alcafs 3]

On 10/10/2021 at 1:19 AM, PinkElephant said:

As I would like to see this feature emerge one day, a word of caution: Giving that currently EN treats the entire note as building block, outlining or setting in-note markers is a major change. I doubt we will see it any time soon.

Using a TOC note and linking notes together are at the moment the best way to organize larger bodies of text into an integration.

Good to know.

Do you happen to know if EN is likely to give us any lead time or heads up on this one? The lack of communication can be frustrating, not knowing what is coming ahead of time and whether particular requests are at all considered or ignored.

The forum is where community discussion is meant to take place and where we can vote for what users want, but EN staff don't get involved on the fourm (as far as I can tell, bar one or two individual posts) and - if I recall correctly, though I'm reluctant to even state this - I believe the forum is seen to be too "toxic" to be interacted with?

I've followed this post for some time and I would agree there is toxicity - but with posting rules and a moderator, those posts can be deleted as often as needed and a real conversation can take place. A lack of response from EN on top-voted community feature requests can only build frustration.

[gazumped 11,657]

31 minutes ago, Alcafs said:

A lack of response from EN on top-voted community feature requests can only build frustration.

Evernote,  like most developers,  doesn't (usually*) comment on whether or not a feature request is in development,  or - if it is - when it's likely to be released.  It's not a question of toxicity,  but you can guarantee that if the company said that (forinstance) "in-note links will be included with the next release" there will be a flood of responses demanding

• more details of exactly how this will be implemented
• more details of the level of subscription required - and why isn't it available to Free users?
• exact dates for the release
• why this is being prioritised above <insert favourite missing feature here>
• why this has taken so long

...plus objections to adding more 'clutter' to the UI and a flood of new suggestions about exactly how it should work.

And if they gave a date...

Because of another issue - server problems,  web outages,  whatever;  the next release may be delayed - queue the usual suspects flooding the forum with further demands on release date +1 - "You said this would be released..."

- So they'd rather keep their people actually working on developments instead of defending them.

* And yes,  I know they trailed v10 rather heavily,  but that was a special deal.  

 

 

 

[Alcafs 3]

42 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Evernote,  like most developers,  doesn't (usually*) comment on whether or not a feature request is in development,  or - if it is - when it's likely to be released.  It's not a question of toxicity,  but you can guarantee that if the company said that (forinstance) "in-note links will be included with the next release" there will be a flood of responses demanding

• more details of exactly how this will be implemented
• more details of the level of subscription required - and why isn't it available to Free users?
• exact dates for the release
• why this is being prioritised above <insert favourite missing feature here>
• why this has taken so long

...plus objections to adding more 'clutter' to the UI and a flood of new suggestions about exactly how it should work.

And if they gave a date...

Because of another issue - server problems,  web outages,  whatever;  the next release may be delayed - queue the usual suspects flooding the forum with further demands on release date +1 - "You said this would be released..."

- So they'd rather keep their people actually working on developments instead of defending them.

* And yes,  I know they trailed v10 rather heavily,  but that was a special deal.  

 

 

 

I don't mean to suggest they give us a date, only that they say "we've seen this requested feature" and perhaps a "it will be considered fully at the appropriate time in the future, it is on the roadmap (unscheduled)".

Perhaps we've already had something like that on some of these feature requests, but those messages are few and far apart.

Just any recognition that they agree/conceed that it's a valid feature request that they would *like* to see - that would be enough for me.

[PinkElephant 8,091]

Sorry, but this sounds like „give us a bit thin hot air to make us feel happy“ to me. And next week - more of the same ? Until the balloon 🎈 flies ?

It is called expectation management, you employ some highly paid spin doctors to do it. I prefer they get some more devs for that money, and continue coding, testing and releasing.

[gazumped 11,657]

2 hours ago, Alcafs said:

"we've seen this requested feature" and perhaps a "it will be considered fully at the appropriate time in the future, it is on the roadmap (unscheduled)".

I think you can assume that any suggested feature is on list somewhere,  and will be referred to whenever the company is doing maintenance or considering updates in that area.  Bear in mind that Evernote get thousands of feature requests,  running from "I don't like the shade of green you use" to "why not add outlining and mind maps as optional layouts".

