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Hi,

I use Evernote since a lot of years now and it is my most used app daily for both all my personal and professional stuff. I have about 25.000 notes and thousand of tags.

Before v10, i was quite happy with it, at least on Windows, but i had sometimes, and more and more often, slowdowns and lags.

On Android it was more complicated : the application was often slow and i had often synchronisation conflict with my desktop app. So i wasn't using it when i could avoid. For instance, when i had something to add to Evernote when i was on mobile, i used my Todo app (Microsoft) to quickly add my note, and then, i copied it to an Evernote note when i was on my desktop. But i used a lot the capture web function on Android.

Anyway, i was thinking that maybe i could take a look on an alternative.., but never really did. When Evernote increased theirs prices, i was ok with this because i thought it was necessary to help Evernote developement. I tried the free alternative OneNote but it missed on essential feature for me : tags ! Am i right ? There isn't tags on OneNote ?!

And now, v10 is here. I was excited to try it to see if all my issues could be gone...., but.. :( : i created a topic Just installed Evernote 10 : scared where i list some of essential features missing :

On 11/19/2020 at 4:04 PM, nonobio said:

Hello,

I just installed Evernote 10, fortunately the windows 10 "store" version to keep my old desktop 6 in place.

I'm affraid of what will be the future of Evernote. For now, i can't imagine use the version 10 daily.

It miss too much essential features for me :

  • Display a note take at least 5 seconds with new version when it take about 2 with old one
  • If i display all notes with a selected tag and want to filter again by tags : it display all my tags, not only the tags of my displayed notes
  • I can't export all my notes as a backup solution ? (exen and html)
  • No "Synchronisation" button
  • No offline use ?!
  • Checkbox gone : it seems to be replaced by a checklist which strikethrought the text when checked and i can't put checkbox wherever i want; for instance in the same line or following.
  • Dropping url from my browser type the url. With old version it typed page name with html link.
  • No preferences settings ?!
  • Some of my notes (maybe a lot) have a "HTML content" indication at the beginning and i can't edit them before "simplify" them.

For now i will close Evernote 10 and go back with 6, but for how long ? I am worried about the future of Evernote.

Maybe it's time to look at an alternative :(

 

Since this message, i am waiting each new version to see if missing features or bug will be resolved. But i also often discover new missings :( .

And as if it wasn't enought, the new Evernote Android doesn't work anymore for me : i can't capture anymore ! I haven't all my notebooks synchronized and so it says "Loading" where i should choose the destination notebook. I can't use it anymore !

So : i have a v10 desktop version i can't use daily (i use legacy for the moment) and Android version that can't capture anymore.

Yes i should ask support for my issue on Android (maybe i will) but since last weeks, i have the feeling to not use a product but to help or work to devellop an unfinished product.

In my other post, some users tried to rassure me about v10 future, but i actually more than ever thinking to switch.

But is there really serious alternative ?

For my use, these are the important features i need :

  • A Windows application with ability to open notes in separate windows
  • An Android application : at least to be able to capture web content
  • Offline use
  • A Chrome extension to capture web content, and if possible with choice like : capture page, article, selection, etc.
  • Tags : i have some thousands of tags. I would like to be able to add one or more tags on notes and on web capture, search in all my tags, filter by tags (if possible with filter like the one in v6)
  • Reminders
  • Ability to add images to note, and it could be great to have option to compress images
  • Checkbox (like v6, with shortcut and not tranformed in checklist when i hit enter ! )
  • Internal links between notes
  • Keyboard shortcuts
  • Texte encryption
  • Drag and drop from browser URL
  • export or backup feature
  • and mostly : faster and more stable than Evernote if possible ! even on Android...
  • and i almost forgot : a way to import all my Evernote notes ! ;)

Does it exist or is Evernote always (even in v10) the best note application with theses features ?

Thanks :)

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6 minutes ago, nonobio said:

Does it exist or is Evernote always (even in v10) the best note application with theses features ?

There are a lot of folks unhappy with v10.  Some are trying other apps and some are using the legacy version while waiting to see if v10 develops into something they can use. There are already many other threads on this topic. The alternatives all have trade offs.  You will need to do the research to see which will work best for you.

