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Very sad that most reviews on the Google play store for the month of January are just a single star. I really hope the developers will get their act together. A lot of people are obviously not too happy with this new "Electron" powered version. Love Evernote too much to see it go under. Thanks.

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I totally support this. Very sad. Just compare the speed of capturing documents EN8.13.3 vs EN10.4. From fast to deadly slow. Knowing the slow down is based on the new code foundation I think EN may never be that fluent as we knew it for years. No helpy tool for everyday use anymore.

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Yeah, Evernote is pretty much game over. I recommend exporting/moving your notes before it's too late. Who knows what will happen next! 

This version should have never been released. Astonishing decision by management. This was the final nail in the coffin for Evernote. Mark my words. 😒

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Evernote has made enormous progress in the last 2 years. 2 years ago there were 5 different code bases and a thoroughly outdated back-end. None of the apps worked correctly. Now there's a unified code base and a modern back-end. Releases happen regularly and each one makes the app better, with improvements in speed and functionality. This has been pretty obvious for the last few months.

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5 minutes ago, ehrt74 said:

Evernote has made enormous progress in the last 2 years. 2 years ago there were 5 different code bases and a thoroughly outdated back-end. None of the apps worked correctly. Now there's a unified code base and a modern back-end. Releases happen regularly and each one makes the app better, with improvements in speed and functionality. This has been pretty obvious for the last few months.

You may be right but this view is obviously not shared by most of the users, and again I use the reviews on play store, if this can be termed a true reflection of what actual users, not just the developers, think. Change must be beneficial to the end users. It might be worth finding out what the actual expectations of these end users are and why they believe it is not being met. Like I said earlier, personally, I love Evernote, it has made me more organised and more productive. However, if people don't use it, it might end up going under and that for me is a major concern. 

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5 minutes ago, niikassim said:

You may be right but this view is obviously not shared by most of the users, and again I use the reviews on play store, if this can be termed a true reflection of what actual users, not just the developers, think. Change must be beneficial to the end users. It might be worth finding out what the actual expectations of these end users are and why they believe it is not being met. Like I said earlier, personally, I love Evernote, it has made me more organised and more productive. However, if people don't use it, it might end up going under and that for me is a major concern. 

I'm not sure if most users dislike v10 of evernote, particularly the Android app, which was (in my opinion) better than v8 the day the first version was launched. Play store reviews can be gamed quite easily.

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1 hour ago, ehrt74 said:

Releases happen regularly and each one makes the app better, with improvements in speed and functionality. This has been pretty obvious for the last few months.

I'm sure you mean that for Windows/Mac and not for Android. 😛

I mean, I agree that unified code was a good solution, but so many months with barely any progress on Android is a massive fail in my eyes. Why is Android neglected if it's now easy to make changes across platforms because of the unified code?
But I do agree. The work they have done on Windows platform is small but at least regular. I want that on Android.

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2 minutes ago, matej1990 said:

I'm sure you mean that for Windows/Mac and not for Android. 😛

I mean, I agree that unified code was a good solution, but so many months with barely any progress on Android is a massive fail in my eyes. Why is Android neglected if it's now easy to make changes across platforms because of the unified code?
But I do agree. The work they have done on Windows platform is small but at least regular. I want that on Android.

the update to 10.4 happened last month, i think. let's see when the next update comes :)

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58 minutes ago, ehrt74 said:

I'm not sure if most users dislike v10 of evernote, particularly the Android app, which was (in my opinion) better than v8 the day the first version was launched. Play store reviews can be gamed quite easily.

That's quite the statement. Have you seen (and read) all the 1-star reviews in the play store? You can't possibly think that v10 is better than V8 after that. Also, a note taking app which takes five seconds to open, is just not competitive. 

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1 minute ago, ryhol said:

That's quite the statement. Have you seen (and read) all the 1-star reviews in the play store? You can't possibly think that v10 is better than V8 after that. Also, a note taking app which takes five seconds to open, is just not competitive. 

Well, I can say it, because that is what i have experienced. v8 was fairly terrible. v10 is (in my opinion) a lot better.

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19 minutes ago, ehrt74 said:

the update to 10.4 happened last month, i think. let's see when the next update comes :)

Yeah 1 small update in 2 months? And now it's 1 month since v10.4 release. Compare that to EN Windows version update cycle. Every 1-2 weeks there is an update. Small one for sure, but still...

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19 hours ago, matej1990 said:

Yeah 1 small update in 2 months? And now it's 1 month since v10.4 release. Compare that to EN Windows version update cycle. Every 1-2 weeks there is an update. Small one for sure, but still...