Every suggestion has to go through a process of

• Is this even possible? (Bearing in mind multiple devices / screen sizes / OS's)
• How much will it cost?
• Of our 200M+ users,  from students to astronauts - how many would actively use this?
• What will it cost in speed / bandwidth terms?

- and even if it meets all these tests (and probably dozens more) a "minor" improvement may mean substantially rewriting a big chunk of code to add the extra links for the new bit to fit in.  That might get put off until that particular code needs an annual review anyway - due in a couple of years - to get planned in to any other work that comes up in the meantime.

So even if someone said "We'll look into this" - it may not happen for years,  and if a different bit of development takes priority,  or user needs change,  maybe not even then.

But for ever after:  cue endless reminders of "when is this coming?" ...  "You said you'd consider it..."

I'm with @PinkElephant - I'd rather they just hide in their bunker and get on with whatever they're doing.  If the app fits my needs,  I'll continue using it.  If there are glitches,  I'll find work-arounds;  and if it becomes unusable - I'm outta here. 

No dramatic flounces,  no impassioned statements - just a faint smell of brimstone and a drifting tumbleweed...

[Katerina512 0]

On 10/16/2021 at 2:18 PM, gazumped said:

Hmmn.  I have 55,000 notes and have used Evernote pretty much exclusively for 12 years.  Amongst other things I'm a technical author and copywriter.  Evernote does fine for me.

How long are your notes, on average?

[DTLow 5,736]

22 minutes ago, Katerina512 said:

How long are your notes, on average?

Do you differentiate between notes and doucuments? 

[gazumped 11,657]

3 hours ago, Katerina512 said:

How long are your notes, on average?

? No clue.  Including images and clipped web pages the overall average note size is something like 600K - but my point was that for all normal purposes I use Evernote for narrative content;  I'll switch to Workflowy for lists - and I have some hundreds (possibly thousands) of notes there,  arranged in a hierarchy that I can shut down to a dozen global headings and expand out again as required.  The detail of a task - clips,  files and tasks/ reminders is in Evernote,  but my 'quick reference guide' to get to a list of that detail is in WF.

[Vidierre 0]

The collapsible sections are needed! Why Evernote is waiting so much? I am a PRO users since 2010 but this is a big lack ...

[YoYiXxX 0]

It's been 10 years and no progress on this?

[right_to_rage 8]

This would be help a ton!

[markjl 54]

So outlining was requested in 2011 - ten years ago? 

Wow that was before I even knew about it.

Please provide as per Notion and Nimbus

[PinkElephant 8,091]

There are 2 ways to look at it: It was proposed in 2011, quite a long time to implement it ! It was proposed in 2011, and the app is still there without it - why implement it ?

Personally I hope the introduction of 3 header levels is not only meant to make formatting easier. But we don’t know for sure before it is not released for good.

[markjl 54]

4 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

There are 2 ways to look at it: It was proposed in 2011, quite a long time to implement it ! It was proposed in 2011, and the app is still there without it - why implement it ?

Personally I hope the introduction of 3 header levels is not only meant to make formatting easier. But we don’t know for sure before it is not released for good.

Its useful

[nolan12 0]

Is this on the roadmap yet?! 

Such a huge feature for being able to test my own knowledge using my notes in real time.

[PinkElephant 8,091]

This thread was started more than 10 years ago, and it still draws comments and postings. Think about this when asking whether it is on the roadmap „YET“.

Unless you find something in their blog or in YT videos, EN practically never comments on which features will appear next. Could be this one, although I doubt it.

[markjl 54]

While Evernote has been strong in storage up to the glitches around v10, it needs to look at the competition (Nimbus, Notion) who have blocks and outlines, making them composing tools and not just storage. Maybe composing is not in their use case. Tasks weren’t. Now they are because of Todoist and others. The roadmap should be stability and performance first, then functionality to avoid losing users, or maybe gain some. But it’s their choice.

[markjl 54]

I don’t know how long but in an ideal world you protect users by handling the instability in dev, then release.

I know it’s easy to preach from the choir but aren’t there enough people shouting ‘overboard’ to make them think?

Perhaps a uservoice type forum would help.

Whatever they release, couldn’t they clue us in as to where ‘we’ are going. The flip side of losing competitive advantage is to reinforce existing customer loyalty which brings new users by recommendation.