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Check out https://www.noteapps.info/ where you can filter on the features you'd like and find an appropriate app among the ones indexed.

For me Evernote legacy is currently the best alternative, with Nimbus Note a close second. I've cancelled my EN premium and will decide what to do when my subscription runs out in the summer.

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Hi :)

Thanks for your replies and thanks a lot for your link Gnopps ! It is great !

I saved a lot of hours with this site !

This is the result of my filtering :

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So i will try Notion ;) .

But functions are a thing, but i would like to know how fast will be Notion with my 25000 notes and thousand of tags ?

Is there users with as much as items which could give a feedback ?

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I'm a long time EN user and staying with the Legacy version. I have looked at many alternatives over the last couple of years with varied success. They include Onenote, Notion, Nimbus, Joplin, Standard Notes and so on. I don't have the time to list all the specifics of why each failed, other than EN legacy remains a better solution until it is discontinued. So I continue to search and plan for my departure if necessary.

One application that looks promising is Notejoy. It does not check all the boxes but appears to have feature critical mass. Their free version is definitely worth a look. Review the release notes and feature request areas to get a sense of their development history and plan.

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I would recommend, no matter what you pick, to look for the following in your replacement:

1) Dedicated desktop app

2) Allows you to keep all your data locally. Make frequent backups.

3) Not written in Electron (like Evernote V10)

 

1 and 3, are because the sort of developers who use Electron (like Evernote V10), don't care for stability, or point releases. They want you on the "latest beta version" at all times, and expect to auto-update you to it. They don't care if your desktop experience limited by the limitations of web pages, and they will pull features whenever they feel like it. It's just easier for them to write a single app that works on desktop + mobile + web browser if they do this. Electron is a way of life to those people, the lowest common denominator where your app is a local webpage.

Unfortunately several note apps I tried, such as Standard Notes and Joplin, are written in Electron. It's understandable given that they're written by lone developers. But it makes for a poorer experience if you're comparing them to desktop Evernote V6.

Refer to these hints to identify Electron apps: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42342048/how-do-i-determine-if-an-application-is-built-by-electron-or-not

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On a Mac AFAIK there are 2 options that meet your search conditions:

DEVONthink, which is mainly a local installation, with an optional cloud sync. For teams they have a Server install as well.

Apple Notes, that is mainly iCloud based, but offers a local „on device“ (= 1 device, no sync) option

Both have their own features, IMHO DEVONthink is what gets closest to EN, including tags, clipper, AI-based search etc. And they are around long enough to offer a stable environment. On the other hand, it is more „nerdy“ than EN. One should make a long, deep test run before moving.

On Windows, no idea.

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On 1/7/2021 at 5:43 AM, PinkElephant said:

On a Mac AFAIK there are 2 options that meet your search conditions:

DEVONthink, which is mainly a local installation, with an optional cloud sync. For teams they have a Server install as well.

Apple Notes, that is mainly iCloud based, but offers a local „on device“ (= 1 device, no sync) option

There's also Keep It for Mac and iOS. It's billed as "The Best Evernote Replacement App for Long-Term Research" by one reviewer:

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Don’t search a replacement. Define your use cases - just lean back and write down for what purposes you did use EN in the past. Think if you need anything in addition. Convert it into a table, and give it a rank from most important to low usage.

Then start the search.

It is never good just to want out of something. Then you are out, and still don’t know where to go. Direction and action comes from knowing where to go.

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On 1/5/2021 at 1:03 PM, Gnopps said:

For me Evernote legacy is currently the best alternative, with Nimbus Note a close second. I've cancelled my EN premium and will decide what to do when my subscription runs out in the summer.

I was preparing to head to Nimbus as I do like a lot of what I saw but beware, as of now they, do not offer a way to export more than one note at a time. At least, not from what I found.

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On 1/5/2021 at 8:38 AM, nonobio said:

Hi,

I use Evernote since a lot of years now and it is my most used app daily for both all my personal and professional stuff. I have about 25.000 notes and thousand of tags.

Before v10, i was quite happy with it, at least on Windows, but i had sometimes, and more and more often, slowdowns and lags.