Just got another update for the Android app today :) I'm now on 10.5 (1110172)

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Same here! I guess Evernote staff IS indeed reading this forum! We should rant more often, it's working!!! :P 

Joking (or not?) aside, it took them 1 month for new update. V10.4 was released on 14. January.
Release notes for v10.5 (1110172):

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Got to test if "squashed many bugs" is true. :D 

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Still waiting for

15 minutes ago, matej1990 said:

Same here! I guess Evernote staff IS indeed reading this forum! We should rant more often, it's working!!! :P 

Joking (or not?) aside, it took them 1 month for new update. V10.4 was released on 14. January.
Release notes for v10.5 (1110172):

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Got to test if "squashed many bugs" is true. :D 

Still waiting for my update. Hopefully my "annoying" bugs have also been squashed 😆

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1 hour ago, niikassim said:

Still waiting for

Still waiting for my update. Hopefully my "annoying" bugs have also been squashed 😆

mm, one of my annoying bugs didn't get fixed 😕 oh well, maybe in the next version (creating an activity log with language set to german results in the button for "accept" being pushed below the confirmation window and so being unclickable -> workaround: rotate the screen)

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I just went in and changed my 9 year old 5 star review to 1 star. Unreliable and unusable. Sometimes it opens up in 10 seconds. Other times it takes over a minute of staring at the green elephant. Old version always worked quickly and reliably. 

I don't need my notes on mobile often, but when I do, I need them now. I can't wait for whatever random thing is happening in the background. 

Worst UX I have ever experienced. And that's saying something coming up from DOS 1.0 to now.

 

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5 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

What is happening ?

Who believes in a 5-star ranking in any of these internet stores probably believes as well that Santa is bringing the presents.

You may be surprised at the number of people that still believe that Santa brings presents, me not included though 😁😂.

I think loads of people out there still make decisions on app choices based on play store ratings. May not be accurate or may be totally hogwash but some still do.

So as suggested in my earlier post, EN may just want to look at the comments on the play store and take a few of them on board. That is if they are not already doing that.

 

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7 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

What is happening ?

Who believes in a 5-star ranking in any of these internet stores probably believes as well that Santa is bringing the presents.

I think it directly relates to the bad user experience a lot of users have with EN10 and therefore change their ratings...and write quiete often comprehensive comments on why they changed. Since there a very lot of ratings the decrease is based on quiet a lot of users. I consider this as serious sign to Evernote that it is not yet heading the right direction. Hopefully the will recover sooner than later. 🙏

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Well deserved indeed. Hard to believe that they thought releasing rubbish software wouldn't have consequences. 

The crazy thing is that the previous Evernote version was quite all right. 

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On 2/11/2021 at 6:58 AM, ehrt74 said:

Evernote has made enormous progress in the last 2 years. 2 years ago there were 5 different code bases and a thoroughly outdated back-end. None of the apps worked correctly. Now there's a unified code base and a modern back-end. Releases happen regularly and each one makes the app better, with improvements in speed and functionality. This has been pretty obvious for the last few months.

This aged poorly. Here we are in May and the app kills half my battery before it loads. Complete trash.

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13 minutes ago, ehrt74 said:

Oh, do you have a video of that? On my system Evernote loads in about 2s.

Wow I would love to see this in action (2s startup) and am still hoping Evernote will get to this point again. Which hardware do you use? I have middle-class samsung smartphones and tablets. Firing up Evernote on Android lasts between 8-13 seconds for me which is a real struggle when you need it now to scan or what ever. Every other app is up instantly or at max. 3 seconds. PS:  Evernote 8.13.3 did startl instantly on all my devices, as well. I am quiet missing this light weight and fluent user experience.

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3 hours ago, Alxa said:

Wow I would love to see this in action (2s startup) and am still hoping Evernote will get to this point again. Which hardware do you use? I have middle-class samsung smartphones and tablets. Firing up Evernote on Android lasts between 8-13 seconds for me which is a real struggle when you need it now to scan or what ever. Every other app is up instantly or at max. 3 seconds. PS:  Evernote 8.13.3 did startl instantly on all my devices, as well. I am quiet missing this light weight and fluent user experience.

I'm on a Samsung S20. Every release of V10 seems to be a bit faster. 

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10 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

I'm on a Samsung S20. Every release of V10 seems to be a bit faster. 

Evernote 8.x starts up in less than a second when NOT in memory. 

The Electron framework used in Evernote 10.x is infamously slow, bloated, and uses up resources, i.e. CPU and RAM like nothing else. Whoever is of the opinion that releasing Evernote before it was ready (and without the capability of having it fixed for months) was a good idea, is most likely the type of person who has not yet realised that Evernote is pretty much 'game over'. Check the Play Store reviews. Lessons can be learnt from this for future projects. For Evernote it's too late though. 