Every small trader knows that word of mouth is number one….

[nolan12 0]

15 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

This thread was started more than 10 years ago, and it still draws comments and postings. Think about this when asking whether it is on the roadmap „YET“.

Unless you find something in their blog or in YT videos, EN practically never comments on which features will appear next. Could be this one, although I doubt it.

More of a rhetorical question, emphasizing the feature I'm looking for. And maybe there's a reason why it still draws comments and posts...

Kind of sick of people in these forums shooting other people's ideas down when that's all they are: ideas!

[PinkElephant 8,091]

Maybe we have a different idea about shooting. My post was only relating the experience that EN practically never comments on features under development - neither on features NOT under development.

There is no way to know what is on their roadmap, and „yet“ probably does not give the necessary tribute to an idea that is „maturing“ in the forum since 10 years. I have voted this thread up quite a time ago, and would like to see it implemented as anybody here.

[DTLow 5,736]

19 hours ago, nolan12 said:

Is this on the roadmap yet?! 

We don't get to see the "roadmap", but I've not seen anything that indicates Evernote is interested in implementing a text collapse feature

>>Such a huge feature for being able to test my own knowledge using my notes in real time.

An interesting use case   
I'd suggest using an external editor that supports this feature    
The document can be stored in Evernote as a note file attachment

[PinkElephant 8,091]

Personally I thought that when the Header 1-2-3 text style formatting was introduced with v10, we would see an outlining based on this feature. But up to now it has not materialized.

It seems it is still wait and see ...

[moslien 1]

Any update on this? Text collapse would be a game changer for Evernote as note taking app and I was hopeful after EN introduced header styles, but I really consider moving away from Evernote due to lack of this. 

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3 hours ago, moslien said:

Any update on this?

Nope,  sorry.  I've said many times before that I use the third-party solution Workflowy which has a lot of useful features including being able to link to copy paste content into Evernote,  or a link to a specific parent node like this https://workflowy.com/s/workflowy-example/4qIRwbRIgaJZGUx4

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22 hours ago, AlexJG said:

and note taking is not possible with it

Hi.  I think you mean 'without it' and I think you're wrong.  I've struggled to 56,000 notes and counting without this particular feature (although I admit I use Workflowy when I need it...) and whilst (I think) this is the most requested feature,  the fact that it's not happened yet suggests that either 1) Evernote have this on their route plan for some point when the necessary code changes will be part of bigger upgrades or 2) It ain't gonna happen.  Your move...

[DTLow 5,736]

23 hours ago, AlexJG said:

Long notes are messy

Long notes is an oxymoron, but I agree with you
I use documents and word processing editor     
The document is stored in Evernote as a note file attachment

[markjl 54]

This is where the evernote paradigm confronts the competition. There is a workflow where you do the research, clip into notes, brainstorm and then write. Outlining is part of this process, establishes a plan for your content, distinguishes heading from content body etc. Why use an outside word processor if you can kill the content in context?

[PinkElephant 8,091]

The reason why using an external software is proposed is simple: Because it works NOW, independent from any action by EN.

A more refined argument says you can use an outlining method of your choice, like mindmapping.

But of course we would like it if EN would finally add an outlining feature - it would make sense even with notes that are not reaching the length of a Tolstoi novel 😉

[markjl 54]

Indeed for the same reason, Nimbus works great

[Boot17 1,446]

I would also like to see text collapse and a side-bar table of contents (along with back-linking and '[[' for in-edit place linking), but this...

On 12/25/2021 at 3:44 PM, AlexJG said:

this simple function (and I am a soft dev so yes, it's simple)

is a ridiculous statement and just shows that even if you were a software developer, you are not a very experienced one... "It's just one button!" /s

Also this attitude...

On 12/25/2021 at 3:44 PM, AlexJG said:

Make it or i'm out

Sheesh

[DTLow 5,736]

32 minutes ago, Boot17 said:

(along with back-linking and '[[' for in-edit place linking)

Off Topic, but an you explain the '[['

[CalS 5,280]

7 hours ago, DTLow said:

Off Topic, but an you explain the '[['

It sounds like WorkFlowy. 