On Android it was more complicated : the application was often slow and i had often synchronisation conflict with my desktop app. So i wasn't using it when i could avoid. For instance, when i had something to add to Evernote when i was on mobile, i used my Todo app (Microsoft) to quickly add my note, and then, i copied it to an Evernote note when i was on my desktop. But i used a lot the capture web function on Android.

Anyway, i was thinking that maybe i could take a look on an alternative.., but never really did. When Evernote increased theirs prices, i was ok with this because i thought it was necessary to help Evernote developement. I tried the free alternative OneNote but it missed on essential feature for me : tags ! Am i right ? There isn't tags on OneNote ?!

And now, v10 is here. I was excited to try it to see if all my issues could be gone...., but.. :( : i created a topic Just installed Evernote 10 : scared where i list some of essential features missing :

 

Since this message, i am waiting each new version to see if missing features or bug will be resolved. But i also often discover new missings :( .

And as if it wasn't enought, the new Evernote Android doesn't work anymore for me : i can't capture anymore ! I haven't all my notebooks synchronized and so it says "Loading" where i should choose the destination notebook. I can't use it anymore !

So : i have a v10 desktop version i can't use daily (i use legacy for the moment) and Android version that can't capture anymore.

Yes i should ask support for my issue on Android (maybe i will) but since last weeks, i have the feeling to not use a product but to help or work to devellop an unfinished product.

In my other post, some users tried to rassure me about v10 future, but i actually more than ever thinking to switch.

But is there really serious alternative ?

For my use, these are the important features i need :

  • A Windows application with ability to open notes in separate windows
  • An Android application : at least to be able to capture web content
  • Offline use
  • A Chrome extension to capture web content, and if possible with choice like : capture page, article, selection, etc.
  • Tags : i have some thousands of tags. I would like to be able to add one or more tags on notes and on web capture, search in all my tags, filter by tags (if possible with filter like the one in v6)
  • Reminders
  • Ability to add images to note, and it could be great to have option to compress images
  • Checkbox (like v6, with shortcut and not tranformed in checklist when i hit enter ! )
  • Internal links between notes
  • Keyboard shortcuts
  • Texte encryption
  • Drag and drop from browser URL
  • export or backup feature
  • and mostly : faster and more stable than Evernote if possible ! even on Android...
  • and i almost forgot : a way to import all my Evernote notes ! ;)

Does it exist or is Evernote always (even in v10) the best note application with theses features ?

Thanks :)

There are tags in any application with search. They are plaintext tags. Use any uncommon letter combination before your tag, and you’re all set.

e.g. qqAct for action, qqCar for cars, qqFollowUp, qqTax, qqUtilities etc. Then make a search for “qq” and get a list of all tagged records, or search for a particular tag. An added advantage is that these tags can be added both to the note title  and to the individual text lines. And they can be used across multiple apps - you can tag an email, a note, a spreadsheet, and find all records using Windows Search or Spotlight.

This way, you can use tags in any app or service, and they will be useful even after you move the data to another service.

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1 hour ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

There are tags in any application with search. They are plaintext tags. Use any uncommon letter combination before your tag, and you’re all set.

e.g. qqAct for action, qqCar for cars, qqFollowUp, qqTax, qqUtilities etc. Then make a search for “qq” and get a list of all tagged records, or search for a particular tag.

I prefer prefixing tagnames with a special character !?#....
Unfortunately Evernote drops special characters in the text search index

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5 hours ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

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There are tags in any application with search. They are plaintext tags. Use any uncommon letter combination before your tag, and you’re all set.

e.g. qqAct for action, qqCar for cars, qqFollowUp, qqTax, qqUtilities etc. Then make a search for “qq” and get a list of all tagged records, or search for a particular tag. An added advantage is that these tags can be added both to the note title  and to the individual text lines. And they can be used across multiple apps - you can tag an email, a note, a spreadsheet, and find all records using Windows Search or Spotlight.

This way, you can use tags in any app or service, and they will be useful even after you move the data to another service.

this is only one part of how to use tags: search by them. The big advantage of tags is to drill down your notes by selecting only those tags used by the current list of notes („tag browsing“). Therefore you need a special tag functionality incl. tag browser (or tag cloud) - just using plain text with special prefixes is not even close to it.