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7 hours ago, ryhol said:

Evernote 8.x starts up in less than a second when NOT in memory. 

The Electron framework used in Evernote 10.x is infamously slow, bloated, and uses up resources, i.e. CPU and RAM like nothing else. Whoever is of the opinion that releasing Evernote before it was ready (and without the capability of having it fixed for months) was a good idea, is most likely the type of person who has not yet realised that Evernote is pretty much 'game over'. Check the Play Store reviews. Lessons can be learnt from this for future projects. For Evernote it's too late though. 

Evernote 10 starts in 2s on my phone when not in memory.

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Yes, but you are on top hardware. I wonder how Evernote will ever get to get  EN10 running on older devices with even slower chipsets than one year old middle class devices running Android 11 now, that already take 10 seconds to start Evernote. Btw: I had to deinstall 10 eventually from my Galaxy Tab as it prevented me from getting things done in a reasonable time. Using legay 8.13.3 now feels like you switched from first to fifth gear directly.

7 minutes ago, ehrt74 said:

Evernote 10 starts in 2s on my phone when not in memory.

 

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22 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

Oh, do you have a video of that? On my system Evernote loads in about 2s.

I don't have a video and there's no need. Take a look around, you're the exception to the majority of user's experiences with this terrible update. Consecutive 1 star reviews on the play store for as long as you can scroll. 

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15 hours ago, whyisthissohard said:

I don't have a video and there's no need. Take a look around, you're the exception to the majority of user's experiences with this terrible update. Consecutive 1 star reviews on the play store for as long as you can scroll. 

I'm not sure I'm the exception. Evernote has hundreds of millions of users. Only a very small percentage are complaining.

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Only EN knows- I would be looking for metrics like subscription renewals and free-to-paid conversions.

Personally I think there is currently a hot spot of discontent with Android users. I don’t want to comment on it, I use no Android devices. There was a similar issue when the first iOS release was pushed on the devices. EN was able to fix this, since EN iOS 10.4 for me the app was usable again. But most iOS devices run the latest OS version, and the hardware is more homogeneous.

So no first hand idea about the Android situation - just that EN is obviously still working on it. On iOS they are already releasing new features the old app never had. From this I think it is possible to make a mobile client that works fine for most users.

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Evernote has hundreds of millions of downloads in playstores, yes. But how many use the app on a daily basis or at all (forced installations). The exact real user number is a secret of EN. And I think they have their metrics and are knowing. Since Evernote 10 for Android suffers from the performance issues since the introduction which is now 5 months of time I am not that optimistic that they could do much better with the new framework. Otherwise they would have put all effort in solving the major issues beforehand playing around with new features. For me I think using Evernote on Android without having the latest highend device will not be possible anymore. When you think about what EN Android is offering technically: text notes, audio, pictures - nothing really resource demanding - I cannot understand it. I am one of the average users, having several middle-class devices all suffering from the slowness of EN 10.

But it is the choice of Evernote, leaving behind the average users - maybe these are not often on premium. CEO has gone quiet for a long time again. I am wondering If we will ever get an official statement to this.

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9 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

I'm not sure I'm the exception. Evernote has hundreds of millions of users. Only a very small percentage are complaining.

The Evernote Play Store rating has nose dived in recent years (even before v10 was released but it accelerated since v10). I'm sure lots of people are perfectly happy, but there is plenty of evidence that a not insignificant number of Android users are very unhappy (myself included).

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9 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Only EN knows- I would be looking for metrics like subscription renewals and free-to-paid conversions.

Personally I think there is currently a hot spot of discontent with Android users. I don’t want to comment on it, I use no Android devices. There was a similar issue when the first iOS release was pushed on the devices. EN was able to fix this, since EN iOS 10.4 for me the app was usable again. But most iOS devices run the latest OS version, and the hardware is more homogeneous.

So no first hand idea about the Android situation - just that EN is obviously still working on it. On iOS they are already releasing new features the old app never had. From this I think it is possible to make a mobile client that works fine for most users.

The new Android app already has lots of features the old one didn't have. Working nested tags, table editing, much improved text formatting, working work chat, ... There's quite a long list.

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1 hour ago, ehrt74 said:

The new Android app already has lots of features the old one didn't have. Working nested tags, table editing, much improved text formatting, working work chat, ... There's quite a long list.

I think they should have maintained the old features before thinking of adding new ones. My workflow which requires editing of pdf docs in an external app is now completely broken. A workflow I spent countless hours mastering and perfecting. 

It is all well and good adding new features, that may or may not attract new users but I still believe they should have, at the very least maintained the old features when v10 was released.

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