• [[ is the keyboard shortcut in WF that lets you search for the "node" you want to link in the current node. 
• (( is the keyboard shortcut in WF that lets you search for the "node" you want to mirror in the current node.  Mirrored = changes anywhere of a mirrored node (children too) update all instances of the mirrored node everywhere.  What folks who want duplicate notes seek.  
• WF uses the left panel as a shortcuts bar of a sorts.  Items in the sidebar can zoom in - zoom out.  

[evrik 3]

Please bring this feature at least for headers now. It will be really efficient for everyone, especially for those who have long notes like me. The text between two same type headers can be collapsible, like in MS Word. I am having a really hard time finding the line where I was in a long note, since Evernote constantly takes me to the top of the note. For example when I open or close the spell check, or make any adjustment, or even when I do not interfere for a while, the note refreshes itself and takes me to the top. There could also be an improvement for this.

[AlexJG 2]

On 12/27/2021 at 6:25 AM, DTLow said:

Long notes is an oxymoron, but I agree with you
I use documents and word processing editor     
The document is stored in Evernote as a note file attachment

Nice idea, I use MS Word rarely but in desktop then bring into an Evernote doc thanks for the share that will work for me

[AlexJG 2]

On 12/27/2021 at 5:30 AM, gazumped said:

Hi.  I think you mean 'without it' and I think you're wrong.  I've struggled to 56,000 notes and counting without this particular feature (although I admit I use Workflowy when I need it...) and whilst (I think) this is the most requested feature,  the fact that it's not happened yet suggests that either 1) Evernote have this on their route plan for some point when the necessary code changes will be part of bigger upgrades or 2) It ain't gonna happen.  Your move...

I think it's a complex update for Evernote given their current structure (a guess). Have you come accross the concepts of 2nd brain and 2-directional linking? I too have a very large bank of notes going back to 2003 and now as I summarise and re-write I see how much I've re-written notes. This feature I'm now using in Notion also for summarising learnings gives that immediate high-level summary of headings, and I can open up and drill down as needed. Using this in clickup the past 2 months has proven very buggy; we created an example in flutter and yes in all honesty was complicated and tricky, assume vastly more complex for Evernote depending on their code structure. Yup I'm moving on, but only for journalling for the 2-directional linking, keeping Evernote for generic capture and, due to the nice comment above I can use ms word in collab with Evernote for desktop (I personally love an offline solution and Obsidian is uncomfortable with a lot of screenshots and web clips which is my use case). 

[AlexJG 2]

On 12/28/2021 at 2:07 AM, Boot17 said:

I would also like to see text collapse and a side-bar table of contents (along with back-linking and '[[' for in-edit place linking), but this...

is a ridiculous statement and just shows that even if you were a software developer, you are not a very experienced one... "It's just one button!" /s

Also this attitude...

Sheesh

Apologies for the bluntness, a minimal late night fast scribble message - but you could have shared the full sentence 😉 context is everything no? A much loved product, but for about 6 months I've used outlining in Notion and even in MS Word, can't live without it so it's a must have for me, make it or break it feature. As a software builder I would want to know if my users were going to leave, so I shared as I would want to have it shared to me, direct or otherwise.

 

[markjl 54]

No longer expecting Evernote to respond to user requests.

I'll probably be gone by the time they get round to it

[PinkElephant 8,091]

Statements by EN are scarce in the forum. This is easy to see, and after 163 posts there should be sufficient experience in how things are going here.

Who decides to wait for them instills expectation in himself first, to see it disappointed over time.

Everybody may do whatever he wants, but I can think of more positive hobbies. It helps to post regular critical comments here, however. So if EN bashing is the target, a solid negative mood is a big advantage. In this respect: Well done ….

[RJLUK 307]

33 minutes ago, markjl said:

No longer expecting Evernote to respond to user requests.

I'll probably be gone by the time they get round to it

Well it has been requested for 10 years give them time......

[xmarklar 2]

Evernote:  Known for its attentiveness to customer requests! ☹️

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1 minute ago, xmarklar said:

Evernote:  Known for its attentiveness to customer requests! ☹️

Unlike Apple / Microsoft / Facebook...   ?

[TheLittlestBuilder 0]

Please please do this! This is one of my favorite/the most useful feature of Workflowy and why I still use it over Evernote. I would love to bring all of my work into Evernote, but my very long lists drown me and I go back to Workflowy.