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Hi,

I agree with you @stocky2605, @Wanderling Reborn's tagging solution isn't a solution for me : explore by tags, tags suggestions when typing, incremental tag filter, etc.

About alternatives, i tested Notion which was the one offering the more features i need, but was missing these ones importants for me :

  • Text encryption with a note
  • No "text inside note" search on mobile

But more annoying : importing Evernote isn't working. I tried from the web app then the Windows app :( .

Also, on mobile, my RSS news app 'Palabre" says "not supported app" when i try to send content to Notion.

I think i can reply to myself by : "Yes, Evernote, even in v10 version is always the best note application", at least for my needs.

Maybve Notion is good but i can't start with import and send to issues. I prefer keep Evernote and help to fix issues on it.

I hope v10 will be better in next version and will fix issues and add missing functionnalilty from v6.

For now, i use the legacy version on Windows, and hope my Android v10 will be fixed.

Bye

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Tags are great, but they have a tendency to grow out of bounds. Near duplicates, homonyms & synonyms, typos etc. And then this great new area of interest, that collects dust after the tag was applied to only a few notes. Others are asking to be nested.

My experience is I need to clean out a little bit every few months to keep tags focussed. For this a tag management is necessary, not only the ability to write words behind an identifier. With the EN tag manager it does not take long to do the housekeeping job.

This makes tags more valuable in information retrieval.

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On 1/7/2021 at 5:47 AM, isthisme said:

3) Not written in Electron (like Evernote V10)

1 and 3, are because the sort of developers who use Electron (like Evernote V10), don't care for stability, or point releases. They want you on the "latest beta version" at all times, and expect to auto-update you to it. They don't care if your desktop experience limited by the limitations of web pages, and they will pull features whenever they feel like it. It's just easier for them to write a single app that works on desktop + mobile + web browser if they do this. Electron is a way of life to those people, the lowest common denominator where your app is a local webpage.

I don't think Electron is the problem. EN's rollout of v10 was a disaster, but there are well received Electron apps, such as Visual Studio Code. I'm using Joplin (also Electron as you note) and like it. For cross platform note apps, unless you are content to stay in Apple's walled garden, you will be hard pressed to avoid Electron. EN moved to Electron because they could see the writing on the wall. Maintaining disparate codebases for each platform while your competitors are using a unified codebase is a losing strategy.

I think the root of the problem is EN's approach to QA of their software. This has been an issue for many years, and their fast and loose approach really bit them with v10 and their move to Electron.

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Dear Evernote Team,

I never ever wrote a comment in any forum website in my entire life at what so ever topic. why should I? i mean if i don't like something i just move away. but because Evernote is not any software. its a life partner. now, becuase of the new desktop version of evernote v10 and the so many issues it brings. I had to stop my life a tiny bit and actually come here and see what is going on. and i guess i am not the only guy. Almost everyone is saying the same thing. its up to you to understand. this new version had tons of issues and missing features and oh god it is slow... I just couldn't believe that you want to throw your legacy to a trash. Anyways, your old evernote version 6.xx is just amazing, its epic. I am not quite sure what made you re-do it all over again. This new version is failing. it is not even close to a complete product and we are paying for it? not sure how that works in business but anyways... Guess what, it take a moment to move from a software to another. but we "the loyal" people for which we've been using your software for almost... damn i fogot but i am sure, maybe since it started, anyways, we, demand you, to stop missing around and do it right, fix this thing! because it is only a matter of a month or so we will be moving already to a new app and you will lose a lot.

By the way, I am having that feeling that i might lose my notes. Give me a reason to stay. because i want to. unless you don't want to. you have 1 last chance.

 

best regards,

Loyal 

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I rely heavily on the web clipper and search for my research and writing. EN legacy worked very well - in part because URL's would be visible when you first look at the note. 

I tried Notion and Zoho notes but they have not worked for me. Any recommendations (apart from staying with legacy)?

I am a Mac / ioS user.

Thanks.

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6 hours ago, RNRNRN said:

I rely heavily on the web clipper and search for my research and writing. EN legacy worked very well - in part because URL's would be visible when you first look at the note. 

I tried Notion and Zoho notes but they have not worked for me. Any recommendations (apart from staying with legacy)?

I am a Mac / ioS user.

Thanks.

you might want to look at devonthink...have moved over in october and am very happy...with all of it, their clipper included...other folks here have recommended keepit (mac) and joplin (mac & windows).

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Hi,

Thanks for the tips. I tested Joplin and it shows promise, but I agree with Vstk about clicks.

Then there was a new Evernote update a few weeks ago, so I gave it another shot, and the web link issue was finally fixed. It was working fine.

However, with the latest update, I notice now that the web clipper always goes to the inbox even when "Use smart filing" is the option chosen...

Sigh...

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I realize that this is not the Joplin forum, but too many clicks to clip a page? It takes exactly 3 clicks: 1) Joplin icon - 2) Clip "your choice" - 3) Confirm.

How many clicks does it take for an Evernote clip? I mean certainly there are reasons why you should or shouldn't use Joplin as a note taking app, but I can hardly imagine that clippling would be a show stopper...

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As primarily a note taker (not archiving all sorts of media, email or attachments), Joplin FTW.  I was a happy Evernote Legacy user, but wanted to try something else just in case.  After trying Notion, OneNote, Nimbus, Google Keep, Simplenote, I'm very satisfied with Joplin.  Close enough to EN Legacy functionality (including web clipper) that it looks and feels quite familiar, plus a host of cool things not found in EN Legacy continually being developed through plugins.  And the feature that made me leave EN Legacy: I can install it on all three of my main devices: PC, phone and Kindle Fire.  The personable and immediately responsive developers and community are also a big plus.

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7 hours ago, skim1124 said:

As primarily a note taker (not archiving all sorts of media, email or attachments), Joplin FTW.  I was a happy Evernote Legacy user, but wanted to try something else just in case.  After trying Notion, OneNote, Nimbus, Google Keep, Simplenote, I'm very satisfied with Joplin.  Close enough to EN Legacy functionality (including web clipper) that it looks and feels quite familiar, plus a host of cool things not found in EN Legacy continually being developed through plugins.  And the feature that made me leave EN Legacy: I can install it on all three of my main devices: PC, phone and Kindle Fire.  The personable and immediately responsive developers and community are also a big plus.

+1. Speaking of attachments, there is a plugin equivalent for EN's import folder. 

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1 hour ago, tavor said:

+1. Speaking of attachments, there is a plugin equivalent for EN's import folder. 

And speaking of plugins, the two most useful ones for me are Note Overview, which is a more powerful and useful way of doing EN saved searches, and Outline, which is a sidebar with TOC items as links to help you quickly see and navigate a long note.

I think the only productive EN Legacy feature that I miss is the ability to share/collaborate on notes.  Even though I didn't use it much, it was very useful when I did. 

So EN Legacy = a fantastic product even for basic subscribers.

Joplin = EN Legacy in most ways + it's being improved almost daily.

And again, I say that as primarily a note taker.

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9 minutes ago, skim1124 said:

And speaking of plugins, the two most useful ones for me are Note Overview, which is a more powerful and useful way of doing EN saved searches, and Outline, which is a sidebar with TOC items as links to help you quickly see and navigate a long note.

I think the only productive EN Legacy feature that I miss is the ability to share/collaborate on notes.  Even though I didn't use it much, it was very useful when I did. 

So EN Legacy = a fantastic product even for basic subscribers.

Joplin = EN Legacy in most ways + it's being improved almost daily.

And again, I say that as primarily a note taker.

How much does Joplin cost if you want online storage and synchronization with different devices?

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EN Legacy might be the best. The big advantage EN has is the web clipper and smart filing (at least until the very latest update, which is worrisome) - I use EN for it. Another strike against Joplin right now is you can't save web articles on the iPad (as best I can tell), and I work a lot on it.

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3 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

How much does Joplin cost if you want online storage and synchronization with different devices?

Joplin is open source, it costs nothing. So it's really what does online storage cost you? I have a free Dropbox account and sync Joplin using that. I also have a free Nextcloud account, and I could sync using that. So for me, it costs me nothing to have Joplin synced across 3 devices.

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3 minutes ago, tavor said:

Joplin is open source, it costs nothing. So it's really what does online storage cost you? I have a free Dropbox account and sync Joplin using that. I also have a free Nextcloud account, and I could sync using that. So for me, it costs me nothing to have Joplin synced across 3 devices.

mm, i'm not a fan of free online storage. Online storage costs money to provide. If you're not paying for it then something strange is going on. 

i'm not sure how dropbox works, does it push changes to all clients?

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4 hours ago, skim1124 said:

And speaking of plugins, the two most useful ones for me are Note Overview, which is a more powerful and useful way of doing EN saved searches, and Outline, which is a sidebar with TOC items as links to help you quickly see and navigate a long note.

I think the only productive EN Legacy feature that I miss is the ability to share/collaborate on notes.  Even though I didn't use it much, it was very useful when I did. 

So EN Legacy = a fantastic product even for basic subscribers.

Joplin = EN Legacy in most ways + it's being improved almost daily.

And again, I say that as primarily a note taker.

Yeah, Outline is a game changer. There's no going back to a note app that doesn't have some kind of outline feature (here's looking at you, Evernote). You must be a Mac user, because you didn't mention note tabs. EN Win users never had note tabs, so that's been huge for me on Joplin. Also the various note links plugins which make it very efficient to create note links and see all the backlinks.

Like you, my notes are primarily what I've written. And I agree, for someone whose notes are primarily content harvested from the web, Evernote is better because it's web clipper is still king of the hill.

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8 minutes ago, ehrt74 said:

mm, i'm not a fan of free online storage. Online storage costs money to provide. If you're not paying for it then something strange is going on. 

i'm not sure how dropbox works, does it push changes to all clients?

Well, like most cloud providers (including Evernote), I'm sure Dropbox is reading the data I store there. In the case of Joplin, they're reading gibberish because all my Joplin data is encrypted (zero knowledge encryption - built into Joplin). You could pay for online storage. Do any of these cloud services have terms of service that preclude them from reading your data if you're a paying customer? Can't imagine Google or any of the major players would hamstring themselves like that - in which case, you're paying *and* getting data mined.

When using Dropbox as the sync location for Joplin, you're not relying on Dropbox to do the sync (in fact, you can deselect the Joplin folder in Dropbox so that Dropbox does *not* sync it) - Joplin does the sync; so no, changes don't get pushed to the clients; the clients have to initiate the sync.

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5 hours ago, tavor said:

Yeah, Outline is a game changer. There's no going back to a note app that doesn't have some kind of outline feature (here's looking at you, Evernote). You must be a Mac user, because you didn't mention note tabs. EN Win users never had note tabs, so that's been huge for me on Joplin. Also the various note links plugins which make it very efficient to create note links and see all the backlinks.

Like you, my notes are primarily what I've written. And I agree, for someone whose notes are primarily content harvested from the web, Evernote is better because it's web clipper is still king of the hill.

No, I'm on Win 10.  I didn't mention note tabs (and favorites) which I also like and use extensively, because in EN Legacy the shortcuts performs basically the same function.  But Outline and Note Overview add a lot of value that EN Legacy doesn't have.

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On 1/5/2021 at 3:03 PM, Gnopps said:

Check out https://www.noteapps.info/ where you can filter on the features you'd like and find an appropriate app among the ones indexed.

For me Evernote legacy is currently the best alternative, with Nimbus Note a close second. I've cancelled my EN premium and will decide what to do when my subscription runs out in the summer.

But you cannot import pictures from Evernote in Nimbus

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11 minutes ago, skim1124 said:

No, I'm on Win 10.  I didn't mention note tabs (and favorites) which I also like and use extensively, because in EN Legacy the shortcuts performs basically the same function.  But Outline and Note Overview add a lot of value that EN Legacy doesn't have.

I see. You're using note tabs a bit differently than I am. I use the Favorites panel to store shortcuts to frequently accessed notes and saved searches (note overview notes). That frees up note tabs for current working notes. 

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1 hour ago, tavor said:

I see. You're using note tabs a bit differently than I am. I use the Favorites panel to store shortcuts to frequently accessed notes and saved searches (note overview notes). That frees up note tabs for current working notes. 

That's also basically how I use Tabs and Favorites.  In EN Legacy, I used shortcuts to have access to both frequently accessed notes and current working notes.

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10 hours ago, tavor said:

Well, like most cloud providers (including Evernote), I'm sure Dropbox is reading the data I store there. In the case of Joplin, they're reading gibberish because all my Joplin data is encrypted (zero knowledge encryption - built into Joplin). You could pay for online storage. Do any of these cloud services have terms of service that preclude them from reading your data if you're a paying customer? Can't imagine Google or any of the major players would hamstring themselves like that - in which case, you're paying *and* getting data mined.

When using Dropbox as the sync location for Joplin, you're not relying on Dropbox to do the sync (in fact, you can deselect the Joplin folder in Dropbox so that Dropbox does *not* sync it) - Joplin does the sync; so no, changes don't get pushed to the clients; the clients have to initiate the sync.

I'm not that bothered about privacy, or at least my problem with free cloud storage providers is orthogonal to my privacy concerns.

Let's take an example: IE6. Microsoft bundled IE6 as part of the Microsoft Tax (basically computer manufacturers had to pay for windows on every computer even if they didn't install it). This resulted in progress in web technologies stalling for about 10 years. Nobody could compete with "free". Firefox eventually managed to gain enough market share (ie6 only ran on windows and back in the day Microsoft was a really hated company) to force Microsoft to update ie6. But even now you often hear the view that "web apps aren't real apps" -- just look at the hatred directed at Electron in this forum. This comes directly from Microsoft's abuse of its monopoly position. 

Another example is WhatsApp. That costs Facebook hundreds of millions of dollars a year to run and it's offered to us for free. How can a start-up compete with that? 

if you aren't paying for something that costs its makers money then you are contributing to a culture of stagnation. 

Fortunately there is a way to pay for all of this using advertising -- Google gives independent web pages 100s of billions of dollars a year so they can keep running. Without Google there would be no internet. 

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On 1/11/2021 at 2:51 AM, Wanderling Reborn said:

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There are tags in any application with search. They are plaintext tags. Use any uncommon letter combination before your tag, and you’re all set.

e.g. qqAct for action, qqCar for cars, qqFollowUp, qqTax, qqUtilities etc. Then make a search for “qq” and get a list of all tagged records, or search for a particular tag. An added advantage is that these tags can be added both to the note title  and to the individual text lines. And they can be used across multiple apps - you can tag an email, a note, a spreadsheet, and find all records using Windows Search or Spotlight.

This way, you can use tags in any app or service, and they will be useful even after you move the data to another service.

this is exactly NOT how tags should be supported by an App - that‘s the reason why some people (those who rely on real tags) miss the legacy tag filter (gone in V10) - if they‘re just a bunch of ‚special‘ text blocks I would go without them.

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I wanted to post a new topic, but as I see this comes often, I'll add my opinion here.

I had problems with Evernote slow/buggy app on MacOS and iOS since a few years now, absolutely appalling and getting worse and worse. If you ask support, they say it's all jolly good for them.

So I took my time, and moved in 2 minutes to Bear. It's a million times faster with the same notes, it imports them all in a click from Evernote, it has tags to organise notes making it overall a much faster and straightforward app, AND it's cheaper and much better looking.

Sadly IMHO Evernote lost its plot in the last few years, attempting to add stuff instead of actually focusing on what it was, a notes taking app. Latest update on MacOS trying to poorly imitate Trello and similar is pathetic, making it even more heavy and basically unusable.

My two cents...Evernote is not anymore the best notes taking app, is the worst planner (Trello is much better and faster) and a bad/old/sluggish Notes app (try Bear and you'll be surprised how nice and streamlined it is).

I've been with Evernote for so many years, but ended up dreading the moment I needed to take a note, waiting forever to have them loaded, absolutely joking with saving times and offline management, and for this having duplicates when there was no need. And my whole notebook was just 24mb, hardly anything big, so much so that Bear imported it and managed it on all my devices in a split second.

I hope Evernote will find its way again...in the meantime, I'm finally enjoying quick notes taking across multiple devices and apps again with Bear.

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